[1:45pm] bmcmurray: the logging should be working now for my IRC client
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[1:46pm] johnbarclay: my client seems to be logging also.
[1:47pm] bmcmurray: cool
[1:47pm] bmcmurray: so how's it going?
[1:47pm] johnbarclay: good. this camp is succeeding more than I expected. A little distracting, but glad there is interest
[1:48pm] bmcmurray: yeah, i don't think any of us imagined we'd get such a response like this
[1:48pm] johnbarclay: about 8 of the people are from my own college which is nice
[1:48pm] bmcmurray: has there been any promotion on campus beyond just the webmaster lists?
[1:49pm] johnbarclay: the ed-tech people promoted it to their own group.
[1:51pm] bmcmurray: did it circulate around to student groups? ACM has a pretty big presence at UIUC doesn't it?
[1:52pm] johnbarclay: the college of ed where i work is kicking in for some refreshments so I think it will all be covered except lunch for non-presenters
[1:52pm] johnbarclay: I believe it went to ACM at some point. I'll make sure the final invite goes to them
[1:53pm] bmcmurray: very cool
[1:59pm] bmcmurray: sven is meeting with BU people this week to decide on a date for BU's Boot Camp
[2:02pm] johnbarclay: looks like the following breakdown: Bradly: 2
[2:02pm] johnbarclay: UIS: 1
[2:02pm] johnbarclay: UIC: 2
[2:02pm] johnbarclay: UIUC Ed Tech: 9
[2:02pm] johnbarclay: UIUC College of ED: 7
[2:02pm] johnbarclay: UIUC Other Colleges and Depts: 32
[2:02pm] johnbarclay: Champaign and Other: 10
[2:02pm] johnbarclay: A date will help us promote it.
[2:03pm] jhtodd joined the chat room.
[2:03pm] jhtodd: Ah, there we go! I guess port 6667 was blocked.
[2:03pm] johnbarclay: the devil port
[2:03pm] jhtodd: EL PUERTO DIABLO!
[2:04pm] KarenS joined the chat room.
[2:04pm] KarenS: hi all
[2:04pm] johnbarclay: hey
[2:05pm] bmcmurray: hey karen
[2:07pm] johnbarclay: I'm guessing this is it. Should I tell the #drupal channel this is where we are in case someone else from the group missed the move to drupal-illinois
[2:08pm] KarenS: sure, not a bad idea
[2:09pm] KarenS: OK, nobody jumped in, so this is probably it
[2:10pm] johnbarclay: My first question is if we are up for a webcast? The UIC people are set up to run one if we want. The only drawback is having the sofware running on the presenation computer.
[2:11pm] KarenS: I'm neutral, I guess it would be nice to have, but it complicates things
[2:11pm] jhtodd: I'm up for it as long as we can get the software we need on the presentation machine
[2:11pm] KarenS: are we going to share the same machine
[2:11pm] KarenS: ?
[2:11pm] johnbarclay: My preference would be
[2:11pm] johnbarclay: to share one and have the webcast people from chicago bring one down and
[2:11pm] johnbarclay: set it up and test.
[2:11pm] KarenS: +1 for that :)_
[2:12pm] jhtodd: If we do the webcast, it sounds like that's the way to go
[2:12pm] KarenS: I think my presentation will entirely be using the web site, no power point
[2:12pm] KarenS: so that works for me
[2:13pm] johnbarclay: mines on the web also
[2:14pm] KarenS: I think at most I might want to have a way to set some things up ahead of time...
[2:14pm] KarenS: but if we're using the web site you set up, I assume I can do that
[2:14pm] bmcmurray: sven and i typically use powerpoint but i don't know if he'll need it
[2:15pm] johnbarclay: we can have powerpoint on the machine for sure
[2:15pm] bmcmurray: how is sound capture going to work?
[2:15pm] jhtodd: I've been working with powerpoint but I can live with web-only too. I wouldn't mind having some way to edit the theme files though. One thing I've been thinking about is taking 5 minutes to show how easy it is to "drupalize" an existing design
[2:16pm] johnbarclay: there will be a mic pushing into the computer for the webcast
[2:16pm] bmcmurray: are the afternoon's activities going to be webcast as well?
