[6:01pm] GaborHojtsy: hi ALL [6:01pm] GaborHojtsy: D8MI time [6:01pm] GaborHojtsy: who is here? [6:02pm] jibran|afk left the chat room. (Read error: No route to host) [6:02pm] pcambra: I'm here [6:02pm] jhodgdon: here [6:02pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon, pcambra, penyaskito, rodrigoaguilera, Schnitzel, sebcorbin, vijaycs85, webflo, YesCT hi all [6:03pm] rodrigoaguilera: hi [6:03pm] Druplicon: ni hao [6:03pm] jibran|afk joined the chat room. [6:03pm] jibran|afk left the chat room. (Changing host) [6:03pm] jibran|afk joined the chat room. [6:03pm] YesCT: Hi [6:03pm] Druplicon: hello [6:03pm] tsvenson joined the chat room. [6:04pm] • tsvenson ready to lurk... [6:04pm] GaborHojtsy: so announcements :) [6:04pm] GaborHojtsy: DrupalCon [6:04pm] cjoy left the chat room. (Quit: cjoy) [6:04pm] GaborHojtsy: bogota? [6:04pm] Druplicon: DrupalCon Latin America in Bogota, 10-12 Feb https://latinamerica2015.drupal.org | EXTENDED SPRINTS 8-13 Feb (info on https://groups.drupal.org/node/447308). Sign up: http://bit.ly/sprintBogota. Use tag: LatinAmerica2015 in the issue queue [6:04pm] GaborHojtsy: that was last week :) [6:05pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT delivered a shortened version of the workshop [6:05pm] YesCT: I think shortening it worked [6:06pm] GaborHojtsy: the recording is at https://latinamerica2015.drupal.org/session/drupal-8-multilingual-hands [6:06pm] YesCT: Didn't do any views [6:06pm] GaborHojtsy: I watched it, it went well :) [6:06pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT++ [6:06pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT: great job :) [6:06pm] YesCT: For people thinking about doing it for camps, could work in a 1 hour format. [6:06pm] YesCT: Thanks! [6:07pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT: did you update the doc linked from the site or created a new one? [6:07pm] rodrigoaguilera: YesCT: do you plan on doing it for drupalcamp Spain? [6:07pm] YesCT: I updated the doc [6:08pm] YesCT: And also made and archive of previous version. [6:08pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT++ [6:08pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT: wanna share some thoughts or not really available? [6:08pm] YesCT: Could be good for Spain. I'd like to help someone new do it [6:08pm] YesCT: Who hasn't presented before. [6:08pm] rodrigoaguilera: YesCT: I can give it a try [6:09pm] YesCT: rodrigoaguilera: super! [6:09pm] kristen_pol joined the chat room. [6:09pm] YesCT: When you submit it add me as a co presenter. [6:10pm] YesCT: I will edit the doc again to document my thoughts on reordering. [6:10pm] rodrigoaguilera: YesCT++ [6:10pm] YesCT: I used the table in it to help me figure out how long it would run. [6:11pm] YesCT: A bof before or after might be nice. [6:11pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT: ok! [6:11pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT++ [6:11pm] GaborHojtsy: then next up is drupaldevdays! [6:11pm] GaborHojtsy: devdays? [6:11pm] Druplicon: The next Drupal Dev Days is 13th to 19th April 2015 in Montpellier France. See http://montpellier2015.drupaldays.org/ | Sprint signup: http://bit.ly/sprintDevDaysFr | g.d.o post: https://groups.drupal.org/node/456323 [6:11pm] YesCT: Not sure I have anything else d8mi specific. [6:11pm] YesCT: :) [6:12pm] GaborHojtsy: we should have a HUGE sprint in Montpellier, so looking forward to having you there :) [6:12pm] GaborHojtsy: tickets are now being sold on an early bird price and the sprint sheet is open for you all [6:12pm] YesCT: I will be there! [6:13pm] GaborHojtsy: see http://montpellier2015.drupaldays.org/tickets [6:14pm] GaborHojtsy: that’s it for announcements [6:14pm] GaborHojtsy: vijaycs85: wanna go next? [6:14pm] vijaycs85: GaborHojtsy: sure [6:14pm] jhodgdon: GaborHojtsy: any word when they are deciding on the scholarship applications for DDD? [6:14pm] vijaycs85: didn't much time this week. just reviewed https://www.drupal.org/node/2414279 [6:14pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2414279 => Interface translations directory: Can not set values on immutable configuration [#2414279] => 33 comments, 8 IRC mentions [6:15pm] vijaycs85: keeping an eye on https://www.drupal.org/node/2384863 [6:15pm] vijaycs85: that's it [6:15pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2384863 => Language base field handler should use views field handler, provide unified