[6:00pm] GaborHojtsy: HEYHO
[6:00pm] GaborHojtsy: who is here for the meeting?
[6:01pm] GaborHojtsy: attrib, herom, jhodgdon, kristen_pol, Patrick_Storey, penyaskito, plach, sebcorbin, Sutharsan: hi all
[6:01pm] plach: hey
[6:01pm] Sutharsan: hi
[6:02pm] jhodgdon: present
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[6:03pm] GaborHojtsy: yay
[6:03pm] GaborHojtsy: barcelona!
[6:03pm] Druplicon: barcelona is DrupalCon Barcelona, 21-25 Sept 2015 | https://events.drupal.org/barcelona2015 | Sprints Sept 19-27. Sprint signup: http://bit.ly/sprintBarcelona | Extended sprint info: https://events.drupal.org/barcelona2015/sprints | In the meantime, enjoy the song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHG6e3P4eQ8
[6:03pm] GaborHojtsy: (not much news I know :D)
[6:04pm] GaborHojtsy: I managed to convince the DA to make it possible to have lunch BoFs again like it was always
[6:04pm] GaborHojtsy: so submitted the multilingual theraphy bof on Wed lunch: https://twitter.com/gaborhojtsy/status/639030294461423616
[6:05pm] kristen_pol: (on a meeting until 9:30am)
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[6:06pm] GaborHojtsy: so that is at least new for barcelona
[6:06pm] GaborHojtsy: for my report, I just presented a live demo d8 multilingual site build yesterday
[6:07pm] GaborHojtsy: https://twitter.com/kristen_pol/status/639097039993724928
[6:07pm] GaborHojtsy: it combines fun things like custom blocks, block instances, block (language) visibility, menus, 3 languages, content types, comment types, config translation, etc. :)
[6:07pm] GaborHojtsy: so an interesting mix of new D8 things vs. how you can use them for language
[6:08pm] Sutharsan: :)
[6:08pm] GaborHojtsy: will present this one with vijaycs85 in Barcelona
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[6:09pm] GaborHojtsy: also not my work but I reviewed and provided guidance on multilingual core migrations to D8
[6:09pm] GaborHojtsy: https://twitter.com/gaborhojtsy/status/639069146114846720
[6:09pm] GaborHojtsy: patch for D6 to D8 but the same will be applicable to D7
[6:09pm] GaborHojtsy: **surprisingly** straightforward but lacks path aliases, node access, menus, etc so far
[6:10pm] GaborHojtsy: reviews / testing welcome :)
[6:10pm] GaborHojtsy: that’s it for me
[6:10pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon: wanna go next?
[6:10pm] jhodgdon: sure
[6:10pm] jhodgdon: So.
[6:10pm] jhodgdon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2545730 got to RTBC!
[6:10pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2545730 => Misuse of formatPlural() in Numeric field prefix/suffix [#2545730] => 40 comments, 9 IRC mentions
[6:10pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon: YAYAY
[6:10pm] jhodgdon: pjonckiere++
[6:11pm] jhodgdon: Related issue  https://www.drupal.org/node/2552867 also needs a patch, which is in some ways slightly more complicated, but it doesn't need an update function so maybe not so bad.
[6:11pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2552867 => Fix DrupalTranslator::transChoice()'s formatPlural() usage [#2552867] => 4 comments, 2 IRC mentions
[6:12pm] jhodgdon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2449597 "just" needs testing, manual plus automated test written. One problem with testing manually is that entity view modes cannot be translated right now, see https://www.drupal.org/node/2546212 but we should be able to test it with the Views UI.
[6:12pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2449597 => Number formatters: Make it possible to configure format_plural on the formatter level [#2449597] => 132 comments, 24 IRC mentions
[6:12pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2546212 => Entity view/form mode formatter/widget settings have no translation UI [#2546212] => 17 comments, 7 IRC mentions
[6:12pm] jhodgdon: so someone needs to write a test. I was going to but realistically I do not have time.
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[6:12pm] jhodgdon: Also we need to figure out what to do on the entity view/form mode translations issue.
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[6:13pm] jhodgdon: Just as a note, I talked to webchick just a few minutes ago and the projection is to have RC1 on Sept 14. So, anything that needs to be fixed during the Beta phase ***must*** be done in the next two weeks.
