[5:44pm] YesCT: Am I early or late?
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[5:57pm] YesCT: I'm about to enter museum no internetness
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[6:01pm] GaborHojtsy: hey
[6:01pm] Druplicon: eh oh
[6:01pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT: early
[6:01pm] GaborHojtsy: it is time for the meeting now though
[6:01pm] GaborHojtsy: anybody here for the D8MI meeting?
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[6:02pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: hi
[6:03pm] Mac_Weber: GaborHojtsy: the site is offline, BTW
[6:05pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: what's that epic tag?
[6:06pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: I want to somehow separate the "reasonable to jump in for someone" vs. the "come here if you have experience" stuff
[6:06pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: ah, ok, cool
[6:06pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: I don't think lumping everything under sprint is productive
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[6:07pm] GaborHojtsy: Mac_Weber: yeah, well, reload it
[6:08pm] GaborHojtsy: Mac_Weber: works well for me but I have seen it saying it is down earlier, a reload always worked
[6:08pm] GaborHojtsy: Mac_Weber: don't know what is going on…. I also seen endless loading times
[6:08pm] Mac_Weber: GaborHojtsy: got it to work
[6:09pm] GaborHojtsy: so I don't really have news per say
[6:10pm] Mac_Weber: GaborHojtsy: is D8 going to solve that case of different language sets and default language for each country?
[6:10pm] GaborHojtsy: Mac_Weber: no
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[6:11pm] penyaskito: im here
[6:12pm] GaborHojtsy: penyaskito: hey
[6:12pm] GaborHojtsy: so I don't really have any news per say for this meeting
[6:13pm] GaborHojtsy: I was trying to keep the metadata and context issues afloat, and interestingly beejeebus retracted from his language-only context approach recently, so it is back to reyero's proposal (beejeebus will come back with rerolls and adjustments)
[6:13pm] GaborHojtsy: the metadata issue forked into like 4 different things
[6:14pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: So no news is good news or bad news?
[6:14pm] GaborHojtsy: chx gave up his fork when he figured out the inclusion is nasty either way
[6:14pm] GaborHojtsy: for different metadata files
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[6:14pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: Feels like we are kind of stuck, aren't we?
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[6:14pm] reyero: I mean not too much progress (committed nor rtbc) lately
[6:15pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: yeah, well, Sutharsan is pushing ahead well and those are more controlled areas
[6:15pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: About the metadata issue, I have the hope some other thread dies naturally too
[6:16pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: and that's why I'm taking a break on that, they may need time
[6:16pm] GaborHojtsy: so YesCT got cold and Schnitzel is pretty much missing in action in the past weeks
[6:16pm] GaborHojtsy: penyaskito stepped in and balintk is producing some stuff as well
[6:17pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: yeah, I think we need to let the metadata issue run its course
[6:18pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: So I'll be only pinging them if they're not moving, either "work out a patch, or drop it"
[6:19pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: ok, I'm trying to go the same
[6:19pm] GaborHojtsy: I'd have loved to get heyrocker on here today but he ledt 15 minutes before the meeting
[6:20pm] GaborHojtsy: so what I have been trying to do lately to have some controlled progress on our own is to attack some of the usability feedback: http://www.drupal8multilingual.org/issues/focus
[6:20pm] GaborHojtsy: module naming, language list cleanup, etc.
[6:21pm] GaborHojtsy: these are not big things, so we can have them go through faster
[6:21pm] GaborHojtsy: and we should not really be bogged down by others if we want to achieve stuff
[6:21pm] penyaskito: the problem with those I think could be git conflicts
[6:21pm] penyaskito: and too much rerolls needed
[6:21pm] • penyaskito has to leave in 2 minutes
[6:22pm] GaborHojtsy: I also moved the feature requests to tasks since we cannot drop these things, we need to implement them somehow so its not like "it is just a feature, we can live without"
[6:22pm] penyaskito: so maybe we shouldnt make it worse for people working on epics if thats the bottleneck
[6:22pm] GaborHojtsy: penyaskito: well, so far we only rename on the UI
[6:22pm] GaborHojtsy: penyaskito: eg. http://drupal.org/node/1833184 RTBC
[6:22pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1833184 => Find a consistent naming scheme for translation-related modules => Drupal core, language system, normal, reviewed & tested by the community, 51 comments, 3 IRC mentions
[6:22pm] penyaskito: that could be inconsistent, will there be a follow-up?
