[6:01pm] GaborHojtsy: HEYHO D8MI meeting time, who is here?
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[6:01pm] GaborHojtsy: attrib, Kristen_Pol, mon_franco, penyaskito, plach, sebcorbin, webflo, YesCT?
[6:02pm] GaborHojtsy: vijaycs85: hi
[6:02pm] Kristen_Pol: here until 9:30… have a daily team meeting every morning
[6:02pm] Kristen_Pol: (9:30 pst)
[6:02pm] plach: here!
[6:02pm] Druplicon: plach: 1 day 18 hours ago <franSeva> tell plach I have commented https://www.drupal.org/node/2230637#comment-9349803 ...I think there is a problem with language_show in hook_entity_field_access
[6:02pm] Druplicon: plach: 1 day 17 hours ago <franSeva> tell plach I posted a patch, I have remove code form a test, related with display options, I think will not be needed https://www.drupal.org/node/2230637#comment-9349907
[6:03pm] plach: oops
[6:03pm] GaborHojtsy: all right!
[6:04pm] GaborHojtsy: so good news :) looks like the workshop is approved for Bogota :) listed now at http://www.drupal8multilingual.org/workshop
[6:04pm] Kristen_Pol: :)
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[6:04pm] GaborHojtsy: and chx thinks multilingual will be 1 of 3 thing carrying D8 :D https://twitter.com/chx/status/535112550992474112
[6:04pm] GaborHojtsy: ha!
[6:04pm] Kristen_Pol: d8mi++
[6:05pm] GaborHojtsy: so I tried to get Kristen_Pol and Aimee as well as webflo and YesCT to talk about the workshop a bit
[6:05pm] GaborHojtsy: Kristen_Pol: how did it go at BADCAmp?
[6:05pm] Kristen_Pol: badcamp was good
[6:05pm] Kristen_Pol: we were tight on time though
[6:05pm] Kristen_Pol: Aimee did most of the talking and I did most of the clicking
[6:05pm] Kristen_Pol: I think we really needed 2.5 or 3 hours
[6:05pm] Kristen_Pol: with a break
[6:06pm] Kristen_Pol: it's a lot to cover in 2 hours with break
[6:06pm] Kristen_Pol: but people were impressed all the same!
[6:06pm] Kristen_Pol: no recordings at badcamp
[6:06pm] Kristen_Pol: we tried to record but it died :/
[6:06pm] GaborHojtsy: Kristen_Pol: impressed people are cool :) YesCT also said before that we should cut some content, we were really fast paced in Amsterdam also
[6:07pm] Kristen_Pol: yeah…
[6:07pm] Kristen_Pol: we did do what YesCT said and tried to say "click on xyz" rather than "click here"
[6:07pm] Kristen_Pol: we tried to be more explicit so people could follow along
[6:07pm] Kristen_Pol: and we slowed down which meant we ran out of time
[6:08pm] YesCT: hi!
[6:08pm] Druplicon: sup
[6:08pm] Kristen_Pol: all for me unless you have specific questions
[6:09pm] YesCT: Kristen_Pol: good... :)
[6:09pm] GaborHojtsy: Kristen_Pol: I think specific sugestions would be great as to what to remobe
[6:09pm] YesCT: Kristen_Pol: GaborHojtsy: for bogota, they are only giving us an hour.
[6:09pm] GaborHojtsy: Kristen_Pol: asked the same from YesCT eaelier :)
[6:09pm] YesCT: GaborHojtsy: the longer D8 takes to get released, the more projects are going to start on symfony/silex.
[6:09pm] Kristen_Pol: one hour!
[6:09pm] Kristen_Pol: yikes
[6:09pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT: its reeeealy hard to do a hands-on of any quality in an hour
[6:09pm] YesCT: GaborHojtsy: Kristen_Pol: but they can't deliver what d8 multilingual can.
[6:09pm] YesCT: GaborHojtsy: it's either that, or it's a "training" on training day.
[6:09pm] Kristen_Pol: if it's an hour, I don't see how it can be hands on
[6:10pm] YesCT: the organizers would not budge.
