Posted by Carl-gdo on January 3, 2008 at 11:52am
To put it simply Drupal.se is for sale to anyone or any entity. I am no longer interested in promoting Drupal on this level. No, I will not donate it. People will just have to live with that. If someone else wants to purchase it and donate it then more power to them. For particulars and discussion you can go to drupal.se.
If you want to discuss this or flame then you are welcome to do it at http://hiveminds.co.uk/drupal.se. Create an alias I want to avoid having any unwanted google caching by having hard language posted here.
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I advise that nobody spends
I advise that nobody spends money on this. I expect that Dries or the association will enforce Dries' trademark sooner or later and so dear Carl will have to give up the domain anyway.
Deeply appalled and filled with disgust.
I am not swedish nor affiliated to the swedish drupal community. As a very active Drupal contributor who uses 100% of his free time in giving back to the communty, this post just shocked me to the core and I cannot help myself but react.
What makes Drupal better than the rest is the overwhelming support from the Drupal community. What's the motive of this creature in hurting the community, particularly the swedish drupal community? Haven't the seller benefited from the Drupal platform and community already? What's the reason behind the greed?? Starting price at 25,000 euros!!!
I am sorry in not respecting his wish of further discussing this issue on his drupal-powered site (ha!). With this kind of behavior, one cannot expect respect.
So please, I beg this creature to become a human being and re-assess his actions. If not, I surely hope that Dries or the association enforces Dries' trademark soon so this appalling existence of a being has no choice but give up the domain.
John
http://www.drupalnorge.no
hvor norske brukere, oversettere, utviklere, og leverandører av Drupal samles
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Unecessary
This kind of mean-spirited commentary is wholly unnecessary, and inappropriate. The legal and community issues surrounding ownership of local Drupal domains is a complicated beast: let's not make things worse by dragging personal insults into the mix.
a personal reaction
I am sorry that some people perceive my previous comment uncalled for but I think everyone has the right to react and air their opinions so let's not get side-tracked on the matter at hand. With that said..
I agree that the legal and community issues surrounding ownership of local Drupal domains is a complicated beast BUT that's not the only issue as I see it. One of the reasons of strong reactions and the commotion is morality - the act and intention of the seller of the domain. I am deeply saddened that this event has occured to the Drupal swedish community.
I wish the best of luck to Jakob and Thomas with drupalsverige.se and I hope that someday this crease regarding drupal.se will be ironed out.
John
http://www.drupalnorge.no
hvor norske brukere, oversettere, utviklere, og leverandører av Drupal samles
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Gerhard,
The Swedish national user group, formed through and around this organic group, has had two meetings so far and we're on our way to building a proper Swedish support site as well as organizing a Drupal camp during the spring. Our attempts to cooperate with Carl McDade regarding this domain name have so far failed. This recent action by Card is sadly just one in a series of attempts by him to use the community efforts for personal gain.
We've proposed that the domain name drupalsverige.se which we're currently using will be donated to the Drupal Association. The Drupal consulting company Thomas Barregren (TBarregren) and I represent, Webbredaktören, is prepared to pay the annual fee for this domain name in our effort of helping to create a Drupal community in Sweden.
We hope drupal.se can be transferred to the Drupal Association as well, and we're prepared to pay the annual fee for this domain as well. Our intention has been, and will always be, to use the domain name to run a Swedish support for developers and end users in Sweden and Scandinavia.
I sincerely hope Carl will give up his weak claim and just sell this domain to the Drupal Association for a nominal fee, as has been done in other similar cases. Carl has no right to the trademark and any attempts at arbitration will without doubt end in favor of the Drupal Association.
Sincerely,
Jakob Persson
Webbredaktören - www.webbredaktoren.se
Jakob Persson – Leancept – Results-only digital and marketing consultants – Personal blog
I am glad you won't let Carl
I am glad you won't let Carl drag you down. The German community also can't use drupal.de but is doing fine at drupalcenter.de instead. So there is no real reason to worry. I don't think that the association will need to hold all those domains. We will shortly publish a trademark FAQ which will most likely be going along the lines of the Ubuntu FAQ. So, all non-commercial sites should be fine.
Of course, if people desperately want the association to own the domain, we can maybe work something out.
My guess would be that this would also have to be given to Dries
Plus any other inactive TLD that is owed by someone other than Dries. If proof is shown that the Drupal Assocation owns all or part of these TLDs then I will consider it.
Aren't you ashamed of yourself?
Dries is obviously the rightful owner of Drupal as a brand in Sweden. If not already registered at PRV, he certainty has that right by prescription. Hence, you will loose an Alternative Dispute Resolution proceedings (ADR) with IIS.
Thomas Barregren – Webbredaktören
The blue closet smells...
What's pissed people off is not that the Drupal Association does not own the domain name but that you have obviously attempted to make significant monetary gain by trying to sell an asset which isn't fully yours, mooching of the efforts of the community and indirectly obstructing the work we've done to promote Drupal in Sweden. It's the blatant show of opportunism and greed which has set people on edge. Using a Swedish expression, you've shit in the blue closet and burned all bridges at the same time, intentionally or not.
There may be a cultural dimension to this as well since in Scandinavia we have very general concept of fair play, unlike the opportunistic behavior that is often encouraged in America. Your actions may, from your cultural perspective, be viewed as inventive and a sign of a good business sense but here in Scandinavia, they're seen as greedy, selfish and an attempt at claiming what isn't rightfully yours.
I also believe that NIC-SE and the ADR will doubtlessly rule in favor of the Drupal Association so I suggest you carefully consider your options at this point. The similar case I was referring to concerned drupal.nl.
Sincerely,
Jakob Persson
Webbredaktören - www.webbredaktoren.se
Jakob Persson – Leancept – Results-only digital and marketing consultants – Personal blog
So no one is profiting from Drupal?
Why is that having a consultancy or selling a website or starting a website for jobs, design, showcase or etc. all using either the Drupal name or the software is okay. But simply being outright and honestly sell something for the right reasons and its true worth is wrong? is it the amounts? Why say one person is wrong for trying to make a euro but others are right for making profits from other avenues? Sounds a bit double side to me.
It's the nature of doing business with open source
The simple answer: It's the nature of doing business with open source as well as the Scandinavian idea of honest and right.
I think what you're trying to do is morally wrong, for several reasons:
There's nothing wrong about making money, we all do, but in the world of open source, making money, freely sharing ideas and content go hand in hand. You have to be honest though, and separate the two. Contribution without conditions is a beautiful concept, and it works commercially in the Drupal world as well, as Lullabot has shown. Your action is "old school capitalism" and it doesn't run well with Swedish or open source ethics or standards - thus the uproar.
Sincerely,
Jakob Persson
Webbredaktören - www.webbredaktoren.se
Jakob Persson – Leancept – Results-only digital and marketing consultants – Personal blog
Very well said.
I just would like to say that I strongly agree with this comment.
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This is also known as
This is also known as cybersquatting. Ever heard of UDRP? There is no way that any arbitrator would side with you if a complaint is filed. I would strongly suggest to any potential buyers that they seriously reconsider as you will lose a lot of money if you purchase this domain.
Looks like he dropped his price!
Looks like he dropped his price, now it's only $5,000 for Drupal.se, Drupal.st and Wordpress.st! What a bargain ;)
Drop another 0 off it and he might be close to it's real market value... What with who ever buying it risking having it taken off them at any point...