Anyone Else Routinely Get their Name Masculinized?

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codeknitter - Thu, 2008-06-26 22:53

My name is Erin, and I really can't count the number of times I'll get a reply to an email from a technical contact where THEY CHANGE MY NAME -- usually to Eric.

It seems odd -- like some sort of masculine equivalence thing of Erin. The other thing that happens a lot, are replies that imply that somehow I am misspelling my own name and it 'should' be Aaron. (this usually makes me laugh).

I've tried a lot of strategies like -- repeating the correct spelling of my name multiple times in the same email, and signature etc. -- to no avail.

does anyone else run into this? It drives me crazy!

Oh -- the drupal related thing -- I asked a drupal "pro" for his book errata -- the reply email started "Hi Eric." (begin rant)


That hasn't happened to me...

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webchick - Thu, 2008-06-26 23:05

Although masculine assumption happens all the time in "real life." I actually have a t-shirt that says "Yes, I'm in the right bathroom." ;)

The other thing that happens a lot, are replies that imply that somehow I am misspelling my own name and it 'should' be Aaron. (this usually makes me laugh).

That just made me laugh out loud. I had no idea that people were /that/ entrenched in gender stereotypes. Fascinating... (and extremely frustrating, I'm sure.)


I used to hide behind an

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lishevita - Thu, 2008-06-26 23:46

I used to hide behind an assumed gender when I used the IRC nick "Aserrin". People always assumed that the person with that nick was male, and I didn't go out of my way to correct them. Why not? Because they didn't try to get me into bed with that nick, they always treated me like an equal and "one of the guys" and I never had trouble convincing people that I really am technically oriented when I used that nick.


Oh gosh! This is hilarious.

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brenda003@drupal.org - Thu, 2008-06-26 23:52

Oh gosh! This is hilarious. YES, I have had this happen to me. People directly reply to me and refer to me as Brendan. Like, hello? Only once or twice, though. That's bizarre it happens all the time.

I also used to go by gender neutral names for most of my life online. The whole, "Are you a girl??" "yeah right, why are you pretending to be girl?" crap only needed to happen a few times until I had enough.


Ha

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NancyDru - Fri, 2008-06-27 00:49

My name doesn't get masculinized, but I frequently get "sir" on the phone. I guess from 30+ years working almost exclusively with men.

I've also had that "Girls don't program."

Nancy Dru


Funny! I've had it happen to me :)

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Jacine - Fri, 2008-06-27 01:09

I get called "Jason," among other crazy pronunciations... My name definitely isn't common though, so it's understandable I guess :)

I tend to get attitude (and generally less respect) at times because the guy just cannot believe that I'm going to be able to handle his project... That is until they get to know me of course. It doesn't happen too often too often, but when it does it takes a hell of a lot for me to stay quiet!


Interesting, funny AND true!

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audre - Fri, 2008-06-27 13:34

This is a funny thread... of course, I am ALWAYS referred to as Mr. Andre, which cracks me up. I usually don't bother correcting tho, as it is so much more fun to watch what happens when they realize the mistake. It's interesting to me just how many women make that mistake as men.

Reminds me of one of the worst 'office party' experiences I'd ever had too... went to my husband's office party YEARS ago and got 'stuck' with the wives, who were baffled when they asked what I did, and I replied "I'm an engineer". Dead silence turned quite awkward before the boss' wife burst out that she thought it was great that I worked on trains. After that, I went along and told them quite sincerely that the reason I became an 'engineer' was because I LOVED wearing those cool striped hats. No Kidding, this actually happened.

Love this group, btw :-)

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grammarian - Fri, 2008-06-27 15:50

I get people writing "Gene" who KNOW I'm female. People just don't pay attention and are generally clueless. My first name is as simple and common as it gets and people still mess it up all the time.

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Yup sometimes simple is too simple? LOL

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audre - Fri, 2008-06-27 16:09

Hello Jean,

Yes, I agree people just don't pay attention.

