(06:05:16) stevepurkiss: KatteKrab: I'd like to ask the same question again to all candidates as I did yesterday: "If you could wave a magic wand and change one thing about the Drupal Association, what would it be and why?" thx
(06:06:29) stephelhajj: hallo everybody (donna)
(06:06:37) stephelhajj: welcome to our second meet the candidates call for vote drupal 2013
(06:06:51) stephelhajj: fabulous (me) from the da is going to be scribing for us, thank you much steph
(06:07:05) stephelhajj: i've asked each candidate to give a brief introduction of what they'll bring to the board
(06:07:32) stephelhajj: then we'll start with some questions, we've already got 1 in irc, hopefully we'll get a few more and then towards the end i'll have the candidates ask questions of each other
(06:07:47) stephelhajj: not each question needs to answer via voice, but can also answer in irc
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(06:07:53) stephelhajj: questions? ok great
(06:08:02) stephelhajj: todd are you on the call ? no
(06:08:05) stephelhajj: morten?
(06:08:11) j_matthew_s: yes - morten
(06:08:34) stephelhajj: first of all i'm pretty experienced in the drupal community i've (sorry interrupted by staff)
(06:08:43) j_matthew_s: mute
(06:08:45) stephelhajj: (echo)
(06:08:58) stephelhajj: (continuing)
(06:09:15) stephelhajj: basically what i can bring to the board is the connections between the community and the drupal association.
(06:09:31) stephelhajj: i can bring a shit ton of energy into a room and can help the drupal association overcome being looked upon as not being transparent
(06:09:44) stephelhajj: and its about changing the hearts and the minds about how valuable the drupal association is
(06:09:49) stephelhajj: now we have narayan!
(06:10:00) stephelhajj: my name is narayan, i am one of the leaders on infrastructure team
(06:10:13) stephelhajj: i bring the voice of the infrastructure team, which is not represented on the board
(06:10:38) stephelhajj: largely whether the infrastructure team should remain volunteer or whether they should become staff. if they remain volunteer, there needs to be a voice on the board
(06:10:52) stephelhajj: jeremy you're up!
(06:11:07) stephelhajj: bert you're up
(06:11:12) stephelhajj: oh hang on, jeremy is here
(06:11:30) stephelhajj: jeremy thorston, i am a drupal hobbyist that showed up one day and now run the testbot
(06:11:52) stephelhajj: i transitioned from this inactive drupal consumer to an active participatory part of the community. i consider myself a success story for the continued (something) of the drupal project
(06:12:07) stephelhajj: i've attended 2 drupalcons thanks to the generous support of the drupalcommunity and want to pay it forward
(06:12:42) stephelhajj: my day job allows me to switch gears and give back … the other side of me the drupal association hasn't seen is what will allow me … i am more than a one trick pony in regards to the test bots
(06:12:45) stephelhajj: bert you're up!
(06:12:56) stephelhajj: i'm bert boerland, i'm like morten but less good looking and less swearing
(06:13:15) highermath: nnewton: should the Infra team be represented on the (governance) board or the advisory board
(06:13:26) highermath: nnewton: or both?
(06:13:31) stephelhajj: i've been active in the drupal community for 11 years now - when people describe me theory use words like non coder, i co-orgainized (something) and barcelona and did footwork for smaller conferences
(06:13:44) stephelhajj: i'm not a coder and that's not a qualification to be on the board but is also not a disqualificaiton.
(06:14:11) stephelhajj: i will look on the legal side / i hope i am not representing a specific group, but everyone / representing everyone, and that sounds big but i want to be there for everyone
(06:14:17) stephelhajj: and chris!
(06:14:43) elv_: Bert co-organized Frontend United this year.
(06:14:49) stephelhajj: i guess i'm relatively new to the drupal community and have been using it awhile but relatively new… i'm not really a technical person though i have a technicall background… i like to ask pragmatic questions and i like to talk to people
(06:15:07) stephelhajj: the wider community, not just the drupal community, the nonprofit community, and actually listen to what they're asking and bring them into the drupal community if relevant
(06:15:10) nnewton: Note: I'm assuming we should wait to answer question such as the one above from highermath until after everyone is done speaking
(06:15:19) KatteKrab: (06:05:16) stevepurkiss: KatteKrab: I'd like to ask the same question again to all candidates as I did yesterday: "If you could wave a magic wand and change one thing about the Drupal Association, what would it be and why?" thx
(06:15:43) highermath: Question: What should be the number one goal of the Board?