options [#2384863] => 136 comments, 28 IRC mentions [6:16pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon: I am not involved, don’t know [6:16pm] GaborHojtsy: vijaycs85: ok, should write up the answer to jhodgdon on the later one :D [6:16pm] GaborHojtsy: I mean I should write it up [6:16pm] GaborHojtsy: will do that soon [6:16pm] jhodgdon: GaborHojtsy: yes I am confused about what is working and what not working on that one [6:17pm] jhodgdon: GaborHojtsy: suggest issue summary update. :) [6:17pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon: in short the language field is not translatable so its *translation* cannot be rendered [6:17pm] GaborHojtsy: vijaycs85: if you happen to have time, I think https://drupal.org/node/2424171 may be a good one you could help with [6:17pm] jhodgdon: GaborHojtsy: that may be related to the question of https://www.drupal.org/node/2428113 -- if the question is just what language should the language be displayed in [6:17pm] Druplicon: https://drupal.org/node/2424171 => Language module vs. content translation module interaction exposes content translation bug [#2424171] => 8 comments, 1 IRC mention [6:17pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2428113 => Entity formatters should (maybe?) render UI/Config text that is part of the display using the entity language, not the current interface language [#2428113] => 9 comments, 2 IRC mentions [6:18pm] jhodgdon: GaborHojtsy: if the question is what language should be displayed, that is a separate problem [6:18pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon: no, they cannot even provide their translated value for the rendering [6:18pm] jhodgdon: hope that makes sense [6:18pm] jhodgdon: oh [6:18pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon: because they don’t have a translated value [6:18pm] jhodgdon: yeah that is a problem [6:18pm] vijaycs85: GaborHojtsy: sure, will have a look [6:18pm] vijaycs85: GaborHojtsy:++ [6:18pm] vijaycs85: GaborHojtsy++ [6:18pm] tsvenson1 joined the chat room. [6:18pm] tstoeckler joined the chat room. [6:19pm] GaborHojtsy: vijaycs85: the fix should be good but there may be some negotiation tests that assume the wrong thing :D [6:19pm] GaborHojtsy: vijaycs85: I think [6:19pm] GaborHojtsy: vijaycs85++ [6:19pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon: wanna go next? [6:19pm] vijaycs85: GaborHojtsy: ahh okay [6:19pm] tsvenson left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [6:19pm] jhodgdon: yes, good transition [6:20pm] jhodgdon: so we're discussing https://www.drupal.org/node/2428113 about which language information should be presented in when displaying an entity in a view [6:20pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2428113 => Entity formatters should (maybe?) render UI/Config text that is part of the display using the entity language, not the current interface language [#2428113] => 9 comments, 3 IRC mentions [6:20pm] jhodgdon: I think maybe it should be Works as Designed closed, but others may want to take a look and see what they think. Summary is updated. [6:21pm] jhodgdon: Then I came up with https://www.drupal.org/node/2428301 -- which I decided was a documentation problem. [6:21pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2428301 => When adding language, translation import is not working without Update module enabled [#2428301] => 4 comments, 1 IRC mention [6:21pm] jhodgdon: I didn't have the Update module enabled, and wasn't getting translation imports, and didn't realize it was needed. Needs some messages, log warnings, documentation. I will probably work on that, but if anyone has input on whether that could be gotten around or if not, where it should be documented, that would be helpful. [6:22pm] jhodgdon: my inclination now is at least to document and log warnings [6:22pm] jhodgdon: because it was only after I looked at the code that I realized Update is a requirement for downloading translations. I see why that is, but it wasn't obvious. [6:23pm] jhodgdon: And then of course I am monitoring the Views D8MI metas. The old trusty meta is https://www.drupal.org/node/2313159 and #6 is still the "not done yet" part. [6:23pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2313159 => [meta] Make multilingual views work [#2313159] => 36 comments, 30 IRC mentions [6:23pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon: yeah its kind of required and not :D if you enable