[5:44pm] attiks: GaborHojtsy: ping
[5:47pm] GaborHojtsy: Drupal 8 Multilingual Initiative meeting in 15 minutes. Will recap the Munich sprint, strategize on followups http://groups.drupal.org/node/250848 !!
[5:47pm] Druplicon: http://groups.drupal.org/node/250848 => Drupal 8 Multilingual Initiative meeting on August 29th, 2012 => 0 comments, 2 IRC mentions
[5:47pm] GaborHojtsy: attiks: hi!
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[5:48pm] attiks: GaborHojtsy: just commented, for the chinese: "Anybody has an idea on how to make this easy for others to add new mappings? Is this solved by CMI, or do we have to read all configs of the form language.mappings.*?"
[5:48pm] attiks: GaborHojtsy: any idea on how to handle this?
[5:48pm] GaborHojtsy: attiks: haha
[5:49pm] GaborHojtsy: attiks: I'd add a UI for it and this would be the default config for that
[5:49pm] attiks: GaborHojtsy: isn't it possible to support language.mappings.* so we don't have to care about to UI (for now)?
[5:50pm] GaborHojtsy: attiks: don't understand the question.... do you mean other modules would add more or that the file would be edited manually?
[5:51pm] attiks: others (module, admins) can create their own language.mappings.xxx file and it will be read
[5:51pm] attiks: GaborHojtsy: problem is i don't know what config is going to provide
[5:51pm] • GaborHojtsy neither
[5:52pm] attiks: GaborHojtsy: i know it works with image styles, but not sure what we need to do and what will be handled by config
[5:53pm] attiks: GaborHojtsy: or can it be RTBC'ed without the override for now, so we can move forward?
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[5:55pm] GaborHojtsy: attiks: well, it just hardcodes the list in a different way
[5:56pm] attiks: GaborHojtsy: it does, i'll try to get in touch with heyrocker, let's hope he know
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[5:56pm] GaborHojtsy: attiks: that is a good idea
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[6:00pm] penyaskito: good evening
[6:01pm] GaborHojtsy: penyaskito: hi!
[6:01pm] GaborHojtsy: hi everyone
[6:01pm] GaborHojtsy: this is our 2-weekly meeting time for D8MI
[6:01pm] GaborHojtsy: first of all, HUGE THANKS for everyone who sprinted with us last week
[6:01pm] GaborHojtsy: either remotely or in person
[6:01pm] GaborHojtsy: it was amazing!
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[6:02pm] GaborHojtsy: even last Sat was a big crowd: https://skitch.com/gabor.hojtsy/eqac7/12080098
[6:03pm] GaborHojtsy: AND
[6:03pm] GaborHojtsy: a huge thanks to the financial sponsors: comm-press, dotProjects.be, Open8.se, OSINet, Acquia and Evolving Web
[6:03pm] GaborHojtsy: they made it possible for us to rent the space, buy stuff for the sandwiches, pay for the drinks, etc.
[6:05pm] GaborHojtsy: we might not have any more in-person sprints
[6:05pm] GaborHojtsy: there were two ideas that people floated (1) try and do virtual in-person sprints, as in when people come together at different places, so we have smaller local teams connect over IRC (2) do a sprint at BADCamp too
[6:06pm] GaborHojtsy: I think (2) might or might not be likely depending on who is actually going, I'm fairly sure Jose Reyero would not be there, but plach expressed interest if the scholarship goes through
[6:06pm] GaborHojtsy: anybody interested in doing (1) sometime and any time suggestions?
[6:07pm] attiks: i'll try going to badcamp as well, but will depend on scholarship and family
[6:07pm] attiks: IRC sprints sounds like a good idea, but no preference for time
[6:08pm] penyaskito: GaborHojtsy, if 1) I could try to do one with Sevilla people (hi jsbalsera!) as we did the first weekend of Munich sprint. It worked well for us. About dates, it would be possible any weekend if we plan it a week before
[6:08pm] GaborHojtsy: penyaskito: ok
[6:08pm] GaborHojtsy: attiks: cool
[6:09pm] GaborHojtsy: penyaskito: and BTW Thanks a LOT for organizing the Sevilla sprint
[6:09pm] GaborHojtsy: that got us off to a much better start!
