Our church is going to re-do their web site and I sold them on doing it with Drupal, so I am now charged with the task of making it happen :)
I thought I'd create a discussion on g.d.o. that would document my process in a way that might help others as I go along.
I know Drupal already, but I haven't tried to organize a church site before, so I started by looking at the way the current site works and the staff's ideas for how they would like to change it, then looked at a bunch of other church sites (Drupal or not) to try to see how they were organized and what kind of features they offered.
One thing I'm playing with is to create a distribution that will work for us, but try to do it in a generic enough way that it could be used by other churches as at least a jumping off point for a basic church web site. If that works, I'll create and post a distribution from what I end up with. If it doesn't I will at least have posted information that others can use when building their own sites.
So here goes:
Site Organization
I see several ways to cut through the site information:
- By Audience: Visitors, Children, Youth, Adults, Staff
- By Ministry/Program: Worship, Music, Education, Small groups, Outreach, Camps
- By Group: A long list of individual groups, committees, classes, etc.
- By Date: Practically everything I see is date-related, so lots of calendars that can be filtered by audience, ministry, and group.
My initial reaction is to create a vocabulary for Audience and Ministry and use OG for the groups and a CCK date field for the date. Then each node could be assigned to an audience, ministry, date, and group.
I am thinking that my Audience terms will be used as the primary links at the top of the page and my Ministry terms will be used as the secondary links. There are relatively few audience links, so they could work well as tabs at the top of the page. There could be lots of ministry links, maybe too many to work as tabs, so they will probably go in the sidebar. Each Audience term and Ministry term will need its own custom landing page.
I'm still debating whether or not to use taxonomy for audience and ministry. The alternatives would be to create custom CCK fields for those values or maybe make them into additional OG groups. It's not immediately obvious which will be better.
Modules
The initial list of contrib modules is:
- Views and CCK and all the core CCK modules
- Date, Calendar, and Signup for event handling and event reminders
- Emfield so we can post images and podcasts on YouTube or Flickr or whereever to reduce the amount of disk storage we'll need
- Filefield and Imagefield for those files and images that need to be hosted locally
- Organic groups (will include the ability to create group calendars)
- Token and Pathauto to create SEO-friendly (and user-friendly) urls
I'll need other things, but that will get me started. I'll post more, including screen shots and exports of my content types and views, as I go along.
I'm doing this in D6, since that's the only logical version to use for a new site, but there are still bugs in the D6 version of many of the modules I need, so I'm posting patches to them as I go along.
More to come!
Comments
Installation Profile
I spent a few hours yesterday playing around with installation profiles yesterday in which I included views and content type exports. I have a similar approach and am interested in working towards this same goal. I believe others are also.
Anyway, here's a blog entry that includes what I've done so far: http://josiahritchie.com/blog/church-drupal-installation-profile
Site User Base
Karen,
Welcome to the church website conversation. I like that you are documenting what you're going through. A lot of people could benefit from this. Thanks.
Do you have a tech savvy congregation? Are there more than a couple people that read blogs or do newsletters? If you have a monthly, quarterly, or other church newsletter you might want to offer that up as a mail list.
If there is a web using crowd you might want to throw out the idea of a church blog. Something a handful people people blog to about what's going on in the community, etc. Make this available by email and people who don't use RSS can easily get this, too. I use feedburners email feature for this.
When it comes to using OG my gut says to go with different node types for the different groups. Then you can theme them differently with different .tpl.php files and you can have a different selection of CCK fields on them.
Does your church record sermons or bible classes? This may be an opportunity to put them online. If you do that you can use the audio module or a combo of filefield, ffpc, swf tools to put them on a site. I've started using the latter. This can be good for people who miss a service or class and for those who are unable to leave their home.
Matt Farina
www.innovatingtomorrow.net
www.geeksandgod.com
www.superaveragepodcast.com
www.mattfarina.com
We have tech-savvy members
We have tech-savvy members and new young tech-savvy ministers who are really gung-ho about this project.
We have an email newsletter that I want to incorporate. Probably using simplenews?? I haven't used that but would love to hear how well that works.
We currently record sermons and make them available as audio and .doc files and have been putting podcasts on YouTube (the reason I need emfield). It's nice to have them hosted somewhere else so we don't have to worry about storage, so that's why I like emfield. I got that much working using emfield and filefield and it works great.