update module THEN uninstall it, then locale will still have some cached data and use that for eternity [6:24pm] jhodgdon: But now there is a new meta for https://www.drupal.org/node/2393339 that is basically the meta for all the stuff on #6 that still needs to be done [6:24pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2393339 => [policy decided, now meta] Make sure Views base fields are using Field API for formatting, and do not lose functionality [#2393339] => 23 comments, 6 IRC mentions [6:24pm] jhodgdon: I got that organized this past week [6:24pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon: yeah the most important thing there is to figure out which ones are critical [6:25pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon: we have this D8 upgrade path blocker critical about access which may be involved with several of them [6:25pm] jhodgdon: and I've been reviewing and testing dawehner's patch for https://www.drupal.org/node/2342045 -- found a problem with it, in that with the change in that patch the node_views_data table was not being joined in some views, so the view wasn't showing all the rows, which is what dawehner calls a "volcano" in that it is a Big Problem and will spawn another issue [6:25pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2342045 => Views base fields need to use same rendering as Field UI fields, for formatting, access checking, and translation consistency [#2342045] => 162 comments, 31 IRC mentions [6:25pm] jibran|afk left the chat room. (Read error: Connection timed out) [6:25pm] jhodgdon: GaborHojtsy: probably all of them are critical then [6:26pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon: yeah [6:26pm] jhodgdon: GaborHojtsy: because they all are ignoring field/entity access [6:26pm] jhodgdon: Anyway. Lots going on. I'm in "review and organize" mode mostly. [6:26pm] jibran|afk joined the chat room. [6:27pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon: great, thanks for that [6:28pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon++ [6:28pm] jhodgdon: GaborHojtsy: back to the language field issue... the langcode database field is only on the node_field_data table so it is definitely specific to a translation. I don't see how the wrong one can be loaded with the entity? Anyway. probably not the right time to discuss that. [6:28pm] jhodgdon: [6:28pm] dasrecht is now known as dasrecht_off. [6:28pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon: look at your Node::baseFieldDefinitions() [6:29pm] jhodgdon: k [6:29pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon: langcode is NOT translatable [6:29pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon: when all parts of the API try to figure out to store the values per language, they bail because its not translatable [6:29pm] • penyaskito is here [6:29pm] tsvenson1 is now known as tsvenson. [6:29pm] jhodgdon: I guess it's a special case because it is the basis for translations rather than being a translatable field [6:30pm] jhodgdon: GaborHojtsy: so probably the loadTranslation() code or whatever it is called needs to special case and set the langcode when it loads the rest of the entity. [6:30pm] jhodgdon: anyway, not time to discuss it here, sorry for getting off track [6:30pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon: it cannot set it to a different value, that is what my last comment was about [6:31pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon: because that involves changing the default langcode of the entity [6:31pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon: which is not possible [6:31pm] jhodgdon: aaaaah. [6:31pm] jhodgdon: :( [6:31pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon: so you cannot actually set it temporarily to something else on the entity so you can render just that field [6:31pm] Sutharsan left the chat room. (Remote host closed the connection) [6:32pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon: I posted that in comment form now [6:33pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon: 2384863 [6:33pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2384863#comment-9637469 [6:33pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2384863 => Language base field handler should use views field handler, provide unified options [#2384863] => 137 comments, 29 IRC mentions [6:33pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon++ [6:33pm] GaborHojtsy: ok, pcambra wanna go next? :) [6:33pm] pcambra: sure [6:33pm] pcambra: Finished up https://www.drupal.org/node/2411343 and that went in :) [6:33pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2411343 => Only allowing to have empty language path prefix for the default language is inappropriate [#2411343] => 19 comments, 8 IRC mentions [6:34pm] tstoeckler: yay! [6:34pm] • Druplicon throws confetti [6:34pm] pcambra: and was going to work yesterday in https://www.drupal.org/node/2318437 but someone did it first :) [6:34pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2318437 => Replace the hardcoded langcode key on blocks with the 'language' cache context [#2318437] => 44 comments, 8 IRC mentions [6:34pm] pcambra: can help with something else this week [6:35pm] tsvenson: pcambra:++ [6:36pm] Javisr left the chat room. (Remote host closed the connection) [6:36pm] GaborHojtsy: pcambra: hm, I don’t have a good issue in mind now, but will surely let you know as soon as I do :) [6:36pm] GaborHojtsy: pcambra++ [6:36pm] GaborHojtsy: pcambra: good work on these [6:36pm] GaborHojtsy: tstoeckler: I see you arrived, wanna go next? [6:36pm] pcambra: GaborHojtsy++ [6:36pm] pcambra: sure, thanks :) [6:36pm] tstoeckler: yes, I arrived. didn't do anything this week, though. sorry [6:37pm] GaborHojtsy: tstoeckler: if you have some time, https://drupal.org/node/2298687 would still be amazing to get in :) [6:37pm] Druplicon: https://drupal.org/node/2298687 => Sequence and Mapping implement interfaces incorrectly, make them honest about what they support [#2298687] => 77 comments, 1 IRC mention [6:38pm] GaborHojtsy: tstoeckler++ [6:38pm] tstoeckler: GaborHojtsy: yes, that is at the top of the list [6:40pm] likin left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [6:40pm] GaborHojtsy: tstoeckler: thanks a lot [6:40pm] GaborHojtsy: penyaskito: hi, wanna go next? [6:41pm] penyaskito: sure [6:41pm] penyaskito: I worked on https://www.drupal.org/node/2419897 [6:41pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2419897 => Javascript translations are loaded in the wrong order due to missing dependencies [#2419897] => 78 comments, 21 IRC mentions [6:41pm] penyaskito: which is RTBC already, thanks GaborHojtsy [6:42pm] penyaskito: thats it [6:42pm] penyaskito: GaborHojtsy++ [6:42pm] GaborHojtsy: penyaskito: yeah that was an important one, thanks for working on that [6:42pm] GaborHojtsy: penyaskito++ [6:42pm] GaborHojtsy: and [6:42pm] GaborHojtsy: WimLeers++ [6:43pm] GaborHojtsy: mon_franco is not here, she was about to work on https://drupal.org/node/2414279 to add tests but likin jumped in [6:43pm] Druplicon: https://drupal.org/node/2414279 => Interface translations directory: Can not set values on immutable configuration [#2414279] => 33 comments, 2 IRC mentions [6:44pm] GaborHojtsy: I asked mon_franco to look at https://drupal.org/node/2420737 :) [6:44pm] Druplicon: https://drupal.org/node/2420737 => Improve UX of views language list [#2420737] => 7 comments, 2 IRC mentions [6:44pm] GaborHojtsy: kristen_pol: hi, you are here, wanna go next? [6:44pm] kristen_pol: hi, sure [6:44pm] Druplicon: kristen_pol: 18 hours 55 min ago tell kristen_pol to please have a look at https://www.drupal.org/sandbox/palashvijay4/2428101 ASAP [6:44pm] GaborHojtsy: ha! [6:45pm] kristen_pol: Ok… so 1) when do we need to update the d8mi demo profile for the next camp? [6:46pm] kristen_pol: 2) I've been talking with Dustin Boeger (site building track chair for DCLA) and he's not sure they can do a lab for DrupalCon LA… he's going to check… he thought maybe a part 1 + part 2 might work instead… thoughts? He also wants me to submit a *D7* i18n talk for those of us still back in the dark ages ;) [6:47pm] GaborHojtsy: kristen_pol: D7 i18n sounds fine too :D [6:47pm] kristen_pol: so… should we try a 1 hour lab for that? or submit a part 1 and part 2? or ? [6:47pm] GaborHojtsy: kristen_pol: I think part 1 is enough if its 1h [6:47pm] jhodgdon: kristen_pol: don't do d7!!!!! [6:47pm] naveenvalecha left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [6:47pm] kristen_pol: ha [6:47pm] GaborHojtsy: kristen_pol: I think 1h is more sane :) [6:47pm] YesCT: Yeah. [6:47pm] kristen_pol: ok… so pair down to a 1 hour lab? [6:47pm] kristen_pol: YesCT: I think you have thoughts on how to do that [6:47pm] YesCT: Which I have done. [6:48pm] kristen_pol: right [6:48pm] YesCT: I need to reorg it. [6:48pm] YesCT: