[6:00pm] GaborHojtsy: hey, who is here for the D8MI meeting?
[6:01pm] weal: not me!  just kidding...
[6:01pm] GaborHojtsy: lol
[6:02pm] GaborHojtsy: weal: how is the doc stuff going?
[6:02pm] GaborHojtsy: weal: or you are bored of it and would rather work on something else?
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[6:02pm] weal: GaborHojtsy: I can finally get back to it, vacations and work have got in the way
[6:03pm] weal: GaborHojtsy: I'm open to working on other stuff... but I don't mind staying on docs
[6:03pm] weal: GaborHojtsy: Unfortunately I won't be able to attend DrupalCon Europe but I plan on contributing remotely somewhat
[6:04pm] weal: GaborHojtsy: Right now I
[6:04pm] weal: oops
[6:04pm] weal: I'm at the office right now, but my upcoming weekend I plan to code a lot so I can make some progress then
[6:05pm] weal: the next few days I'm researching
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[6:05pm] GaborHojtsy: weal: cool
[6:06pm] weal: If someone else wants to do it... great... otherwise it will go into my calendar for this weekend (finally!)
[6:06pm] GaborHojtsy: weal: it would be great to continue with that effort
[6:06pm] GaborHojtsy: weal: thanks for working on it
[6:08pm] GaborHojtsy: weal: let me know if you are interested in coding tasks too
[6:08pm] GaborHojtsy: weal: or performance testing
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[6:12pm] GaborHojtsy: anybody else here for the D8MI meeting?
[6:12pm] weal: GaborHojtsy: I'll definitely want to take on more coding stuff in the future, how about after I get some progress on docs?  I'm posting lots of contrib code with my new work, which is great, but I'm keen to work on core coding (especially after the summer, I have lots of projects now)
[6:13pm] GaborHojtsy: weal: time is closing in on Drupal 8, just 19 weeks and 2 days to go until feature freeze
[6:14pm] weal: woah!  time flies!
[6:14pm] GaborHojtsy: weal: which is pressing if we consider how much we have (not) accomplished in the last 19 weeks
[6:14pm] GaborHojtsy: weal: lots of stuff to do, lots
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[6:15pm] weal: ok... well, focus on docs for the short term, at least until the next meetup!
[6:16pm] kalabro: I'm here  I started with D7 Field Language API and I'm interested in how to make things more easy to use. After reading your posts I think I should look at "Refactor test_entity schema to be multilingual" first. Is it right way to start?
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[6:18pm] attiks: GaborHojtsy: i fixed http://drupal.org/node/1189184
[6:18pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1189184 => Make gettext .po generation its own abstracted functionality => Drupal core, locale.module, normal, needs review, 234 comments, 66 IRC mentions
[6:19pm] GaborHojtsy: kalabro: if you have experience with the D7 field API then providing feedback there would be great
[6:19pm] GaborHojtsy: kalabro: we are targeting to make properties vary by language too
[6:19pm] penyaskito: attiks++
[6:19pm] GaborHojtsy: attiks: yayayayay
[6:19pm] GaborHojtsy: attiks++
[6:20pm] penyaskito: have to leave, read you later
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[6:21pm] attiks: got to go as well, kids are home and hungry
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[6:22pm] • GaborHojtsy should hopefully have time later to continue cleaning up the phpdoc in the gettext patch, its a huge thread
[6:23pm] GaborHojtsy: attiks|away: I assume the updated code is on the sandbox branch too?
[6:23pm] j0rd_: im here to observe. Have not worked much with i18n in D7, but on a project now in D6 and have some helper modules and patches; http://drupal.org/project/l10n_bulk_export and
[6:23pm] j0rd_: http://drupal.org/project/i18n_hide_sync
[6:25pm] j0rd_: hide sync is good from ux stand point but not sure how the interface will look/work in d8
[6:26pm] • colan-laptop is lurking while trying to get http://drupal.org/node/1688286 up & running
[6:27pm] GaborHojtsy: j0rd_: ha, the plan for Drupal 8 is to focus on field/property translation and if we can build that out then drop the node copy model for translation
[6:27pm] GaborHojtsy: j0rd_: so synced fields as i18n would be out of question in that model
[6:27pm] GaborHojtsy: j0rd_: instead the current dev version of entity_translation has a good indication as to how the UI might look in Drupal 8
[6:28pm] GaborHojtsy: j0rd_: (older versions had a different UI)
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[6:28pm] colan-laptop: also the dev version of core
[6:29pm] GaborHojtsy: colan-laptop: ah, this is the metatag module which uses entities
[6:29pm] GaborHojtsy: colan-laptop: good stuff
[6:30pm] colan-laptop: GaborHojtsy: actually, metatag doesn't use fields.  metatag_quick does, but i'm too locked into metatag to switch for this project, so have to add it - don't get it for free like in the other one
[6:31pm] colan-laptop: davereid didn't want to use fields - can't remember why.  too much overhead perhaps.
