[6:02pm] GaborHojtsy: so welcome everybody!
[6:02pm] GaborHojtsy: first off: great that we had some rest in the past two weeks
[6:02pm] GaborHojtsy: second: let's get rolling forward
[6:03pm] GaborHojtsy: I want to cover these topics: 1. Barcelona funding 2. current issues
[6:03pm] GaborHojtsy: I don't have any other topics
[6:03pm] ClemensTolboom: agreed
[6:04pm] penyaskito: GaborHojtsy, a "3. New people: how to get involved quickly". Just some pointers
[6:04pm] Druplicon: penyaskito: 8 hours 16 min ago <juampy> tell penyaskito si todavía estuviese esperándoles a que me respondan me habría perdido el DDay. Símplemente ignoraron mi correo de reserva y a los 5 días, cuando les pregunté acerca del mismo, me dijeron que se lo reenviase de nuevo. #fail
[6:04pm] GaborHojtsy: 1. YAY! We got some considerable funding for the Barcelona sprint for the last two days
[6:04pm] GaborHojtsy: funding = we'll be able to buy soft drinks and snacks for all days
[6:05pm] GaborHojtsy: so you can feel free to code all day
[6:05pm] GaborHojtsy: I'm still looking for more sponsors so we can maybe cover a lunch or dinner or two
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[6:05pm] erno: is there a kitchen or something liek that?
[6:05pm] GaborHojtsy: I've been promised a fridge so far
[6:05pm] penyaskito: GaborHojtsy, erno If I remember the place, the fridge is there and maybe a microoven
[6:06pm] GaborHojtsy: last I've been to the place was in 2007  but if we have any practical questions, I can ask Pedro about them
[6:06pm] penyaskito: rvilar can be sure about that too
[6:06pm] ClemensTolboom: what days you are talking about :13-14 june?
[6:06pm] GaborHojtsy: right rvilar is working right there I believe
[6:06pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: 11-15
[6:06pm] rvilar: Hi
[6:06pm] Druplicon: que tal
[6:06pm] rvilar: Yes
[6:07pm] GaborHojtsy: we have very strong signups so far: http://www.doodle.com/ykpruxdnmrt8wvc6
[6:07pm] rvilar: There is a little kitchen with microwave
[6:07pm] rvilar: My company is located right there, in the Citilab
[6:07pm] • GaborHojtsy edited the ones who marked online/remote to lead with [remote]
[6:08pm] GaborHojtsy: rvilar: so looks like we'll use a few of the "round cubicles"
[6:08pm] GaborHojtsy: we have 2 meetings before the sprint, so I just wanted to share the good news
[6:08pm] GaborHojtsy: and that we are still looking for more sponsors!
[6:09pm] erno: is most of you staying in same hotel or..?
[6:09pm] GaborHojtsy: I know kalmanhosszu is looking for help in accommodation - local couch surfing opportunities anyone? rvilar?
[6:09pm] rvilar: GaborHojtsy: Yes, we'll use this and we have Ymbra's office in front to use anything
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[6:09pm] GaborHojtsy: rvilar: perfect
[6:10pm] GaborHojtsy: so I don't have any possibility to help cover travel or accommodation for people
[6:10pm] rvilar: GaborHojtsy: What do you need?
[6:11pm] GaborHojtsy: I'm personally sharing a room in the NH already http://www.nh-hotels.com/nh/en/hotels/spain/barcelona/nh-cornella.html to cut costs
[6:11pm] GaborHojtsy: rvilar: a couch for kalmanhosszu to sleep
[6:12pm] GaborHojtsy: if we want more coordination, we can set up a google group or something to discuss accommodation details if that is helpful
[6:12pm] rvilar: GaborHojtsy: In citilab there is a very confortable couch
[6:12pm] GaborHojtsy: rvilar: not sure they want someone to sleep there all week (at nights
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[6:13pm] rvilar: Seriously, we are asking in the catalan drupal community if there is any volunteer that can accomodate some drupalistas
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[6:15pm] GaborHojtsy: rvilar: Pedro attempted this one: http://drupal.cat/2012/04/27/voluntaris-per-a-drupal-developer-days-barcelona
[6:15pm] GaborHojtsy: rvilar: it did not yet get to results, so any more help is appreciated
[6:16pm] GaborHojtsy: also, if anybody knows of people sitting on some money to contribute.... don't hesitate to tell me  thanks!