[6:13pm] GaborHojtsy: hm, looking at 2552867
[6:14pm] jhodgdon: all it needs is a test
[6:14pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon: yeah ideally there would be an RC1 soon if we want a D8 release before Christmas based on math
[6:14pm] jhodgdon: so far though no one has even tested it manually
[6:15pm] jhodgdon: I guess if we can test it manually we can write a test to do the same thing
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[6:15pm] jhodgdon: I may see if I can at least verify it manually using Views UI today.
[6:15pm] jhodgdon: and export the configs
[6:15pm] jhodgdon: anyway...
[6:15pm] jhodgdon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2546212 I think we should really figure out.
[6:15pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2546212 => Entity view/form mode formatter/widget settings have no translation UI [#2546212] => 17 comments, 8 IRC mentions
[6:15pm] jhodgdon: but no idea how
[6:16pm] jhodgdon: and then there are 3 other views issues that have apparently stalled:
[6:16pm] jhodgdon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2451657
[6:16pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2451657 => Views should not condition joins on the langcode of fields that are not translatable [#2451657] => 86 comments, 51 IRC mentions
[6:16pm] jhodgdon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2473989
[6:16pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2473989 => Lack of dynamic language field / filter makes shipping core views hard to be both compatible with mono and multilingual [#2473989] => 65 comments, 22 IRC mentions
[6:16pm] jhodgdon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2476563
[6:16pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2476563 => Entity operations links tied to original entity language, ignore everything else [#2476563] => 56 comments, 18 IRC mentions
[6:16pm] jhodgdon: that is all I have to report on
[6:18pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon: so I just reviewed 2552867, and that is not what needs tests?
[6:18pm] jhodgdon: that one hasn't been started
[6:19pm] jhodgdon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2449597 is the one that needs a test
[6:19pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2449597 => Number formatters: Make it possible to configure format_plural on the formatter level [#2449597] => 132 comments, 25 IRC mentions
[6:19pm] GaborHojtsy: oh, I mixed it up :D
[6:19pm] jhodgdon: or maybe I did. ;)
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[6:19pm] GaborHojtsy: yeah https://www.drupal.org/node/2449597would be important to land soon
[6:19pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2449597 => Number formatters: Make it possible to configure format_plural on the formatter level [#2449597] => 132 comments, 26 IRC mentions
[6:20pm] GaborHojtsy: penyaskito: can you look into writing a test for this one maybe? :)
[6:21pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon: I pinged 2546212 to tstoeckler :)
[6:21pm] jhodgdon: ok
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[6:21pm] GaborHojtsy: I think someone with experience writing config translation integration can start on it “easily” with a direction on where to put it on the UI which we have for initial approach at least
[6:22pm] GaborHojtsy: we had a hard time agreeing on the direction because it looks suboptimal
[6:22pm] GaborHojtsy: but we don’t have better ideas :/
[6:22pm] jhodgdon: Yes I think once we figure out where, it is not hard to do it, but I don't know where to do it.
[6:22pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon: we can do it for now on the content type translation page which was your original suggestion
[6:23pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon: I cannot come up with a better one without littering in too many tabs
[6:23pm] jhodgdon: as long as it is somewhere, that will be an improvement.
[6:24pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon: yeah
[6:24pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon++
[6:24pm] jhodgdon: Not sure what to do about those other 3 stalled Views issues
[6:25pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon: re the views integration issues, I think plach was prioritizing them earlier, but now getting the RC out is more important
[6:25pm] jhodgdon: ok
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[6:25pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon: I don’t think they would be impossible later
[6:25pm] jhodgdon: probably not
[6:25pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon: they would need to be fixed either way
[6:26pm] GaborHojtsy: plach: wanna go next?