(06:15:44) stephelhajj: let's give a start in the middle, naryan:
(06:15:53) stephelhajj: i think everyone's going to have a similar answer.
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(06:16:21) stephelhajj: what the da has struggled with for a long time is communication, there's been a lot of work in that, and it's getting better, but there's been a lot of times when people are talking in irc or at drupalcons and there is still a lot of misinformation
(06:16:24) stephelhajj: bert:
(06:16:26) jthorson: continued (something) above was "growth"
(06:16:44) stephelhajj: if i could only change one thing it would probably be one thing it would be how to help local conference organizers with information and maybe even money
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(06:17:01) stephelhajj: only 2 drupalcons is not enough. 3 may be difficult but helping organizing local people will really help al ot.
(06:17:04) stephelhajj: jeremy:
(06:17:10) stephelhajj: well if it was a magic wand, it'd be instant resources
(06:17:29) highermath: KatteKrab: I asked nnewton a follow up question in IRC. Should he just answer it in channel or wait for some other time.
(06:17:29) stephelhajj: i think for myself one of the big things i would like to change (in a year) is the diversity of the da revenue
(06:17:32) stephelhajj: 70% is dependent on successful conferences
(06:17:42) KatteKrab: highermath: yeah - in channel is good
(06:17:50) stephelhajj: that gives us a big of risk - if there's one thing you could change, diversity of revenue
(06:17:54) stephelhajj: chris?
(06:18:04) stephelhajj: i'm going to give a slightly different answer, and slightly achievable answer
(06:18:23) stephelhajj: i don't often see da mentioned in documentation, guides, i think it's the kind of body people new to the community would have positive feelings towards seeing
(06:18:24) stephelhajj: jeremy?
(06:18:32) stephelhajj: morton?
(06:18:47) stephelhajj: if i could change one thing i would have 10k users to love the da and be a member and feel empowered by it
(06:19:03) highermath: nnewton: so, you are free to answer in channel (if you want)
(06:19:14) nnewton: highermath: then I'd answer that I don't know the answer to that. I feel infrastructure/drupal.org is a large portion of the DA's goal and that the gov. board has in reality a huge impact on decisions on infra and elsewhere. I feel having a voice from infra on the gov board would be positive, but I honestly could understand the opposing view. I'm on the advisory board currently and will continue to be as long as I'm wanted there.
(06:19:30) stephelhajj: basically when you're talking about the revenue stream, making sure it's not all based on drupalcons, (numbers) based on membership fees… when people do not love an organization they won't be member and changing that could bring members
(06:19:42) stephelhajj: did i miss anybody, no (donna)
(06:20:14) stephelhajj: (donna) want to encourage all of you to answer any of the questions in IRC in IRC to help get through questions quickly (and with record in IRC)
(06:20:18) bertboerland: could you repeat the question here?
(06:20:41) stephelhajj: if anyone else has questions can you please repast into IRC (here)?
(06:20:45) j_matthew_s: My question is related to Governance VS Operations at the DA. Where are the lines between what the Board should do vs Staff?  For example - who should be directing mission vs strategic planning vs program management?  Where do the lines blur - or do they?
(06:20:46) jthorson: Given a 'magic wand', if it were truly "magic", I'd give us infinite resources.  Of course, this isn't realistic ... but for me, diversity of the sources of revenue for the DA is key.  Right now, about 70% of the DA operating revenue is dependent on the success of the DrupalCon conferences ... this results in a significant risk for the DA, in that a single marginal conference could result in the DA's year to year operating
(06:20:47) jthorson:  revenue suddenly being 50-75% of what it was the previous year.
(06:20:47) stevepurkiss: KatteKrab: highermath asked What should be the number one goal of the Board?
(06:20:49) highermath: Question: What should be the number one goal of the Board?
(06:21:00) KatteKrab: QUESTION: (06:15:43) highermath: Question: What should be the number one goal of the Board?
(06:21:01) stephelhajj: what should be the number one goal of the board:
(06:21:09) stephelhajj: volunteer to answer?
(06:21:21) stephelhajj: name?
(06:21:24) KatteKrab: Chris
(06:21:34) stephelhajj: chris: to broaden the drupal community to new users
(06:21:38) stephelhajj: (thx donna)
(06:21:53) j_matthew_s: Exand the community I think
(06:22:08) bertboerland: irc is fine
(06:22:12) highermath: Aren't you two from the same country?