[6:16pm] GaborHojtsy: that's that
[6:16pm] GaborHojtsy: 2. current issues
[6:17pm] GaborHojtsy: I've seen Clemens attempted to port the gettext patch upwards to Symfony, so we don't need to ignore their code and use our own
[6:17pm] GaborHojtsy: http://drupal.org/node/1189184 to https://github.com/symfony/symfony/pull/4235#issuecomment-5600470, but.... see this comment on the link and the resulting discussion
[6:17pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1189184 => Make gettext .po generation its own abstracted functionality => Drupal core, locale.module, normal, needs work, 102 comments, 40 IRC mentions
[6:19pm] ClemensTolboom: Yeah … that was a little 'bummer'
[6:19pm] GaborHojtsy: yah
[6:19pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: congrats on working the tech out though
[6:19pm] ClemensTolboom: I'd like to get some feedback on the architectural design of the drupal issue
[6:20pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: so looks like we want to continue with our own approach, right
[6:20pm] ClemensTolboom: GaborHojtsy: tnx … It was a nice excersice
[6:20pm] ClemensTolboom: GaborHojtsy: yeah … although I'm tempted (as I'm grateful to the symfony people) to write my own parser for symfony
[6:21pm] ClemensTolboom: It was worth the try as I can now make our code cleaner thus reducing the class #
[6:22pm] • ClemensTolboom fears silence
[6:23pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: yeah
[6:23pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: well, I think we are already on a high meta level on the gettext issue
[6:23pm] ClemensTolboom: Anyway … I'll continue tomorrow and the weekend on the patch … refactor and get rid of some @todo's
[6:23pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: so if we abandon that for writing a native symfony parser from scratch
[6:23pm] • ClemensTolboom want to make sun happy
[6:23pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: you could be occupied with that for pretty looooooong
[6:24pm] ClemensTolboom: forget symfony for now … drupal rules … yay
[6:24pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: it does not mean any risk for D8MI since we don't really require anything here expect batch reading
[6:24pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: but I'd love if you are not taken on this for months, because you'll get pretty bored
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[6:25pm] ClemensTolboom: hehe … I'd like to get occupied by code so no prob bro
[6:25pm] sun: this memory hog protection only exists, because we're mixing + merging all .po files for a distro into a single one, no?
[6:25pm] GaborHojtsy: sun: yes
[6:25pm] GaborHojtsy: sun: we could also write a stream wrapper to use on the front of the symfony parser
[6:26pm] GaborHojtsy: sun: that would support seeked reading and parsing
[6:26pm] ClemensTolboom: GaborHojtsy: we do have seeking now in the patch. So what do you mean?
[6:27pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: yeah, I think we were looking for outsourcing our job to some degree
[6:27pm] ClemensTolboom: symfony does a read of the configured resource at once … there is no stopping in it right now.