[6:22pm] GaborHojtsy: penyaskito: I specifically don't want to go and rename whole modules
[6:22pm] GaborHojtsy: penyaskito: well, content translation module is called translation.module for example
[6:22pm] GaborHojtsy: penyaskito: in D7
[6:23pm] GaborHojtsy: penyaskito: so we can live with that for a bit
[6:23pm] penyaskito: ok
[6:23pm] GaborHojtsy: penyaskito: we'll rename the actual modules as needed
[6:23pm] GaborHojtsy: (we don't need to do that before feb 16th)
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[6:25pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: This week if I have any time left, I think I'll get back to the locale DIC issue
[6:25pm] GaborHojtsy: wow, vocabularies to config just landed: http://drupal.org/node/1552396
[6:25pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1552396 => Change notice: Convert vocabularies into configuration => Drupal core, taxonomy.module, critical, active, 172 comments, 47 IRC mentions
[6:25pm] GaborHojtsy: that is a very interesting use case for us because it is the only config entity that has a language selector
[6:25pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: good plan!
[6:26pm] GaborHojtsy: so vocabularies put our feet in to CMI land with the language selector… we'll need to figure out how to put it on other config entities as appropriate
[6:27pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: I'll take a look at that one, just because the config system is changing with every new thing that gets into configuration
[6:27pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: haha
[6:27pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: Maybe we should push for node types too, these are gonna be some real configuration case
[6:27pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: field config?
[6:28pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: Well, yes, but node types first, they'll need plugins, etc
[6:29pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: I think people have been working on fields (not as plugins but as pure CMI)
[6:30pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: um, maybe nodes need fields first..
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[6:30pm] reyero: I just did a git pull, and there's only 'taxonomy.settings' there
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[6:31pm] reyero: Oh, I guess I need to create a vocabulary
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[6:43pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: This looks really weird to me (VocabularyFormController)
[6:43pm] reyero:   /**
[6:43pm] reyero:   * Submit handler to update the bundle for the default language configuration.
[6:43pm] reyero:   */
[6:44pm] reyero:   public function languageConfigurationSubmit(array &$form, array &$form_state) {
[6:45pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: well, that is pre-existing
[6:47pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: yeah, I guess I have a lot to learn about entities, fields an languages yet
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[6:48pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: well, this is the default language setup for terms in the vocabulary I think
[6:48pm] • GaborHojtsy did not look at the code
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[6:49pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: yes, better don't look at the code
[6:49pm] GaborHojtsy: hahaah
[6:49pm] • GaborHojtsy also preparing D6 release
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[6:52pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: really we are getting 'language' everywhere now , only not the way I wanted
[6:53pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: yeah, well
[6:53pm] reyero: it is amazing
[6:53pm] reyero: grep "language" `find core` | wc
[6:53pm] reyero:   5395  43178  657962
[6:53pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: haha
[6:53pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: wonder how would that compare to D7
[6:54pm] reyero: I tell you in a min
[6:54pm] GaborHojtsy: D6 is 1013  10626  111899
[6:55pm] GaborHojtsy: so is about 1/4th of D8
[6:55pm] reyero: D7 is about 2500 in core + includes
[6:55pm] reyero: I mean in modules + includes
[6:56pm] reyero: oh, forgot themes, total:  3607  29521  358748
[6:57pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: You can draw a nice graph with all that  Great d8mi success !!!
[6:57pm] GaborHojtsy:
[6:57pm] GaborHojtsy: so essentially D8 contains 4 times references to language vs. D6 and D7 is in-between
[6:58pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: and we are not yet done with D8
[6:58pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: oh, not
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[7:01pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: I am thinking the second number is the word count in wc, isn't it?
[7:01pm] reyero: There may be something wrong in my counts
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[7:02pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: btw, grep "langcode" `find core` | wc
[7:02pm] reyero:   3725  24688  470624
[7:03pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: yeah it would be word count I think
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[7:04pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: It should be fun doing some tag cloud for Drupal core code
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[7:08pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: haha
[7:08pm] reyero: The funny fact is that replacing 'language' by 'lang' would save us... around 20Kb of code
[7:08pm] reyero: nope, 80Kb
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[7:10pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: I may compile some funny stats for a Christmas blog post
[7:10pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: hehe
[7:10pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: just don't try to suggest that
[7:12pm] GaborHojtsy: ok, I'll cut meeting notes here
[7:13pm] GaborHojtsy: thanks everyone for coming and happy holidays!!!!
[7:13pm] reyero: happy holidays!
[7:13pm] GaborHojtsy: next meeting Jan 2nd if anybody is coming that is
[7:13pm] GaborHojtsy: same time same place