There are quite a few members in the Drupal community who have Aspergers. We are the eccentric ones that write amazing code but act a bit od. Few of us come out and announce our disability since it could be rather damaging. I decide to speak out because I have nothing to loose by doing so.
I have had allot of early problems with Drupal. I came in with a very eager attitude to help. I had been apart of other older CMS systems (postnuke) and wanted to bring what I learned to Drupal. Unfortunately my communication failed Me and I quickly was seen as a Troll. It ended badly. My second attempt was to lurk around and be less aggressive. This worked allot better. As I developed relationships I was able to be more out spoken.
I left the Drupal community when I met this woman, and just recently came back when I started working on another project. I am starting to fear that I am again being a bit too eager. I do not know if these feelings are rooted or if they are simple anxiety. I will probably go back into the shadows for awhile. BTW, that Woman is now My Wife:)
I have been asked to come here and share or explain how to deal with people who have Aspergers, but honesty I don't know. Some of us have unusual boundaries, The problem with Aspergers is that we act in ways that are seen as inapropriate by just about everyone else but us. We wonder why people get upset by when we unkowingly make hostile or insulting remarks. I find that even when people point out that what I said was hurtful I often times don't receive the message or understand in anyway how those remarks could be hurtful.
PERSONALLY I do not get subtly, and prefer a much more honest, upfront transparent approach. Just tell me how it is. I wonder how my Drupal friends deal with me, maybe they have more insight then I do on what I do wrong and how they deal with it.
I am in a very successful marriage, and I am sure my wife has quite a bit of knowledge on the subject. She would probably say patience is key. I do love to tell people that My Wife is the Most AMAZING woman on the planet, that she is everything to me, she is confident, loving and the best thing that ever happened to me:) I do not feel comfortable sharing much more.
There is no cure, drug or treatment that will fix us. Some feel that DBT can help us, and I do practice allot of it, but honestly its benefits are minimum at best. I find more benefit from My Personal Spiritual Program.
It was VERY difficult coming to terms with this illness. It took awhile to accept it, and more importantly accept the limitations. I never expected to ever find a Wife. I now find blessings of things that I never expected to ever have.
A few years ago I attempted to create a group for us Drupallers with Disabilities that could be private and where we could find assistance in communication and other problems that we face while working with all of you "Normal" people. The idea was that we could a place to help people with reviewing drafts of posts, and helping to create mutually beneficial relationships that could help us in succeed in the open source community. Maybe prevent the another situation that I found myself in. Unfortunately at that time it was denied.
It is amazing at how many times people have said things about ADD, LD and Aspergers in front of me, and how many people think this is all just an excuse for our actions. Little do they know who they are talking to, and more over, how wrong they are. I do not expect special treatment, and I do not expect to be excused for poor actions. All I try to do is my best, and do it every day of my life. If I go to bed at night and know I have tried to help out another person I have succeeded. If I wrong someone I apologize for it and try to make it right. I make no excuses.
Anyways, that is MY story, I know others are totally different from me. I am definitely not a Typical Aspergers. Honestly I do not even know what that is. I can only tell you My Story.
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Thank you
This definately helps me appreciate your input more. I could somehow tell you weren't trolling because of the passion underneath it all. Your story helps me get a handle on what I would otherwise ignore because it seems overly blunt or dramatic to me. Thanks for sharing.
Shower Curtains
I no longer have shower curtains. We have those sliding doors. I miss the showering curtains. Well the curtains where nice, they kept the water from getting on My floor, but I always appreciated the rings the most. You know the ones that attach the curtain to the shower rod. Mine use to be plastic.
Some Man probably spent all day, every day, in front of some plastic molding machine, pumping hundreds if not thousands of those suckers out. He would get out of his job, jump into his truck (yes, a truck... its MY story!) and then go home to his wife and kids. They would sit down and have dinner, watch some TV and then go to bed. He would do this every day of every week, and on Weekends he would complain about his job, how bad it was, how the work sucked.
What he did not realize is that every morning, I would wake up, get into the shower, turn on the warm water, and look up at those shower rings and think of that Man, and think that if it wasn't for him I couldn't enjoy this shower. It was a great way to start the morning. But now I got stupid doors and My wife will not let me put up curtains! LOL...
I believe that providing the right information to the right person at the right time can make all the difference in the world. I believe in this profession, this job, this project we call Drupal. So If I have to write a document, or update a ticket, or do some bit of work, I know that somewhere some how it will change something for the better. If I am as lucky enough to touch as many lives as that man who makes all those shower rings, then I have done something important with My life. You just wont find Me complaining on the weekends about how much My Job sucks!
So I maybe a bit crazy, but I am not a Troll. I also have a very unique sense of humor.
--Sig--
Owner of Proper Programming, LLC a software and website development firm.
Thank you and Sorry
The message yoroy posted say almost everything I can say.
I am sorry I pointed out your problem with "their" versus "there" in the other thread. If I had known I would not have made that comment.