There is a big push to get more young people involved, so we definitely want to create tools that will appeal to them, whatever those might be. Nobody's blogging now, but I like the idea. The leaders are worried about letting people 'pollute' the website, so I need to work around that concern. I think when I show them the extent of all the permission control and assure them that no one will be able to touch the 'official' pages they will feel better about that.
Still debating with myself about OG. I kind of like the idea of creating a 'home' for each of our small groups and committees, and with OG it's easy for group leaders to send out messages just to the members of their groups and we can do group calendars, but OG has a lot of overhead too.
I've got a very rough site created to show them in a meeting this afternoon. I'll post some screenshots of the current status and the reactions from the first meeting after that.
User Context Aware
An option to keep the clutter down is to keep the 'clutter' type things on a sub-domain (e.g., community.mysupersweetswesomechurch.org), put it at an internal path (e.g., /community), or only show it to logged in users. I'm a fan of one of the first 2 options here.
The clutter and official response of the church are common concerns. They want to know they still have control of the site. My church solved this by putting anything ministries, groups, or users can post on a sub-domain. This separated if from the 'official' content.
We, also, had to reassure them that it was ok for users to post stuff to a church site. To trust the users... err members (better word). Over time they learned that this wasn't an issue.
If they are looking for reassurance on this type of thing there is a conference this coming February for ministry leaders that will cover this exact type of thing. Details are at http://geeksandgod.com/conference (disclaimer: I'm one of the conference speakers.)
Though, there was a pitfall. The initial design of the community site at my church was laid out like a number of other successful community sites. But, it wasn't utilized effectively and the strategy was to build to where we hoped users would be in 2 years. This proved to be an unsuccessful experiment. We are working on a redesign to better meet the needs of the congregation. This made putting it on a sub-domain worth wild.
Matt Farina
www.innovatingtomorrow.net
www.geeksandgod.com
www.superaveragepodcast.com
www.mattfarina.com
A bit more than a Non-tech (Low-tech?)
Hi Karen, thought you may be able to provide some guidance for us.
Not sure if this is the proper place for this message, but hey, got to start somewhere. Trying to figure out how to reach more of you educated guys and gals.
First, have a tremendous amount of respect for all you in the high-tech field.
The LORD blessed us with a really awesome and talented high-tech individual, however he's back to his studies at Purdue U. until spring. He put together a drupal site with civicrm modules for us at www.generousbibles.org . Just need to get it where it needs to be. Slowly adding content from a bunch of info on computers and paper, (i know you’re thinking huh, what, paper)
If sharing the Gospel, with those in need, gets you excited. Please go to our website, then if you are able to visualize what we are doing and where we need to go with this, online, please let me know, Thanks!
In faith,
Dean
Ps. Moody radio wants to put us on the air, ASAP, so time is of the essence.
I am, sadly, already up to
I am, sadly, already up to my eyeballs in work. Maybe someone else who sees this can help, though. Feel free to contact me privately using my contact form if you want to talk more, but I'm not sure I have any time to help you :-(
Update
Here's the current state of things:
I put together a demo site using the ideas I had from the original post and met with several staff members. They were totally excited about the idea of going in this direction. We are definitely going to use Organic Groups to create a 'home' for all our small groups, that is clearly going to be useful. I've got it all set up now so you can see a site-wide calendar and upcoming events links, and then when you get to the group area you see just the events for that group. So far I just have one content type for all groups and I'm going to try to stick with that unless I find it won't work.
The site navigation will be largely driven by taxonomy. Every piece of content will be tagged with an audience, a program, and/or a group and then I have several Views set up to display the results and make it easy for the end user to filter and sort through the results. I created a content type to use for a landing page for each taxonomy, so we can have a nice page about 'Children' right above the links to the content that was tagged with that term, done by creating an 'attachment' in a view to display a full node above a regular view.
Simplenews looks like the answer for the church email newsletter. It still has some bugs (I'm making bug patches as I go). The staff just asked me about how to handle sending out email notifications to a prayer chain, and I think Simplenews could do it as though it was another newsletter, but we might also be able to do this by creating a 'Prayer chain' Organic group and having everyone in the group subscribe to get email notices whenever something is posted. Then I just need to create a 'prayer request' content type that anyone can create that will automatically post into the group. Or do something with Actions and Triggers to automatically notify everyone. I haven't quite worked that one out yet.
