Posted by DevElCuy on February 22, 2009 at 5:55pm
Drupalers from: Brasil, Peru, Argentina, Colombia, Chile, you are invited to attend the first coordination meetup for the DrupalCon Southamerica. We need you to define a plan, the strategies, encourage others and make our dream real.
Proposed date: 2009-03-17
Proposed hour: 19:00 UTC
Proposed duration: 2hours
Proposed communication way: IRC (#drupalcon-sa at Freenode)
Everyone is welcome!
Blessings.
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Hubiera sido bueno
haber podido conversar sobre esto antes de que naciera así tan de golpe :)
De todos modos, adelante.
Yo personalmente estaría en viaje aun volviendo de DrupalCon DC 2009 justo ese día, así que será en otro momento.
Podrían informar más sobre cómo ha surgido este grupo, sobre iniciativas de quieens, etc? ¿Con cuáles recursos cuentan, etc.? Eso ayudaría.
Victor Kane
http://awebfactory.com.ar
Victor Kane
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Yo estoy medio perdido en
Yo estoy medio perdido en este tema.
DevelCuy aparentemente también va a DrupalCon DC 2009.
¿Será posible cambiar la fecha?
Saludos!
Jorge
Since Brazil is also
Since Brazil is also participating in this group, I encourage you to use english(will translate group salutation).
And Yes, I'm going to the DrupalCon, can we arrange a meeting? I'm available from 5 to 7 March, lunch or dinner?.
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Let's make a BoF Session
Yeah, I would suggest to have a BoF session about it, what do you guys think?
Cheers,
Fabiano Sant'Ana
+1 BoF. This is an excellent idea
This is the best idea yet.
Let's first of all agree that a Latin American DrupalCon is a wonderful idea, whose time has come.
But let's hope we can improve on this situation. Because if someone wants to launch a proposal, then they should do that, with a document, etc. , which takes into account the trajectory of each group and the drupalista resources that really exist, and, most importantly, after having consulted with all the existing groups that are so easy to find here on g.d.o.
For several years now, we in the Buenos Aires Drupal Users Group have been having regular meetings, all documented here on g.d.o., and up till now have never had any interaction or ever heard a word from any other Latin American group, with the notable exception of the very highly positive communication with the people from chuba, from Brazil, with whom we met and had a few discussions.
Then suddenly out of the blue comes this proposal, without any clear basis or foundation, where there is already a (premature) discussion as to which city should host the event (there are a variety of factors that should enter into play there).
So, a BoF would have the merit of our being able to take a look at all the resources existing in Latin America, write up a document capable as serving as a basis for discussions (people are leaving comments asking where the document is, they are right, there is nothing to read), take stock of what drupalista resouorces we can really count on, etc., and put this whole idea on a sound footing.
I look forward to meeting you all for a BoF Session.
Victor Kane
http://awebfactory.com.ar
http://projectflowandtracker.com
Victor Kane
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My apologize @victorkane, I
My apologize @victorkane, I never wanted to miss any group. Sorry for all the confusions.
I agree with a BoF because sounds better than "coordination meeting" and applies quite better for this premature discussion.
Now, I'm following DrupalCons years ago, so I know the process and of course "the proposal" SHOULD be documented. That is what I expected to be worked on this group.
So, we all agree to have some kind of meeting, let's try to concrete it first :)
Let's back to the BoF, do you want a physical meeting? skype? IRC?
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A bit more info?
I'm very new, so forgive me for asking dumb questions.
Is this a physical event or a web thing?
Where are you planning to hold it?
Anything I can read before asking more questions?
Thanks,
Amir
This is a Physical Event
This is a Physical Event,
DrupalCon is the event where all the Drupal Developers arround the world attend to meet and talk about Drupal, take a look at http://drupalcon.org.
We are planning to hold it somewhere in the SouthAmerica... But we are expecting attendees from all continents.
What about holding it in São Paulo or Campinas? ;)
Well, take a look at: http://drupal.org/node/374199.
Cheers
Fabiano Sant'Ana
Chuva Inc.
São Paulo please! :)
São Paulo please! :)
So, 2009-03-17 is the date
So, 2009-03-17 is the date for an initiation meeting, not the actual event, right?
