Posted by jasonswett on November 16, 2010 at 7:48pm
At the last Drupal meetup several people expressed interest in a "general development" meetup in addition to the Drupal meetup. Before I go starting my own meetup group, it looks like SoftwareGR may be just what I had in mind. I plan on checking out their next meetup and I'd like to invite you all to join me. Here are the details:
When: December 14th, 6:00 pm – 8:00 pm
Where: Atomic Object, 941 Wealthy St SE, Grand Rapids, MI 49506
http://softwaregr.org/2010/11/07/dennis-stevens-the-agile-program-manage...
Comments
Web Dev Users Group
I am interested in a general web development group. Things like HTML, CSS, and Javascript are needed no matter what language you use for the backend. There is an existing Grand Rapids WebDev Users Group, though it hasn't had a meeting. I'm trying to get some activity going on the mailing list in the hopes of breathing some life into the group.
I attended the last SoftwareGR meeting. It was quite formal and I didn't get into a lot of development talk there. It is very agile-focused and often covers high level subjects like usability.
If you decide to start a general development group, I would be happy to help get the word out and contribute.
I would be very interested in
I would be very interested in a general Web Dev user group. I don't think there is anything directly equivalent in GR. Let's make it happen.
Ross-Hunter.com
GR Web Dev
There actually is a group, it's just not very active. Dave Brondsema started the it a while ago. If we want to start real meetings I'm sure he'll be happy to give it a go.
http://groups.google.com/group/grwebdev
Web Development Mixer
First, let's set a meeting date.
Second, let's structure the first meeting for what it is, an opportunity for people with a common interest to meet.
Third, let's reach out to other open source groups in order to expand the size of the circle. For instance, maybe the joomla group, the python group, cpanel group, plesk group, bsd group, linux group etc. Personally, I fall into many of the categories.
Let's share a beer and hopefully a few laughs. After the introductory meeting, maybe we formalize the meeting structure more. But, just making connections might create opportunties for knowledge sharing, collaboration, etc. I think only good things can come of it.
So, let's make it happen. Here's what I'm thinking - how about????
Ucellos - East Beltline & 28th St
Date - December 7th (a day that will go down in infamy)
Time - 6pm - happy hour???
Commitment - 1.5 hours
Bring contact info - calling cards, if desired.
Bring - Money for beer, a smile and a good attitude.
RULE: NO SOLICITING or RECRUITING!
Hope you can make it.
Reply if interested & feel free to reach out and share with other like minded...
Thanks,
Brian Benson
Awesome, lets try to get a
Awesome, lets try to get a meeting going in January.
We could probably do it at Mutually Human Software on Hall Street. I know Dave can get into Calvin too, but I think having a meeting closer to downtown would be great. Or maybe we could do it at the Factory?
I'm sure there is actually a ton of interest out there.
Ross-Hunter.com
Size Considerations
My instincts are that the group will get quite large - even the initial meeting could be big if we announce it to all the groups (like barcampgr). I think we'll want an idea of the number of attendees before we overrun some innocent restaurant.
I would guess Mutually Human could hold about 20 in their meeting room before things got too uncomfortable (we were out there Monday).
I would guess The Garage in Zeeland or Atomic Object could hold more people - maybe 50-60.
I haven't been to The Factory, so I'm not sure how many it could hold.
I agree that a non-institutional location is better. We usually meet at Calvin due to them providing a stable and free location, but I prefer to meet at cool local businesses when possible.
Meetup.com seems like a good place to start organizing. It's language, platform, and framework neutral (you know that the web site is going to be the first war). I can put something up there if no one else has a paid account.
Zeeland is a long ways
Zeeland is a long ways away.
The Factory is similar in size to MH.
Meetup.com sounds good, I haven't used it a lot but I know others do.
I'm pumped.
Ross-Hunter.com
I say go ahead and make the
I say go ahead and make the meetup.com thing. For a name (and premise), I vote "Grand Rapids Developer Meetup" (as opposed to a strictly web-development meetup). Why exclude mobile developers, Lisp hackers and anything else just because it's not web? It's all relevant in my opinion.
Can we meet weekly? One of my biggest gripes with the current meetups is that they only happen 12 times a year. Don't you think that's a little slow for a technology meetup, especially considering you probably can't make it to all 12 meetings? I would be fine with any day of the week except Tuesday.
Focus
There are certainly advantages to having a group that covers computer programming in general. There are several gaps in the West Michigan user group ecosystem (Web, Mobile, and niche languages come to mind) that it could fill. However, I think it's good for the group to have some sort of focus, and to define a technology or group of technologies to form the group around for several reasons:
A more specific subject helps to bring a core group of dedicated people in for each meeting. Members will come and go as their time demands and as their interest in the subject is piqued, but you need those dedicated repeat participants to drive the group. If the subject changes dramatically each meeting, you have less chance of developing that core.
It lets people know what they can expect from the meeting. You might assume that you can just announce a meeting's subject and people will decide based on that, but it's been my experience that a lot of people just don't pay attention that closely. You don't want to waste people's time.
It's easier to advertise what the group does. You need this for bringing in more members and sponsors. It's difficult to describe BarCampGR because it covers so many topics. When people ask, "What's this group do?" you need to be able to state the scope and purpose in a sentence or two.