My goal was to do this using just stock Drupal modules, putting them together in a way that others could replicate. I'm ending up with just a little bit of glue code and a few css and theme overrides, but it's not significant (the site would work fine without it). I have to say it might be challenging for someone who doesn't know Drupal well to be able to figure out what modules to use and how to set them up, but hopefully I can create some documentation at the end of the process on exactly how to do it.
The other key will be getting the members to buy in and actually use it, but the staff has some great ideas about that, too. We're going to set up a ring of laptops out in the lobby after church and encourage people to get online and register while there are people around to help them. And we'll go to the youth groups and try to get them involved and excited. And the site will become a major source of communication -- each of the OG group administrators will be able to email their members about group news and events without spamming the whole church with those things -- so everyone who signs up will be able to get all the latest pertinent info dropped right into their email box. Everyone is comfortable with email so that's the initial push and we'll edge into other ways to take advantage of the site.
Thanks for your input Matt, I'm using some of your ideas (either from postings on g.d.o. or from Geeks and God) and trying to take advantage of your experience.
By the way, the young pastor who is driving the process was researching other church sites he liked and emailing me about features he hoped we could include. Almost every 'awesome' church web site he found was using Drupal :-)
Thanks for your effort
Thanks for your effort and sharing. I'm sure it's going to help others out.
When all is said and done we'd love it if you posted the site to the list of drupal church sites at http://groups.drupal.org/node/2700 and any documentation or tutorials would be appreciated.
If there is any help we can give please let us know.
Matt Farina
www.innovatingtomorrow.net
www.geeksandgod.com
www.superaveragepodcast.com
www.mattfarina.com
Awesome
Awesome KarenS, I love it. I love your ideas with the site. I'm doing the same right now, building a site for my church on Drupal 6. From the start I thought the site would be best acting as informational to visitors, while logged in users have access to community and interactive stuff. After lots of work on it, I came across G&G and started listening to your podcast mfer. Well I guess I went with the 3rd option - the one you didn't recommend, oh well.
Anyway, the old site was designed years ago, and there was pressure to get the new site up - so it's up now but I'm stlll developing it! I'm loving the built-in taxonomy color-coding you setup for the cal, though I did some css mods to make it more compact (put a colored bar to the left of the event title and removed the box).
I'm using Views & CCK a lot, some Taxonomy - though I'm very curious about your Taxo-based nav? Prior to this I've only built one other whole site with Drupal, though I have another in progress. I have multiple offline experiments running. My biggest challenge right now it profiles.... Don't like built-in, don't like content profile... I managed to hack together adding a tab to the my account page that links to a cck node... but I want it all on one page. Anyway I'm now experimenting with panels, hoping to make a seamless display of the my account page along with the cck node for that user. Also interested in OG, doing lots of experiments right now... Well thanks for starting this Karen, and thanks for all you do mfer.
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Too cool!
I'm really grateful that the illustrious KarenS of date/calendar fame is a part of this group, and I ain't just suckin' up. Date/calendar is so crucial to church Web sites, and to have you working on your own, and documenting the process, will be invaluable.
I started off with the old CivicSpace distribution, and embarked on a brief fling with the ill-fated Category module, so my site is an ungodly mess at the moment. I like your thinking on the taxonomy, because that's about how things need to break down.
I just got Using Drupal, and it really helped me grok this whole Drupal thing in a way that pecking around didn't. I'm champing at the bit to upgrade to Drupal 6 and date/calendar. I'm using Event at the moment, and the repeat module just took a dump, so our early services aren't on our calendar!
In addition, ELCA (our overlords), have a groovy new enhanced lectionary, but do they provide an iCal feed for it? No! So that's one of my future plans. Luckily, one of our members is friends with the woman who runs the publishing ministry, so we can haggle over copyright issues directly.
Which brings me to a note of caution for my fellow liturgical church types: There are copyrights on your service, so don't be podcasting the whole service without getting permission and licenses from the home office. I just use the readings and sermon for our podcast, and I have the copyright notice for the NRSV in a little text file that I include in the metadata when I post the MP3s to archive.org. Even God doesn't love a dirty infringer! OK, I'm exaggerating, but I'm sure it violates a commandment or two.
