[5:03pm] GaborHojtsy: D8MI meeting time!
[5:03pm] GaborHojtsy: (and I was 3 min late)
[5:03pm] GaborHojtsy: who is here for the meeting?
[5:04pm] Sutharsan: me
[5:04pm] attiks: GaborHojtsy: I've to pickup my kids in 5 minuts, so better be quick
[5:04pm] GaborHojtsy: attiks: ha!
[5:05pm] GaborHojtsy: attiks: if you can help reviewing http://drupal.org/node/1742894 anytime, that would be superb
[5:05pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1742894 => Get status of local and remote translation files => Drupal core, locale.module, major, needs review, 19 comments, 9 IRC mentions
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[5:05pm] das-peter: I'll try hard to be not distracted
[5:05pm] attiks: GaborHojtsy: I'll review it tonight
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[5:06pm] GaborHojtsy: attiks: superb, thanks!!
[5:06pm] GaborHojtsy: Sutharsan: hi!
[5:07pm] GaborHojtsy: Sutharsan: thanks for your continued hard work, tried to put some people on the issue in return
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[5:07pm] GaborHojtsy: Sutharsan: or rather ask them to look
[5:07pm] Sutharsan: GaborHojtsy: I saw that. Thanks!
[5:08pm] GaborHojtsy: Sutharsan: what do you think how many big pieces there are left?
[5:12pm] Sutharsan: GaborHojtsy: at least two: 1. Downloading and importing the translation 2.presentation of translation status.
[5:12pm] GaborHojtsy: Sutharsan: ok, it would be great to have an issue open for each so we can keep track of that on the focus board and tag accordingly
[5:12pm] GaborHojtsy: Sutharsan: it would be fabulous if we can have a summary of all the major issues left until Dec 1st
[5:13pm] Sutharsan: The summary could be written in http://drupal.org/node/1191488
[5:13pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1191488 => META: Integrate l10n_update functionality in core => Drupal core, locale.module, normal, active, 15 comments, 6 IRC mentions
[5:14pm] Sutharsan: GaborHojtsy: I can create two issues and write some lines about each of the pices
[5:14pm] Sutharsan: *pieces
[5:15pm] GaborHojtsy: Sutharsan: that would be perfect!
[5:15pm] GaborHojtsy: Sutharsan: please tag them with D8MI and sprint and if not appropriate yet, then also postponed
[5:16pm] GaborHojtsy: Sutharsan: I think we had extensive UI discussions before and Bojhan has some simple suggestions for integration in the update module UI
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[5:17pm] GaborHojtsy: Sutharsan: so that could be built on that
[5:17pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: hey, anything you wanted to discuss about the CMI stuff?
[5:17pm] GaborHojtsy: any help or specific reviews needed?
[5:18pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: Well, I rather have some ideas for the translation workflow issue, let me find it..
[5:19pm] reyero: Here it is http://drupal.org/node/1777070
[5:19pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1777070 => Translation workflow for configuration strings => Drupal core, configuration system, major, needs review, 9 comments, 9 IRC mentions
[5:20pm] reyero: So I was thinking (about storing config location and name with the strings), and after having seen the locale javascript related code, this:
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[5:20pm] reyero: We may want to move source's location to a different (many to one) table so a string can have different rows in there
[5:21pm] reyero: that will work for better queries when finding which strings belong to js files
[5:21pm] reyero: and also will work for configuration names
[5:21pm] reyero: (and we save one field when doing generic queries)
[5:22pm] reyero: create table locale_location (lid, type, name)
[5:22pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: yeah, that sounds interesting indeed
[5:23pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: I fear a 'side project' thing there as well, but its hard to clearly integrate this with CMI anyway without it
[5:24pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: Yeah, you can add as many rows as you want there, and if we get the new locale API in, that won't mean changing almost any code at all
[5:24pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: right, that sounds good
[5:24pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: Because handling of locations will be in the LocaleSource object
[5:24pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: we need to factor in timing though
[5:24pm] GaborHojtsy: 57 days to go!
