[Versión en español abajo]
It was great meeting with everyone and talking about Drupal face-to-face, in person, with real live people!
We spent a couple of hours introducing ourselves, and how we are working at present with Drupal.
Then we spoke about what kind of activities we would like to plan for our new group, and what kind of contribution we could make back to the community, including the Drupal community as a whole and helping grass-roots groups who need to get their message out.
(Kodak moment: http://awebfactory.com.ar/node/175 )
Since the holidays are coming up, and many are going away for the summer (January and February), some of us may hook up in January, but our next big event (hope to be working with some local open source communities on that) will probably be in early March.
Most of us want to learn more about Drupal, evangelize Drupal locally, and work on some modules together.
Some of us had beer, and some of us had coffee, and a great time was had by all:
We will be announcing our activities here, or perhaps on our own local group page.
Saludos!
[Versión en español]
Tuvimos nuestra primera reunión del Grupo de Usuarios de Drupal de Buenos Aires!
Durante un par de horas, nos presentamos and explicamos como cada uno estamos trabajando con Drupal. Luego hablamos sobre qué tipo de actividades nos gustaría planificar para nuestro nuevo grupo, y qué tipo de contribución nos gustaría hacer para devolver algo a la comunidad, incluyendo la comunidad Drupal en su conjunto, y la posibilidad de ayudar a grupos populares que necesitan un medio para sacar su mensaje.
Ya que vienen las fiestas, y muchos se van afuera para pasar las vacaciones de verano (enero y febrero), algunos de nosotros tal vez nos pongamos en contacto en enero, pero el próximo gran evento (esperamos trabajar para ello con algunas comunidades locales de software libre sobre esto) probablemente sea en los primeros días de marzo.
La mayoría de nosotros queremos aprender más sobre Drupal, hacer evangelización localmente, y trabajar juntos sobre algunos módulos.
Algunos tomamos cerveza, y algunos tomamos café, y todos lo pasamos muy bien (ver foto).
Aquí anunciaremos nuestras actividades, o tal vez en algun grupo especificamente para Buenos Aires.
Hasta pronto!
Victor Kane
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Claus! Please send me your
Claus!
Please send me your email (thru online contact form here), I made a mistake writing it down the other day!
Victor Kane
http://awebfactory.com.ar
Victor Kane
http://awebfactory.com
Jajaja! Love the photo!
Jajaja! Love the photo!
But Osvaldo is missing there! (He was the one who took it, hehe).
Thank you Víctor!
(gee, if Victor didn´t bring his camera... we all completely forgot about it!).
;-)
That's one for history!
Well, next time we'll take a real camera, and get Osvaldo in the picture!
Victor Kane
http://awebfactory.com
Hi All, Very nice
Hi All,
Very nice meeting!!!
Just to share an idea, we can work on that. It could be very useful for hispanic drupal community.
This is a Spanish Stemmer. I've seen it specially in one of my sites, that it´s not easy (sometimes hard) to find something within Drupal search, due to, for example, plurals, verbs conjugations, etc.
Also, we have some references that could help, and without so much effort we can make Spansh Stemmer a reality. I think we can join our efforts together, mixing our strenghts, and work on it, addapting one of the existing modules to spanish..
Let me introduce what I´ve seen up to know:
These modules work in two instances, first when the index is built, replacing words with it stem, and in the second place, when you look something in the search node, replacing also searched words with their stems, in order to match stems. This is to avoid mixing pears with bannanas (Is this a porteño's chiste?).
Please, take a look at this references, (if you have some time to... )
1) in Drupal, 3 stemmers are built up to now:
http://drupal.org/project/porterstemmer english. I tested it, worked so fine, and also works in 5.0 but it wasn't ported so far. The porting is in process, only the new info file is needed.