Latest Update
Latest update is that I have back-pedaled and gone a new direction on the navigation. I started out with a nice multi-tiered taxonomy for audience and programs and we are still using that. I thought I could make things easier by using Taxonomy Menu to automatically create menus and a navigation structure from that taxonomy. It works but it doesn't give us what we really want -- a structured navigation with a nice landing page at each point -- it give us a big dump of all the nodes that match that term. So I'm back to using the Book module for navigation, something I've done a lot in the past. Basically the whole site is one big book and we create sub-sections within it for the sections of the site (each sub-section is another 'book' within the parent 'book'. You get a navigation menu block for each sub section (i.e. book). It's an extra step to create the books and they don't create automatic menu items for the primary links, so I have to do that manually. But otherwise it works pretty well and each section has a table of contents with back/next navigation.
The biggest downside of doing it this way is all the 'Book' terminology, which doesn't make sense when you use it this way, but there is a neat trick that works in D6. You can add something to the settings.php file to have all the 'book' references say 'section' instead. You have to find all the exact phrases you want to change, and then you add something like the following at the bottom of settings.php:
<?php$conf['locale_custom_strings_en'] = array(
'Book' => 'Section',
'Book navigation' => 'Section navigation',
...
);
?>
So we're building out the basic site structure now using the Book module.
After that we're going to create custom calendars filtered down to the right events for each sub-section (we already have events color-coded by taxonomy in the main calendar and filtered calendars for each group). I will definitely come back and explain in more detail how to get the calendars all working in a later post.
Similar but Different
I've done something similar but slightly different in the past. Have a page node type (or what ever) and then create custom menus for these. For different contexts you get a different menu by placing the menu in a block and choosing the block visibility based on role. You can see an example of this on the geeksandgod.com website if you log in.
I wonder how this compares to using the book system. I wonder if using the book module would make it easier.
Matt Farina
www.innovatingtomorrow.net
www.geeksandgod.com
www.superaveragepodcast.com
www.mattfarina.com
I think I follow you on your
I think I follow you on your alternate method, I was trying to think of the pros and cons of this vs book. Book gives you automatic differentiation between sections (if you make each site section its own book). It's pretty easy in Views and themes to filter or otherwise identify things by the book parent. Other nice things you get from book that you don't get from custom menus are:
1) A pre-configured block that holds the navigation. It automatically appears only in the relevant places (within the book) and automatically picks up additional pages as you add them to the book. You just need to place it into the spot where you want it to appear.
2) Each 'parent' page has a nice table of contents of its child pages, and there is no easy way to do that manually out of custom menu entries.
3) Each book page has automatic 'back' and 'next' links, and there is no easy way to do that manually from custom menu entries.
4) The 'Outline' feature lets you easily incorporate nodes from other content types into the navigation if you like, you're not limited to the 'book' content type.
Thanks for this very timely discussion
Karen, this is most helpful. For 6 months I've been splitting time between maintaining a wreck of a site (created by someone else) and trying to learn Drupal and develop a new site in Drupal. I've finally had my first volunteer who knows anything at all about CMS development, but it's because he's a lead developer on a CMS called glfusion ("gee-ell-fusion"). So I doubt I could turn him into an eager assistant in building a Drupal-based site.
I had mapped out a site organization that is similar to yours, but figuring out which modules I can use for each function at the same time I'm learning how to set an installation up has been more than I could handle in my spare time (especially with a site that was built on the assumption that collaborative development is bad). So your list of modules is showing me a clear path.
Working from it, I just might be able to have a working mockup in a reasonable time. With that, I can show others how Drupal's possibilities compare with anything that could be developed in a different CMS.
One content type I'm wondering about is essentially a blog. We have a couple of folks on staff who essentially do monthly columns in the current (print) newsletter. Could that be covered by one of the modules you've already mentioned, or would I have to add something else?
Thanks again!
For a blog I would just
For a blog I would just create a 'blog' content type. You don't need the 'blog' module or anything, just give the right user roles the ability to create the blog. You could create a different content type for each distinct blog, or differentiate between them by creating a drop-down select field where you can choose which blog you're posting to, and then display them in a simple view, filtered by the 'blog type' field. I just saw a G&G podcast where they talked about that (it might have been an old podcast, I was trolling through the site), and I think that is what they recommended, too.