[6:28pm] ClemensTolboom: "$catalogue = $loader->load($resource, 'en', 'domain1');"
[6:30pm] ClemensTolboom: What we could do is split the large file into pieces and use batch to read the pieces again
[6:30pm] ClemensTolboom: But I'm puzzled still about symfony caching mechanisme
[6:31pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: yeah, I meant writing a StreamWrapper that makes it available as if it is multiple files
[6:33pm] ClemensTolboom: Interesting … but "$stream = fopen($resource, 'r');" is what symfony does
[6:34pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: fopen would support custom stream wrappers I believe
[6:34pm] ClemensTolboom: Hmmm …. I think I get it …
[6:34pm] GaborHojtsy: http://hu2.php.net/manual/en/wrappers.php
[6:34pm] GaborHojtsy: so IF we want to, we could make it look like more smaller files for the symfony parser
[6:34pm] ClemensTolboom: We write our own streamwrapper which is batch aware
[6:34pm] GaborHojtsy: if that is our only feature gap
[6:34pm] GaborHojtsy: yup
[6:35pm] ClemensTolboom: GaborHojtsy: nice thought
[6:35pm] ClemensTolboom: GaborHojtsy++
[6:36pm] ClemensTolboom: It is not our only feature gap … do we need the po header?
[6:36pm] GaborHojtsy: sun: any thoughts on that?
[6:36pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: the plurals yes
[6:36pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: I think you wanted to provide a generic API so those can be queried
[6:36pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: but drupal does not use them at all
[6:37pm] ClemensTolboom: symfony has a function for plural handling right … drupal uses a 'per header defined' version … I like the symfony solution more
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[6:40pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: if we can assume a fixed set of plural forms right?
[6:41pm] ClemensTolboom: Ok .. I'll try that StreamWrapper idea with a batch interface and add the Translation component to the plate
[6:41pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: thanks!
[6:41pm] GaborHojtsy: let's make sure we cover our other two big issues as well, http://drupal.org/node/1498634 and http://drupal.org/node/1448330
[6:41pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1498634 => [meta] Introduce entity translation schema definitions for core entities (no patch) => Drupal core, entity system, normal, needs review, 52 comments, 9 IRC mentions
[6:41pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1448330 => Implement internationalization of configuration [no patch] => Drupal core, configuration system, critical, needs review, 29 comments, 10 IRC mentions
[6:41pm] GaborHojtsy: the entity property one seems to be stuck in indecision with the config one stuck in misunderstanding / scope creep(?)
[6:41pm] ClemensTolboom: GaborHojtsy: with fixed you mean "It needs a core patch to add new plural forms" then "Yeah"
[6:42pm] GaborHojtsy: both are pretty vital to achieve anything with entity or config language support in D8
[6:42pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: yes
[6:42pm] ClemensTolboom: ok
[6:42pm] ClemensTolboom: I'm not sure why both issues have some 'meta' on them … wtf is a [no patch]
[6:43pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: we should at least look at the l.d.o plural formulas first and compare how symfony got their stuff right or not
[6:43pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: meta is where you can discuss forever
[6:43pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: no patch means it can be needs review without there being a patch
[6:43pm] ClemensTolboom: ic … and tnx
[6:44pm] GaborHojtsy: so in both cases, they are VERY fundamental to D8MI
[6:44pm] GaborHojtsy: both are "big" questions that people (I think) are afraid to boldly answer and pick a road to go with
[6:44pm] • ClemensTolboom boldly goes where nobpdy ....