[6:10pm] Kristen_Pol: 1 hour = demo / 2.5+ hours = hands-on
[6:10pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT: I don!t think hands-on is possible in an hour
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[6:10pm] YesCT: GaborHojtsy: Kristen_Pol: then ... I guess we do it as a demo.
[6:10pm] YesCT: I dont want to re-work a whole new presentation though.
[6:10pm] YesCT: so would prefer to work with the same script you all have been using.
[6:11pm] YesCT: and just cut bits out that we dont have time fore.
[6:11pm] Kristen_Pol: well… if it's just a demo then it can be shorter… and cut out some stuff
[6:11pm] Kristen_Pol: bummer they wont' allow longer
[6:11pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT: well, we have the slides for a coherent talk for an hour with video cuts of some things
[6:12pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT: that I and Schnitzel presented before
[6:12pm] YesCT: GaborHojtsy: yeah.
[6:12pm] GaborHojtsy: I just presented it this past Fri at DrupalCamp Oslo from my bed at home :D
[6:12pm] YesCT: but updating that is a "todo" ... oh..
[6:12pm] Kristen_Pol: !!
[6:13pm] GaborHojtsy: well, I think its fully up to date
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[6:13pm] YesCT: cools.
[6:13pm] Kristen_Pol: GaborHojtsy:  glad you are recovering well
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[6:13pm] • GaborHojtsy too :D
[6:13pm] GaborHojtsy: anyway, thanks for the workshop info Kristen_Pol, YesCT, very useful
[6:13pm] GaborHojtsy: Kristen_Pol++
[6:14pm] GaborHojtsy: if anyone has 2h+ at an event, we have the workshop open sourced at http://www.drupal8multilingual.org/workshop :)
[6:14pm] Kristen_Pol: thanks… I'll fill aimeeraed in… she's doing some sales stuff at the moment
[6:14pm] GaborHojtsy: let people know, bring this to more events :)
[6:14pm] GaborHojtsy: let’s make chx’s predictions true :D
[6:14pm] Kristen_Pol: :)
[6:14pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT: wanna go next?
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[6:15pm] plach: GaborHojtsy: I am not planning to work on IPE or commerce for now :D
[6:16pm] GaborHojtsy: plach: not those predictions, no :D
[6:16pm] YesCT: GaborHojtsy: sure.
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[6:17pm] YesCT: GaborHojtsy: so worked with DualFr at badcamp.
[6:17pm] YesCT: They are also an organizer for dev days France.
[6:17pm] YesCT: Worked on a sort test for taxonomy autocomplete (and fixing it so it is back to sorted by name/label)
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[6:18pm] YesCT: https://www.drupal.org/node/2374301
[6:18pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2374301 => Cannot predict the order of results in taxonomy autocompletion [#2374301] => 20 comments, 4 IRC mentions
[6:19pm] YesCT: GaborHojtsy: have not looked at what it does with translated term titles/labels/names.
[6:19pm] YesCT: GaborHojtsy: I would like to consider translation and that in a separate issue.
[6:19pm] YesCT: so I'm not going to mention it on that issue.
[6:20pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT: that would be scope screep yeah
[6:20pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT: we have the same problem generally for entity reference since …. DrupalCamp Vienna :D
[6:20pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT: https://www.drupal.org/node/2144377
[6:20pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2144377 => Entity reference always searches node titles in default language only [#2144377] => 137 comments, 1 IRC mention
[6:20pm] GaborHojtsy: Posted by ti2m on November 26, 2013 at 1:34pm
[6:21pm] GaborHojtsy: taxonomy term is for most things a special case of entity reference
[6:21pm] YesCT: mm.
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[6:22pm] YesCT: I know a bit about ER and taxonomy things.
[6:22pm] YesCT: https://www.drupal.org/node/1847596
[6:23pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/1847596 => Remove Taxonomy term reference field in favor of Entity reference [#1847596] => 177 comments, 3 IRC mentions
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[6:24pm] YesCT: blocked https://www.drupal.org/node/1120144 which I had working for d8.