[6:26pm] plach: GaborHojtsy: sure
[6:27pm] plach: as you said, I'm focusing on criticals in my areas of expertise, including D8MI stuff
[6:27pm] plach: I'm currently working on https://www.drupal.org/node/2561129
[6:27pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2561129 => Composite indexes are not correctly deleted/re-created when updating a field storage definition [#2561129] => 17 comments, 4 IRC mentions
[6:28pm] plach: I'd like to work on https://www.drupal.org/node/1894596
[6:28pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/1894596 => content_translation_enable_widget() breaks user settings form [#1894596] => 22 comments, 3 IRC mentions
[6:28pm] plach: sooner or later
[6:28pm] plach: it shouldn't be hard
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[6:29pm] plach: that's all for me
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[6:30pm] GaborHojtsy: plach: amazing, those are great
[6:30pm] GaborHojtsy: plach: I just heard a beta would not be released without https://www.drupal.org/node/2561129 fixed :)
[6:30pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2561129 => Composite indexes are not correctly deleted/re-created when updating a field storage definition [#2561129] => 17 comments, 5 IRC mentions
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[6:31pm] GaborHojtsy: plach++
[6:31pm] GaborHojtsy: plach: let us know if you need help :)
[6:31pm] plach: ok, thanks :)
[6:31pm] GaborHojtsy: Sutharsan: wanna go next?
[6:32pm] Sutharsan: Nothing to report on D8MI.
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[6:32pm] Sutharsan: Just reading.
[6:32pm] GaborHojtsy: Sutharsan: ok, np :)
[6:32pm] GaborHojtsy: Sutharsan++
[6:32pm] frederickjh: Sorry I am late.
[6:32pm] GaborHojtsy: Sutharsan: you may be interested that https://www.drupal.org/node/2113957 is close to done
[6:33pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2113957 => Build server side version fallback system for translations [#2113957] => 26 comments, 6 IRC mentions
[6:33pm] GaborHojtsy: Sutharsan: if not already done
[6:33pm] GaborHojtsy: Sutharsan: so https://www.drupal.org/node/2113955 may be doable
[6:33pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2113955 => Rely on proper server side version fallback for translations [#2113955] => 9 comments, 1 IRC mention
[6:33pm] GaborHojtsy: Sutharsan: so that made paths like http://ftp.drupal.org/files/translations/8.x/drupal/drupal-8.0.0-dev.de.po work :)
[6:34pm] GaborHojtsy: Sutharsan: as fallbacks to actual prior release
[6:34pm] GaborHojtsy: Sutharsan: that should help in the installer to figure out latest translation
[6:34pm] Sutharsan: That would be nice, indeed.
[6:35pm] GaborHojtsy: Sutharsan: so if you are interested in looking to integrate that with core in https://www.drupal.org/node/2113955 that would be fabulous :)
[6:35pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/2113955 => Rely on proper server side version fallback for translations [#2113955] => 9 comments, 2 IRC mentions
[6:35pm] GaborHojtsy: Sutharsan++
[6:35pm] GaborHojtsy: kristen_pol: here now?
[6:35pm] kristen_pol: yep
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[6:36pm] kristen_pol: Mainly getting organized for BADCamp
[6:36pm] kristen_pol: YesCT and xjm said the weren't organizing sprints so I make this:
[6:36pm] kristen_pol: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10KIbta8Qig9c5Hu-r3mz1AZAnUSf-lFD8hDNJPtd-cE/edit#gid=0
[6:36pm] kristen_pol: at xjm's suggestion
[6:36pm] kristen_pol: but I'm not sure if BADCamp is doing pre-conference sprints
[6:36pm] kristen_pol: I need to find that out before I send this out to the world
[6:37pm] kristen_pol: Aimee & I are definitely doing D7+D8 i18n training on the Friday of BADCamp
[6:37pm] kristen_pol: But.. was wondering who's coming who wants to do i18n sessions/BoFs
[6:38pm] kristen_pol: All for me
[6:38pm] GaborHojtsy: kristen_pol: I have no idea ATM about my badcamp plans or not honestly
[6:38pm] GaborHojtsy: its 7 weeks from now, right? now very far off :D
[6:38pm] kristen_pol: GaborHojtsy: Ok… then if you don't go, we should have *someone* submit the hacks session?
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[6:39pm] kristen_pol: 7 weeks is short to me ;)
[6:39pm] GaborHojtsy: kristen_pol: well, I could not come up with a brilliant new format, so it turned out mostly similar to what the d8mi workshop was (if you look at the youtube video, you’ll see)
[6:40pm] GaborHojtsy: its a more advanced site builder intro to D8 multilingual with plenty D8 flexibility demoed alongside
[6:40pm] GaborHojtsy: I did a little in-place editing on blocks, used comment types, new field types, etc :)
[6:40pm] kristen_pol: Yeah… I watched it yesterday
[6:40pm] kristen_pol: (I was in attendance)
[6:40pm] GaborHojtsy: kristen_pol: oh, ha :D
[6:41pm] kristen_pol: Good stuff!