Paul Chernick
Paul Chernick
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This is great. :)
Thank you for posting, this is great. :) Even if it's just one story, it will help more of us know your intentions and learn to interact in a way that will work for everyone. I will admit that I was a bit frustrated trying to discuss challenges with docs and general contributions on IRC with you a couple times in the past week, and I now have a bit more perspective on why it seemed like it was hard to communicate. I feel very much like yoroy on this, and that it helps to interpret your tone.
Personally I think it's very brave to post this, and that it will have positive impacts, not negative. There are probably many others in the community who have similar challenges, and who will be helped by having more awareness around this.
I feel I ought to reciprocate (since I suggested you post here). :) My story is that I struggled a long time on how open to be about some of my own health challenges, but have been trying to push myself to be more open and not be embarrassed about it. Of course there's some risk to that, but I feel like it has had large positive results for me since I started being more open. I have fairly severe Irritable Bowel Syndrome (and associated frequent fatigue and joint pain) and some other less severe issues, which altogether make my healthiness levels fluctuate a lot. Some days I feel ok, others I feel terrible (sometimes for long stretches), and it's hard to make people realize this because usually I look "normal" or reasonably healthy. And then I also have Generalized Anxiety Disorder (which I've done a lot of counseling for and usually can keep under control), which when it is bad, makes it harder for me to focus and also interact well with people.
So despite always being told that I seem like this super together person, and holding a pretty public role in the community, I feel a lot of empathy towards not being able to control what the mind/body are doing. And also, really appreciate how hard it is at times to work effectively on things without pushing others away, when you're struggling more. For me, it's really important to feel comfortable talking about these things in the open, so that if I am late for a sprint, or disappear from the issue queue for a couple weeks, or cancel on a meeting, that people know I'm not just being flakey, but that I have real restrictions to what I can do at times. People I've told about this have been extremely supportive and have offered help many times, which has been really amazing.
And I really hope that by your opening up about this, everyone can give some extra support working with you as well. Like yoroy said, your passion for this is clear. Perhaps there may even some particular work that would lend itself well to your unique challenges and skills!
This group seems like a great place for people to bring some more visibility to what a diverse community we have, and the specific challenges we can accommodate better. We should strive to make sure everyone who wants to help can have a better chance at working together well.
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I can definitely sympathize with the "invisible illness". I have fibromyalgia, ADD, and OCD as well as just some general interacting issues that don't have a diagnosis with them. My health is all over the place. My concentration, too. There's so many things I want to do in this community and I start going a billion directions and end up dropping out of things left and right because I just get overwhelmed. I go weeks at a time too sick to really do any more than chat on IRC and then I'll be productive for a while and then not. I stopped freelancing because I can't count on being healthy enough to make deadlines. I just hope I can get it all together some day so I'm hire-able and can start actually making a bit of money from all the time I put into Drupal. It's a nice hobby but sure would be nice to get paid, too. :)
Michelle
Thank you for sharing
I think that as a fellow Drupal community member I/we can learn more about Aspergers. I think that our community works without knowing much about where everyone is coming from. Just knowing that some of our Drupal friends suffer from this syndrome can help understanding. I think that overall there are sometimes tendencies & expectations that everyone should fit into a certain mold, which is heart-breaking for those of us who care about Drupal just as much, but have something different to offer.
Wishing you the very best,
Chach
You have some excellent company
I looked up Aspergers on the internet today, I found a very interesting paragraph:
http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/tc/aspergers-syndrome-symptoms?page=2
Some traits that are typical of Asperger's syndrome, such as attention to detail and focused interests, can increase chances of university and career success. Many people with Asperger's seem to be fascinated with technology, and a common career choice is engineering. But scientific careers are by no means the only areas where people with Asperger's excel. Indeed, many respected historical figures have had symptoms of Asperger's, including Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Albert Einstein, Marie Curie, and Thomas Jefferson.
Paul Chernick
CEO
Chernick Consulting
(310) 569-2517
I fall into one of these camps...
and people have said some insensitive ish about what I have, however I gotta keep it real and say people don't necessarily judge about what's in my mind, but by what I look like.
Try this link to understand aspergers http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/aspergerssyndrome.html
I got this thing about using webmd for health info (they are commercial).
How do we begin outreaching and providing support? Because it warrants
Obsessions
I hate
Obsessions:
Yes I get obsessed with topics, but its never just one topic, and Ive often heard "doorknobs" as something we would get obsessed with. Here they use "vacuum cleaners". Im sorry, but I have an IQ in the 150 range, it doesn't take Me much to learn all I need to know (or want to know) about vacuum cleaners.
