[6:00pm] GaborHojtsy: hi!
[6:00pm] Druplicon: privet
[6:00pm] GaborHojtsy: who is here for the meeting?
[6:01pm] • Artusamak raises his hand
[6:01pm] c31ck: I am. Hi all.
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[6:02pm] GaborHojtsy: amateescu: c31ck: hi!
[6:02pm] • amateescu is lurking
[6:03pm] GaborHojtsy: Artusamak: ha!
[6:04pm] GaborHojtsy: Artusamak: c31ck: good work on http://drupal.org/node/1776166 !
[6:04pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1776166 => Improve default language negotiation => Drupal core, language system, normal, needs work, 21 comments, 7 IRC mentions
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[6:05pm] GaborHojtsy: c31ck: I think the remaining ideas/concerns from YesCT should be resolved
[6:05pm] GaborHojtsy: c31ck: but it is looking pretty good
[6:05pm] Artusamak: thanks, c31ck do i let you work on it or do you want me to take care of it, i will have time to work on it Friday
[6:06pm] YesCT: meeting?
[6:06pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT: yes
[6:07pm] GaborHojtsy: c31ck: so I think an interesting part there will be the upgrade path, but you should find upgrade functions for negotiation stuff already
[6:07pm] GaborHojtsy: c31ck: so you can model stuff on that
[6:08pm] GaborHojtsy: (also upgrade tests)
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[6:08pm] c31ck: GaborHojtsy: Yes, I'll have a look at the upgrade path and the ideas of YesCT later tonight.
[6:08pm] GaborHojtsy: c31ck++
[6:08pm] GaborHojtsy: superb
[6:09pm] YesCT:
[6:09pm] c31ck: Artusamak: I'll work on it tonight
[6:09pm] GaborHojtsy: we have a big set of issues in RTBC again: http://hojtsy.hu/d8mi/focus
[6:09pm] Artusamak: c31ck: ok
[6:09pm] GaborHojtsy: I hope we can get committers on it, webchick promised to look at stuff later today
[6:10pm] webchick: Yep!
[6:10pm] webchick: Have some calls to get out of the way first, but need to do a nice chunk of D8 time
[6:10pm] Artusamak: webchick++
[6:10pm] GaborHojtsy: webchick++
[6:10pm] GaborHojtsy: woot
[6:10pm] webchick: i think you mean
[6:10pm] webchick: webchick--
[6:10pm] Druplicon: Nice try, webchick.
[6:10pm] webchick:
[6:10pm] Artusamak: lol
[6:10pm] webchick: but I'm on it.
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[6:11pm] GaborHojtsy: there is also a very healthy dose of discussion at http://drupal.org/node/1754246, where Languages become config entities, but then config entities depend on language, and …. you get it
[6:11pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1754246 => Convert Languages into Configurables => Drupal core, language system, major, needs work, 38 comments, 14 IRC mentions
[6:11pm] Artusamak: GaborHojtsy: i have to confess that i didn't understand everything in the new focus board
[6:11pm] Artusamak: (like what are the variations of colors)
[6:11pm] Artusamak: and what stars represent
[6:11pm] GaborHojtsy: Artusamak: ah, so I picked 4 colours for the 4 areas (content, config, interface translation and base language)
[6:12pm] GaborHojtsy: Artusamak: we have issues tagged with either of the corresponding tags: language-content, language-config, language-ui or language-base
[6:12pm] GaborHojtsy: Artusamak: then I made them float up in groups, so content and config and ui and base are ordered in this order
[6:12pm] GaborHojtsy: Artusamak: we have bigger problems and more pressing things to do on the content and config side
[6:12pm] Artusamak: GaborHojtsy: oh! ok, if could add this legend that would be perfect
[6:13pm] GaborHojtsy: (although those are not easy ones
[6:13pm] YesCT: *cough* update the legend *cough*
[6:13pm] GaborHojtsy: THEN I converted the side colours that were previously used to stars with corresponding colours, so if you see a star, it means its either major or critical, majors are orange stars and criticals are red stars (as per legend)
[6:13pm] GaborHojtsy:
[6:14pm] GaborHojtsy: so the legend is just the star colors
[6:14pm] GaborHojtsy: http://hojtsy.hu/d8mi/base-language-features for a demo of the star colors
[6:14pm] YesCT: GaborHojtsy: maybe you didn't push the legend changes...