No Need For Blog Module
I agree with Karen that you don't need the blog module. Create a blog content type and use views. This should be better on memory and performance as well. The blog module is from a time before views and there has been talk of eventually removing it (someday when views is in core).
Matt Farina
www.innovatingtomorrow.net
www.geeksandgod.com
www.superaveragepodcast.com
www.mattfarina.com
How to migrate from Blog module?
OK...so it makes a lot of sense to not use the Blog module, but what if I already have been for some time? How do I migrate content from a blog content type created by the Blog module to a blog content type created manually?
I envision a process like this. Let me know if this is anywhere close to appropriate.
Erik Britt-Webb
drupal@ebrittwebb.com
Thanks!
Matt, thanks for the advice. I will just create a content type for the blog and use views as you suggest. I'm new to this, so it did not occur to me that the number of modules used could be a drain on resources.
Cliff
Wow this is awesome! What's
Wow this is awesome! What's the latest on this? Would an Installation Profile be feasible in the future?
Check out the profile developed by the UU church
The Unitarian Universalists have developed a profile that might work for many other churches. Check it out at http://drupal.org/project/wwwizard and see if it meets your needs.
I suspect that since this started KarenS has been heavily involved in projects for Drupal 7, so it might be a while before she can spend time contributing to this page.
Karen, is that about right?
The site is live
The site I was working on is now live at http://secondpres.info. Many of the things I originally planned to do were altered as we figured out what the end users wanted and were able to handle. We ended up with a pretty rich site that does not yet have everything we planned, but much of it is functional and it is being maintained mostly by volunteers. I ended up creating a number of custom modules to make it work better and to simplify things for our volunteer users.
It has calendars, sermons, and tons of groups, each with their own website section, group calendar and group photo galleries. There are a couple email newsletters being developed, we have a spiffy contact page for the staff that allows anonymous users to send them email, and lots lots more.
I'm still planning to do a complete write-up of what we used and why and I am in the process of releasing a number of the custom modules I created for this site. After that I will see if I can find time to make it into an install profile. At the very least I will write up a module list and explanation of how the site is set up.
Wow - What a Great Site!
Hi Karen,
You did a terrific job! I really like it. I am eager to see whatever you publish on how to imitate it.
Congratulations!
Greg Simkins
Pittsburgh
www.zioncc.org
Wow that site is fantastic!
Wow that site is fantastic! God bless you!
I look forward to learning about how you set it all up :)
nice job
I was just debating which video service to use.
I thought youtube had a 10 minute limit on their videos though. It still says that on their site. How were you all able to overcome that?
I've had this issue with my classes, too. I used blip.tv so far.
Oh I see the non-profit partner program now: http://www.youtube.com/nonprofits
This is from my own current
This is from my own current struggles in learning drupal for a recently-migrated church site (www.centralpc.org), but here are some things that would be useful to me, and probably generally useful to other church sites.
Includes pretty printing theme/option for sermon pages.
bonus for migration support that offers a way to bring in large numbers of static html sermons from an older site (though priority on the new stuff)
bonus for a way to add/migrate links to large numbers of sermon MP3's that already exist, (in my case, to be kept on a separate server)... IOW, probably scripts to add a set of nodes or fields with the CCK link/mp3 fields pointing to them, using the same CCK content type/view structure as the newer sermons.
I've been reading and experimenting and don't have my own solution worked out yet, but I'll be glad to share details of whatever I come up with when it is stable and working. Mine will even have some built-in support for inclusion of sermon or series artwork, since we're lucky enough to have some very creative artists doing the slide backgrounds for us. ;-)
Anyway, things to consider for this drupal for churches idea...
(recommendations to me would certainly be welcomed in the meantime, though any probably shouldn't be in this thread)
thanks,
jeff wilkinson
whoops! I goofed and posted
whoops! I goofed and posted this to the wrong thread. thought it was the one on developing a standard/starter drupal setup for churches. sorry...
jw
Karen, great site! On your
Karen, great site!
On your sermons, are you using something to generate the biblegateway links from the scripture references?
Or some CCK field for them?
(I have some javascript I've used in the HomeSite editor for years to select and link them, but I haven't built it into any drupal bits or WYSIWYG editor custom buttons yet. Is that what you're doing?)
Also, how are you implementing your Printer-friendly version?
