Posted by izkreny on June 29, 2012 at 2:51pm
1) Connect and grow Drupal community across Balkan region / Povezivanje i širenje Balkan Drupal zajednice
31% (4 votes)
2) Connect and grow Drupal community in BHSCG* region / Povezivanje i širenje BHSCG* Drupal zajednice
69% (9 votes)
Total votes: 13
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Objašnjenje / explanation
Original discussion / originalna rasprava: http://groups.drupal.org/node/238718
(*) BHSCG === Bosnian / Croatian / Serbian / Montenegrin language(s)
English version below...
Objašnjenje:
1) Povezivanje i širenje Balkan Drupal zajednice
Balkan je zaista širok pojam - sudeći prema Wikipediji obuhvaća 10ak zemalja - a ako je cilj da nas bude što više iz navedene regije, onda definitivno nema smisla koristiti BHSCG jezik - iako je sama inicijativa došla iz BHSCG Drupal zajednice i trenutno nas ima najviše...
U ovom slučaju bi preferirani jezik bio engleski, što je trenutno najbolja opcija, jel, budući da je engleski najpopularniji jezik kapitalističko-kolonijalno-zapadno-civilizacijskog svijeta. :P
Negativna posljedica ove otvorenosti jest što bi mogla eventualno utjecati na lakoću / opuštenost komunikacije BHSCG ekipe zbog jezične barijere - osim kada bi jasno naznačili (odnosno složili se) da je svatko slobodan komunicirati na vlastitom jeziku - pa kako nam bude! ;)
2) Povezivanje i širenje BHSCG Drupal zajednice
Ako nam je ovo glavni fokus, smanjuje se broj ljudi koji bi mogli aktivno sudjelovati - budući da bi u ovom slučaju logično bilo koristiti BHSCG kao preferirani jezik.
No, engleski ne bi bio zabranjen, mogli bi ga (is)koristiti u specifičnim situacijama, definitivno prilikom objavljivanja svih bitnih obavijesti - npr. najava Drupal Balkan Summita.
Zašto mislim da je bitno odgovoriti na pitanje cilja grupe?
Možda sam to samo ja, ali meni je trenutno nelagodno pisati (ovdje i na IRC kanalu) isključivo na jednom jeziku, jer ima ljudi koji to možda ne razumiju.
Definiranjem cilja i sukladno tome preferiranog jezika (ili multijezične čorbe! :)) ljudi će znati što mogu očekivati komunicirajući u GDO Balkan grupi i #drupal-balkan IRC kanalu.
Explanation:
1) Connect and grow Drupal community across Balkan region
Balkan is very broad term - according to Wikipedia it's including around 10 countries - and if we are aiming to include as much people as possible from region, then it would be nonsense to use BHSCG languages - although the initiative come from the BHSCG community and we are the majority here at the moment...
In this case preferred language would be English - which is currently best option, since it's the most popular language of capitalistic-colonial-west-civilization world as we know it. :P
Bad side effect could be, probably, negative influence on easiness of communication involvement of BHSCG people because of language barrier - unless we clearly indicate that everybody is free to communicate in their native language - then we could have one spicy multilingual soup! ;)
2) Connect and grow Drupal community in BHSCG region
If this is our main focus, we are narrowing number of people who could actively participate - since we would be using mostly BHSCG language.
But, English language wouldn't be banned, we could use it in specific situations and definitely when we need to announce important news such as next Drupal Balkan Summit.
Why IMO is crucial to answer to this question?
Maybe it's only me, but currently I feel uncomfortable to write (here and @ IRC) in only one language - because there are maybe someone who can't understand it.
Defining the goal and accordingly preferred language (or language soup!) people will know from the beginning what they can expect from the experience and involvement in GDO Balkan group and the #drupal-balkan IRC channel.
The meaning of the emergence of Drupal Balkan group
English version below...
Smisao nastajanja Drupal Balkan grupe jeste ujedinjenje vise Drupal grupa na Balkanu zbog resavanja problema na jeziku na kojem inace pricamo u lokalnim zajednicama, a na kojem se medjusobno razumemo.
Smisao Drupal Balkan grupe nije okupljanje svih zemalja na Balkanu.
Svi dogadjaji ili desavanja u kojima je pozeljno da ucestvuju i druge
zemlje Balkana (a i one izvan Balkana) bice objavljivani i na Engleskom jeziku.
Ukoliko neko zeli da prati desavanja u grupi ili zeli da postavi pitanje na
Engleskom jeziku, nema nikakvih problema, dobice pomoc na Engleskom jeziku.
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The meaning of the emergence of Drupal Balkan group is unification more Drupal groups in the Balkan for solving problems in the language we normally talk in local communities, and where we can understand each other.
The meaning of Drupal Balkan group is not gathering all the countries in the Balkan.
All events where it is desirable to take part and the other Balkan countries
(and those outside the Balkan) will be published in English.
If someone wants to monitor developments in the group or want to ask a question
in English, no problem, they will receive assistance in English.
Exactly!
Slažem se u potpunosti s tobom.
Ako želimo postići nešto, potreban nam je fokus - ako se usmjerimo na BHSCG Drupal zajednicu možemo zaista nešto postići i napraviti razliku - što ste vi iz Novog Sada i ekipa iz Sarajeva već dokazala.
Dakako, to ne znači da nema mjesta za inicijativom koja bi okupila većinu ili sve zemlje s Balkana - iako, iskreno, ne vidim u tome nekog smisla, ipak se radi o prevelikom prostoru - a i ja osobno nemam vremena niti energije upuštati se u takav poduhvat.
Na kraju krajeva, samo BHSCG zemlje zajedno imaju 15 milijona stanovnika! :D
Također je bitno naglasiti kako ne zatvaramo vrata nikome - samo smo odlučili vlastite resurse uložiti u BHSCG Drupal zajednicu. Kao što je el22or rekao: svi su dobrodošli pitati bilo što na engleskom jeziku.
I agree 100%.
If we really want to achieve something, we need to focus - focusing on BHSCG Drupal community is something that we can do and make a difference - Drupal Balkan Summit is real life proof of that.
That doesn't mean that there is no place for greater Balkan group - but honestly, I don't see much sense in that kind of adventure - and personally I don't have time and energy to handle that.
After all, we are talking about roughly 15 million of people living only in BHSCG countries. :)
Also, IMO it is really important to note that we are not closing door to anybody - we are just pointing limited resources to our (BHSCG) community. Like el22or already said: everybody is welcome to ask anything in English language.