I admit I'm guilty of that myself sometimes and have forever been horrible with remembering names. For me, I remember what someone did, what we talked about, what we ate and what code was written... but names become shapeless blurs in my memory banks. So I 'spose I should be more charitable to the gender-benders who assume I'm Mr. Andre. LOL

I was an 'engineer' way back when only 10 of us were around in the entire graduating class. [ Sadly, yes, I am THAT old. :P ] So really, I am used to it and it doesn't bother so much as amuse.

Nice to meet you btw.

audre

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Wow Jean! I'll never

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webdevgirl - Fri, 2008-07-11 16:19

Wow Jean!

I'll never complain about the Tracy/Stacy problem again.

My name is spelled like the masculine Tracy, instead of Tracey, Tracie, Traceeeee or whatever. People often correct it for me when they reply to my email. Or they just call me Stacy (which I have yet to figure out). Tracy, Stacy, Gracie close enough.

Some people are just not that observant. If it is a person I care enough about to correct, I will just refer to them as a variation of their name. One person called me Stacy, his name was Tom, (I think). So I began to refer to him as Tim. He got the message.

As long as they spell my name correctly on my paycheck I don't care how people interpret my name. :-)


Too Funny

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Tanisha - Fri, 2008-06-27 16:09

You guys (ahem) I mean gals have me in stitches. I've not had anyone masculinize my name but I'm not really doing any hardcore programming for a living either. Hmmm, I'm really truly thinking of switching gears here and digging deep to find out if it is something I really could do since my father likes to remind me of how long I went to school for this industry. I don't think there's much you could do to misstep Tanisha unless you were just really trying hard.

Tanisha


Hasn't happened to me personally

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esmerel - Fri, 2008-06-27 16:44

but then, it's hard to do that with Lynette =) Though 'Lynn' can be either. I've had every mangled spelling of my name possible.

On the opposite side, I've worked with a Hilary and a Stacy, both men. Stacy's sig file was 'On the internet, nobody knows you're a guy.', so I guess he got a lot of 'she' in his time.


man's name as last name provides cover

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heather - Thu, 2008-07-03 11:39

when i was in taiwan, i was constantly taken for a guy- with my last name inverted james heather. made banking fun! but i think that is due to having a welsh(?) last name- which is a first name. but then again, i bumped into a guy online who's name is actually James Heather, and he gets the opposite problem, with people thinking he's female. i like using hjames as a nickname usually- since it means people do assume i'm a guy. dunno what that means, lol.

i joined drupal.org a while back - and i remember when they first added members listing pages, (2004 maybe?) where you could add interests, gender and location info- then click the link to find others like you. i remember someone (presumably a guy) cracking a joke that the first thing they did was check to see where the ladies were on drupal.org. at that point i felt very conspicuous being one of a handful of females.

i went to a drupal meet up in galway, and i was thinking in the back of my head i would be the only girl there- but in fact there were 4! i think 4? out of 12 or something? i think that's pretty good!

/me waves to stella


IRL, no one mixes up my

ceardach - Thu, 2008-07-03 12:30

IRL, no one mixes up my gender. However, online, I lean towards not exposing that I am female. I choose gender ambiguous screen names and keep the topic of conversation away from anything gender specific.

Without even knowing, people make assumptions and sadly too frequently those assumptions are negative. I prefer to stick to the facts and the matter at hand. And frequently, the resulting assumptions are that I am male :)

I suppose I do this because in the face-to-face world I struggle a lot more due to my appearances. Although I am 27, I still look as though I "must have just turned 18". I don't have a serious work face, either, in addition to people's assumptions about women in an engineering capacity. As such, I've been dismissed and ignored on more occasions than I care to continue, so I avoid such assumptions when online.

baby-face

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codeknitter - Thu, 2008-07-10 07:29

I've run into the 'you're too young' thing, and the 'you sound too young on the phone' thing, and my favorite, "it's not just that you're a woman, it's that you sound like you could not possibly help me with my problem" thing, and at one point, that type of habitual discrimination bothered me so much that I quit my job and spent almost a year baking bread.