Nice site index too... (http://secondpres.info/index) is that from tracking?
and maybe you said already, but how are you doing your groups and list of groups? (http://secondpres.info/og)
Is that something existing for group support or a set of CCK types and Views?
thanks!
jeff
Automatically Tag and Quote Scripture References on your site
see http://labs.bible.org and Check out the NETBible tagger for verse reference popups..
add a small amount of code to your site and have all verse references are Automatically Tagged and the Scripture Quoted (the verse References popups the scripture when your users mouse over the reference)..
see http://labs.bible.org/NETBibleTagger
NETBibleTagger is a new and innovative way to quote and link to the Bible from your existing scripture references. Plain references turn into hyperlinks which create a small in-line windows (tooltips), when the user mouses over them. This tooltip displays the text in the passage(s) that were referenced. A "Read more" link is provided allowing one to view in context the reference and to study it further in the free NET ® Bible Study Environment! Now, you have access to the same great Bible quoting that Bible.org has been using for years to enhance its readers' experiences. The Translation used is the NET ®. You can find out more about it here; And here is a comparison of the NET with the NIV and ESV.
NETBibleTagger makes citing Bible references easier than ever. Simply copy the html code below and paste it into your site's template file(s). Whether you have one web page on your site or thousands, NETBibleTagger will instantly transform all current and future links, saving you the countless hours it would take to manually tag all of your verses. Should you ever decide to remove NETBibleTagger, you only have to remove the couple of lines you copied to your template files(s). There are no residual affects left behind. This is because NETBibleTagger uses Javascript and actually inserts the links after your users have downloaded the page.
NETBibleTagger supports all of the Bible book names and their standard abbreviations. It will recognize and tag books with only one chapter (e.g., Matthew 1 or Matthew 2:9). It also handles multiple verses and chapters in a row with verses separated by commas and chapter:verse groups separated by semi-colons (e.g., Acts 3:16-18, 22; 4:2-4), and recognizes many other common abbreviations and formats (e.g., Lk 2:1; 4:4; Gal 3:3; 3:8-10; Eph 3:1; 4:2). Whether you use a hyphen (-) or an en dash (–), NETBibleTagger will correctly recognize and tag your Bible references (e.g., Rom 5:1-10; Eph 2:8–9).
also are a drupal NETBible tagger module http://labs.bible.org/blog/netbibletagger_drupal_module
and a repository for widgets/gadgets that have been developed by bible.org and other contributing members of the bible.org community. Tools:
Director of www.bible.org . The home of the NET Bible and thousands of trustworthy Bible study materials all available as a free download to the world
see http://netbible.org a free web based Bible Study Environment
see http://labs.bibl
yes, I saw your module on
yes, I saw your module on another thread.
I'm looking for something simpler, that just lets me manually add references when editing content with the WYSIWYG editor (tinyMCE or whatever), and possibly something that builds the link on scripture references that are in a CCK field.
and no offense to netbible, but I'd rather point to the biblegateway, where I can select the translation from their large list to match the one used by the speaker for a particular case. Our speakers don't always use the same translation, so it's nice to be able to pick just in the link argument at www.biblegateway.com .
thanks though,
jeff
Have you looked at?
Have you looked at http://drupal.org/project/reftagger
isn't reftagger similar to
isn't reftagger similar to NETBibleTagger in what it is doing?
Don't know
Don't know never heard of NETBibleTagger. It does sound like it would do the same, just something to checkout.
Scripture Filter
We used the scripture filter (http://drupal.org/project/scripturefilter) on http://secondpres.info. It provides a link to the Bible Gateway. It is supposed to pop that link up in a thickbox, but that the thickbox popup is broken on our site right now for some reason I haven't figured out.
Upcoming Events
How did you get the details to show up in your upcoming events view? I have the same kind of thing set up on our site but only the title shows up for repeating events.
I'm using the date module, version 5.x-2.8.
how...?
Karen,
how are you implementing your Printer-friendly version?
Nice site index too... (http://secondpres.info/index) is that from tracking?
and maybe you said already, but how are you doing your groups and list of groups? (http://secondpres.info/og)
Is that something existing for group support or a set of CCK types and Views?
thanks,
jeff
Lovely article
Currently in the process of putting together the second iteration of our church website. This thread has been really insightful. I'll be referring to it.
spam comments
2 comments above from me is obviously spam. too bad Drupal doesn't have a way to flag comments.