[6:14pm] Artusamak: ok, all clear
[6:14pm] GaborHojtsy: (there are crits on the back port and closed section on this link)
[6:15pm] GaborHojtsy: the category strips on the issues are only introduced on the focus board because other pages are per category, so it would be pretty boringly the same strip on all issues
[6:15pm] YesCT: http://screencast.com/t/RUaubotCRiZ
[6:15pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT: yeah, I know, I'll do this
[6:16pm] YesCT: I hadn't seen http://hojtsy.hu/d8mi/base-language-features
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[6:16pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT: there are read more links for each category at http://hojtsy.hu/d8mi
[6:16pm] GaborHojtsy: e.g. content stuff: http://hojtsy.hu/d8mi/content-language-and-translation
[6:17pm] YesCT: OH, the read more links...
[6:17pm] GaborHojtsy: yeah, so I need to make the legend different for the focus board (no blue stars) and the rest (no topic strips)
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[6:18pm] GaborHojtsy: and now for something else….
[6:18pm] GaborHojtsy: looks like I can make it to BADCamp
[6:18pm] GaborHojtsy: asked Jen Lampton for details on sprint possibilities but did not get info yet
[6:19pm] GaborHojtsy: there is definitely some sprinting space on he 2 session days as per the site and I assume on the other two days as well prior
[6:19pm] YesCT: GaborHojtsy: hm.
[6:19pm] GaborHojtsy: I DO NOT plan a huge sprint extension like in Munich of endless weekends because that was not very healthy at the end
[6:20pm] YesCT: not healthy for you?
[6:20pm] Artusamak: you're scared to end alone in a room again?
[6:21pm] GaborHojtsy: Artusamak: haha
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[6:22pm] Artusamak: GaborHojtsy: so about the potential sprint you know that some folks are going to be around or not yet?
[6:22pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT: yeah, it was not great to work *very actively* for 3 weeks on without a day of rest and with typical DrupalCon days of being up until 2am and waking up at 7am
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[6:22pm] Artusamak: who is going to be there from Europe?
[6:23pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT: but also not very 'healthy' to not have a core committer on hand so patches became stale and the next week was spent with lobbying and rerolls, not much useful progress
[6:23pm] YesCT: GaborHojtsy: we should take care of you.
[6:23pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT: so too many patches in too short time without a core committer is also not good
[6:24pm] GaborHojtsy: + we should not feel the luxury that we have this sprint so we don't need to work until then
[6:24pm] GaborHojtsy: Artusamak: for BADCamp I know plach and attiks submitted scholarship proposals
[6:24pm] GaborHojtsy: Artusamak: don't know if they got or will get to be accepted
[6:25pm] GaborHojtsy: Artusamak: I know reyero does not like to fly to the US, so he is out of question probably for in-person attendance
[6:25pm] YesCT: it was a bit of a surprise, the number of people and progress… no?
[6:25pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT: it was a lot of people, it was a great sprint, but two weekends consecutively with a DrupalCon in-between is not something I'd do again
[6:27pm] GaborHojtsy: so I'm planning for some sprinting at BADCamp, it will likely not be extended much beyond the official bad camp days
[6:27pm] GaborHojtsy: for my personal scheduling it would be better to extend a day or at most 2 after (and none before)
[6:28pm] YesCT: GaborHojtsy: can we mitigate your downsides? The participants got a lot out of it.
[6:28pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT: if we can somehow distribute the management of the sprint, that would be good, I also know Ryan wants to do a sprint in Montreal in Oct
[6:29pm] GaborHojtsy: Oct 12, 13, and 14
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[6:29pm] GaborHojtsy: I'm not sure if he goes forward with his plan given I cannot go, but it would be great
[6:30pm] YesCT: GaborHojtsy: you not going would be one way of distributing the work.