[5:25pm] GaborHojtsy: that is 8 weeks
[5:25pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: so I assume that would be its own issue to refactor location information
[5:26pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: Timing is fine for me, I only have these three issues in my to do list: metadata, locale API, strings workflow
[5:26pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: ok, I'm getting a little worried  but you churn through things as a pro
[5:28pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: well, this year's goal for me is getting the f*ing configuration translated at once
[5:28pm] GaborHojtsy:
[5:29pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: ok, so as soon as you post the locale API stuff, I'll try to be there to review (although unlikely that I'll have time over the weekend)
[5:29pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: but of course anybody reading would be welcome there too
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[5:29pm] GaborHojtsy: no plach?
[5:29pm] GaborHojtsy: hm
[5:30pm] GaborHojtsy: place is also working on a big update to the entity translation patch and YesCT got some reviews in for UX stuff including Bojhan's suggestions and would have loved to talk about that
[5:30pm] reyero: running (final) tests on my box atm
[5:30pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: cool
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[5:34pm] GaborHojtsy: das-peter: do you have any resources to be involved with one of the big sub-initiatives?
[5:35pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: Btw, I'm finding other minor issues as I'm polishing this patch, like export notices, strings marked as customized when not changed, etc..
[5:36pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: Though I'm tempted to fix them right away as a part of the patch, I think I better don't, and will be opening one or two issues next week
[5:39pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: that's good
[5:39pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: also we can work on those things 8 weeks from now
[5:40pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: so long as its tagged for D8MI we'll return to that list after dec 1st
[5:40pm] GaborHojtsy: AFAIS we need to ruthlessly prioritise now
[5:40pm] GaborHojtsy: 8 weeks is not much
[5:42pm] das-peter: GaborHojtsy: I can't promise anything because I've to do all the stuff in my spare time - but I'll do my best if you assign me to an issue or whatever
[5:43pm] GaborHojtsy: das-peter: reviewing http://drupal.org/node/1777070 or http://drupal.org/node/1188388 or starting work on http://drupal.org/node/1498674 would be great things to do
[5:43pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1777070 => Translation workflow for configuration strings => Drupal core, configuration system, major, needs review, 9 comments, 10 IRC mentions
[5:43pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1188388 => Entity translation UI in core => Drupal core, entity system, critical, needs work, 65 comments, 11 IRC mentions
[5:43pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1498674 => Refactor node properties to multilingual => Drupal core, node system, major, needs work, 17 comments, 7 IRC mentions
[5:43pm] GaborHojtsy: das-peter: pick your preference
[5:43pm] GaborHojtsy: das-peter: noted that you might not work on it anyway, trying to assign things to multiple people
[5:43pm] das-peter: GaborHojtsy: I'll put that on my to do list.
[5:44pm] GaborHojtsy: das-peter: just post patches frequently, e.g. if you want to work on http://drupal.org/node/1498674, I've also asked YesCT before but she might not have time, and plach said weeks ago he would look at it, but he is busy with the general translation ui obviously
[5:44pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1498674 => Refactor node properties to multilingual => Drupal core, node system, major, needs work, 17 comments, 8 IRC mentions
[5:44pm] GaborHojtsy: das-peter: so we need some producing, but at this point more reviewing
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[5:44pm] GaborHojtsy: das-peter: thanks in advance
[5:44pm] das-peter: GaborHojtsy: That issue sounds interessting I might give it a shot tomorrow.
[5:45pm] GaborHojtsy: das-peter: cool  the entity_test schema has the pattern to apply
[5:45pm] GaborHojtsy: das-peter: and the entity handler for entity_test
[5:45pm] GaborHojtsy: das-peter: basically that needs to be ported to nodes
[5:45pm] das-peter: GaborHojtsy: Thanks for the hints.
[5:46pm] GaborHojtsy: alexpott: hi, any chance you might have time to take a look at the metadata patch or some of the other CMI D8MI issues?
[5:46pm] GaborHojtsy: das-peter: thank you
[5:47pm] alexpott: GaborHojtsy: I'm failing to do as much as I'd like atm… competing priorities  … I'll do my best but I'm aware that I've been promising to look at the meta data patch for ages… and I've done nothing more than skim it so far.
[5:48pm] GaborHojtsy: alexpott: hm, thanks anyway
[5:48pm] GaborHojtsy: alexpott: I've seen hey rocker might be back in the field again, not sure in what capacity
[5:49pm] alexpott: GaborHojtsy: I just don't want to make a promise and not keep it… heyrocker was looking at the meta data patch yesterday.