[2:17pm] johnbarclay: could be. I have some questions about the afternoon also. Should we go until 3:30 or 4:00? Should we have a demo/presentation slot alongside hands on?
[2:17pm] jhtodd: I think that would be harder and less useful since it sounds like it's going to be more hands-on than informational
[2:18pm] bmcmurray: (which brings up what are we going to talk about in the p.m., but let's settle webcasting first before moving on)
[2:18pm] KarenS: I like leaving time for hands-on, but we need to be available to answer questions...
[2:18pm] KarenS: so we should not get involved doing something else
[2:19pm] KarenS: actually, I would do hands on at the beginning of the afternoon
[2:19pm] bmcmurray: what is the likelihood that people will be working on drupal projects that they'll want help with? or are we thinking 'hands-on' more in the vein of a Lullabot site-building session?
[2:20pm] KarenS: I think we're going to let them try it out, see how it works. You can only sit and listen so long
[2:20pm] KarenS: especially about things you have never used
[2:20pm] bmcmurray: KarenS: agreed; so do we want to lead people through building some sort of easy (and maybe pertinent) example site?
[2:20pm] KarenS: I think that time period will be a good chance for them to switch gears and find out what kind of questions they have after trying it out
[2:21pm] johnbarclay: I think most people will be fairly new to drupal. We will have 2 rooms with projectors. If we all stayed in one room, part of the hands on could be a walk through
[2:21pm] johnbarclay: for part of the group
[2:21pm] johnbarclay: I made a pre-survey where we can ask about experience (or anything else): https://drupaldemo.ed.uiuc.edu/node/add/pre-bootcamp-survey
[2:21pm] KarenS: we could split them up, some people will want to dive in on their own, others will like a walk through
[2:22pm] KarenS: Also, we have a lot of modules available that I'm not familiar with, and others I know very well...
[2:23pm] KarenS: so we should float around and help people who are trying to use things we know
[2:24pm] KarenS: OR we could do a couple different walk throughs -- one using some of those survey and biblio tools (which I don't know much about)
[2:24pm] KarenS: and another doing something with cck and views (which I can be pretty helpful with)
[2:24pm] KarenS: we have 2 projectors??
[2:25pm] bmcmurray: I'm with KarenS, i don't know much about the survey and biblio modules that were on the list
[2:25pm] johnbarclay: we can have one in each room. But we don't need to use both rooms.
[2:25pm] jhtodd: Me either. On the other hand, the fact that we're all familiar with CCK+Views but not many of us use survey or biblio might tell us something... (:
[2:25pm] KarenS: just thinking we could have a different walk through at each one
[2:26pm] KarenS: We might not want to have modules available that no one knows how to use
[2:26pm] johnbarclay: I don't know about the biblio or survey modules either. I just have them there by request for a future project
[2:26pm] KarenS: plus we don't want to overwhelm them with too many options
[2:27pm] KarenS: Maybe one session on admin stuff like users and another on building things with cck and views
[2:27pm] jhtodd: Yeah, my experience was that it was very easy to find what I needed once I learned how to fish
[2:27pm] KarenS: john, maybe you should talk about how to integrate into ldap, isn't that something they would want to know?
[2:27pm] jhtodd: As long as we make it clear that there are lots and lots of contrib modules, I don't think we need to cover too many unless they have specific requests
[2:27pm] jhtodd: That's something I would want to know!
[2:28pm] bmcmurray: i think that sticking to our power modules (cck, views, etc) will let us show them that 80 (maybe 90?) percent of a sites features can be built-out without extra modules
[2:28pm] KarenS: which is pretty powerful in itself
[2:28pm] bmcmurray: Sven has mentioned covering how to do LDAP integration
[2:29pm] KarenS: was it him? I thought it was John, Anyway someone should probably cover it
[2:29pm] bmcmurray: he and i weren't sure if that'd be of interest unless people were thinking about building a highly collaborative site like we have for multimedia.bradley.edu
[2:29pm] johnbarclay: ldap. I can mention it in the advanced topics and show the configuration in the demo.