If you install it (before the porting to 5.0), no descriptive info will be shown in modules page, but you can check it anyway and it works fine. It's installed in my 5.0 muletto, www.themessage.com.ar, try searching this words, belove, beloved, beloving, or leave / leaving, come/comes, etc. I got really surprised.
http://drupal.org/project/frenchstemmer for french
http://drupal.org/project/dutchstemmer for dutch
2) References in snowball
http://www.snowball.tartarus.org/algorithms/spanish/stemmer.html (there are stem examples).
http://www.snowball.tartarus.org/algorithms/french/stemmer.html
etc
Also, you can find there, the source algorithms and stopwords of the coding mentioned in 1)
As per Porter recommendations, stop words, should not be stemmed, otherwise, results are going to be a mess.
Spanish stop words:
http://www.snowball.tartarus.org/algorithms/spanish/stop.txt
Then, if this idea is approved by the team, we can go forward.
Saludos,
Gustavo
Gustavo
I would like to work on this with you
Gustavo,
Really sounds like a great project; I want to work with you on this.
Since I only have a few hours a week to work on this, can you write an acceptance test for a first mini-prototype? (i.e., fresh Drupal 5.0 installation, which modules, what module needs to be developed, with what functionality?) and where this could be hosted.
If we could take that small step, then we will successfully avoid "enthusiasm paralysis".
If you set up a subdomain somewhere, then send anyone in the group interested the subdomain ftp access, and set up the project module (if it is ported to 5.0, otherwise a diary book page will do) with the list of tasks.
Then each of us could log in and take a task and just do it.
I am willing to get started anytime.
Victor Kane
http://awebfactory.com.ar
Victor Kane
http://awebfactory.com
buenosairesdug.com.ar domain created
buenosairesdug.com.ar domain was created to run tests. It will be available in few NIC days. Then I´ll create the environment.
Any suggestions about themming or Garland colour set according to B.A.DUG logo?
Thanks all
Saludos
Gustavo
Gustavo
Great, we can create a
Great, we can create a sandbox there for module development and testing!
Way to go!
Victor Kane
http://awebfactory.com.ar (under construction)
Victor Kane
http://awebfactory.com
any news on this module?
Hi,
Have you worked on this spanish stemmer module? Anything you can share at this point?
Ruy
Spanish stemmer
Yes, It's running in production in my sites for about two months, but few things are necessary to be made before publishing it:
"my" stop words have to be put as a parameter, because now are part of the beggining of the module as constants, such as spanish articles "a la las los" (a, the...), another strings that people get used for searching such as "buscar" (search), "donde " (where), and are as much not relevant for results considering the information I know are into my sites. This strings may vary form site to site.
Someone to explain me how to create and upload a module.
Someone to share the support effort derived from maintenance.
Someone wants to join? Please, let me know
Saludos,
Gustavo
Considerations:
Consider that an additional effort will be necessary to process searches and indexing during cron.
Some modifications where made to the algorithms, accents are stripped out before search because 80% users don't use it during search. This may cause some words to as "bajo" (bass guitar, low) and "bajó" (went down) to be treated as the same (as a "b"). Nevertheless results improved by 1000%.
Italian, French and Portuguese (Brasilian) are in "Gamma" test. So simmilar than this spanish module and needs support from a native speaker form those languages.
Accents module has to be deactivated (if present) because it's embedded in the stemmer module.
"Stemmersp" + Synonynms module (synonyms entered in taxonomies that are invisible to users) make an explosive combinations (meaning explosive as a good thing of course!!! lol), for example, you can try search this combinations with almost the same results (why almost? when the exact word is presente in the node, this will be in first order than the stemmed one)
-"delivery de pizzas en belgrano"
-"pediría una pizza en belgrano"
-"pedidos de pizza en belgrano"
-"pedido de pizza en belgrano"
-"pizza cerca de belgrano"
If you want run some tests at http://inforo.com.ar
Regards,
Gustavo
Gustavo
october?
If this can wait until October then perhaps the October meeting can be about "How to contribute code to Drupal.org" which is a topic I'd be happy to present about (I will be in BsAs at the end of September and Victor Kane will return to the BsAs after Drupalcon and some other vacations in mid-October). So...next topic decided?
Greg
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Anything Going On?
Is there anything 'Drupal' going on in BsAs this coming February or March?
I'm curious, given the possibility that I might be through there then.
cheers!
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