[6:00pm] GaborHojtsy: hi D8MI people new and old!
[6:00pm] GaborHojtsy: anybody here for the meeting?
[6:04pm] GaborHojtsy: nobody?
[6:07pm] GaborHojtsy: well
[6:08pm] Pomliane: hi
[6:08pm] GaborHojtsy: I am around, so if anybody wants to talk D8MI, feel free to speak up
[6:08pm] GaborHojtsy: Pomliane: hi!
[6:09pm] Pomliane: just here to have a look and try to understand things better if I can
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[6:10pm] Artusamak: kind of here
[6:10pm] GaborHojtsy: Pomliane: great, any questions?
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[6:10pm] Artusamak: sorry stuck at client place
[6:10pm] GaborHojtsy: Pomliane: do you have an overview of the initiative and/or following any issues
[6:11pm] GaborHojtsy: Artusamak: ah
[6:11pm] Pomliane: GaborHojtsy: I'm trying to get a foot in it just right now
[6:11pm] Pomliane: reading http://hojtsy.hu/d8mi
[6:11pm] Artusamak: GaborHojtsy kind of what happen also for the help i advertised
[6:12pm] Artusamak: GaborHojtsy i saw notifications about more meetings? what's the plan?
[6:14pm] andypost: hi
[6:15pm] andypost: GaborHojtsy: I found no refs at d8mi/focus about language handling for config entities
[6:16pm] andypost: currently we have 2 issues to check languae support http://drupal.org/node/1588422 and http://drupal.org/node/1552396
[6:16pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1588422 => Convert contact categories to configuration system => Drupal core, configuration system, normal, needs review, 105 comments, 24 IRC mentions
[6:16pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1552396 => Convert vocabularies into configuration => Drupal core, taxonomy.module, normal, needs review, 68 comments, 27 IRC mentions
[6:17pm] GaborHojtsy: Artusamak: I just wanted to make more fixed time available to discuss stuff if needed
[6:17pm] GaborHojtsy: Artusamak: no specific plans, just open meeting time like this one
[6:17pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: hum?
[6:18pm] andypost: for second one we already have language upgrade tests, but for contact no. should we wait for language translation ui in core?
[6:18pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: we hoped to just reuse the langcode form entities
[6:18pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: which is already on the base class, right?
[6:18pm] andypost: yes
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[6:18pm] andypost: both are converted to Config Entity and use formcontroller
[6:19pm] Artusamak: ok, good for advertisement 'cause you are most of the time here if we need something
[6:19pm] Artusamak: what are the progress since 2 weeks?
[6:19pm] GaborHojtsy: Artusamak: indeed, its just so we can talk more if we need to but not required obviously
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[6:20pm] andypost: I got no idea about chicken-egg at http://drupal.org/node/1754246
[6:20pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1754246 => Convert Languages into Configurables => Drupal core, language system, major, needs work, 39 comments, 15 IRC mentions
[6:21pm] GaborHojtsy: Artusamak: I don't think we have big wins from the last 2 weeks, just small stuff  like http://drupal.org/node/1738368 and
[6:22pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1738368 => Not possible to use the entity getter to retrieve non-translatable field values => Drupal core, field system, major, fixed, 48 comments, 14 IRC mentions
[6:22pm] GaborHojtsy: Artusamak: plach made fantastic progress with the entity translation UI and reyero with the CMI patches
[6:22pm] GaborHojtsy: Artusamak: all need serious reviews from you guys
[6:23pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: ah, what's the idea?
[6:25pm] andypost: GaborHojtsy: suppose we should wait for compile container patch so the language that stays in container would be system
[6:27pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: I don't understand that
[6:28pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: and would not expect the compiler to land anytime soon based on what I talked about with people toda
[6:28pm] GaborHojtsy: todax
[6:28pm] GaborHojtsy: today
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[6:32pm] andypost: so let's leave this issue alone because no idea how to init language as entity without pointing a langcode for it
[6:33pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: well, we need it to make language labels (names) translatable
[6:34pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: we removed native names in anticipation of getting language names in other languages using CMI
[6:34pm] andypost: label() for the LanguageEntity could be overriden to skip translation
[6:34pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: skip(?)