[2:29pm] jhtodd: So, I sort of feel like I've missed some information. Do we have a central Drupal site we're going to use for our presentations and demos, or are we each rolling our own?
[2:29pm] KarenS: I assume we're using the site John set up, which is very nice BTW:)
[2:30pm] johnbarclay: we can do both. I have a site setup and themed at https://drupaldemo.ed.uiuc.edu/
[2:31pm] jhtodd: Is that something I could get into so I could cook up a quick custom theme as a demo?
[2:31pm] johnbarclay: so maybe we should decide if we want to go until 3, 3:30 or 4 first, then figure out the afternoon content.
[2:32pm] KarenS: OK, so the morning would be the run-though of all our topics, that much for sure...
[2:32pm] jhtodd: Well, my feeling would be that we should go to 4 and if people don't want to stay, they won't
[2:32pm] KarenS: Then first thing in the afternoon, hands on, for a change of pace and a chance to see things...
[2:32pm] KarenS: Then wrap up with questions (assuming there will be lots more after they get their hands on things)
[2:33pm] KarenS: I wouldn't press too late, this kind of session is pretty wearing
[2:33pm] jhtodd: I guess it is a Friday too
[2:33pm] KarenS: And they can ask more questions during our social time, too
[2:34pm] jhtodd: Oh, I thought that was included
[2:34pm] KarenS: yep, I'd lean toward ending earlier rather than later, leave 'em panting for more
[2:34pm] bmcmurray: did people see my post about a bit of an "inspiration" session along with whatever closing statements at the end of the afternoon?
[2:34pm] KarenS: looking..
[2:34pm] bmcmurray: KarenS: And we'll have the date for BU's Drupal Camp to plug too where they can get more
[2:34pm] KarenS: bmcmurray, right!
[2:35pm] KarenS: bmcmurray, where is your post?
[2:35pm] bmcmurray: http://groups.drupal.org/node/9753#comment-33198
[2:37pm] KarenS: nice idea, maybe after the hands-on stuff? The only thing I'm worried about is that we have so much to cover
[2:37pm] johnbarclay: i think a 3:00pm closing session and 3:30 social time. presenters always have more to give than participants can take
[2:37pm] KarenS: sounds good to me
[2:37pm] bmcmurray: KarenS: that's what I was thinking (after the hands-on stuff).
[2:38pm] bmcmurray: johnbarclay: yeah, i imagine the participants' heads will be swimming after everything we cover (hopefully excitedly)
[2:38pm] KarenS: so how long would the inspiration stuff take? Do we actually have anything to show?
[2:39pm] KarenS: Actually, we should also briefly show some of the high-profile sites using Drupal
[2:39pm] KarenS: maybe at the beginning? not sure?
[2:39pm] bmcmurray: well, we can show some of the design showcase winners (FastCompany, droge.com); then steve can talk maybe about his text messaging project; we could mention Indy's Museum of Fine Art that Crell built
[2:40pm] KarenS: And we don't have to hit everything, we want to have other things to talk about at BU
[2:40pm] johnbarclay: yeah. I was thinking the very first part of the morning. maybe we could give 30 minutes instead of 20 to Intro to druapl
[2:40pm] jhtodd: I do think a quick look at a couple of high-profile Drupal sites would be good for the intro section
[2:40pm] bmcmurray: I am torn between showing at the push-the-edge design sites early...because they take a lot more effort to build than what we'll be covering the rest of the day
[2:41pm] jhtodd: One of the things that concerned me when I was first looking into it was how "Drupaly" all the sites I came across were, so it would be good to make clear right away that it doesn't have to be that way
[2:41pm] KarenS: The high profile sites are to whet their appetites and give them a sense of the power of Drupal
[2:41pm] bmcmurray: sure
[2:42pm] KarenS: we can make it clear that we won't be teaching them how to build one of them, just an into to Drupal
[2:42pm] bmcmurray: I can get in touch with Claudio Luis Vera who has been spear-heading a "Design Outreach" group for some examples if he has any maybe
[2:42pm] KarenS: For the afternoon, how long for hands-on and how long for inspriation and questions?