kristen_pol: let's work together on it. [6:48pm] kristen_pol: Ok… I can ping you separately to figure that out… just wanted to get a feeling on what should be submitted for DCLA as the deadline is soon [6:48pm] kristen_pol: is anyone submitting a i18n training for DCLA? [6:49pm] GaborHojtsy: kristen_pol: I am not going to DCLA, don’t know of others [6:49pm] kristen_pol: evolvingweb has done in the past for cons but lately seems like views training has taken its place [6:49pm] kristen_pol: GaborHojtsy++ [6:49pm] kristen_pol: baby++ [6:49pm] GaborHojtsy: kristen_pol: the training in Munich was pretty well attended (that I did with Suzanne Kennedy — now Dergacheva) [6:49pm] cjoy joined the chat room. [6:49pm] kristen_pol: I can ping her and see if she's submitting one [6:50pm] GaborHojtsy: kristen_pol: as for next demo update, beta 7 is coming next Wed: https://groups.drupal.org/node/456108 [6:50pm] Druplicon: https://groups.drupal.org/node/456108 => Drupal 8 beta 7 on Wednesday, February 25, 2015 => 0 comments, 3 IRC mentions [6:50pm] GaborHojtsy: following betas sounds good so we can keep changes to minimal [6:50pm] naveenvalecha joined the chat room. [6:51pm] kristen_pol: ok, sounds good… so we'll get it updated to beta 7 once that's out… I'll add an issue [6:51pm] kristen_pol: all for me, thx! [6:51pm] GaborHojtsy: kristen_pol: one more thing [6:51pm] GaborHojtsy: kristen_pol: the patch we have for core in the distro [6:51pm] likin joined the chat room. [6:52pm] GaborHojtsy: kristen_pol: https://www.drupal.org/node/2389735 [6:52pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2389735 => Core and base theme CSS files override theme CSS files with the same name [#2389735] => 13 comments, 5 IRC mentions [6:52pm] GaborHojtsy: kristen_pol: its sister issue at https://www.drupal.org/node/2414255 got fixed, so it may or may not be fixed now in head [6:52pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2414255 => Subtheme template inheritance working in reverse order [#2414255] => 64 comments, 5 IRC mentions [6:52pm] GaborHojtsy: kristen_pol: I think as part of the beta7 update, it is worth it to look at whether we need to patch core anymore [6:53pm] GaborHojtsy: kristen_pol: its a small change that loopduplicate found [6:53pm] kristen_pol: ok… thx, I'll add to the issue summary on that [6:53pm] kristen_pol: Actually, one more thing for me… [6:53pm] kristen_pol: https://www.drupal.org/sandbox/palashvijay4/2428101 - I don't know how to [6:53pm] kristen_pol: review since I haven't ported a D7=>D8 module myself so I'm not sure how to [6:53pm] kristen_pol: proceed with Palashvijay4O [6:53pm] kristen_pol: he wants me to review it but I don't feel qualified [6:54pm] rokr left the chat room. (Quit: Leaving.) [6:54pm] GaborHojtsy: kristen_pol: some people on the meeting may be interested in that :) its a vertical tabs example module port if I’m looking at that right [6:54pm] GaborHojtsy: ok, who else did I forget? [6:55pm] GaborHojtsy: Schnitzel: around? [6:55pm] vijaycs85 left the chat room. [6:55pm] rodrigoaguilera: GaborHojtsy: I worked a little bit on a tour [6:55pm] rodrigoaguilera: https://www.drupal.org/node/2017471 [6:55pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2017471 => Multilingual tour for language section [#2017471] => 173 comments, 5 IRC mentions [6:56pm] rodrigoaguilera: I think is only one wording change to being finished [6:56pm] rodrigoaguilera: tours are great to learn [6:56pm] GaborHojtsy: rodrigoaguilera: oh, right, thanks a lot! [6:57pm] jhodgdon: It may need one more review for accuracy. I am less informed about d8mi functionality... [6:57pm] GaborHojtsy: rodrigoaguilera: that has been standing there for quite a while ÉD [6:57pm] rodrigoaguilera: in case you have some other novices [6:57pm] GaborHojtsy: rodrigoaguilera: you can try to ping that to mon_franco too :) [6:58pm] rodrigoaguilera: ok [6:58pm] GaborHojtsy: rodrigoaguilera++ [6:58pm] GaborHojtsy: rodrigoaguilera: sorry for not asking also :D [6:58pm] rodrigoaguilera: but I'm also opened to other issues other than tours [6:58pm] rodrigoaguilera: [6:59pm] GaborHojtsy: rodrigoaguilera: I think those are good ones [6:59pm] GaborHojtsy: ok then a final note from me [6:59pm] jibran joined the chat room. [6:59pm] GaborHojtsy: I also worked on porting the l10n_client module last Thu and Fri as part of a big Acquia hackathon [6:59pm] penyaskito: w00t! [6:59pm] Druplicon: \o/ ^o^