[5:00pm] GaborHojtsy: D8MI meting!
[5:00pm] GaborHojtsy: who is here for the meeting?
[5:00pm] YesCT: I'm not actually google.. I'm looking at http://drupal.org/node/1763640
[5:00pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1763640 => Introduce config context to make config consistent and accessible in different languages => Drupal core, configuration system, major, needs review, 40 comments, 22 IRC mentions
[5:00pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT: good, good #evilgrin
[5:01pm] Sutharsan: .
[5:02pm] GaborHojtsy: Sutharsan: hi
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[5:02pm] Sutharsan: GaborHojtsy: hi
[5:03pm] GaborHojtsy: Sutharsan: I think your issue should be all fine, we figured out the sqlite-only bug that webchick produced yesterday
[5:03pm] GaborHojtsy: webchick: hi!
[5:03pm] Sutharsan: GaborHojtsy: thanks, I followed the discussion. Great work.
[5:04pm] GaborHojtsy: Sutharsan: yeah it was mostly reyero figuring it all out  I merely followed the breadcrumb he identified
[5:04pm] reyero: Hi
[5:04pm] Druplicon: sup
[5:05pm] reyero:  So what's left?
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[5:07pm] GaborHojtsy: webchick just committed https://drupal.org/node/1854838
[5:07pm] Druplicon: https://drupal.org/node/1854838 => Locale should not use fetchObject with a classname, WSOD on sqlite => Drupal core, locale.module, critical, fixed, 12 comments, 3 IRC mentions
[5:07pm] YesCT: webchick++
[5:08pm] GaborHojtsy: so I guess the question is if she has time for http://drupal.org/node/1804688
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[5:08pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1804688 => Download and import interface translations => Drupal core, locale.module, major, reviewed & tested by the community, 118 comments, 62 IRC mentions
[5:08pm] GaborHojtsy: webchick++
[5:08pm] GaborHojtsy: indeed
[5:08pm] Sutharsan: webchick: ++
[5:08pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: then reroll the metadata patch I guess which will be reviewed and hopefully committed over the weekend
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[5:08pm] YesCT: http://hojtsy.hu/d8mi/focus
[5:09pm] GaborHojtsy: also http://drupal.org/node/1804702 should be possible to review
[5:09pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1804702 => Display interface translation status => Drupal core, locale.module, normal, needs work, 57 comments, 31 IRC mentions
[5:09pm] YesCT: meh. focus not working for me.
[5:10pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT: http://drupal.org/project/issues/search/drupal?issue_tags=sprint%2C+D8MI&issue_tags_op=and should be the same thing
[5:10pm] YesCT: create workflow is fine. webchick says that will get committed as soon as .. well I think it ready now.
[5:10pm] Sutharsan: GaborHojtsy: I'm working on http://drupal.org/node/1804702. Not really  for review yet
[5:10pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1804702 => Display interface translation status => Drupal core, locale.module, normal, needs work, 57 comments, 32 IRC mentions
[5:11pm] YesCT: http://drupal.org/node/1810386
[5:11pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1810386 => Create workflow to setup multilingual for entity types, bundles and fields => Drupal core, translation_entity.module, major, needs review, 104 comments, 28 IRC mentions
[5:11pm] YesCT: just needs a review to rtbc it. follow-ups are all created.
[5:11pm] GaborHojtsy: webchick: is it remotely possible you happen to have time now-ish to review http://drupal.org/node/1804688 again?  we are in the middle of the D8MI weekly meeting and everybody is around to figure out things if needed for about 49 more minutes
[5:11pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1804688 => Download and import interface translations => Drupal core, locale.module, major, reviewed & tested by the community, 118 comments, 63 IRC mentions
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[5:12pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT: for the workflow patch, I think it would be important to note that the current UI is still equivalent to #88
[5:12pm] GaborHojtsy: for Bojhan's possible review
[5:12pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT: or if not, it needs new screenshots
[5:14pm] YesCT: it needs a new screenshot.. kind of. The entity type/contentypes are bolded now as requested. but it's pretty much the same.
[5:14pm] YesCT: I wont be able to do that today as I'm about to go into the river and afk
[5:14pm] YesCT: no rush there though.