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[5:50pm] cosmicdreams: hello all
[5:50pm] GaborHojtsy: alexpott: yeah, he left a somewhat vague comment, trying to figure it out with questions there
[5:50pm] GaborHojtsy: cosmicdreams: hi, working on date stuff?
[5:50pm] cosmicdreams: yes
[5:51pm] cosmicdreams: yes I will once, my work-life gets back under control
[5:51pm] cosmicdreams: I'm having to put in some crazy days here until we get some more drupal devs
[5:51pm] cosmicdreams: GaborHojtsy: I'm mostly interested on implementing multi-lingual CMI config
[5:52pm] cosmicdreams: chx has said that I should have everything I need to get that done.
[5:52pm] cosmicdreams: Or at least I think that's what he was saying.
[5:52pm] cosmicdreams: I've getting a lot of what he's telling me mixed up (and I think I'm upsetting him when I do)
[5:52pm] cosmicdreams: so I'm hesitant to even mention that.
[5:52pm] GaborHojtsy: cosmicdreams: hehe
[5:53pm] GaborHojtsy: cosmicdreams: reyero is working on various issue to get that to "completion"
[5:53pm] cosmicdreams: GaborHojtsy: if you could point me to the information I need to understand how to handle the internationalization of date formats I would be very happy
[5:53pm] GaborHojtsy: cosmicdreams: http://hojtsy.hu/d8mi/focus under configuration language headings
[5:53pm] cosmicdreams: Thank you!
[5:53pm] cosmicdreams: Hmm...........
[5:54pm] cosmicdreams: I'm getting a WSOD (White screen of death)
[5:54pm] cosmicdreams: ....hmmmm... but not on the home page
[5:54pm] cosmicdreams: or on http://hojtsy.hu/d8mi
[5:54pm] cosmicdreams: ah now it works
[5:55pm] GaborHojtsy: cosmicdreams: http://drupal.org/node/1646580 is the base issue we have
[5:55pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1646580 => Implement Config Events and Listeners, and storage realms for localized configuration => Drupal core, configuration system, normal, closed (fixed), 71 comments, 33 IRC mentions
[5:55pm] cosmicdreams: GaborHojtsy: I wish I could tell you that I am going to help review these issues this weekend, but I can not
[5:55pm] GaborHojtsy: cosmicdreams: so that should show how translated values are/will be stored
[5:55pm] cosmicdreams: GaborHojtsy: I am already planning on putting a full weekend of work in and things probably won't clear up for me until Wednesday
[5:56pm] cosmicdreams: GaborHojtsy: But knowing how to use this code is a high priority for me.  So I'm hopeful I can help out this month.
[5:57pm] GaborHojtsy: cosmicdreams: yeah, so we can load different language values now
[5:57pm] cosmicdreams: Great!
[5:57pm] GaborHojtsy: cosmicdreams: reyero is working on missing pieces to actually pre-translate shipped config (think shipped views, etc)
[5:57pm] cosmicdreams: Right
[5:57pm] GaborHojtsy: cosmicdreams: as well as mark translatable strings for that and be able to load config in various contexts / languages
[5:58pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: btw, is langcode 'tagging' for the base language version discarded?
[5:58pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: or how will we know the langcode for a contact form or a view?
[5:58pm] cosmicdreams: In general, is the plan to use seperate files (1 per language/culture/group of words to use)  or one file to rule them all?
[5:58pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: keep assuming site default language?
[5:58pm] cosmicdreams: (not judging or wanting to quibble about implementation)
[5:58pm] GaborHojtsy: cosmicdreams: language override files that only have the translations and are merged in
[5:59pm] cosmicdreams: Ok, so then there is a base file, and then an additional file is overlayed
[5:59pm] cosmicdreams: gotcha
[5:59pm] GaborHojtsy: cosmicdreams: yup
[5:59pm] GaborHojtsy: I do have 2 announcements before our official time runs out
[5:59pm] GaborHojtsy: FIRST
[6:00pm] GaborHojtsy: now we have meetings every week, this one was the first extra meeting, so next week is the regular Wed meeting then the week after is Fri again and it cycles like that
[6:00pm] cosmicdreams: So, the only thing I really have to pay a lot of attention to, from the date format's patch perspective, is properly coding the retrival of config so that the mechanism that handles that is invoked.