(06:22:16) jthorson: IRC okay.
(06:22:27) stephelhajj: everyone else? are you going to answer in irc or should i do round robin (phone) ?
(06:22:54) nnewton: I'd say the number one goal of the board is supporting the community, be that in funding/running larger events, local meetups or supporting community sites or dealing with community legal issues (copyright/patents/etc)
(06:23:00) jthorson: For me, the role of the Drupal Association is to support and nurture the Drupal product, community, infrastructure, and ecosystem.  The key phrase is to serve, enable, and empower in as many aspects of the total community as possible.
(06:23:12) stephelhajj: Q what should the board's number one priority be now:
(06:23:15) bertboerland: my answer: the current slogan fits the number one goal: "to serve and protect".
(06:23:24) KatteKrab: Ok  - everyone on IRC - do you have other questions for the candidates?
(06:23:41) stephelhajj: morten: right now the most important thing is the fallout of drupalcon sao paulo
(06:23:53) stephelhajj: i feel that it was a huge blow into the organization, to the SA community, and to the whole community
(06:24:10) nnewton: re-answer based on highermaths comment: Drupalcon. I feel there are other support systems in place for other aspects of the boards responsability. but the DA is hugely important for past/current drupalcons
(06:24:16) stephelhajj: it showed us there are things we need to fix right now and that there are infrastructures that we need to change and patch up relationships in the SA community and this is not a thing that will happen again
(06:24:26) stephelhajj: we should learn from this mistake/try out
(06:24:32) stephelhajj: anyone else?
(06:24:44) highermath: Question: what should be the relationship between the Board, the ED and the staff.
(06:24:49) stephelhajj: jeremy: for myself, the number 1 priority right now is the overtall goal of the da
(06:24:56) j_matthew_s: QUESTION: My question is related to Governance VS Operations at the DA. Where are the lines between what the Board should do vs Staff?  For example - who should be directing mission vs strategic planning vs program management?  Where do the lines blur - or do they?
(06:25:08) j_matthew_s: related to Highermath's question
(06:25:13) stephelhajj: trying to find a way to facilitate new blood into the community, new business, users, consistent flow and influx of new contributors in all aspects of the drupal community
(06:25:25) stephelhajj: as a fairly recent member of the community my impression has been that i was sort of an exception as a success story
(06:25:45) stephelhajj: i don't see a lot of new areas, of communities that don't have a good way of on boarding those people and bringing them into the fold
(06:25:46) highermath: j_matthew_s: important diff: my qhestion adds the ED
(06:26:00) stephelhajj: (donna) in 2012 the da was trying to achieve 6 goals
(06:26:09) stephelhajj: (2012 da planning in groups)
(06:26:21) stephelhajj: of those familiar with these goals, what 1 in particular would you champion?
(06:26:24) mortendk: link ?
(06:26:30) bertboerland: http://groups.drupal.org/node/197558
(06:26:33) stephelhajj: chris: not familiar with them now
(06:26:38) stephelhajj: thank you bert for the link
(06:27:09) stephelhajj: bert: i think that 6 is … conservative answer… some of those things we should be doing
(06:27:20) stephelhajj: (donna) which would you champion, which would be your pet goal if you like
(06:27:34) stephelhajj: bert: number 5, regional events, and it doesn't' have to be organized
(06:27:42) bertboerland: by the da :-)
(06:27:48) ChrisChinchilla: OK - I'm 2/3 - There a little related…
(06:27:57) ChrisChinchilla: 'they're'
(06:28:07) stephelhajj: jeremy: so for myself, i am kinda partial being a maintainer, i do see as we move to d8 that there is going to be a little bit of a learning curve as we change parts to modernize it
(06:28:33) stephelhajj: having the information available for hobbyists/business, see what has changed, how do i migrate my sites/projects, documentation and learnability tools
(06:28:46) stephelhajj: narayan: of this list, i very much like 3, but i believe 2 isa higher priority
(06:28:58) stephelhajj: of everyone i've talked to out of drupal it's very hard to find modules that are highly reviewed
(06:29:07) stephelhajj: i think solving them would be a high priority
(06:29:21) stephelhajj: morten: the whole organized drupal dev drupal training is a thing we haven't seen a lot of
(06:29:29) stephelhajj: (donna) correction we have had 3 gtds
(06:29:43) jthorson: The first priority right 'now', to me, is to find ways to further facilitate the introduction of new blood into the community ... and when we say 'community' this is more than just developers and individuals ... it's also regional user groups, and establishment of new communities.