[2:44pm] johnbarclay: I think we should just use the whole 2 hours as hands on and questions, with presenter led hands on for some of it.
[2:45pm] johnbarclay: Then a 1/2 hour of inspiration and questions and 1/2 hour + social time.
[2:46pm] KarenS: doesn't that take us past 3 pm?
[2:46pm] bmcmurray: if we're showing off some of the design showcase at the beginning of the day, what should we cover in the inspire session?
[2:46pm] bmcmurray: that puts us at 4pm, Karen; if my math is right
[2:46pm] KarenS: I thought we just said we were quitting at 3pm
[2:46pm] jhtodd: 3pm + social hour, I thought
[2:47pm] johnbarclay: yeah we did. How about 2:30 inspiration. 3:00pm social
[2:47pm] KarenS: I think an hour and a half of hands on is enough
[2:47pm] bmcmurray: I agree
[2:47pm] johnbarclay: the questions will come up during the hands on
[2:48pm] bmcmurray: the people who get really into the hands-on will talk to us afterward during the geek social
[2:48pm] KarenS: exactly
[2:48pm] johnbarclay: we also need to talk about how to hook into the central illinois drupal group
[2:48pm] bmcmurray: what do you mean john?
[2:48pm] KarenS: right! At least point them to g.d.o so they can join
[2:49pm] johnbarclay: just tell them not to be afraid and how to turn off email updates.
[2:49pm] KarenS: Handouts, where will they be?
[2:49pm] bmcmurray: handouts, what will they be?
[2:50pm] KarenS: both
[2:50pm] KarenS: I think we should have a place on the website where they can download them, have a handout page
[2:50pm] KarenS: then we can upload things, add links, etc
[2:51pm] jhtodd: Well, the easy answer would be to just compile a list of links to more information, broken down by topic
[2:51pm] bmcmurray: how about tagged links in del.icio.us?
[2:51pm] jhtodd: I'd be happy to run off a hundred or so copies of the handout on the way in, too. But yeah, it should be available on the web too, for people watching the webcast
[2:51pm] bmcmurray: steve and I do that for our druplash and druplex useful links
[2:52pm] KarenS: I'd make them web-only, personally, no reason to kill trees
[2:52pm] bmcmurray: http://del.icio.us/tag/druplash+resource
[2:52pm] johnbarclay: It would be good to limit it in some way. I can make a web page on the site called handouts and allow for attachments
[2:52pm] jhtodd: Well, except that something tangible is nice. Otherwise I guarantee that a lot of them will lose the link
[2:52pm] bmcmurray: since that's a global tag list it could be community driven
[2:53pm] KarenS: I need to run, if there's anything else, ping me. Does anyone have a copy of this log that can be posted on g.d.o?
[2:53pm] bmcmurray: I'm logging and so is john
[2:53pm] bmcmurray: we'll post later
[2:53pm] KarenS: great! I'll talk you Friday, if not before
[2:54pm] johnbarclay: see you. keep gas receipts.
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[2:54pm] jhtodd: bye!
[2:54pm] jhtodd: Doh, too slow.
[2:54pm] bmcmurray: do we have any sort of collateral (posters, banners, etc?)
[2:55pm] bmcmurray: do we need wayfinding signs to show people where we're going to be?
[2:56pm] johnbarclay: i made a map at https://drupaldemo.ed.uiuc.edu/map-and-directions and the rooms are numbered. everything will be in only 2 buildings.
[2:57pm] johnbarclay: we have a volunteer for refreshments.
[2:57pm] bmcmurray: sven, my wife, and i can design up whatever banners/posters we might want (my wife is a professional designer and sven and i dabble)
[2:58pm] johnbarclay: that would be fine with me if you could get them printed also. Its not a priority for me as its a busy week.