[6:09pm] penyaskito: sorry for getting tired so soon
[6:09pm] GaborHojtsy: penyaskito: np
[6:10pm] boobaa: GaborHojtsy: this pic looks a bit different than your other one, with two empty chairs and your macstuff
[6:11pm] GaborHojtsy: boobaa: yeah, THAT was at 8pm on Sunday, when I tried to work with webchick to commit all the patches
[6:11pm] GaborHojtsy: after everybody else left
[6:11pm] GaborHojtsy: BUT Floh did great sandwiches for me still
[6:11pm] GaborHojtsy: if you notice on the table
[6:11pm] boobaa:
[6:11pm] GaborHojtsy: https://skitch.com/gabor.hojtsy/eq4gp/12080105
[6:12pm] GaborHojtsy: BTW Floh was great too, got him some Hungarian hand-made chocolates to thank, only to figure out he wants to loose more weight... maybe will do something more fitting next time
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[6:14pm] GaborHojtsy: luckow: hi!
[6:14pm] luckow: hi ,-)
[6:14pm] GaborHojtsy: ok then we'll see if a BADCamp sprint is feasible
[6:14pm] GaborHojtsy: do not expect extended sprinting extravaganza IMHO
[6:14pm] GaborHojtsy: I think the Friday D8MI sprint was the biggest multilingual Drupal sprint ever
[6:15pm] GaborHojtsy: ongoing issues then!
[6:15pm] GaborHojtsy: http://hojtsy.hu/d8mi/focus
[6:15pm] GaborHojtsy: we got some biggies committed!
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[6:16pm] GaborHojtsy: we cornered webchick at Drupalcon with chx to get the config overrides patch committed!
[6:16pm] GaborHojtsy: woot!
[6:16pm] GaborHojtsy: http://drupal.org/node/1646580
[6:16pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1646580 => Implement Config Events and Listeners, and storage realms for localized configuration => Drupal core, configuration system, major, fixed, 63 comments, 27 IRC mentions
[6:16pm] GaborHojtsy: we resurrected lots of sandbox code to build the batchable gettext reader: http://drupal.org/node/1637348
[6:16pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1637348 => Import Gettext .po files in progressive batches to avoid time limits => Drupal core, language system, normal, fixed, 28 comments, 16 IRC mentions
[6:17pm] GaborHojtsy: which caused this major bug in the installer, haha: http://drupal.org/node/1757078
[6:17pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1757078 => When installing Drupal in a non-English language, we do not see the "congratulations" page. => Drupal core, language system, major, reviewed & tested by the community, 40 comments, 6 IRC mentions
[6:17pm] GaborHojtsy: (RTBC now, thanks yelo)
[6:17pm] GaborHojtsy: we have introduced and documented a new language_select field: http://drupal.org/node/1280996
[6:17pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1280996 => New language_select element type for form API => Drupal core, forms system, normal, fixed, 87 comments, 24 IRC mentions
[6:18pm] GaborHojtsy: introduced a basic entity form controller (although mostly the commit was at DrupalCon, the work was before): http://drupal.org/node/1499596
[6:18pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1499596 => Introduce a basic entity form controller => Drupal core, forms system, major, fixed, 139 comments, 24 IRC mentions
[6:18pm] GaborHojtsy: got the search entity indexing patch committed. http://drupal.org/node/1669876
[6:18pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1669876 => Add missing language functionality in search module => Drupal core, search.module, normal, fixed, 58 comments, 12 IRC mentions
[6:20pm] GaborHojtsy: made search backends such as steamers aware of language: http://drupal.org/node/511594
[6:20pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/511594 => hook_search_preprocess needs to be language-specific => Drupal core, search.module, normal, fixed, 81 comments, 20 IRC mentions
[6:20pm] GaborHojtsy: now have project info for localization: http://drupal.org/node/1627006
[6:20pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1627006 => Collect project information for translation update => Drupal core, locale.module, normal, needs work, 59 comments, 29 IRC mentions
[6:20pm] GaborHojtsy: AND MANY OTHERS
[6:21pm] GaborHojtsy: we made huge progress
[6:21pm] GaborHojtsy: we still need to follow up on many things though
[6:21pm] GaborHojtsy: the project info patch is carried forward by webflo
[6:21pm] GaborHojtsy: there are 5 RTBC patches and some previously RTBC were pushed back for smaller or bigger fixes
[6:22pm] GaborHojtsy: + we still need to have the EFQ patch reviewed: http://drupal.org/node/1691952
[6:22pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1691952 => Make EntityFieldQuery work with multilingual properties => Drupal core, entity system, major, needs review, 30 comments, 7 IRC mentions
[6:22pm] GaborHojtsy: and need more feedback on the CMI metadata work: http://drupal.org/node/1648930
[6:22pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1648930 => Add metadata for configuration in YML files => Drupal core, configuration system, normal, needs review, 51 comments, 14 IRC mentions
[6:22pm] GaborHojtsy: plenty for everyone
[6:22pm] GaborHojtsy: anybody want to talk one of the ongoing ones specifically?