[6:33pm] j0rd_: sounds good @gabor. Any improvements to UX are great, so i dont end up having to plug them all in for clients
[6:35pm] GaborHojtsy: colan-laptop: yeah, its easy to mix these up
[6:35pm] GaborHojtsy: j0rd_: cool
[6:36pm] GaborHojtsy: j0rd_: we are (or more precisely plach is) working on making entity form controllers happen: http://drupal.org/node/1499596
[6:36pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1499596 => Introduce a basic entity form controller => Drupal core, forms system, major, needs work, 57 comments, 12 IRC mentions
[6:36pm] GaborHojtsy: j0rd_: so we can display entity forms for different language versions, etc.
[6:36pm] GaborHojtsy: j0rd_: then comes the UI treatment for non-translated fields, which might be a setting as to whether mark them or remove them from translations
[6:36pm] j0rd_: ill take a look
[6:36pm] GaborHojtsy: j0rd_: but we need to get in http://drupal.org/node/1499596 first
[6:37pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1499596 => Introduce a basic entity form controller => Drupal core, forms system, major, needs work, 57 comments, 13 IRC mentions
[6:41pm] GaborHojtsy: anybody else here for the meeting? other questions?
[6:41pm] GaborHojtsy: someone planning to come to Munich? http://groups.drupal.org/node/238003
[6:41pm] Druplicon: http://groups.drupal.org/node/238003 => Drupal 8 Multilingual Initiative sprint before/after DrupalCon Munich 2012, needs sponsors => 0 comments, 6 IRC mentions
[6:41pm] GaborHojtsy: sign up if you have not done so already!
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[6:43pm] esolano: Hi Gabor, I'm here for the meeting. Just as an observer.. Want to help, but I'm kind of getting up to speed with things.
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[6:44pm] esolano: I already signed up for the Munich sprint.. remote only
[6:47pm] GaborHojtsy: esolano: great, what kind of topics are you interested in?
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[6:51pm] j0rd_: i think im coming to munich, but most likely will not be caught up with whats going on with D8
[6:51pm] liquidcms: hey all.. i see there is an i18n specific channel..
[6:51pm] esolano: GaborHojtsy: Anything not too complex. I can allot a couple of hours per week, and some time during the weekends. So I would say easy tasks for now,  to get familiarized with things. I'm a programmer, and have some experience in Drupal, but this would be my first time helping the community.
[6:52pm] liquidcms: will try to pay more attention as we have submitted likely about 20 patches to various modules so far trying to get i18n working
[6:52pm] liquidcms: so very interested
[6:52pm] colan-laptop: liquidcms: thanks for coming.  this is http://groups.drupal.org/node/242623
[6:52pm] Druplicon: http://groups.drupal.org/node/242623 => Drupal 8 Multilingual Initiative meeting on July 18, 2012 => 0 comments, 1 IRC mention
[6:53pm] colan-laptop: GaborHojtsy could use some help in getting things done
[6:53pm] liquidcms: and mostly based on this hard cold fact... starting to suggest to clients that i think adding 2nd language adds 30-60% to the cost/complexity of a site..
[6:54pm] j0rd_: liquidcms: about the same for any cms/design though
[6:54pm] liquidcms: yes, maybe even better.. but doesnt make it a good stat
[6:55pm] liquidcms: a while back i started a blog posting to track all the i18n patches we did: http://www.liquidcms.ca/patches-to-support-i18n-in-d7
[6:55pm] liquidcms: but sadly didnt keep up with it... although do maintain patch list for each project; so not hard to update this
[6:55pm] liquidcms: although not sure if much use here; more for others struggling with i18n sites
[6:56pm] liquidcms: i'll do a quick count on one of our current GoC projects....
[6:56pm] j0rd_: if you have any D6 i18n sites. please profile/review this patch http://drupal.org/node/877016
[6:56pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/877016 => i18n creates big database load => Internationalization, Menus, critical, closed (won't fix), 24 comments, 1 IRC mention
[6:56pm] GaborHojtsy: esolano: http://drupal.org/node/1616972 and http://drupal.org/node/1616962 are issues that need care, rerolling, performance benchmarks, etc.