[2:59pm] johnbarclay: should we go through the gaps in the agenda?
[3:00pm] jhtodd: Sure, which gaps?
[3:00pm] johnbarclay: the blocks and menus and panel discussions.
[3:01pm] johnbarclay: Brian, can you do Blocks and Menus. I was thinking we might cut this down to 10 or 15 minutes.
[3:01pm] bmcmurray: johnbarclay: yeah, i was thinking about that; what do we want to cover there?
[3:01pm] jhtodd: Ah, I didn't see that that was still unclaimed
[3:02pm] johnbarclay: I just think we need to show how to edit menus. How to make a page or book page show up in a menu when its created and how to work with blocks
[3:02pm] bmcmurray: i haven't used simple menus or nice menus and haven't used the book module much
[3:02pm] bmcmurray: ok
[3:02pm] bmcmurray: books work the same as everything else as far as menus, right?
[3:03pm] johnbarclay: i have simple menu turned on at https://drupaldemo.ed.uiuc.edu/advanced-topics-and-modules
[3:03pm] bmcmurray: is that the drop down up at the top?
[3:03pm] johnbarclay: its just an admin menu on the top to make admin nav easier. you just turn it on.
[3:03pm] bmcmurray: ah, ok
[3:04pm] bmcmurray: i prefer drupal administration menu for that
[3:04pm] johnbarclay: nice menus are just fly out menus
[3:04pm] bmcmurray: http://drupal.org/project/admin_menu
[3:04pm] smerrill joined the chat room.
[3:04pm] smerrill: Hello?
[3:04pm] johnbarclay: then show that. I'll have to try it out.
[3:04pm] johnbarclay: hello
[3:04pm] jhtodd: Howdy
[3:04pm] bmcmurray: yo
[3:05pm] johnbarclay: book pages work like other pages. you just specify the menu title and location when you create them,.
[3:05pm] bmcmurray: ok, that's fine
[3:06pm] johnbarclay: I was thinking we could divide the panel discussion into 3 parts: advanced topics, best practices, and learning curve.
[3:07pm] bmcmurray: i can cover adding things to menus, menu management, primary + secondary menus, and adding blocks to regions
[3:07pm] johnbarclay: that sounds like the essentials
[3:08pm] johnbarclay: do you all like the idea of using the book at https://drupaldemo.ed.uiuc.edu/agenda to add content to the panel discussion?
[3:08pm] johnbarclay: or should we stick with the wiki?
[3:08pm] jhtodd: I think the book works
[3:09pm] johnbarclay: it has the s5 in it (https://drupaldemo.ed.uiuc.edu/book/export/s5/3) for a slideshow
[3:10pm] jhtodd: It's handy to be able to see the whole thing in one big page too, but I think the book is easier to maintain and use
[3:12pm] jhtodd: Well, I have to run in a couple minutes too. Is there anything else I can help with before I leave?
[3:13pm] johnbarclay: can you take a look at the survey at https://drupaldemo.ed.uiuc.edu/node/add/pre-bootcamp-survey
[3:15pm] bmcmurray: are we expecting participants to be bringing their own laptops?
[3:16pm] jhtodd: The Technical Background star rating section is going nuts on my browser (Firefox)
[3:16pm] jhtodd: I don't think we can expect that
[3:16pm] johnbarclay: we just need to know if they are. We have a handful of loaners that we use for classes.
[3:16pm] johnbarclay: for classes most people bring their own, but the loaners are handy when people have troubles.
[3:17pm] johnbarclay: laptops and tables make for a better collaborative space than a computer lab
[3:17pm] jhtodd: The "roles" section in that survey page is also duplicated, at least for me
[3:18pm] johnbarclay: I'll change the five star stuff and remove one of the roles. thanks
[3:20pm] bmcmurray: how are we going to get this pre-survey out?
[3:20pm] jhtodd: Could we send an e-mail to the attendee list?
[3:21pm] johnbarclay: yeah. I wanted to send out a last call tonite and have people fill out the survey. Maybe hide the book agenda until its more done.