[6:35pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: we want it to support translation and using CMI should provide that
[6:35pm] andypost: yes, to keep native and enlish names
[6:35pm] andypost: but we have to not apply translation on this base object
[6:37pm] andypost: CMI translation shoud not touch the ative names of languages, because they are hardcoded
[6:37pm] andypost: I see no reason in translation of language names
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[6:38pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: we do not have native languages anymore
[6:39pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: we anticipated CMI to solve this so we removed it to simplify the UI and data storage
[6:39pm] andypost: GaborHojtsy: we have standard_language_list() for this purpose, in case of languages that not in list we culd try to translate
[6:39pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: the language names are configurable
[6:39pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: so they can be anything, and they should be possible to be displayed in other languages
[6:40pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: now we have English language names only
[6:40pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: which is not acceptable for D8 release
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[6:41pm] andypost: GaborHojtsy: I still think that language names should be used as is. without translation
[6:41pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: English only?
[6:41pm] andypost: as user entered
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[6:41pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: are your Russian customers fine with "Russian" displayed on the page despite everything else in other languages?
[6:42pm] andypost: GaborHojtsy: do you wanna get rid of standard_language_list()?
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[6:42pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: or if you have a multilingual website, and you want to show language names for each node when visiting the node overview admin page
[6:42pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: each node would have the language NOT in the admin language you are using but in the language of the language?
[6:43pm] andypost: GaborHojtsy: for UI purposes we have core butstrapped full so no problem with translation
[6:43pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: русский / Magyar / Deutch / בר
[6:43pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: which languages are these?
[6:43pm] andypost: GaborHojtsy: I this the langcode of languageEntity is a primarykey
[6:44pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: if we skip working on this issue, then its not a config entity
[6:45pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: I interpreted your proposal to "Let's leave this issue alone" as "don't need for Drupal 8"
[6:46pm] andypost: GaborHojtsy: not! we need it!
[6:48pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: ok, we agree on that
[6:49pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: so I don't know how soon the compile patch would be ready
[6:49pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: and technically the language list can be converted possibly post dec 1st
[6:49pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: so I'm not very concerned for this so long as we agree on the goals
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[6:55pm] GaborHojtsy: anybody else has questions?
[6:55pm] GaborHojtsy: just a PSA: we are to have a bad camp sprint on the 2nd and 5th and 6th of November
[6:55pm] GaborHojtsy: and a little bit on the 3rd and 4th
[6:56pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: catch committed http://drupal.org/node/1785974 just now
[6:56pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1785974 => Move ConfigEntity into a Core component => Drupal core, configuration system, major, fixed, 19 comments, 6 IRC mentions
[6:56pm] andypost: GaborHojtsy: great! are you use langcode as PK for congit entity?
[7:03pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: what does PK mean for config files?
[7:03pm] andypost: GaborHojtsy: the name of file used in find_with_prefix
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[7:04pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: I don't think we wanted to include the langcode in the name of the file
[7:04pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: we should have a top-level langcode property in the file
[7:04pm] andypost: GaborHojtsy: you this it should be a one file?
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[7:04pm] andypost: not sure
[7:04pm] andypost: because config admin form and a lot of other things should be overriden
[7:05pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: well, whether its in the filename or as a top level lancode, it is logically on the same level,
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[7:05pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: how is the admin form override related to file naming?
[7:06pm] andypost: this issue http://drupal.org/node/1781372
[7:06pm] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1781372 => Add an API for listing (configuration) entities => Drupal core, config.module, major, needs work, 71 comments, 29 IRC mentions
[7:07pm] andypost: GaborHojtsy: anyway I have to think a bit about a one-file approach, probably this idea could make sense
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[7:12pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: there is already a CMI translation feature committed which is NOT one file based
[7:12pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: you mean one file for all languages?
[7:12pm] andypost: yes
[7:12pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: instead of converting them to configentities?
[7:12pm] andypost: a one entoty like factory... a kind of
[7:15pm] andypost: GaborHojtsy: we have language manager propably we could incapsulate the logic into and have LanguageEntity as overriden class with subcalls to the manager
[7:15pm] andypost: not sure for not... just thoughts
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[7:17pm] GaborHojtsy: andypost: I don't get that
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[7:18pm] andypost: GaborHojtsy: forget... I'll try it on weekend
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[7:25pm] GaborHojtsy: ok, thanks all, thanks andypost
[7:25pm] GaborHojtsy: I'm running out of batter power
[7:25pm] GaborHojtsy: saving the chat log though