(06:29:50) stephelhajj: morten: i don't see that as a huge thing, i would like to see it explode as we did the d7 release parties, doing something over the world for communities
(06:30:13) stephelhajj: new talent, get the community to work across boarders, get the da in on it because it's a lot of organizing
(06:30:15) KatteKrab: *****  Any more questions from the channel? ******
(06:30:35) stephelhajj: it could be 50 events, could be a thing we are building up to, could be a thing to really empower the community, companies could see a (something) in this, and be a shit ton of fun
(06:30:41) stephelhajj: would get a ton of new people into drupal
(06:30:45) stephelhajj: would love to help out
(06:30:53) stephelhajj: (donna) i don't have any further questions floating up on channel now
(06:30:59) j_matthew_s: There were a few
(06:31:06) stephelhajj: what i would like to do is get each of you to write your questions to fellow candidates  in IRC
(06:31:08) bertboerland: i saw a good guestion
(06:31:20) stephelhajj: matthew can i ask you to copy/paste those questions into the stream for me? (donna)
(06:31:20) j_matthew_s: [8:24pm] highermath: Question: what should be the relationship between the Board, the ED and the staff.
(06:31:21) j_matthew_s: [8:24pm] stephelhajj: jeremy: for myself, the number 1 priority right now is the overtall goal of the da
(06:31:21) j_matthew_s: [8:24pm] j_matthew_s: QUESTION: My question is related to Governance VS Operations at the DA. Where are the lines between what the Board should do vs Staff?  For example - who should be directing mission vs strategic planning vs program management?  Where do the lines blur - or do they?
(06:31:31) stephelhajj: candidates, questions in the channels too :)
(06:31:46) jthorson: Question:  What specific initiatives would you suggest as a DA board member, to help drive growth of the Drupal community in new regions and communities which may not currently be represented?
(06:31:51) stephelhajj: from cary: what should the relationship be between the board, the ED and the staff?
(06:31:59) stephelhajj: (repeat from yesterday, governance and operations)
(06:32:13) ChrisChinchilla: "How would you engage new users who are passionate about Drupal but aren't developers?"
(06:32:16) stephelhajj: (donna) going to wait for candidates to put your questions in as well
(06:32:21) stephelhajj: and i am going to sip my coffee
(06:32:32) mortendk: Who would you vote on - if you had to choose 2 of the others
(06:32:32) stephelhajj: which has grown cold over here
(06:32:32) stephelhajj: but i have prepared
(06:32:33) stephelhajj: and made a separate cup of coffee
(06:32:40) stephelhajj: i had to
(06:32:42) j_matthew_s: ha ha
(06:32:43) simesy: (lol)
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(06:32:44) highermath: KatteKrab: I think that you can combine my question w/matthew's
(06:32:47) nnewton: Question: How do you feel volunteer positions fit into the vision of an ED/board/staff split in the DA? What happens when volunteers overlap with staff positions?
(06:32:51) bertboerland: my question: what makes the da succesful?
(06:33:04) j_matthew_s: highermath++
(06:33:09) stephelhajj: matthew and cary's question can be combined
(06:33:30) stephelhajj: (donna makes disparaging sounds)
(06:33:30) bertboerland: i here a windows machine
(06:33:33) stephelhajj: (impatiently)
(06:33:44) ChrisChinchilla: Mines there, keep in brief :)
(06:33:54) stephelhajj: jeremy since you've put your question in i'm going to throw you, what is the relationship between board/ED/staff
(06:34:06) stephelhajj: what should the board do, versus staff -  where do the lines blur, or do they?
