[5:03pm] GaborHojtsy: hi
[5:03pm] Druplicon: salut
[5:03pm] GaborHojtsy: sorry for being late, ran some errands and traffic was bad
[5:03pm] GaborHojtsy: anybody here for the D8MI meeting?
[5:04pm] GaborHojtsy: no?
[5:04pm] rvilar: yes
[5:05pm] GaborHojtsy: ok, that makes me more comfortable
[5:05pm] GaborHojtsy: it would have been a very short meeting otherwise
[5:06pm] GaborHojtsy: so 1. what' new and what's current
[5:06pm] ClemensTolboom: yes
[5:06pm] ClemensTolboom: Hi all
[5:06pm] GaborHojtsy: I dismantled the META and META-META issues starting with http://drupal.org/node/1260534
[5:06pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1260534 => META-META: Make language support awesome in Drupal 8 => Drupal core, language system, normal, closed (duplicate), 33 comments, 14 IRC mentions
[5:07pm] GaborHojtsy: they were not well maintained (ie. with related issues) and all feedback I got was they are confusing and hard for non-techies to follow anything
[5:07pm] GaborHojtsy: plus I had issues following current tasks + pointing people to current stuff
[5:07pm] GaborHojtsy: so I built this tool instead: http://hojtsy.hu/d8mi
[5:07pm] ClemensTolboom: That is cool É but it needs an legenda É wtf are the colors
[5:07pm] GaborHojtsy: its a standard Drupal book with issue metadata for related stuff pulled in from d.o
[5:08pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: agreed
[5:08pm] ClemensTolboom: I likes the top prio page
[5:08pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: also probably better colors
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[5:08pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: for now: yellow = current priority, orange = critical, gray = major
[5:08pm] GaborHojtsy: gray is probably a poor choice
[5:09pm] GaborHojtsy: anyway so all this pulls data from d.o and just uses a local cache
[5:09pm] GaborHojtsy: so everything except the book structure to hold it together is on d.o
[5:09pm] GaborHojtsy: eg. the page ClemensTolboom referenced at http://hojtsy.hu/d8mi/current-top-priority-tasks links to the d.o list of the same issues
[5:09pm] GaborHojtsy: which has all the data but is differently visualized (much less useful for tracking progress IMHO)
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[5:10pm] GaborHojtsy: so I hope we can make good use of that
[5:10pm] ClemensTolboom: What can I do to help É reviews the patches?
[5:10pm] GaborHojtsy: webchick: hi! http://pastebin.com/mccc4hD2 for backscroll
[5:10pm] webchick: Thanks!
[5:11pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: for those that are not yet RTBC http://drupal.org/node/540294 needs reviews, yes, I think its very close
[5:11pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/540294 => Move node language settings from Locale to Node module => Drupal core, locale.module, normal, needs review, 36 comments, 4 IRC mentions
[5:11pm] ClemensTolboom: done that
[5:12pm] GaborHojtsy: http://drupal.org/node/1222106 is a larger discussion issue
[5:12pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1222106 => Unify language negotiation/selection/detection/provider hooks, APIs and functions => Drupal core, language system, normal, needs review, 23 comments, 1 IRC mention
[5:12pm] GaborHojtsy: in http://drupal.org/node/1250800 we just need to verify if this is the best way to test the functionality at hand (simpletest oddities there)
[5:12pm] ClemensTolboom: So participate on http://hojtsy.hu/d8mi/current-top-priority-tasks (needs review) É I'll try to do that
[5:12pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1250800 => Language domain should work regardless of ports or protocols => Drupal core, language system, critical, needs review, 72 comments, 12 IRC mentions
[5:13pm] rvilar: I'm with http://drupal.org/node/1416392 but there is some discussion about use of "scope"
[5:13pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1416392 => Clean up language (types) bootstrap function naming and documentation => Drupal core, language system, normal, needs work, 31 comments, 1 IRC mention
[5:13pm] GaborHojtsy: http://drupal.org/node/1357918 is waiting on a critical RTBC issue to be committed, since it touches the same code
[5:13pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1357918 => Missing update for language_default in language langcode update => Drupal core, language system, major, needs review, 67 comments, 8 IRC mentions
[5:13pm] GaborHojtsy: and http://drupal.org/node/1414314 need reviews, also pretty close IMHO
[5:13pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1414314 => Make node and path depend on language module only for language support, get rid of locale_language_name => Drupal core, language system, normal, needs review, 17 comments, 2 IRC mentions
[5:13pm] GaborHojtsy: rvilar: yes, we need to figure out what do we want to use there
[5:13pm] GaborHojtsy: sun is here, but plach is not unfortunately
[5:13pm] ClemensTolboom: he ..  no flooding
[5:14pm] ClemensTolboom: your scaring people
[5:14pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: those were all the issues
[5:14pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: mostly pretty close and needs reviews
[5:14pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: I can't give all of you one issue to look at unfortunately, so I need a few to keep you all busy
[5:15pm] GaborHojtsy: sun: any updated thinking on the scope vs. type question?