[6:44pm] GaborHojtsy: so all we get to is no solution and the possibility of having UIs for them mostly lost if we are not moving really faster there
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[6:45pm] GaborHojtsy: so bold and thoughtful feedback would be vital on both issues
[6:45pm] GaborHojtsy: berdir sun, Schnitzel ^
[6:46pm] ClemensTolboom: I'll try to review other issues too  … although symfony - gettext was a stretching one
[6:46pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: yeah
[6:46pm] ClemensTolboom: licenses … doh
[6:46pm] GaborHojtsy: 3. beginner issues, since penyaskito asked for it
[6:46pm] GaborHojtsy:  erno is working on http://drupal.org/node/1561004 which would be a great review issue for "beginners"
[6:46pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1561004 => Many tests still reference locale although they only need language module => Drupal core, language system, normal, active, 0 comments, 2 IRC mentions
[6:47pm] GaborHojtsy: I'm sure weal could use review feedback on //drupal.org/node/1156576 and http://drupal.org/node/1232120
[6:47pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1232120 => Improve documentation of field multiple language system => Drupal core, documentation, major, needs work, 66 comments, 14 IRC mentions
[6:47pm] GaborHojtsy: http://drupal.org/node/1156576
[6:47pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1156576 => Language negotiation is undocumented => Drupal core, documentation, normal, needs work, 59 comments, 9 IRC mentions
[6:47pm] erno: Yep. I know I was supposed to be ready by know, but something happened to my old HP and I decided to get a new one
[6:48pm] GaborHojtsy: the docs ones are in the sprint queue for quite long, and it would be lovely to get over them
[6:48pm] erno: ready by now*
[6:48pm] GaborHojtsy: also http://drupal.org/node/1452188 and http://drupal.org/node/1471432 would be good for relatively intermediates
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[6:48pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1452188 => New UI for string translation => Drupal core, locale.module, normal, needs work, 128 comments, 33 IRC mentions
[6:48pm] GaborHojtsy: the new UI one needs some fiddling, but Sutharsan keeps it up to date with reviews so far as I've seen
[6:49pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1471432 => Rework language_list(), let people use more special languages => Drupal core, language system, normal, needs work, 63 comments, 19 IRC mentions
[6:51pm] erno: If some of you is using MAC while developing I'd like to change a few words after the meeting is done
[6:51pm] GaborHojtsy: Artusamak: are you working on http://drupal.org/node/258785 still?
[6:51pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/258785 => Provide more flexible settings for initial language on content types => Drupal core, language system, normal, needs work, 142 comments, 24 IRC mentions
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[6:52pm] ClemensTolboom: erno: ok
[6:52pm] • GaborHojtsy using a mac but will need to run right after this meeting
[6:52pm] GaborHojtsy: so I think we reviewed all the issues that we have, right?
[6:53pm] ClemensTolboom: GaborHojtsy: http://drupal.org/node/1471432 is about custom plural forms I guess
[6:53pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1471432 => Rework language_list(), let people use more special languages => Drupal core, language system, normal, needs work, 63 comments, 20 IRC mentions
[6:53pm] penyaskito: GaborHojtsy, thanks for the pointers for novices
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[6:54pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: uhm, hum, no
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[6:54pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: its adding a locked language property like locked node types
[6:54pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: and adds the special languages to the DB like that, so they can be joined with, assigned, etc. like other languages
[6:55pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: instead of one-off hacks to add them to some language lists
[6:55pm] ClemensTolboom: so no klingon or borg languages>
[6:55pm] ClemensTolboom: ?
[6:56pm] penyaskito: klingon is allowed, but not a locked one
[6:57pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: no, the locked languages would be basically special ones you cannot delete
[6:57pm] ClemensTolboom: penyaskito: but our UI is not telling us its plural form
[6:58pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: chx thought the same thing (that we should hardcode a set of plurals implemented)
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[6:58pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: then I pointed him to this problem that it hardcodes the list of possible plural formulas
[6:58pm] GaborHojtsy: ClemensTolboom: so he made up http://drupal.org/node/1273968
[6:58pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1273968 => locale.module uses eval => Drupal core, language system, normal, needs review, 8 comments, 8 IRC mentions
[6:58pm] ClemensTolboom: penyaskito: see ie https://github.com/symfony/symfony/blob/master/src/Symfony/Component/Translation/PluralizationRules.php
[7:00pm] GaborHojtsy: unfortunately this time I don't have time to be around for longer
[7:01pm] ClemensTolboom: GaborHojtsy: run  … tnx again for your time
[7:01pm] penyaskito: ClemensTolboom, I see...
[7:01pm] penyaskito: GaborHojtsy, thanks!
[7:02pm] GaborHojtsy: thanks a lot for all your work guys, its highly appreciated
[7:03pm] penyaskito: I have to run too, the parking bill is getting bigger every minute
[7:03pm] penyaskito: thxbye
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