[6:24pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/1120144 => Term Reference Autocomplete widget - add option to match only start of term and expose settings (size, match) [#1120144] => 50 comments, 1 IRC mention
[6:24pm] YesCT: Monday I went through all the Normal Tasks, tagged Novice, that I was already Following.
[6:24pm] YesCT: about 30
[6:24pm] YesCT: and evaluted them for allowed in the beta or not.
[6:24pm] YesCT: beta?
[6:24pm] Druplicon: beta is Drupal 8 is currently in beta: https://www.drupal.org/node/2357303 | Allowed changes during the beta phase: https://www.drupal.org/core/beta-changes | Contributor task: https://www.drupal.org/contributor-tasks/update-allowed-beta
[6:24pm] YesCT: I got some good clarity and feedback since then.
[6:25pm] YesCT: And so next, is to do the same thing but for D8MI issues.
[6:25pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT: anything we can help with?
[6:25pm] YesCT: so forgive me as I will turn the d8mi issue queue a bit upside down.
[6:25pm] YesCT: yes.
[6:25pm] YesCT: on any issue you comment on, please check the issue summary.
[6:25pm] YesCT: if there is not already a section about allowed in d8 beta, please add it.
[6:26pm] YesCT: https://www.drupal.org/contributor-tasks/update-allowed-beta
[6:26pm] YesCT: is a contributor task document that says how to do it.
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[6:26pm] YesCT: and the new dreditor update
[6:26pm] YesCT: dreditor?
[6:26pm] Druplicon: Dreditor is a browser extension for drupal.org. It helps improve the overall user experience and functionality for Drupal contributors and power users. You can download the latest version from https://dreditor.org.
[6:26pm] YesCT: has a new button which inserts the beta evaluation template.
[6:27pm] penyaskito: awesome, didnt know
[6:27pm] YesCT: the most at risk things for postponing to 9.x or 8.1.x are feature requests and normal (or minor) tasks.
[6:27pm] YesCT: this is important, because we dont want people working on issues that wont be committed to 8.0.x
[6:28pm] YesCT: (so they wont be committed for 1 -2 years or something)
[6:28pm] YesCT: it is bad feelings
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[6:28pm] YesCT: and a wasted resource.
[6:28pm] YesCT: for new contributors... they should work on bugs.
[6:28pm] YesCT: those are much more likely to get committed.
[6:29pm] YesCT: I'm also feeling really overwelmed with having ideas (and pressure that people expect me) to improve the new contributor experience
[6:29pm] YesCT: via improving d.o issue queue, d.o, and docs
[6:29pm] YesCT: but I dont have enough time to do that, and work on criticals, and do this issue queue triaging...
[6:30pm] plach: yep, I know that feeling
[6:30pm] plach: :)
[6:30pm] YesCT: so what you all could do to help is encourage people from your work, or local user groups who are not already over committed to come to office hours.
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[6:30pm] YesCT: or join #drupal-contribute
[6:30pm] YesCT: or ping me in irc.
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[6:31pm] YesCT: I need some people I can give small organizational type tasks to.
[6:31pm] YesCT: so they dont need to be d8 php experts.
[6:31pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT: ok, as for D8MI, we can direct people to the sprint, which does have different level issues
[6:31pm] YesCT: and you all are already overcommitted. so I want to be clear I'm not asking for your help in that way. you have enough to do.
[6:31pm] YesCT: that's it for me.
[6:32pm] YesCT: as always, if you have specific issues that need review, ping me.
[6:33pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT++
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[6:33pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT: thanks for all the meta-work and also to bring D8MI to Bogota :)
[6:33pm] GaborHojtsy: will have lots of interest hopefully :)
[6:33pm] GaborHojtsy: plach: wanna go next?