The year baking bread taught me a lot. First, being a female baker among 18 year old boys wasn't a whole lot easier than being a female computer technician. Second, it was a lot easier to just tell folks who habitually make those stupid assumptions to take a long walk off a short pier. That was pretty good for me.

I hadn't realized how badly all of the habitual discrimination had been bothering me until I tried a different field and literally felt like I could breathe freely again.

Of course, I love the challenges posed by solving computer problems, so here I am again right back into the middle of the thing, but it feels different now, and I feel like being "uppity" is good for me.


I'm not sure that exploiting

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codeknitter - Thu, 2008-07-10 07:35

I'm not sure that exploiting gender, and other types of ambiguity online is the right thing. I know as a 'little white girl' I really don't face all the stereo typing that I could be facing, but honestly. Isn't it good to just be who ya are and let the other people deal with their own dumb problems?


I have once or twice been

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Shiny - Fri, 2008-07-04 02:00

I have once or twice been called Brendan instead of Brenda on usergroup speaking thingies.

Not nearly as bad as a colleage of mine named "Joh" who gets her name corrected by people to be "John", on emails, and on delivery slips for servers.

She went off to a data centre at the other end of the country, where they refused entry to her because she didn't look like a John.. (despite the original notification clearly saying Joh) She had to fly home without completing the work.

Has anyone else encountered data centres where the Ladies toilets were considered unnecesary and therefore used for storage (i.e, completely full of boxes, no entry possible)? In a previous job I worked in buildings from the 1930s that just didn't have women's toilets at all (they were hydro power stations).. the only ladies toilets were 2 kilometres up the road in the office buildings.


long walk to the toilet

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codeknitter - Thu, 2008-07-10 07:12

I have absolutely run into ladies rooms used as storage rooms thing! OMG!! I remember vividly visiting one facility where the women's room was so badly stuffed up with boxes that I looked in, reversed, and immediately used the adjoining men's room.

That's a tactic I've used before. I've flat out refused to walk to the next floor, building etc, and just walked into the men's room without notice. It tends to annoy the heck out of human resources folks, etc., but in my experience nothing short of that gets anything changed.


I admit I've never really

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stella - Thu, 2008-07-17 15:27

I admit I've never really encountered anyone masculinizing my name. However I have been referred to as "he" quite a number of times on IRC. This hasn't happened as often since I changed my nick from "snpower" to "stella", but it has happened even as recently as yesterday. I would have thought Stella was a fairly recognisable female name, maybe I'm wrong. I guess the fact is most programmers are male and so they just assume the rest of us are too. I used to just let people assume what they wanted to assume, but more recently I'm correcting them, and going "umm, no actually...". They're usually apologetic and I find it kinda funny to see their reactions. :)


Especially on IRC

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stephthegeek@dr... - Tue, 2008-07-22 17:22

Haha, happens to me all the time, especially on IRC where people seem to go to the trouble to retype my name as "stephen" or "stephan". Also a lot of "Yeah, what he said" kinda replies. I love calling people on it :)

At least with washrooms at tech conferences, the women's ones are usually empty. It's great to walk past a line of dudes outside their washroom and waltz right into the ladies' with no waiting!

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A recruiter called me a man

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lishevita - Wed, 2008-07-23 17:45

OK, today's email and sms from a recruiting company completely took the cake. They were in Hebrew, which is a gender specific language, and it was obvious that the mail and sms that they sent me were bulk messages that they sent with a mail merge and that they didn't put any gender-checking into their merge. I mean, why should they write a mail merge that checks for gender and adjusts the message accordingly? Or just write your mail in a non-gender-specific way? Women aren't software engineers! Sheesh!

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