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[6:24pm] penyaskito: about the 5 RTBCs, just checked that all apply, so no rerolls needed for now
[6:24pm] penyaskito: about http://drupal.org/node/1658842, I'd like to ask attiks if he could explain more what it's needed yet, I read both issues but couldn't figure the problem yet
[6:24pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1658842 => Introduce a translations:// stream wrapper to access the .po file directory => Drupal core, language system, normal, needs work, 62 comments, 16 IRC mentions
[6:25pm] attiks: penyaskito: didn't had a good look, but i think theres' something wrong with the file locations
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[6:25pm] attiks: penyaskito: and sometimes the import is running, other times it isn't
[6:26pm] attiks: penyaskito: if you want you may have a look, i'm working on the chinese problem for now, http://drupal.org/node/365615
[6:26pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/365615 => Language detection not working correctly for most Chinese readers => Drupal core, language system, major, needs work, 49 comments, 12 IRC mentions
[6:26pm] penyaskito: attiks, I'm aware of it, following that one
[6:27pm] penyaskito: ok, so I'll try to reproduce the problem and report on the issue my findings, thanks attiks!
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[6:27pm] attiks: penyaskito++
[6:30pm] GaborHojtsy: it would be great if we could support webflo with reviews on http://drupal.org/node/1627006 once he posts the update
[6:30pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1627006 => Collect project information for translation update => Drupal core, locale.module, normal, needs work, 59 comments, 30 IRC mentions
[6:30pm] GaborHojtsy: webchick committed the patch with a promise from us that we would follow up quick with the requested fixes
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[6:32pm] GaborHojtsy: and then for people looking for real deep adventure: http://drupal.org/node/1658846
[6:32pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1658846 => Add language support to node access grants and records => Drupal core, node system, normal, needs review, 36 comments, 13 IRC mentions
[6:32pm] GaborHojtsy: any other issues we want to talk about?
[6:32pm] GaborHojtsy: anything we are missing on he board? anything we should remove because it is just not happening?
[6:32pm] GaborHojtsy: people looking for work?
[6:33pm] attiks: GaborHojtsy: for the language mapping, ok to do it like explained in http://drupal.org/node/365615#comment-6411044
[6:33pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/365615 => Language detection not working correctly for most Chinese readers => Drupal core, language system, major, needs work, 49 comments, 13 IRC mentions
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[6:36pm] GaborHojtsy: attiks: I'm not sure a huge text area is good UX for this, but I'm sure a better UX will take more time
[6:37pm] GaborHojtsy: attiks: also, we might then use this for other things, like locale update I guess
[6:37pm] attiks: GaborHojtsy: the mapping i assume?