[6:41pm] kristen_pol: GaborHojtsy++
[6:41pm] GaborHojtsy: kristen_pol: so it was envisioned to be different, but then I figured out it needs to be a moving demo, and at that points its just a more advanced version of the workshop, also shorter
[6:41pm] GaborHojtsy: kristen_pol: it may make sense as a standalone session too if somebody wants to do it :)
[6:41pm] kristen_pol: Right… so perhaps you can submit it for badcamp and then we can figure out who does it?
[6:42pm] kristen_pol: Or, it could be a BoF as well
[6:42pm] GaborHojtsy: kristen_pol: I don’t have the awesome handout level writeout like Aimee had for the workshop, just a short summary of steps I need to do in the demo for presenters to follow
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[6:43pm] GaborHojtsy: kristen_pol: but if someone knows their way, they can figure it out… also not possible to follow ina udience on this pace :P
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[6:45pm] jhodgdon: kristen_pol: there are 2 sprint days, Thurs/Fri before the main conference, at least they have announced Drupal Core sprints those days (same days as trainings) at BADCamp
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[6:45pm] jhodgdon: kristen_pol: I am not aware of any other sprint days
[6:45pm] GaborHojtsy: https://2015.badcamp.net/event/summit/core-dev-sprint says 22 to 25
[6:45pm] kristen_pol: jhodgdon: Thanks… I wasn't sure if they were going to try to do something before Thursday
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[6:46pm] jhodgdon: kristen_pol: no idea on that, but at least Thur-Sun would be the for-sure sprinting days
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[6:46pm] kristen_pol: jhodgdon: Thanks… that was my understanding as well… I think they were trying to find a venue for them… I'll check in with them again on that
[6:46pm] kristen_pol: :)
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[6:47pm] kristen_pol: GaborHojtsy: Yeah… not a workshop… just a demo
[6:47pm] jhodgdon: kristen_pol: sounds like a plan. I would like to have a User Guide sprint as well.
[6:47pm] kristen_pol: all for me
[6:47pm] kristen_pol: jhodgdon: nice!
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[6:47pm] GaborHojtsy: kristen_pol: I also looked if they have a session submission deadline but not apparent from https://2015.badcamp.net/badcamp-blog/and-were-back
[6:47pm] GaborHojtsy: looks fluid
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[6:48pm] jhodgdon: yes and they also don't have a way to suggest sprints or get them added to the schedule
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[6:48pm] GaborHojtsy: hm
[6:48pm] GaborHojtsy: kristen_pol++
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[6:49pm] GaborHojtsy: frederickjh: hi, sorry for not responding sooner, welcome!
[6:49pm] GaborHojtsy: frederickjh: wanna go next?
[6:49pm] frederickjh: Thanks!
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[6:49pm] GaborHojtsy: frederickjh: (I called people in order of appearance in chat writing :)
[6:49pm] frederickjh: Is this meeting also the place to discuss the localization server?
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[6:50pm] jhodgdon: kristen_pol++
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[6:51pm] frederickjh: If it is I have worked in the issue que for localize.drupal.org.
[6:51pm] GaborHojtsy: frederickjh: yeah sure :)
[6:51pm] GaborHojtsy: frederickjh: you followed up on some language requests, right?
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[6:52pm] frederickjh: Currently the information for starting a new translation group is very minimal.
[6:52pm] frederickjh: It seems to me that a number of people do not fully understand what is required to start a new translation group.
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[6:53pm] frederickjh: Other it seems thing that asking for one means that some how the community will magically find the people to make it happen.
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[6:53pm] frederickjh: I am wondering if I am the only one that feels this way.
[6:53pm] GaborHojtsy: frederickjh: so, https://localize.drupal.org/ has a sidebar block saying “Set up your group here!”
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[6:53pm] GaborHojtsy: frederickjh: the idea is we ask them pointed questions then and figure out based on the answers if they have some plan or not
[6:54pm] GaborHojtsy: frederickjh: its natural that people don’t have community management skills necessarily
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[6:55pm] frederickjh: You don't think that it would be better to tell them up front a list of things they will need and give them resources to help them?
