Drupalcon Churches BOF (Updated)

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We had a great Churches BOF this year at DrupalCon Portland. We had a full room and a great discussion on a a variety of topics. Please use this thread to add notes related to the BOF discussion.

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Looking forward to Thursdays BOF

toddtomlinson's picture

For those of you who haven't looked at the BOF board at DrupalCon Portland - there's a BOF meeting Thursday afternoon.

Great BOF

markwills's picture

Glad to see such a good turnout for today's Church BOF.
I appreciate getting everyone's perspective on Church web site issues.

Mark Wills
IT Manager
St. Anthony Church and School Tigard Oregon
www.stanthonytigard.org (not yet a Drupal site)

BOF summary

drupalninja99's picture

Thanks to everyone for a great BOF. Here are a few quick notes on some topics covered:

  1. Organic groups - this sounds like a tool that has been leveraged on many sites to create groups and access control around content
  2. Auto-tithing / contributions - Civi-crm was a big player here, also I mentioned stripe as a great tool for easy PCI compliance.
  3. CRM - Civi-crm, Redhen is also a Drupal-based crm tool to keep an eye on. It sounds like salesforce is used as well
  4. Church member directories - again Organic groups was mentioned here as well. This branched into a discussion ab technology and ministry and whether churches should have a 'technology ministry.'
  5. Volunteer scheduling - signup module mention, OG once again. http://www.onthecity.org/ was mentioned as one pretty expensive option. http://get.planningcenteronline.com/ was mentioned as a cheaper alternative. I want to create a new thread ab creating a planning center module as that seemed to draw interest.
  6. Integration with Church systems - some have dealt with clunky desktop software like "Church Windows." Many are moving to strictly cloud-based member management. Churches should look at small non-profits for inspiration as they have similar challenges. http://www.nten.org/ is an org for non-profit technology and is a good resource (albeit left-leaning).
  7. Content creation workflows - the workflow module was mentioned as a great tool for moderating content. You can have some users able to submit content while others have the ability to approve that same content. Workbench / total control workbench modules were also mentinoed.
  8. OpenChurch - I gave a little talk on what OpenChurch can do and mentioned that I will be even simplifying OC more when I plan the 8x build (prob not until next year). See http://openchurchsite.com/ or the OpenChurch project page for more info.

Please add any other notes from the BOF you would like to include.

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Also another thing I talked

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Also another thing I talked to a couple people about afterwards is that I am going to work on a workflow for my churches upcoming site rebuild which will be an experiment in a new kind of workflow.

Knowing that Drupal is a bit difficult to administer my plan would be to use Facebook for a lot of the weekly & community content generated for the site. I would then syndicate that content from the churches' Facebook page back to the website. This would allow administrators to create the content in Facebook first (which is very simple) and push it back to the site (via RSS). The idea is that people are going to rarely if ever visit the actual website. In my humble opinion a small church website's most useful purpose is communicating service times and location + additional visitor info about the church. I think having events, news, etc. originate in Facebook would foster more community interaction and also relieve the administrative burden of maintaining that content.

Some content would still need to be updating on the Drupal church site itself but I would try to keep that to a minimum. Most of that content would be content that rarely changes. Thoughts?

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Also worth checking out for

jtbayly's picture

Also worth checking out for simplifying communication among groups in a church or to the entire church: tableproject.org

We just started using it in January, and people have been using it to ask for prayer share (physical) stuff with each other, and coordinate meals and other cooperative volunteer tasks.

I'm a fan.

-Joseph

Facebook Integration

metzlerd's picture

It may have improved, but I tried the facebook rss feed once and ran into a lot of problems with the RSS feed either breaking or moving. It turned out to be more trouble that it is worth. You might consider just pushing facebook account logins onto your church website so that people could not have to deal with logging in. I don't think that creating drupal content needs to be any harder or easier than facebook.

Our facebook page ended up being much more social than our church website. (Posting of memes and such). You may end up stopping that activity by limiting posters to those who would be able to push content on the web site.

Good luck and let us know how it goes.

Drupal as the source

andyguzman's picture

With regards to Karen's keynote, what about working on the admin side of Drupal so it is simple to create new events/schedules with good semantic data and then using that as the source to render things like newsletters (maybe via print.css), HDTV display calendars, blocks on a webpage, and even an outgoing feed into the facebook api.

I would be worried about getting trapped into or too reliant on facebook. If you make it easy for users to put the content in, then you can shift it around wherever you need it to go if you have it in Drupal to start. If you start in facebook, you're at the whim of any changes they decide to make.

@metzlerd that is a good

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@metzlerd that is a good point. Ya I will let you know how it goes. It appears our churches redesign is dragging on in the "design" phase of which I am not a part. I imagine I will start development at some point in the next couple months. I would just like to figure out a way to make administration as easy as possible so that's why I want to try my Facebook idea first.

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Good thoughts @andyguzman. So

drupalninja99's picture

Good thoughts @andyguzman. So my idea does not necessarily tether Drupal to Facebook forever. Facebook would just be an easier front-end to get the content into Drupal. But if Facebook wasn't working or was cumbersome or whatever, I would just disable the feeds I was using and have content authors input the content directly into Drupal. The Facebook idea is just a way to make it easier to get fresh content onto Drupal. It would be used for news, events, media + whatever else we think is useful. For timely content I would like to make it as easy as possible to input.

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