(06:34:20) stephelhajj: cary: what do you think it SHOULD be versus what it IS (clarify)
(06:34:37) stephelhajj: jeremy: as the da is there for enabling the drupal community… it does do some strategic planning work
(06:35:03) stephelhajj: it's not an owner or a director, i nthe strategic planning, it is the da strategically planning of how can we enable the direction, chosen by the community
(06:35:15) stephelhajj: the infrastructure is very much a volunteer team
(06:35:23) stephelhajj: they have not received the same attention as other areas
(06:35:41) stephelhajj: i believe there may be a bigger role for the da in the infrastructure side of things, facilitating the evolution of our next gerneation test bot
(06:35:52) highermath: jthorson: I don't think that you are addressing >this< question
(06:36:02) stephelhajj: stepping up this year with the d7 sprint upgrade for drupal.org, i could see more involvement of the da there and less on the volunteers who are a little bit burnt out
(06:36:22) stephelhajj: (donna) the rest of the candidates (for time) can you put your answers for this question into IRC
(06:36:55) stephelhajj: chris: my response will be very much how boards will always been in my experience, boards issue their ideas on strategy and then keeping in check and the execution of that
(06:37:05) bertboerland: Answer to the question of highermath : PLAN ACT CHECK. The board plans, the staff acts and the rest checks. esp the last one is very important
(06:37:10) nnewton: re board vs staff: The board should be directional and staff should be making day to day decisions/technical decisions
(06:37:14) stephelhajj: i guess in this community the execution will fall to different roles, some staff, some volunteer, some unpaid
(06:37:28) stephelhajj: (donna) think i have the questions from all of you guys, struggling  to pick them up in stream
(06:37:32) stephelhajj: (reads jeremy's question)
(06:37:40) stephelhajj: (reads chris's question)
(06:37:44) stephelhajj: (narayan's quesiton)
(06:37:49) jthorson: highermath:  Agreed, I guess I went 'community' instead of 'staff' ... but the role of the staff is the execution of the DA components where it may not be feasible for volunteers or community to do so.
(06:37:50) stephelhajj: (morten's question)
(06:37:54) stephelhajj: (bert's question)
(06:38:10) mortendk: DA: planning +strategy  & responsible. - keeping check & balances, ED make it happen with staff, responsible for DA is in the loop. Staff do it & keep connection to the  community
(06:38:24) stephelhajj: starting with bert's question, asking morten to answer first, the rest of the candidates please answer into IRC
(06:38:30) stephelhajj: hoping to have time for freeform discussion at the ened
(06:38:49) stephelhajj: morten: the da is successful in that morten that the community actually believes in the da and the da does what it's supposed to do
(06:38:50) KatteKrab: everyone - please answer bert's question in IRC
(06:38:55) KatteKrab: (06:32:51) bertboerland: my question: what makes the da succesful?
(06:39:19) stephelhajj: runing conferences, d.o site, basically the community can build awesome websites, so we can develop awesome code… the ad's role and their success is actually just making sure that all of these things just happen
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(06:39:28) stephelhajj: the invisible warriors in making sure the drupal community can do what they do best
(06:39:29) ChrisChinchilla: The DA is successful because it exists and does things, there are many projects / boards that lack this kind of governance or do nothing
(06:39:32) stephelhajj: creating a pretty awesome cms
(06:39:38) stephelhajj: bert (narayan's question):
(06:40:13) stephelhajj: it's a lot of questions in one :) it basically comes down to we have a da and people who volunteer to do work, permanent members, board members
(06:40:15) jthorson: What makes the DA successful:  The DA's success is measured by the success and growth of the community, and the extent that they can remove roadblocks and enable the community to itself be successful.
(06:40:24) stephelhajj: i think it is all one, whether you get paid or not, or appointed by dries, we are all here for the same thing
(06:40:29) stephelhajj: doing things that the community is not well equipped for
(06:40:36) nnewton: The DA is a success when it has buyin from the community for its actions and decisions. I think thats the judge of success for most organizations like this
(06:40:49) stephelhajj: the da adds value in the way that the community needs. protecting it legal wise, protecting the servers, drupalcon
(06:41:06) ChrisChinchilla: Vols - Engaged and reliable volunteers are very important, theres no harm in overlap. However, vols should also have engaging roles and when they move on, work needs to easily be handed on and not left to languish
(06:41:15) stephelhajj: that's where the da should add value, and if ti's done by volunteers or paid people, as long as it's repeatable, and (something) i don't care if it's staff or volunteers
(06:41:23) stephelhajj: (chris's question)
(06:41:53) KatteKrab: (06:32:13) ChrisChinchilla: "How would you engage new users who are passionate about Drupal but aren't developers?"
(06:42:19) stephelhajj: narayan: i think if you mean engage as contribute back, i think there's a huge area for contribution that is not for developers. we've seen a rise in project managers in the community, and shops around the drupal ecosystem has been amazingly positive
(06:42:24) stephelhajj: documentation, management planning, events
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(06:42:40) stephelhajj: there's a huge amount to do in the drupal community and not a lot of documentation on what that is and not a lot of ability to get that started
(06:42:43) jthorson: Enabling contributors who are passionate about drupal but are not developers:  There are two angles on this ... first is enabling their participation on non-coding aspects, and improving visibility of non-coding contribution options.