[5:16pm] ClemensTolboom: http://drupal.org/node/1222106 could really use an issue summary É it's now just spitting out options
[5:16pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1222106 => Unify language negotiation/selection/detection/provider hooks, APIs and functions => Drupal core, language system, normal, needs review, 23 comments, 2 IRC mentions
[5:17pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: in short it looks like a META issue to unify classes of functions in the language negotiation APIs
[5:18pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: ie. figure out the classes of functions, pull out their names, confirm their terminology is sound, unify their names
[5:18pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: one sub-issue is the scope/type issue mentioned above by rvilar
[5:18pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: its one section of the negotiation API family
[5:19pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: that generates your global $language, $language_content, etc. values
[5:20pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: that META issue is just about figuring out the bigger level things and then doing the changes themselves in "sub-issues", so I'm not sure it can be summarized as-is being an ongoing discussion
[5:21pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: maybe it would be best to just provide this as the issue summary, can you help with that?
[5:22pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: I see you are going through the current issues in http://hojtsy.hu/d8mi/current-top-priority-tasks, great
[5:22pm] GaborHojtsy: anybody have questions on any of those?
[5:22pm] ClemensTolboom: I'll try to contrib some time the next 4 days É hope patches apply
[5:24pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: haha
[5:25pm] rvilar: I'll stay tunned in the scope/type issue
[5:26pm] GaborHojtsy: rvilar: great, I think sun is busy with something else and we don't have plach here
[5:27pm] GaborHojtsy: rvilar: I've heard chx was not happy for "language type" but "language scope" would be a different new terminology as well
[5:27pm] GaborHojtsy: rvilar: even different to those who already understood language type in D7
[5:28pm] GaborHojtsy: anybody here would immediately identify a useful things in drupal with a "language scope" or a "language type" API? and if so what?
[5:30pm] rvilar: Excuse me, but I've to leave the meeting
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[5:31pm] GaborHojtsy: rvilar: ok, thanks for being here
[5:31pm] rvilar:
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[5:32pm] GaborHojtsy: so the larger picture right now is that (a) we are moving language support code from locale module to the respective modules (comment, path, node) and (b) setting up a pattern with a language API that can support them, so => we can move on to add language support to other entity types like taxonomy and files
[5:33pm] GaborHojtsy: and in parallel, we are (c) cleaning up the language negotiation API in preparation of => moving it in with the language module, leaving locale module to UI translation (and still a tiny bit of config translation with date formats for now) only
[5:34pm] GaborHojtsy: and finally also in parallel (d) we are updating schemas and APIs to use langcode for DX so when we do the moves after (a) and (b) to add language to new entities, we use the standard understandable schema
[5:34pm] GaborHojtsy: in other words, we mostly do prepwork ATM, but the good cool stuff is not far
[5:35pm] ClemensTolboom: GaborHojtsy: I just update http://drupal.org/node/1222106 É shall I copy/paste your last lines in it too?