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[6:56pm] GaborHojtsy: frederickjh: I think its better to have a list of issues with languages someone wanted to start instead of them stopping in the middle of a long checklist and nobody ever knowing they wanted to start something
[6:56pm] GaborHojtsy: frederickjh: a process that was visibly started has more chance to find other followers
[6:56pm] frederickjh: It just seems to me that the issues  for new translation groups have a lot of the same information / questions over and over again.
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[6:56pm] GaborHojtsy: frederickjh: right, I think we need to have those answers
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[6:57pm] frederickjh: It took me a while to figure out what I needed to ask them and then where to find the answers.
[6:57pm] GaborHojtsy: frederickjh: we can write them down somewhere else, but its likely that we’d need to repeat them on the issue anyway
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[6:57pm] frederickjh: No, I was thinking a guide of some sort to starting a language group.
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[6:58pm] GaborHojtsy: frederickjh: yeah so we have https://www.drupal.org/node/1439588 which is not very discoverable
[6:58pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/1439588 => Localize.drupal.org administrator guide => 0 comments, 1 IRC mention
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[6:59pm] GaborHojtsy: frederickjh: we could have a user facing version of that
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[6:59pm] GaborHojtsy: frederickjh: I am afraid that peopl will stop at the 2-3. item in the checklist and never submit an issue
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[6:59pm] GaborHojtsy: frederickjh: so we’ll not even know someone thought about it and later someone comes, they will not know who to team up with
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[7:00pm] GaborHojtsy: frederickjh: the current process has the benefit of outing the people who invested just enough effort to start an issue
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[7:00pm] frederickjh: OK,  the other thought I had in that regard was to setup a voting system for new languages.
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[7:01pm] GaborHojtsy: frederickjh: to prove there are people who are interested?
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[7:01pm] frederickjh: In that way people could express interest without a commitment but others would see that there is a need and that possibly a team would form out of that.
[7:01pm] frederickjh: yes
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[7:01pm] GaborHojtsy: frederickjh: yeah hm, we can encourage people to post their interest on the issues and/or look at follower numbers on the issue which are in fact “votes”
[7:02pm] GaborHojtsy: frederickjh: not saying people understand “how to vote” :D
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[7:03pm] frederickjh: The other idea I had here was sponsorship of new translation teams. To help kickstart new translations.
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[7:03pm] GaborHojtsy: frederickjh: are you coming to Barcelona by any chance?
[7:03pm] frederickjh: If there was someway that people could set this up to pay translators to kickstart a team.
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[7:04pm] frederickjh: No, I am not. I was away for 2 months from work this summer and work has piled up in the mean time.
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[7:04pm] GaborHojtsy: frederickjh: ha, ok… sebcorbin and I will do a session on l.d.o and a discussion on the d.o track, would be great to have you there
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[7:05pm] frederickjh: I wish I could be.
[7:05pm] GaborHojtsy: frederickjh: anyway, I am afraid I don’t have the time now to discuss the ideas, but we definitely need fresh thinking and improvements :)
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[7:05pm] GaborHojtsy: frederickjh: in the meantime if you can update https://www.drupal.org/node/1439588 with what you find in the process (if this doc is not accurate anymore) would be a first step
[7:06pm] Druplicon: https://www.drupal.org/node/1439588 => Localize.drupal.org administrator guide => 0 comments, 2 IRC mentions
[7:06pm] GaborHojtsy: frederickjh: we can sync up late
[7:06pm] GaborHojtsy: later
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[7:06pm] frederickjh: OK,
[7:06pm] frederickjh: .
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[7:07pm] frederickjh: Sound good to me. I will take a look and see what I can d.
[7:07pm] frederickjh: do.
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[7:07pm] GaborHojtsy: frederickjh++
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[7:07pm] GaborHojtsy: frederickjh: thanks a lot
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[7:07pm] GaborHojtsy: anybody else arrived in the meantime?
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[7:08pm] GaborHojtsy: nope
[7:09pm] GaborHojtsy: in that case, THANKS ALL FOR COMING
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[7:09pm] GaborHojtsy: keep being awesome
[7:09pm] GaborHojtsy: and see you virtually next week :)
[7:09pm] GaborHojtsy: frederickjh++
[7:09pm] GaborHojtsy: kristen_pol++
[7:09pm] GaborHojtsy: jhodgdon++
[7:09pm] GaborHojtsy: plach++
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[7:09pm] GaborHojtsy: Sutharsan++