(06:42:50) stephelhajj: lists of things to do, who to contact, and having those contacts answer quickly
(06:42:55) stephelhajj: (jeremy question)
(06:42:56) bertboerland: my answer to new users but non devs: the da shoulnt be the solution to everyting. the community has been attracting non devs for years before there was an da and will continue. i hope that not for everuthing that isnt "hooked related" peopel will look at teh da to solve it. we -the community- need to pick this up as well
(06:43:38) stephelhajj: chris: i find it hard to maybe answer that question in terms of language, i am an english speaker so that gives me an unfair view in that way: i am a big believer in context and examples of how people can relate and follow.
(06:44:07) stephelhajj: i would like to organize lots of drupal related events, short half day, how drupal can help you as an artist, as an accountant, as a musician, as a non profit board member, case studies examples
(06:44:13) stephelhajj: how drupal helps your business in a daily basis,
(06:44:25) stephelhajj: (morten's question) - asked of everyone
(06:44:37) bertboerland: on irc?
(06:45:03) stephelhajj: morten: bert and pedro
(06:46:02) stephelhajj: jeremy: matthew and morten and narayan
(06:46:32) stephelhajj: chris: morten and simon hobbs
(06:46:52) stephelhajj: narayan: morten and jeremy and matthew
(06:47:11) stephelhajj: bert: jam and morten
(06:47:25) stephelhajj: jeffery a maguire
(06:47:30) jthorson: The second angle (regarding non-dev participation) is providing support to the regional communities and user groups that those individuals are a part of ... everyone agrees that the most amazing part of Drupal is the community; and successfully helping users contribute to the project also implies helping them engage in the community.
(06:47:36) stephelhajj: (donna) i'm going to open this up to a quick chat
(06:48:02) stephelhajj: (steph will scribe for morten)
(06:48:25) mortendk: and its not to be an ahole and grap the mic …sorry guys have crap with my hands
(06:48:27) nnewton: we were supposed to be thinking?
(06:48:28) stephelhajj: (donna) with the call open want to have a general chat about big picture vision for the ra
(06:48:31) stephelhajj: where could we take this ship
(06:48:34) stephelhajj: if we're all part of the same team
(06:49:00) stephelhajj: jeremy: one thing that i would like to see is that that we talk about mentorship and on boarding folks
(06:49:11) stephelhajj: we do not have drupal shops or a drupal association to speak of
(06:49:25) highermath: mentorshp program++
(06:49:27) stephelhajj: ambassador ship program to communities who don't have one help get that base established
(06:49:41) stephelhajj: to parts of the world where druapl is not represented, growth initiate
(06:49:55) stephelhajj: bert: dries would like to have 20, 30, 40 people in the da
(06:49:57) stephelhajj: i don't
(06:50:07) stephelhajj: it doesn't help, and the reason for the da is not to let the da grow
(06:50:28) highermath: stephelhajj: I think he was speaking in 1000's
(06:50:29) stephelhajj: an often made mistake in the da is if it's not (something) related, the community looks to the da and says you should solve this
(06:50:45) stephelhajj: i'm fine with 0 grow so the community will grow bigger
(06:51:03) jthorson: Scribe Clarification:  I come from an area which doesn't have a local drupal user group or any large drupal shops to speak of ... wasn't in relation to the project itself.  :)
(06:51:04) stephelhajj: chris: i was listening to a tech podcast, i used to follow and i still respect their opinions, drupal came up in their discussion
(06:51:38) stephelhajj: very negative comment, i'd like when drupal comes up in a tech discussion that it isn't how hard it is to use, but that how it's a great community and how  (sorry missed the rest)
(06:51:55) stephelhajj: narayan: so i think that the major issue is not necessarily technical or from a business perspective it's not technical
(06:52:00) stephelhajj: but it is impossible to find people who do drupal
(06:52:01) ChrisChinchilla: … You can achieve wonderful things with it
(06:52:05) bertboerland: small correction: "i'm fine with 0 grow so the community will grow bigger" so == if
(06:52:09) stephelhajj: projects are being cancelled because nobody can find people to work on it
(06:52:27) stephelhajj: if i were personally in charge of steering the da in some direction, it would be that
(06:52:31) toxshox [~toxshox@c-24-22-88-189.hsd1.or.comcast.net] entered the room.