[6:56pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1616972 => Replace $term->name with $term->label() => Drupal core, taxonomy.module, normal, needs review, 45 comments, 9 IRC mentions
[6:56pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1616962 => Replace $node->title with $node->label() => Drupal core, entity system, normal, needs review, 68 comments, 16 IRC mentions
[6:57pm] GaborHojtsy: esolano: but are pretty easy as their title suggest
[6:57pm] liquidcms: j0rd_: we do have d6 sites; but not active dev on them
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[6:57pm] GaborHojtsy: colan-laptop: I cannot really help on the metatag issue unfortunately
[6:57pm] esolano: GaborHojtsy: sounds great! I'll look into that as soon as I get a chance. Looking forward to start helping out
[6:58pm] GaborHojtsy: esolano: superb, superb
[6:58pm] liquidcms: colan-laptop: not sure what metatag issue is; but i discussed some of this with... Dave (??) the metatag guy in Denver
[6:58pm] GaborHojtsy: esolano++
[6:58pm] colan-laptop: GaborHojtsy: np, i'm just explaining why i'm too busy to help with other stuff right now
[6:58pm] GaborHojtsy: liquidcms: any of those apply to Drupal 8?
[6:58pm] j0rd_: liquidcms: well take a look. if you have any sites where performance is an issue the patch is for you
[6:58pm] GaborHojtsy: liquidcms: would be best to get them landed if possible
[6:58pm] liquidcms: patches we for various D7 projects
[6:59pm] colan-laptop: liquidcms: http://drupal.org/node/1688286
[6:59pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1688286 => Add Entity Translation support to Meta Tags => Meta tags, Code, normal, needs work, 2 comments, 1 IRC mention
[6:59pm] liquidcms: some could be for i18n or ET.. but need to look them up
[6:59pm] liquidcms: usually it is making other modules more i18n aware
[6:59pm] liquidcms: i havent touched D8
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[6:59pm] liquidcms: still trying to figure out D7.. lol
[7:00pm] GaborHojtsy: liquidcms: yeah, well, if they are to D7 core or modules that are moving from D7 contrib to D8 core
[7:00pm] GaborHojtsy: liquidcms: they they would be applicable
[7:01pm] j0rd_: my D6 patch is fixed in D7 so stoped there for looking at d8.
[7:02pm] liquidcms: on 1 of our current projects.. just looked up.. we have 31 patches in our patches folder.. these are not all ours; but many are
[7:02pm] liquidcms: of those, 15 are i18n related
[7:02pm] liquidcms: and by i18n.. i mean mulitlingual.. not specifically i18n project
[7:02pm] liquidcms: i.e. ET, title, etc as well
[7:03pm] liquidcms: although for the most part we assume translatable fields is not a solution for new projects
[7:03pm] liquidcms: as too many issues
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[7:05pm] FiNeX: Hi!
[7:05pm] Druplicon: hola
[7:05pm] liquidcms: patched projects include: workbench, i18n, quiz, apachesolr, facetapi, panels, et
[7:06pm] j0rd_: liquidcms: look into i18n_hide_sync if you use i18n_sync on your D7 sites
[7:06pm] liquidcms: GaborHojtsy: hey, thanks for email reply the other day.. not sure i replied back
[7:07pm] liquidcms: link to your blog was very informative
[7:07pm] liquidcms: j0rd_: thanks. will do
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[7:08pm] GaborHojtsy: liquidcms: well, if the translatable fields issues are confined to ET
[7:08pm] GaborHojtsy: liquidcms: then its much better than having any core issues
[7:08pm] liquidcms: yes, true.. i think my biggest issue is i am not trying to solve D8.. i am just trying to build sites
[7:09pm] liquidcms: so i am not overly aware of 2 things: the plan forward or how all these modules tie in together
[7:10pm] liquidcms: our approach is typically just "figure out where the bug is" and find best approach to fix it.. usually trying to avoid killing any kittens
[7:10pm] liquidcms: although fine line here i suspect between dead kittens and D8 fixes
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[7:10pm] j0rd_: liquidcms: im in the same boat. but i think we can help core devs by finding problems and improve/patch their work
[7:11pm] GaborHojtsy: liquidcms: yeah, well, as long as you are not cultivating those patches in their queues, if the "broken" code gets moved into core, it will be a D8 core problem
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[7:12pm] GaborHojtsy: liquidcms: j0rd_: obviously people focus on their own projects
[7:12pm] weal: lunch and meetings are calling here... updates this weekend and then see you guys at the next meetup!  cheers
[7:12pm] GaborHojtsy: liquidcms: j0rd_: it is also going to be your problem, albeit at a later time, if you need to fix the same issue again in D8
[7:13pm] GaborHojtsy: anybody else here for the meeting?
[7:15pm] j0rd_: ya. i have d8 installed my computer and one patch up ported to it. i18n bug wss fixed in D7 so didnt check D8. This D6 site was first foray into translations (9 languages)
[7:16pm] GaborHojtsy: j0rd_: great, if you spot any issues in D8, there is still time to fix them and possibly even improve the architecture for things
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