[6:37pm] GaborHojtsy: attiks: yup
[6:37pm] GaborHojtsy: attiks: the issue I keep linking to is fr l10n_update
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[6:37pm] GaborHojtsy: attiks: for cases when people use different local langcodes
[6:37pm] GaborHojtsy: attiks: for some reason
[6:38pm] attiks: GaborHojtsy: i'll start with the textarea, fancy UI in a follow up
[6:38pm] GaborHojtsy: attiks: which is probably a much bigger problem
[6:38pm] GaborHojtsy: attiks: and we don't need to solve all here yet
[6:38pm] attiks: GaborHojtsy: agreed
[6:38pm] GaborHojtsy: attiks: realize you stepped into a bigger thing than you anticipated
[6:39pm] attiks: GaborHojtsy: yes, i thought quick fix, in and out in a day
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[6:39pm] GaborHojtsy: attiks: yeah
[6:42pm] attiks: GaborHojtsy: how are we going to handle date formats, see http://drupal.org/node/365615#comment-6411194 as far as i'm concerned it's out of scope
[6:42pm] GaborHojtsy: any other ongoing issues that people want to talk about?
[6:42pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/365615 => Language detection not working correctly for most Chinese readers => Drupal core, language system, major, needs work, 49 comments, 14 IRC mentions
[6:43pm] GaborHojtsy: attiks: yeah, we already have per language date formats
[6:43pm] penyaskito: about batch po importing, I noticed that it's slow, maybe we should do the batch size somehow configurable?
[6:43pm] GaborHojtsy: attiks: this is just about language code mapping (external <=> internal)
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[6:43pm] GaborHojtsy: penyaskito: yeah, that makes sense, we probably picked a small batch size
[6:43pm] GaborHojtsy: penyaskito: want to open an issue and tag D8MI, sprint?
[6:43pm] penyaskito: sure
[6:44pm] penyaskito: but don't know how we can configure that in the installer
[6:44pm] penyaskito: where most of the people will suffer this problem
[6:46pm] GaborHojtsy: penyaskito: yeah
[6:46pm] GaborHojtsy: penyaskito: I don't think we should have a UI for it per say
[6:46pm] GaborHojtsy: penyaskito: *especially* not int he installer
[6:47pm] penyaskito: maybe we could do that through CMI?
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[6:49pm] attiks: penyaskito: you can use config to store it, but you need to write your own UI (dixit heyrocker)
[6:50pm] penyaskito: attiks, well, we can do no-UI on a first step and improve that later
[6:50pm] attiks: penyaskito: that's indeed possible
[6:51pm] GaborHojtsy: penyaskito: attiks: yeah
[6:52pm] GaborHojtsy: I'd say not to have a UI at first
[6:52pm] GaborHojtsy: not sure if a UI in core makes sense for it even
[6:52pm] GaborHojtsy: the important part was to have a low enough number that it would not import 500k at once
[6:52pm] GaborHojtsy: but we likely have a too low number now
[6:52pm] GaborHojtsy: need to find a better one and make it code-configurable at least
[6:53pm] penyaskito: if we use the config() object, a profile could override it on installation, don't?
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[6:55pm] attiks: penyaskito: good question, but no idea
[6:56pm] attiks: penyaskito: ask heyrocker in #drupal-contribute
[6:56pm] penyaskito: I'll do
[6:56pm] penyaskito: attiks++
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[6:57pm] GaborHojtsy: penyaskito: attiks: yeah, don't know either
[6:58pm] GaborHojtsy: penyaskito: attiks: probably the answer depends on the stage of install, after the DB/modules are in, it is essentially a full Drupal
[6:58pm] GaborHojtsy: so whatever can happen
[6:58pm] GaborHojtsy: which is funnily in fact why we hit this bug: http://drupal.org/node/1757078
[6:58pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1757078 => When installing Drupal in a non-English language, we do not see the "congratulations" page. => Drupal core, language system, major, reviewed & tested by the community, 40 comments, 7 IRC mentions
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[7:02pm] • attiks getting hungry
[7:03pm] GaborHojtsy: well, our meeting time is over
[7:03pm] GaborHojtsy: looks like we are keeping up, guys, please take care of the issues not in RTBC yet or not anymore there
[7:03pm] GaborHojtsy: and so we can mark more and more things accomplished as we go
[7:04pm] GaborHojtsy: great job! thanks everybody!
[7:04pm] attiks: bb all
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[7:04pm] penyaskito: GaborHojtsy++