[6:00pm] GaborHojtsy: the times are not the same
[6:00pm] • cosmicdreams is going to be quiet until GaborHojtsy is done.
[6:00pm] GaborHojtsy: so meeting times documented at http://groups.drupal.org/node/257888
[6:00pm] Druplicon: http://groups.drupal.org/node/257888 => Drupal 8 Multilingual Initiative meetings now happening each week => 0 comments, 3 IRC mentions
[6:00pm] GaborHojtsy: SECOND
[6:00pm] GaborHojtsy: we got some extended sprint space at BADCamp, so we can stay 2 days over: http://groups.drupal.org/node/257863
[6:01pm] Druplicon: http://groups.drupal.org/node/257863 => Drupal 8 Multilingual Initiative sprint at and after BADCamp 2012! => 0 comments, 2 IRC mentions
[6:01pm] GaborHojtsy: I've asked Sutharsan who will sprint remotely, plach who comes but cannot stay over
[6:01pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: I did not ask you assuming right away that its a US thing, so you'd not come, but if you'd rather come, I might or might not still be able to help
[6:02pm] GaborHojtsy: we need people to sign up for this sprint so we know who to expect
[6:02pm] GaborHojtsy: I'll be there from the night of the 1st of Nov until the morning of the 7th
[6:02pm] das-peter: GaborHojtsy: Did miro_dietiker tell you that we will have a BADCamp Switzerland?
[6:02pm] GaborHojtsy: das-peter: woo
[6:02pm] GaborHojtsy: das-peter: fancy
[6:02pm] GaborHojtsy: das-peter: any sprinting planned?
[6:03pm] GaborHojtsy: cosmicdreams: yes, indeed! the access APIs might not all be there yet, look at the context issue from the 3 ongoing ones
[6:03pm] das-peter: GaborHojtsy: It's just about Sprinting - 4th to 6th Nov. http://doodle.com/qi5rh8sws2mnac3e
[6:03pm] GaborHojtsy: das-peter: woo
[6:04pm] GaborHojtsy: das-peter: ok, so if those who want to sprint on D8MI can sign up on the D8MI sheet as remote, that would be fabulous
[6:04pm] GaborHojtsy: das-peter: I know that is extra work
[6:04pm] das-peter: GaborHojtsy: I don't know how official this is atm  I just no that the dates should be fixed now.
[6:04pm] GaborHojtsy: but would help keep track
[6:04pm] GaborHojtsy: das-peter: well, it looks pretty impressive
[6:05pm] GaborHojtsy: das-peter: I know not all of those guys would sprint on D8MI on the 5th or 6th
[6:05pm] GaborHojtsy: and we obviously have some timezone diff
[6:05pm] GaborHojtsy: that can be turned into an advantage though
[6:05pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero might want to join you in Switzerland then?
[6:05pm] das-peter: GaborHojtsy: Right, this I suggested to move our sprints more to the afternoon / evening
[6:05pm] das-peter: GaborHojtsy: It's likely we will sprint in the office of MD-Systems
[6:06pm] cosmicdreams: GaborHojtsy: That's good news, I can then focus on getting the non-translation tests to pass and then hook in the few things that will get the translation working later.
[6:06pm] cosmicdreams: GaborHojtsy: at least that's my hope.
[6:06pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: sorry, I was away (like in coding) for a while, reading the story now...
[6:06pm] GaborHojtsy: cosmicdreams: cool
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[6:08pm] GaborHojtsy: das-peter: should I ping miro about whether this should be given more publicity?
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[6:09pm] GaborHojtsy: das-peter: I mean if people know they might want to join there
[6:09pm] das-peter: GaborHojtsy: I just try to clarify that - but I think it would be good to ping Miro anyway
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[6:11pm] GaborHojtsy: das-peter: ok
[6:12pm] GaborHojtsy: any other things people wanted to cover in the meeting?
[6:12pm] GaborHojtsy: (given we are 12 minutes over
[6:14pm] GaborHojtsy: if no, then thanks everyone
[6:14pm] GaborHojtsy: I'll save and post this log at the announcement as usual!
[6:15pm] GaborHojtsy: have a nice weekend and good work on D8MI!
[6:15pm] GaborHojtsy: keep it up!%