[6:30pm] Artusamak: GaborHojtsy: so we still have time ahead of us to plan that, what about current priorities?
[6:30pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT: for a fact I know the Monday sprint did not go nearly as well as the other days or at least there was almost no output in the issues
[6:30pm] GaborHojtsy: Artusamak: righto, I just wanted to have this on people's mind's for travel (also for those reading the transcript I'll post later
[6:31pm] YesCT: GaborHojtsy: I wasn't around the d8mi stuff on monday, but I heard from some folks that they found Monday got people thinking and planning and that resulted in
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[6:31pm] YesCT: people keeping thoughts in mind during the week, and then were geared up for Fri+
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[6:34pm] GaborHojtsy: YesCT: that sounds good
[6:34pm] YesCT: but that was people speaking in general, not d8mi specific.
[6:34pm] GaborHojtsy: Artusamak: as for current priorities, we most pressingly need feedback on the 3 config issues
[6:34pm] GaborHojtsy: from D8MI only reyero is working on them actively and that is said
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[6:34pm] GaborHojtsy: sad that is
[6:35pm] GaborHojtsy: http://drupal.org/node/1648930
[6:35pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1648930 => Add metadata for configuration in YML files => Drupal core, configuration system, major, needs work, 68 comments, 22 IRC mentions
[6:35pm] GaborHojtsy: http://drupal.org/node/1763640
[6:35pm] GaborHojtsy: and
[6:35pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1763640 => Add contextual data into Configuration Factory for localization, administration, etc... => Drupal core, configuration system, major, needs review, 5 comments, 3 IRC mentions
[6:35pm] GaborHojtsy: http://drupal.org/node/1777070
[6:35pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1777070 => Translation workflow for configuration strings => Drupal core, configuration system, normal, needs review, 4 comments, 6 IRC mentions
[6:35pm] GaborHojtsy: these are not really simple jump-in patches but are amng the top 5 most pressing things at the moment
[6:36pm] GaborHojtsy: the other 2 rounding out the top 5 are http://drupal.org/node/1691952 and http://drupal.org/node/1498674
[6:36pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1691952 => Make EntityFieldQuery work with multilingual properties => Drupal core, entity system, major, needs work, 40 comments, 8 IRC mentions
[6:36pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1498674 => Refactor node properties to multilingual => Drupal core, node system, major, needs work, 16 comments, 2 IRC mentions
[6:36pm] GaborHojtsy: the last one (node properties) is something that someone can start off fresh based on our earlier refactoring of the test entity
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[6:36pm] GaborHojtsy: its time to shake up people and make them figure out the new property schema for nodes in D8
[6:38pm] GaborHojtsy: so http://drupal.org/node/1498674 would be in for anyone to start but its going to possibly be a long battle
[6:38pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1498674 => Refactor node properties to multilingual => Drupal core, node system, major, needs work, 16 comments, 3 IRC mentions
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[6:38pm] GaborHojtsy: its a very important issue because this conversion would make it possible to translate node properties, which makes it possible to remove content translation module as-is now in core and introduce entity translation module
[6:39pm] • Artusamak is scared to jump in ^^
[6:39pm] GaborHojtsy: anybody interested in any of these 5, especially now that reyero popped in, he should be able to talk to 3 of them?
[6:39pm] GaborHojtsy: Artusamak: if you look at the test entity one, its not  a big deal on the schema side, and we need to get started on that at least
[6:39pm] GaborHojtsy: Artusamak: then fixing all queries is going to be interesting
[6:40pm] GaborHojtsy: Artusamak: you don't need to sign up to bing it all to completion
[6:41pm] Artusamak: GaborHojtsy: indeed, i'll try to jump on one of those friday and post where i am at the end of the day
[6:41pm] Artusamak: GaborHojtsy: i guess that there is no better way to do than just trying
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[6:41pm] GaborHojtsy: Artusamak: right!
[6:41pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: hi!
[6:42pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero:  I was trying to advocate your 3 issues above
[6:42pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: hi? just in time to see my name mentioned, missed the issues we were talking abt though (?)
