Ryan Cross 12:16 i was going to ask you just quickly about some drupalcon stuff - other people in the community are reviving the idea of a drupalcon in this part of the world (either AU or china). Has the association thought about this any more? Jacob Redding 12:17 yes.. there has been some thought put into it there is also a big push for South America Ryan Cross 12:17 last time we went through this, i got the feeling there was some hestitation from the association since there wasn't a clear way to organize 3 annual drupalcons without too much conflict Jacob Redding 12:17 but yes.. Europe, North America, Asia-pacific, and South America are all under consideration Ryan Cross 12:17 yea, i can imagien Jacob Redding 12:17 its not the issue of organization its the issue of marketing and expectation when people see "Drupalcon" they expect a certain level of a conference Ryan Cross 12:18 is anyone else actively pushing an asia-pacific one? how can I help? Jacob Redding 12:18 for example they expect to see Dries they expect to meet with core developers Ryan Cross 12:18 yea, i definitely understand that and have been expressing that other people Jacob Redding 12:19 so its how do we continue to meet that expectation and keep this a Drupalcon without diluting the concept of it Ryan Cross 12:19 but i think there is also different expectations from different regions - i think people already think about n. america and europe having different size and also different attendees to some extent, no? it kind of sounds like a stalemate though, since so much hinges on the concept of dries attending and/or significant numbers of core developers - and they are already quite busy with the 2 other drupalcons Jacob Redding 12:21 that's the point we've already been getting feedback that Europe and North America are too close togeher so if 2 are too close together 3 or 4 is going to be impossible Ryan Cross 12:22 so, i guess the question then is whether anyone is working on breaking that stalemate? Jacob Redding 12:22 and then we dilute the concept of what a Drupalcon is Ryan Cross 12:22 maybe that's the way to go? Jacob Redding 12:22 heh e.. no sorry I respectfully disagree dilluting the Drupalcon image, concept and brand would be a huge mistake in my opinion One idea is to take a concept from TED talks Ryan Cross 12:23 i'm not pushing for one way or the other - but i'm obviously keen to see something change to allow us to get something bigger happening here Jacob Redding 12:23 they recently expanded outside of the U.S but the conferences that are held outside of the U.S Ryan Cross 12:23 yes, i'm quite aware of the TED conferences Jacob Redding 12:23 are called TEDxTalks in the U.S its TED talks Ryan Cross 12:24 there is also a very significant amount of exclusivity to TED as well, which i don't think really suits teh drupal community Jacob Redding 12:24 http://www.tedxshanghai.com/ Ryan: what I don't understand is why this has to be called a Drupalcon? In Brazil they organized a 400 person conference without calling it a Drupalcon. Same in Peru (300 peopl) we did 150 in Shanghai Ryan Cross 12:25 i am also much wiser about that point as well - and is something i'm advising the people interested in this concept about Jacob Redding 12:25 the point of calling it a Drupalcon is to set the expectation of certain key people showing up, its not about attendance numbers Ryan Cross 12:26 we've been running a few drupal "camps" here and they have been successful but there is a strong push for a "drupalcon" Jacob Redding 12:26 In the Association we're starting to push and help people run bigger camps.. because they are in demand Ryan Cross 12:26 and i think that expectation is what the community here is hoping to achieve Jacob Redding 12:26 Fully understood but think about it from the attendees side Ryan Cross 12:27 i'm honestly not trying ot push things here - i think i made that mistake last time - i just want to get more insight into how the association is directing itself on this matter Jacob Redding 12:27 these people live in different parts of the world and have to travel to attend these conferences we want to do this Ryan Cross 12:27 i'm also just communicating what the other community members are telling me they want Jacob Redding 12:27 but we want to keep that expectation and not burn out the community in traveling around the world I understand.. and I'm trying to work to some compromise that works for everyone.. like I said you aren't the only one asking and nobody is saying "no" what we're looking for is a sustainable solution Ryan Cross 12:28 it would seem like there is also value is loosening the expectation that every core developer will be at every drupalcon Jacob Redding 12:29 I don't agree with that assessment I think that is the reason for Drupalcon Ryan Cross 12:29 yea, that's true - i understand the point of that as well especially for sprints and such Jacob Redding 12:29 ya.. a lot of work gets done at Drupalcon and people expect to meet the maintainers of modules, core developers, the major Drupal companies etc. Ryan Cross 12:30 it almost sounds like there needs to be a 3rd tier of conferences almost like an international once yearly DrupalSummit, multiple annual regional DrupalCons and more frequent/local drupalcamps Jacob Redding 12:32 and that's a very good idea without that name its an idea that has been tossed around we're all trying to find something in between the expectation of a Drupalcon and the expectation of a Drupalcamp Drupalcon = meet worldwide developers Drupalcamp = meet local developers Drupal?? = mixed Ryan Cross 12:34 fwiw - i think the term, DrupalCon (drupal + conference) from someone who isn't intimate with the community is probably somethign people expect at that inbetween... mostly just based of people expectations of other professional "conferences" but i know there is already some branding that people feel a drupalcon has Jacob Redding 12:35 I think this is a good discussion and something that should be brought up would you mind type (copying/pasting) these into a posting at groups.drupal.org/drupal-camp Ryan Cross 12:35 sure Jacob Redding 12:35 because I want to get Cary Gordon involved as well as Greg Knaddison there are some big changes slated for Drupalcon 2010 and having this feedback would be important