(06:52:33) highermath: ChrisChinchilla: we are going to have to beef up out PR budget to rival SiteCore
(06:52:36) stephelhajj: morten: i had a little dream about drupal and where you can take this ship,
(06:53:10) stephelhajj: having this pretty awesome powered system of developers and front end back end designers to help get this wonderful tool that you can actually get this website we dreamed about and get dads and sons and frontend and backend developers can use
(06:53:11) highermath: SiteCore hates us
(06:53:14) stephelhajj: (something about hippies)
(06:53:34) stephelhajj: (donna) thank you all for running and participating in this call
(06:53:40) mortendk: siteCore …what can i say ...
(06:53:45) stephelhajj: i want to close by asking each of you to describe the drupal community in one short phrase
(06:54:05) stephelhajj: in my perspective i've spent some time on the board nadi t's been an incredible experience and shown me that the power of drupal is the community
(06:54:11) highermath: mortendk: what ever you have to say, you probably have the best vocabulary for it
(06:54:14) stephelhajj: given all of that, sum up drupal for you in one short phrase.
(06:54:17) stephelhajj: 3 words, just go
(06:54:17) bertboerland: drupal = we (three words)
(06:54:24) stephelhajj: what is drupal,  the da, the community
(06:54:46) stephelhajj: it's a bit of tough one, so think about it for a minute, this is what we're gonna close on
(06:54:59) stephelhajj: the questions i will pull out and post to drupal.org which you can answer at your leasure
(06:55:04) stephelhajj: chris: dedicated
(06:55:11) stephelhajj: bert: drupal is we
(06:55:23) stephelhajj: jeremy: passion excitement diversity
(06:55:40) stephelhajj: narayan: well meaning perfectionists
(06:56:07) stephelhajj: morten: complicated love affair
(06:56:14) j_matthew_s: next time should do it as a Haiku. :)
(06:56:27) simesy: i've heard this question as "what is drupal" and "what is drupal, the da and the community" that is a bit confusing...
(06:56:31) stephelhajj: (donna) is there any one who wants to ask me a question?
(06:56:32) bertboerland: ++
(06:56:36) ChrisChinchilla: here here!
(06:56:36) stephelhajj: cary: you are doing an incredible job on this
(06:56:43) stephelhajj: you have raised this to a level it should be at, i want to thank you donna
(06:56:46) stephelhajj: <3
(06:56:48) stevepurkiss: KatteKrab++
(06:56:49) jthorson: KatteKrab++
(06:56:54) mortendk: <3
(06:56:57) simesy: KatteKrab++ :)
(06:56:58) nnewton: KatteKrab++
(06:56:59) j_matthew_s: KatteKrab++
(06:57:02) highermath: KatteKrab++
(06:57:03) bertboerland: plusplsu
(06:57:06) farrrrrriss: KatteKrab++
(06:57:07) mortendk: KatteKrab++
(06:57:13) stephelhajj: (donna) i don't have anything else to ask, anyone have anything to add at this point? questions on the process? additions?
(06:57:14) j_matthew_s: stephelhajj++ for scribing
(06:57:25) farrrrrriss: stephelhajj++
(06:57:31) stephelhajj: no? huge amount of gratitud do all of you, great process, the more that get involve the better
(06:57:44) stephelhajj: i want to raisse our voting rate from 2.5% to at least 5% of eligible voters
(06:57:50) bertboerland: higher, we are the 99% :-)
(06:57:51) simesy: FYI: Not sure if this helps. I couldn't phone in to the Australian number on Skype, but an hour of Skype to the US number has only cost $3
(06:57:53) stephelhajj: it becomes each of our job to make as much of the community participate in this proess
(06:58:01) ChrisChinchilla: Thanks everyone… Can I go back to bed? It's 7am :(
(06:58:04) stephelhajj: we have a great slate of candidates, let's get the word out that this vote is happening
(06:58:11) j_matthew_s: thanks
(06:58:13) bertboerland: thanks all
(06:58:14) jthorson: Thanks, everyone!
(06:58:25) j_matthew_s: KatteKrab: are there other ones being slated?
(06:58:26) stephelhajj: woot. (on the record)
(06:58:33) mortendk: thakns :)
(06:58:40) simesy: That was briliant guys, so much going on, well done all.
(06:58:43) highermath: freeconference call worked a lot better today