[5:35pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1222106 => Unify language negotiation/selection/detection/provider hooks, APIs and functions => Drupal core, language system, normal, needs review, 23 comments, 3 IRC mentions
[5:35pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: however you see fit, sure
[5:35pm] ClemensTolboom: It helps me at least
[5:40pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: great, thanks
[5:41pm] GaborHojtsy: one more concrete thing from me: I have free tickets for Drupalcon Denver (including the party!) for those who help out with the initiative and want to attend Drupalcon and sprint with us at the end (and hopefully even stay around for an extended sprint because we are sprinting for 2 more days after Drupalcon on D8MI)
[5:42pm] GaborHojtsy: I have a few people who expressed interests and looking for names so I can decide soon (ie. people need to book flights, hotel, etc)
[5:42pm] GaborHojtsy: anyone here feeling like signing up for a focused D8MI sprint and get a free Drupalcon ticket?
[5:43pm] ClemensTolboom: GaborHojtsy: I'd love to but É no budget for the stay
[5:44pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: yeah, I can't help much with flights and hotels
[5:44pm] sutha: GaborHojtsy: it is tempting, but I have to choose between Denver and Barcelona
[5:44pm] ClemensTolboom: I'll be online I hope É and the sprint @ Munich
[5:44pm] sutha: GaborHojtsy: and Barca in June ...
[5:45pm] brantwynn: GaborHojtsy: if i can convince my company to fly me out/put me up (which its looking like they might anyway) i would like to help
[5:45pm] ClemensTolboom: Barca is maybe better for me too É sutha you have a link?
[5:45pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: http://barcelona2012.drupaldays.org/
[5:45pm] ClemensTolboom: tnx
[5:46pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: http://groups.drupal.org/node/203523 for a sprints overview
[5:46pm] Druplicon: http://groups.drupal.org/node/203523 => In-person sprints planned for the Drupal 8 Multilingual Initiative in 2012 => 17 comments, 5 IRC mentions
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[5:46pm] GaborHojtsy: I also do a sprint in 2.5 weeks in Budapest, and we'll be online all days (CET timezone)
[5:46pm] GaborHojtsy: all day that is
[5:47pm] GaborHojtsy: brantwynn: great, can you either respond to my tweet at https://twitter.com/gaborhojtsy/status/164730655152947200 or write me an email?
[5:48pm] GaborHojtsy: brantwynn: that would make it easier to keep track of people who expressed interest
[5:48pm] brantwynn: np
[5:48pm] GaborHojtsy: sutha: I think Barcelona will be much more effective, ie. more sprint days, before the event, so we'll not be tired that much, etc
[5:49pm] brantwynn: GaborHojtsy: tweeted you
[5:50pm] GaborHojtsy: sutha: but if you *want* to go to Denver, I'd not want to discourage you
[5:51pm] GaborHojtsy: brantwynn: sure, thanks
[5:51pm] sutha: GaborHojtsy: thanks for not discouraging me
[5:51pm] GaborHojtsy: sutha:
[5:53pm] ClemensTolboom: GaborHojtsy: could you add time tables to http://groups.drupal.org/node/203523
[5:53pm] Druplicon: http://groups.drupal.org/node/203523 => In-person sprints planned for the Drupal 8 Multilingual Initiative in 2012 => 17 comments, 6 IRC mentions
[5:53pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: you mean submit them as actual g.d.o events?
[5:54pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: I posted that 2 weeks ago when the times were not sure and I wanted overall feedback, but looks like it would be time to post the actual events too, yup
[5:55pm] ClemensTolboom: I put all dates into my schedule É now hope to schedule free time for those weekdays
[5:56pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: cool
[5:56pm] brantwynn: GaborHojtsy: just found out Promet have a ticket for me
[5:56pm] GaborHojtsy: brantwynn: great, very good
[5:56pm] brantwynn: so if someone else needs it, i will still be participating in the spyint but don't need ticket
[5:57pm] brantwynn: *sprint
[5:58pm] GaborHojtsy: ok, so that is all I had for today, any other questions, suggestions?
[5:58pm] GaborHojtsy: I'll post the meeting log, so people can look back at my link flood and read the notes
[6:00pm] ¥ ClemensTolboom keeps silent
[6:00pm] ClemensTolboom: GaborHojtsy: tnx
[6:03pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: thank you!
[6:03pm] GaborHojtsy: ok, that was it then!