[3:21pm] jhtodd: I'll work on my section today and fill in any blanks I can help with
[3:22pm] johnbarclay: there are 3 lists to send to since not everyone is on the g.d.o group: the gdo group, an outlook meeting, and an outlook group
[3:22pm] johnbarclay: I think the morning is better for sending out though.
[3:23pm] jhtodd: I'll also arrange some Oscar-style music to play when people start going over their presentation time limits
[3:23pm] jhtodd: Yeah, makes sense.
[3:23pm] johnbarclay: that will be good
[3:24pm] jhtodd: Okay, I need to take off. E-mail me (jhtodd@uiuc.edu) if there's anything else I can help with
[3:24pm] johnbarclay: bye
[3:24pm] jhtodd: Thanks everybody, see you soon
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[3:26pm] johnbarclay: so with the afternoon panels, can we just add content to the books at:
[3:26pm] johnbarclay: https://drupaldemo.ed.uiuc.edu/advanced-topics-and-modules
[3:26pm] johnbarclay: https://drupaldemo.ed.uiuc.edu/best-practices
[3:26pm] johnbarclay: and https://drupaldemo.ed.uiuc.edu/getting-over-learning-curve
[3:27pm] johnbarclay: and just make a note of who is actually going to cover content? This will be more of a survey of topics than any real coverage
[3:28pm] bmcmurray: makes sense to me
[3:28pm] bmcmurray: i figure we'll all mostly be up on the panel and field questions as they come?
[3:28pm] johnbarclay: yeah.
[3:29pm] johnbarclay: thanks a ton for travelling over. We'll have lunch and hopefully gas $, but can you save receipts for the gas?
[3:34pm] smerrill: Whoa
[3:34pm] smerrill: Sorry, just got back - a student came into my office hours
[3:34pm] smerrill:
[3:35pm] bmcmurray: yep we'll save receipts
[3:35pm] johnbarclay: i missed the part about delicious. do we put the links there and the attachments on the site?
[3:38pm] bmcmurray: well no one else spoke on my idea there
[3:38pm] bmcmurray: but that was the idea, yeah
[3:39pm] bmcmurray: then people can help build up more resources as they find useful info on their own
[3:39pm] smerrill: I use that for my classes
[3:39pm] smerrill: http://del.icio.us/smerrill/mm365
[3:39pm] bmcmurray: smerrill: yeah, i mentioned how we were using it for our druplash resources too
[3:40pm] johnbarclay: I'm good with that. Sorry if i missed the topic IRC is hard to follow sometimes
[3:40pm] bmcmurray: oh i agree with you there
[3:40pm] johnbarclay: I don't use delicious. can you get it started. i have an account somewhere
[3:46pm] bmcmurray: well, what if we tag links with the two terms: "drupalcamp" and "resource"?
[3:46pm] bmcmurray: or do we want to do something else, steve?
[3:49pm] bmcmurray: smerrill: ping
[3:52pm] johnbarclay: sorry. catering questions
[3:53pm] johnbarclay: looks like panera for lunch friday.
[3:53pm] bmcmurray: yum
[3:54pm] johnbarclay: i think we need beginner, bootcamp, or some other intro for trainer
[3:54pm] bmcmurray: what do you mean?
[3:55pm] johnbarclay: ...er for the tagging. so we can separate out intro material for this camp.
[3:57pm] johnbarclay: I'll defer to you all on this. I have to head out soon.
[3:59pm] bmcmurray: ok, we'll figure it out
[3:59pm] bmcmurray: do we have a list of links we'd like to start tagging in?
[4:00pm] johnbarclay: http://www.johnandcailin.com/blog/john/fantastic-four-drupals-unofficial...
[4:00pm] johnbarclay: http://drupalmodules.com/
[4:01pm] johnbarclay: http://www.minezone.org/blog/2007/12/18/drupal-theme-developers-cheat-sh...
[4:04pm] johnbarclay: gotta run. thanks. I'll be online tonite also.
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