As a group grows larger, it becomes harder to get participation from those members who don't feel comfortable in a crowd (a common malady among tech-types). There are a lot of shy geeks out there that have a lot of knowledge. They don't share it because they're anxious about standing in front of 100 people for a variety of reasons.
Tribalism is still a part of the human race. To feel a part of the group, people want to identify themselves as a member. "I'm a member of the Web Development group" tells other geeks and even non-geeks more about me than "I'm a member of the Development group."
As you encompass more subjects, your coverage of those topics tends to become more of a high-level view and less of a nitty-gritty how-to. A presenter has no idea how experienced his audience is in the subject realm, so he dumbs-down his presentation for the benefit of the less-experienced. I don't know about you, but I am rarely interested in the overview of a subject - I can get that easily from Wikipedia. I go to user group meetings to find out how things are done at the code level.
An option is to have various divisions within a more general group, with each division focusing on a topic: a web development division, a mobile dev division, and so on. However, I think this would lead to a lot of in-fighting between divisions wrt to resources and group decisions and would have little benefit overall. Autonomous groups make more sense to me.
In my opinion, it makes the most sense to form a group around a naturally-defined set of technologies. I would prefer to see and would attend meetings for an active web development group and a separate mobile development group.
What I would also like to see is more large gatherings of the disparate groups, such as BarCampGR, but that is a topic for another day.
I'm with Ben, I don't really
I'm with Ben, I don't really want to go to a meeting if they are going to be discussing some particular aspect of C programming, for instance. I am interested in Web Development. We can certainly discuss things such as mobile development/mobile apps, and other related areas, but the focus IMO should be on web development to be able to go into further depth on topics.
Weekly is pushing it, I vote for bi-weekly or monthly, I'm a fairly busy guy. Maybe we should schedule a planning meeting and we can put some of this stuff to a vote. I may or may not be able to make it out next tuesday, that is pretty short notice for me.
Let's keep this momentum going though, it's great.
Ross-Hunter.com
After reading what's been
After reading what's been written here I agree that it's probably better to keep it web-specific.
To me, one of the most important things that could come out of these meetings is relationships with other developers. I would compare it with Toastmasters, a public speaking group I attend each week: the speaking practice is only half of the value; the other half is the networking opportunities. It seems to me that it would be a lot easier to build and maintain relationships with people we're seeing each week (or close to it) rather than once a month.
Toastmasters meets every single week and it works out fine for everyone. Just because a group meets weekly doesn't mean you're obligated to attend every meeting.
I think the fact that we're all busy might actually be a good reason to have meetings more often. If you can only make it to 50% of the meetings on average, a weekly schedule means you can make it to 26 meetings instead of 6.
Having said that, I don't wish to debate over the details forever. Whether we meet weekly or bi-weekly or whatever, I think the important thing is that we get the ball rolling and start having the meetings.
Why don't we do this: we know that it's not realistic to accommodate EVERYONE's schedule and we know December is a busy month for people. Why don't we pick a day of the week to meet weekly or bi-weekly, and whatever the first one of those is in January, we'll meet then?
Email list
If its going to be web-specific (and I think it should) please use the http://groups.google.com/group/grwebdev email list. No point in having two separate things about web dev here in GR. I started that list since none existed, and it's great to hear all this talk about meeting.
As far as meeting goes, biweekly sounds good. If mondays, it would be nice to not conflict with the grpug biweekly meetings.
I'm sure when this conversation is taken to the grwebdev list we'll get more ideas too. Maybe we should do a doodle.com poll to easily figure out which day of the week works best for everyone.
Yeah, Zeeland is quite far. I
Yeah, Zeeland is quite far. I could probably attend once or twice a month in GR, if it wasn't on a Wednesday. This could be really excellent.
I just tried to post on
I just tried to post on http://groups.google.com/group/grwebdev but it's not showing up yet. Do you administer that Dave?
We should probably move this discussion out of the Drupal forums.
Ross-Hunter.com
List moderation
Yes, first time posters have to be approved, so we don't get spam on the list. Kyle Adams and I admin the group, and I'd be happy to add anyone else too.
Web Development Mixer
My effort is simply to find motivated people who have similiar interests in web technology that are interested in meeting to share ideas and thoughts. What develops as a result, only the shadow knows.
If/when a meeting develops, let me know.
I hope you don't blame a guy for trying.
Brian
Mixer
The fact is that meetings don't happen unless someone takes the reigns to set a date and location. Even though I can't make it on the 7th, I applaud your efforts to organize a meeting and look forward to what comes out of it.
Meeting Day of Week
I have created a Doodle Poll to help determine what day of the week works best for most people for a Grand Rapids Web Dev meeting. http://doodle.com/kgaw4igrbh2rp5m7
Another related gathering
(Cross posted from grwebdev list, from AJ Penninga)
Hey gang!
Ray Brown (http://bitmanic.com) and I (http://prettysquares.com) have
been working on bringing a Build Guild to Grand Rapids.
Our first meetup is January 4th at Founder's brewing at 6:00.
Checkout http://buildguild.org for the rules and history,
http://grandrapids.buildguild.org to signup. Follow us on Twitter at
@bg_grandrapids.
Hope we can see you all there in January!
Buildguild
I reviewed the information on the group and it seems that the objectives align directly with mine... relationship establishment with other people interested in web development. I will plan to attend.
thanks for the heads-up.
Brian
Same here.
Same here.