[6:34pm] plach: GaborHojtsy: sure
[6:34pm] YesCT: GaborHojtsy: :)
[6:35pm] plach: saturday I was in Milan for a daily sprint and since I was mentoring and I could get much done I started organizing my future work
[6:35pm] plach: I'd like to close the language entity key and widget issues
[6:35pm] plach: and then focusing on criticals
[6:36pm] plach: since the last time I worked a bit on the language entity key issue
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[6:36pm] plach: https://www.drupal.org/node/2143729
[6:36pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2143729 => Regression: Entity definitions miss a language entity key [#2143729] => 113 comments, 2 IRC mentions
[6:36pm] plach: and reviewed/tested https://www.drupal.org/node/2230637
[6:36pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2230637 => Create a Language widget [#2230637] => 87 comments, 37 IRC mentions
[6:37pm] plach: (I also provided a few test fixes that made me realize we really need the other issue done ASAP)
[6:37pm] GaborHojtsy: plach: is working with franSeva working there?
[6:37pm] plach: this is the list I will be looking at next:
[6:38pm] plach: https://www.drupal.org/project/issues/search/drupal?project_issue_followers=&status[]=Open&priorities[]=400&version[]=8.x&component[]=entity+system&component[]=field+system&component[]=language+system&component[]=content_translation.module&component[]=language.module&issue_tags_op=%3D
[6:38pm] plach: GaborHojtsy: yup, I wanted to exploit the meeting to discuss his doubt
[6:38pm] plach: but unfortunately he's not here
[6:38pm] GaborHojtsy: yeah he said he will not be able to make it
[6:39pm] plach: np, I will try to follow-up on the issue
[6:39pm] plach: next issues I'll work on are https://www.drupal.org/node/2232477
[6:39pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2232477 => Fatal when adding new fields with NOT NULL constraints in a base table that contains existing entities [#2232477] => 57 comments, 12 IRC mentions
[6:39pm] plach: to unblock https://www.drupal.org/node/1916790
[6:39pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/1916790 => Convert translation metadata into regular entity fields [#1916790] => 114 comments, 20 IRC mentions
[6:40pm] plach: in general I will try to work on issues preventing swapping between monolingual and multilingual schema
[6:40pm] plach: and the related Views stufff
[6:41pm] plach: in particular https://www.drupal.org/node/2341323
[6:41pm] GaborHojtsy: plach: amazing :)
[6:41pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2341323 => [pp-1] Figure out what to do in Views when entity schema changes [#2341323] => 11 comments, 6 IRC mentions
[6:41pm] plach: and sons
[6:41pm] GaborHojtsy: plach: I am not sure I can help directly but if you need me to summon others, I cn help with that at least :)
[6:41pm] plach: that's it :)
[6:41pm] plach: GaborHojtsy: well, I wanted to ask you a clarification about
[6:42pm] plach: https://www.drupal.org/node/2230637#comment-9345117
[6:42pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2230637 => Create a Language widget [#2230637] => 87 comments, 38 IRC mentions
[6:43pm] GaborHojtsy: plach: yeah?
[6:43pm] plach: IIRC the user language preference widget also sets the user entity language right? 
[6:43pm] GaborHojtsy: plach: yup right now yes
[6:43pm] plach: but that is displayed based on the related negotiation plugin being enabled I think
[6:43pm] plach: it's not tied to the content language settings
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[6:43pm] plach: corrct?
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[6:45pm] • vijaycs85 missed the D8MI meeting again :/
[6:45pm] plach: GaborHojtsy: ^
[6:46pm] GaborHojtsy: plach: I think users can set a preferred language even if that negotiation is not set
[6:46pm] GaborHojtsy: plach: then its used for eg. email tet
[6:46pm] plach: really? oh, maybe it's the admin language widget that's hidden based on the negotiation plugin
[6:46pm] GaborHojtsy: text
[6:46pm] GaborHojtsy: plach: yeah that one
[6:47pm] plach: ok
[6:47pm] plach: GaborHojtsy: anyway, should the plain language preference subject to the content language settings?
[6:47pm] plach: personally I don't think so
[6:48pm] plach: meaning: should it be possible to hide it?
[6:48pm] plach: I cannot think of a valid use case fromt he top of my head
[6:48pm] plach: but maybe there os
[6:48pm] GaborHojtsy: plach: well I don’t thinkw e thought this through deeply, it is there for consistency
[6:49pm] plach: would it make sense to make it visibile by default but hideable if settings are changed?