[6:43pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: all 3 config language issues
[6:43pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: I posted those 3 and the node property and EFQ issues being the top 5 issues we need people on to help!
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[6:43pm] c31ck: GaborHojtsy: I'll give http://drupal.org/node/1498674 a try somewhere next week.
[6:43pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1498674 => Refactor node properties to multilingual => Drupal core, node system, major, needs work, 16 comments, 4 IRC mentions
[6:43pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: I recently reorganised the focus board to give more weight to these issues even if not all are marked major or critical
[6:43pm] GaborHojtsy: yay!
[6:44pm] • Druplicon throws confetti
[6:44pm] Artusamak: lol
[6:44pm] GaborHojtsy: not sure if you all read http://buytaert.net/updated-drupal-8-release-schedule
[6:44pm] GaborHojtsy: but its a very educational read
[6:44pm] reyero: GaborHojtsy: great.... config + language need tons of help
[6:44pm] YesCT: I read it.
[6:45pm] GaborHojtsy: according to Dries' post, we should focus on new features and integrating them and converting more things to them can come later (after dec 1st)
[6:45pm] GaborHojtsy: he also moved the integration/conversion phase to later
[6:45pm] GaborHojtsy: so it would be important to get in the 3 major CMI features that we need
[6:46pm] GaborHojtsy: and things like EFQ property support
[6:46pm] GaborHojtsy: the conversion of nodes to properties is important because it lets us remove a feature (node-copy translation) and make it reproducible with configuration
[6:46pm] GaborHojtsy: that again is not really feasible within the limits defined after Dec 1st
[6:47pm] GaborHojtsy: have 80 days(!) until dec 1st
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[6:48pm] reyero: still, converting something having translatable strings to CMI should be a priority, we just need *one* single thing though
[6:49pm] reyero: (that in order for the translation patches to make some sense and have sth to translate)
[6:49pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: I hope webchick will not gind anything to complain in http://drupal.org/node/1757566
[6:49pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1757566 => Convert user account e-mail templates to configuration system => Drupal core, user.module, normal, reviewed & tested by the community, 24 comments, 9 IRC mentions
[6:49pm] GaborHojtsy: not find that is
[6:49pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: I've seen sun debating upgrade path test needs in the contact categories issues
[6:49pm] reyero: yes, user account emails should be ok for us
[6:50pm] YesCT: GaborHojtsy: the issue you mention as being important, especially with regrards to the clarification of the freeze dates...
[6:50pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: its RTBC for quite a while now, so hopefully it will get in sooner than later
[6:50pm] sun: don't we have system.site already?
[6:50pm] YesCT: could they (or one of them) be candidates for a drupal ladder/core office hours kind of thing where it's broken down into spelled out tasks?
[6:51pm] sun: what's more prominent than a translatable site title?
[6:51pm] sun: and/or even slogan, fwiw
[6:51pm] Artusamak: got to go, will read the end of the meeting later, see you guys, and thanks GaborHojtsy for your work
[6:51pm] Artusamak: GaborHojtsy++
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[6:52pm] GaborHojtsy: Artusamak: thanks!
[6:52pm] GaborHojtsy: sun: yeah, there is no default site slogan, so really there is only the word "Drupal" as the site name that is there now, right?
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[6:53pm] GaborHojtsy: sun: reyero is focusing on metadata on the config for pre-translation / localisation update, etc. integration
[6:53pm] reyero: sun: fyi, there's one single translatable string in drupal core atm which is.... guess
[6:53pm] reyero: sun: ... site maintenance message
[6:54pm] reyero: sun: and I think we miss *real* *complex* use cases to put new features at work before they get committed
[6:54pm] GaborHojtsy: sun: like config entities
[6:55pm] c31ck: Got to go, bye all
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[6:56pm] • GaborHojtsy also needs to go in 4 minutes unfortunately
[6:56pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: I'll make sure to review the translation patch for cmi early tomorrow and provide my feedback
[6:57pm] GaborHojtsy: reyero: sorry I did not have time so far
[6:57pm] reyero: cool, thanks