I'd love to come. São Paulo is fine. Direct flights to and back.
Is this going to be something like the upcoming DrupalCon where people need to scrape tickets on ebay, or a bit more relaxed?
Well, If you bought your DC
Well, If you bought your DC ticket back in January, it would be no hurry and you could even get a discount.
But usually the North American DrupalCons there are much more stressed than Europe ones, I personally expect the South American one to be far more relaxed. ;)
And yes, this date is for the initiation meeting.
But what do you think about having a DrupalCamp (a far smaller event) in Campinas in mid April?
Cool feedback!
It is good for me to know you are quite interested.
To answer @victorkane(thanks for writing a Drupal Book!) I have initiated this group as part of the strategies detailed in my application to Permanent Member of the Drupal Association: http://develcuy.com/node/103. I was not elected but the Board of Directors encouraged non-elected to work in what they proposed, since DrupalCon Southamerica is very important for them(including Dries). In short words, I'm doing what I have proposed into my application.
That said, I want to have an IRC meeting, we can't wait that long to physical meetings. Now, DrupalCamps are part of the "way for a DrupalCon" but I prefer to discuss all that into specific teams, so, we can help to coordinate DrupalCamps in our countries more articulated.
Another point I'm interested is to democratically elect responsible and trusted people to manage money. From my point of view, we need money to bypass some limitations like availability... discussion needed here.
Will receive your feedback 2 days more and then announce the event. I want to see all you subscribed :P
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Great
I really liked to read it...
I'm in... and i will do all my best to transform this idea in real...
Cheers,
Pedro Faria de Miranda Pinto
Blog - http://eusouopedro.com
PHPAvançado - http://www.phpavancado.net
IRC - irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/drupal-br
Pedro Faria de Miranda Pinto
Blog - http://eusouopedro.com
PHPAvançado - http://www.phpavancado.net
IRC - irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/drupal-br
BoF at DrupalCon DC 2009
I think an upfront face to face personal BoF meeting at DrupalCon DC 2009 would be best to start out with, seeing as how it is coming right up in just a week or so.
Those of us attending should constitute a representative group of the most highly motivated Drupalista population in our region.
At our last Buenos Aires Drupal Users Group meeting (see Resumen de la Reunión de BADUG (Buenos Aires Drupal Users Group) at http://groups.drupal.org/node/19199 -- excuse the Spanish, that's the language poeple use in Argentina), we discussed what people were interested in vis a vis the DrupalCon DC 2009, and I look forward to sharing that with everyone.
What we could do is draw up a convening document among us, which could orient and inspire us all to work together to attain the goal of a DrupalCon South America, and which can serve a a kick-start to a future IRC meeting when we all get back.
Victor Kane
http://awebfactory.com.ar
http://projectflowandtracker.com
Victor Kane
http://awebfactory.com
Ok I got your point, going
Ok I got your point, going to open another discussion and leave this one for a later time.
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Nice to join in!
Hi there!
Nice to meet you all!
I apologize, but still don´t get why a south american group would have to be written in english. Brazil has the spanish language, officially in all schools because he knows that the far majority of countries in south america (in fact everyone but Brazil), speak spanish.
I like english too, but maybe it could make more sense in spanish.
I think Buenos Aires is the ideal place to make a DrupalCon ;) but I would love to travel to Brazil too!! (in fact I could have a nice little excuse to make a holiday there. Maybe Florianopolis? Río?)
Or we could see what grups or areas has more members.
There are many ways to choose :)
Anyway, I think your idea is very good!! Thanks for creating this group Christian!
Rosamunda
These are good points to
These are good points to discuss in the BoF or a separate discussion, but for now, we have to respect the rules http://groups.drupal.org/node/19261/rules.
Sorry for any inconvenience (Me gusta mucho más hablar en castellano)
And Welcome to the Group :)
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We should respect the rules
Agreed. While the rule stands, we stand by the rule.
But the rules did not fall from heaven, and surely they may be questioned, and should be open for discussion? They are rules of this group, not of g.d.o.
Whereas DrupalCon itself must be made accessible to English (should be multi-lingual, actually) there should be no reason why this group should conduct itself in English. The more natural lengua franca would be Spanish, there I agree with Rosamunda.