[5:14pm] YesCT: just would be good to get it wrapped up because plach worked so hard on it.
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[5:15pm] YesCT: do we need to tweet at Michael again? is that issue qualifying for feature completion phase? I think we need to just go down the checklist for that on.
[5:15pm] YesCT: one
[5:15pm] webchick: GaborHojtsy: hey there!
[5:16pm] webchick: Let me get through my inbox, and then possibly!
[5:16pm] YesCT: handy checklist is:
[5:16pm] YesCT: feature completion phase?
[5:16pm] Druplicon: feature completion phase is Dec 1 2012 to Feb 18 2013. | See: http://buytaert.net/drupal-8-feature-freeze-extended | Criteria: Already well underway, patch within two weeks, community reviews, passing or nearly passing tests, clear path to completion; all at committer discretion.
[5:17pm] GaborHojtsy: webchick: thanks!
[5:17pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT: I think it qualifies
[5:17pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT: also if there is no node-copy translation, it is a regression, because if this is not solved, there is no per-translation permission
[5:22pm] GaborHojtsy: Sutharsan: msg-ed the info to balintk that you are on that patch
[5:25pm] • YesCT YesCT|river
[5:27pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT: have fun!
[5:30pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: tweeted https://twitter.com/gaborhojtsy/status/274550952340639744 maybe it helps to get reviews on context
[5:31pm] GaborHojtsy: Druplicon: tell heyrocker your feedback on the CMI context patch would be invaluable: http://drupal.org/node/1763640
[5:31pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1763640 => Introduce config context to make config consistent and accessible in different languages => Drupal core, configuration system, major, needs review, 40 comments, 23 IRC mentions
[5:31pm] Druplicon: GaborHojtsy: I'll pass that on when heyrocker is around.
[5:31pm] GaborHojtsy: Druplicon: tell alexpott your feedback on the CMI context patch would be amazing  http://drupal.org/node/1763640 thanks!
[5:31pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1763640 => Introduce config context to make config consistent and accessible in different languages => Drupal core, configuration system, major, needs review, 42 comments, 24 IRC mentions
[5:31pm] Druplicon: GaborHojtsy: I'll pass that on when alexpott is around.
[5:32pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: cool, retweeted
[5:36pm] GaborHojtsy: anybody else wanna talk about their pet patches?
[5:36pm] GaborHojtsy: oh, BTW
[5:36pm] GaborHojtsy: before that one
[5:36pm] GaborHojtsy: I'd like to return to meetings every other Wed in the time we had before
[5:37pm] GaborHojtsy: removing the Fri meetings every other week
[5:37pm] GaborHojtsy: I think / hope we'll be able to cope proper with less time people would need to be at their computers
[5:37pm] GaborHojtsy: and friday late afternoons I would spend differently
[5:38pm] GaborHojtsy: also went ahead and created a shared calendar with the meeting times: https://www.google.com/calendar/render?cid=dam0221tfl5ehajftlpkskhgsk%40group.calendar.google.com
[5:38pm] GaborHojtsy: embedded it in the sidebar in http://hojtsy.hu/d8mi
[5:39pm] GaborHojtsy: so people who want to sign up for stable reminders for all meetings can just sign up for that calendar
[5:39pm] GaborHojtsy: the other thing
[5:39pm] GaborHojtsy: is that myself and István Palócz conducted user testing of the [a] language addition screens [b] the wizard for entity translation and [c] the entity translation UI itself over last weekend on 5 participants
[5:40pm] GaborHojtsy: you can watch the videos on youtube but they are all in Hungarian
[5:40pm] GaborHojtsy: http://www.youtube.com/user/gaborhojtsy first two
[5:40pm] GaborHojtsy: and https://www.youtube.com/user/paloczistvan/videos?view=0 first two
[5:40pm] GaborHojtsy: the 5th was not recorded due to technical reasons
[5:41pm] GaborHojtsy: I plan to write up feedback from those early next week
[5:41pm] GaborHojtsy: (already posted some preliminary stuff on the ET wizard issue)
[5:41pm] GaborHojtsy: so that should help with some usability improvements to make to these
[5:41pm] GaborHojtsy: one already happening is http://drupal.org/node/1853720
[5:41pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1853720 => Hide language selection option is backwards => Drupal core, language.module, normal, needs work, 8 comments, 1 IRC mention
[5:42pm] GaborHojtsy: once we have some of these improvements in, it makes sense to test the UIs again with other people
[5:42pm] GaborHojtsy: so I tweeted that I'm recruiting people to help test these things
[5:44pm] GaborHojtsy: will meet with Ranko Marinic tomorrow to discuss doing user tests at the Balkan Summit in Zagreb
[5:44pm] GaborHojtsy: I think there are lots of exciting opportunities there to improve how we expose features and how to make it work for people
[5:44pm] GaborHojtsy: it was very educational for me to see people use the UI and go into traps I never envisioned
[5:45pm] GaborHojtsy: anyway, if you want to perform tests or know people who want to, then contact me
[5:45pm] GaborHojtsy: http://hojtsy.hu/contact
[5:45pm] GaborHojtsy: that is it for announcements
[5:45pm] GaborHojtsy: any objections / better ideas for returning to Wed meetings?