[6:49pm] plach: GaborHojtsy: no need to answer now, but that's what I was wondering on the language widget issue
[6:50pm] plach: (done :)
[6:50pm] GaborHojtsy: plach: maybe :D looking at AccountForm.php it is only hidden if on the reg form or if the user has no admin users perms
[6:51pm] GaborHojtsy: plach: there is no way to turn that off/on now
[6:51pm] plach: no admin perms?
[6:51pm] plach: isn't that the default use case?
[6:51pm] GaborHojtsy:       // Display language selector when either creating a user on the admin
[6:51pm] GaborHojtsy:       // interface or editing a user account.
[6:51pm] GaborHojtsy:       '#access' => !$register || $user->hasPermission('administer users'),
[6:52pm] GaborHojtsy: is the current logic
[6:52pm] GaborHojtsy: let’s discuss this further on the issue and give others a chance for their turn :)
[6:52pm] GaborHojtsy: plach++
[6:52pm] GaborHojtsy: vijaycs85: did not miss the meeting, what about you?
[6:53pm] plach: ok
[6:53pm] • penyaskito plans to buy a multitz clock for vijaycs85 for Saturnalia
[6:55pm] GaborHojtsy: ok no vijaycs85, penyaskito?
[6:55pm] YesCT: plach: GaborHojtsy: I thought we hid the language admin pref if admin language negotiation was not enabled.
[6:56pm] YesCT: GaborHojtsy: vijaycs85 is here, just got here a little late. (I think)
[6:56pm] YesCT: oh. nvm.
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[6:57pm] GaborHojtsy: neither penyaskito nor vijaycs85 wanna discuss your work? :)
[6:57pm] GaborHojtsy: oh we lost vijaycs85 :/
[6:58pm] GaborHojtsy: I don’t think we have others who did not have their turns yet
[6:59pm] GaborHojtsy: that’s it for our meeting then :)
[6:59pm] GaborHojtsy: thanks all for coming, keep rocking!
[7:00pm] plach: :)
[7:00pm] GaborHojtsy: plach++
[7:00pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT++
[7:00pm] penyaskito: I just put my commnet on https://www.drupal.org/node/2355909, nothing more to say this week
[7:00pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2355909 => language.settings config is not scalable [#2355909] => 78 comments, 43 IRC mentions
[7:00pm] plach: GaborHojtsy++
[7:00pm] plach: YesCT++
[7:00pm] penyaskito: plach++
[7:00pm] plach: penyaskito++
[7:00pm] GaborHojtsy: penyaskito++
[7:00pm] penyaskito: YesCT++
[7:00pm] penyaskito: GaborHojtsy++
[7:00pm] GaborHojtsy: vijaycs85++
[7:00pm] penyaskito: vijaycs85++
[7:01pm] GaborHojtsy: Kristen_Pol++
[7:01pm] plach: vijaycs85++
[7:01pm] penyaskito: franseva++
[7:01pm] penyaskito: Kristen_Pol++
[7:01pm] GaborHojtsy: franseva++
[7:01pm] plach: Kristen_Pol++
[7:01pm] GaborHojtsy: d8mi++
[7:01pm] plach: franseva++
[7:01pm] penyaskito: d8mi++
[7:01pm] penyaskito: d*mi++
[7:01pm] plach: d8mi++
[7:01pm] penyaskito: webflo++
[7:01pm] YesCT: GaborHojtsy++
[7:01pm] penyaskito: tstoeckler++
[7:01pm] YesCT: plach++
[7:01pm] YesCT: Kristen_Pol++
[7:01pm] YesCT: vijaycs85++
[7:01pm] GaborHojtsy: webflo++
[7:01pm] YesCT: penyaskito++
[7:01pm] GaborHojtsy: tstoeckler++
[7:01pm] YesCT: d8mi++
[7:01pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon++
[7:01pm] GaborHojtsy: alexpott++
[7:02pm] penyaskito: jhodgdon++
[7:02pm] penyaskito: alexpott+ü
[7:02pm] penyaskito: alexpott++