Surely this question could be open to discussion? Again, as I say, it did not fall from heaven.
Victor Kane
http://awebfactory.com.ar
http://projectflowandtracker.com
Victor Kane
http://awebfactory.com
Estoy de acuerdo - I agree
Versión en castellano
Estoy de acuerdo con Víctor, las reglas no caen del cielo. Creo que imponer el inglés como la lengua que rige las discusiones en el grupo sudamericano traerá más bien la consecuencia de desincentivar a muchos latinoamericanos a participar en las discusiones en vez de permitir que quienes hablamos castellano y quienes hablan portugués nos podamos entender mejor.
Creo que merece al menos ser materia de discusión.
Propongo que algunos miembros bilingües del grupo se ofrezcan a traducir los post como respuesta a ellos. Es decir, si alguien escribe en castellano un voluntario posteará como respuesta la traducción a portugués y viceversa.
Creo que es la manera en la que se podría organizar algo de la magnitud de lo que aquí se ha planteado.
English version
I agree with Victor, rules do not fall from heaven. I believe that impose english as the language which rules the discussions of southamerican group will bring us the result of disencourage a lot of latinamericans to participate on the discussions instead allow spanish speakers and potuguese speakers to undestand each other better.
I believe at least it should be a matter of discussion.
I propose that some bilingual group members to offer themselves to translate the posts as a reply to them. I mean, if someone writtes in spanish a volunteer will post as a reply the translation to portuguese and viceversa.
I believe that's the way in which something as huge as it was proposed can be achived.
Saludos
Francisco
Welcome francort! I'm
Welcome francort!
I'm totally open to discuss about which is the better language to use. And as @victorkane said, rules should be respected while they stand. I invite you to start an specific discussion about this topic in a new node.
[Versión en Castellano]
Bienvenido francort!
Estoy totalmente abierto a que discutamos acerca de cuál es el mejor lenguaje a usar. Y como @victorkane dijo, las reglas deben ser respetadas mientras esten presentes. Te invito a iniciar una discusión acerca de este tema en un nuevo nodo.
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I agree too
Hola a todos,
Solo para expresarles que estoy de acuerdo con que las discusiones sean en castellano o portugués.
Salud y buena vibra para todos...
Ysrael
English or Portunhol?
Hi Victoria,
Not all the Brazilian school have Spanish classes, in fact, I've never heard of the public schools in the Southeast and Northeast Brazil providing Spanish classes. I know there was a law that was recently approved about it, but it's not really in practice yet.
And as my Spanish knowledge is far more limited and as we are in a international community, I think we should keep in English.
But if you really want to drop the English, you can type in Spanish, but I will reply solely in Brazilian Portuguese.
Fabiano
Well, we can talk about it next week in person
But Rosamunda's concern, and it is mine as well, is that we have over a hundred members who participate in our group (g.d.o/argentina) many of whom participate in Spanish.
They have a much higher probability of being able to cope with Portuguese rather than English.
The definition of "international community" should not be a lowest common denominator of English any more than it should be Chinese, and I don't believe most Brazilian school children cope with English better than they do Spanish.
I feel very strongly that an international community means a multi-lingual community, which is why the Drupal internationalization and localization features are so awesome!
Anyway, let's all put our thinking caps on and find the best solutions, for this group, on the one hand, and for DrupalCon on the other.
Victor Kane
http://awebfactory.com.ar
http://projectflowandtracker.com
Victor Kane
http://awebfactory.com
Agree on using local languages Spanish + Portuguese
Good Luck on DC and Drupal Latam BoF, be waiting for your feedback!
p.s.: can provide automatic translation? any drupal module available for this on DG? has anyone used AutoTranslator?
Thanks!
That's such a cool idea! Then we could gravitate to what @wundo said as actually the most efficient: everyone speak in their native tongue, or the tongue they feel most comfortable with, and then whoever doesn't understand translates...
Una idea genial!
Victor
Victor Kane
http://awebfactory.com
A custom block may do
with Google Translate gadget, seems you can select your target language of choice: Spanish, Portuguese.
I have started an specific
I have started an specific discussion about Language issue at http://groups.drupal.org/node/19527
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