[5:47pm] reyero: not really, only I'll miss you guys every week
[5:48pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: eh
[5:48pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: would the same day work earlier or later?
[5:49pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: I'm personally ok with any day, any hour as long as it keeps stable
[5:51pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: hum, well, Wed was stable forever
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[5:52pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: we just added this Fri one two months ago and now I'm proposing to remove it and keep the Wed ones only
[5:52pm] GaborHojtsy: I know the Wed time was not that good for everybody at the time
[5:52pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: yup, my issue was with "every other wed", so I never remember whether it's this week or the next one
[5:52pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: haha, so you are in my target with setting up https://www.google.com/calendar/render?cid=dam0221tfl5ehajftlpkskhgsk%40group.calendar.google.com
[5:53pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: right, that will help a lot
[5:53pm] GaborHojtsy: very good
[5:53pm] GaborHojtsy: was about time I guess
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[5:54pm] GaborHojtsy: some of my process plans include revamping the rocketship UI to support the post-freeze workflow better (we need multiple board with things like usability issues, testing, major technical issues, etc.)
[5:54pm] GaborHojtsy: so we can send people with different preferences to different places
[5:54pm] GaborHojtsy: also doing lots of user testing, etc
[5:54pm] GaborHojtsy: but first is getting in our stuff now
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[5:59pm] GaborHojtsy: looks like webchick got trapped in email hell
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[6:07pm] webchick: No, I got trapped in Views/sun hell
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[6:08pm] reyero: lol
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[6:11pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: Watching this Hungarian videos  I cannot tell because it's Hungarian but I'd say you're giving too many clues
[6:11pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: hehe, I don't think so D
[6:12pm] GaborHojtsy: webchick: fun stuff
[6:12pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: we'll never know
[6:12pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: eg. Tamás Pintér totally got lost thinking "Multiple" is the language choice when you want to make something translatable and really stuck to that for like 15 minutes
[6:13pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: oh  yes, that is the one I am watching
[6:14pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: haha
[6:14pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: he also had some English difficulties, so I tried to accurately translate texts without giving anything away
[6:14pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: which is maybe why I'm talking too much
[6:15pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: the thing is we ideally want to test these with people building foreign language sites, but the majority of them are probably not very good English speakers (which both means we cannot do videos that the community at large will understand and that since D8 does not have a translation, they need to use the English UI)
[6:16pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: for the same reason that English speaking contries at large are not that good in figuring out there are other languages in the world?
[6:16pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: yeah
[6:20pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: well, this is interesting stuff... I'm thinking had we ever run usability tests for multilingual stuff comparing ET and node translation
[6:20pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: ... we would have never got into ET
[6:20pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: haha
[6:21pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: seriously.... create node / translate node is way more straightforward
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[6:23pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: it depends
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[6:27pm] GaborHojtsy: so I guess we are at the mercy of core committer attention now
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[6:27pm] GaborHojtsy: with two major patches RTBC and most others dependent on those
[6:28pm] GaborHojtsy: I'll try to be around a bit more today to help webchick in case of any questions, but no guarantees of timing from here either
[6:28pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: I'll be around for a while too
[6:29pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: superb, thanks!