For me "obsession" is not like OCD but more like a quest for knowledge in one area. It never stops and I have multiple "obsessions". Drupal, Reptiles, WWII, Early US History, Programming, Computers, Physics, Databases, Modern Warfare, Modern Politics and Policy, Psychology, Canine Behavior. It will start with a Single obsession, like Dog Behavior, and them move onto things like Wolf Behavior. Lizards turned into Snakes. WWII turned into modern warfare and weaponry, which turned into, tactics (Conventional Tactics (example Flanking), Psychological Warfare (Use of Media and Propaganda, Terrorism, Guerrilla Warfare), which is now moving into things like "The Art of War". Then topics converge. Like an interest in Black Holes turned into Stars, Which Turned into Fusion, which turned into Fission which converged with nuclear reactions and nuclear weapons.
--Sig--
Owner of Proper Programming, LLC a software and website development firm.
Aspergers
There is a 4:1 ratio of Men to Women who have Aspergers. I am 99.9% sure Tesla had Aspergers. Einstein probably had it. From what I have learned, Jefferson was extremely good at being social, though I could be wrong. Always liked Adams more then Jefferson. Never heard anyone say that people who have Aspergers are good at Academia, though I have ADD and LD. I can see Engineering, but I would not limit other professions (such as computers, electrics). Aspergers is not a mental impairment. It is unclear if we generally have higher then normal intelligence.
DSM-IVTR
The problem with all of this, and even being "Aspergers" is that I am not a label, and I dont neatly fit in a box. Many of these criteria are VERY simplistic in nature, or just does not apply.
Aspergers also has no current treatment. Some people find success in DBT, including Others in Drupal who have Aspergers, have mentioned DBT and other Behavior Therapies how these work for them. We cant take a pill to fix it, therapy has limited to no help, To change would be akin to asking a Blind man/woman too see. What's interesting, is that because Drupal is the largest Open source community for Women, this diversity has seemed to move into accepting other Disabilities. Since a few prominent members of Drupal have active diagnosis of Aspergers, many of the members (especially core developers) are more understanding of Aspergers.
Aspergers is really tough. I hear people openly say that thoose with Aspergers are using it as an excuse. Maybe some are, but this is a rather irritating statement. Then again a few Doctors beleive we should not get friends, wives, lives... That we just cause harm to those we love. Those Doctors have some serous problems of their own.
I have a problem with using anything as an excuse. It doesn't seem right for people to have to think "Its ok, he has Aspergers". but at the same time I am essentially blind. I prefer people to treat Me as they SHOULD treat everyone else. I believe the best thing way to react when ANYONE does you wrong, is too tell them what they did and to tell them how it made you feel (I feel statements). Then allow those that choose to correct the issue and/or make amends. If someone is unable to treat people honestly and be open about how other people effect them, then that is their problem, not mine. Thus the idea that I use it as an excuse is not valid.
--Sig--
Owner of Proper Programming, LLC a software and website development firm.
@michelle - I can empathize
@michelle - I can empathize so much with what you're saying. I have had weeks, and months at times, where my health is incredibly unstable. I've been lucky enough to find myself at a job where I can be pretty effective even when I am not feeling well. I can't imagine dealing with the Fibro "fogbrain" which I get sometimes with bad flareups of my IBS/fatigue, and adding OCD/ADD into the mix!
@MGParisi - I think that's a really important point, that a lot of more complex conditions aren't that generalizable, even when we have some more ideas about what they're generally about.
Something I find also makes these sorts of things so challenging is that they are usually very "invisible" illnesses. In other words, it's not obvious by looking at or even talking to someone that they have a chronic illness or any kind of challenges. It can be so deceiving when people might think "why is this person acting like this". It's not like I have "IBS/ANXIETY" stamped on my forehead. Or like you have "ADD/ASPERGERS"... and these labels are usually only scratching the surface of the specific effects we feel from conditions.
I think it's great just to have some more openness for people to say that they have particular challenges. It's a door that opens to supporting each other.
Not as much to say as some
Not as much to say as some folks here, but just wanted to say thanks Michael! :) (MGParisi)
Groups and Disabilities
When you have a disability and you deal with people on a 1 on 1 basis, that disability seems to be less of a problem. However as you enter groups, the atmosphere changes, you are easily compared to "normal" people, and suddenly you are exposed. You are different.
What I have noticed is that its not what others think of you that makes life difficult, its what others do to you that does. I can handle being pointed out, picked out, or even stand here and expose Myself, because quite frankly, If I try to do what is right, If I make peace with My God, and If I meet not only My Obligations but the expectations I place upon Myself to My Family and especially My Wife then what people think of Me does not matter.
However, when these opinions create barriers for Me to help other people, to Meet My Obligations and My Expectations, then things become personal; hurtful; harmful. I shared my story because I was/am hoping that My story points this out. That people like Me are not looking for excuses or problems, but that many of us are looking for opportunities. I did not share My story to become visible, for that is really the last thing I want.
I tried to create a group like this when I joined Drupal and found Myself eager to do the job, but found little community support or understanding. I came in and appeared to be aggressive, instead of eager to help. Being vocal and visually put Me and My "eccentric" or odd behavior for all to see. I was singled out by a few, and was marked as a problem. Eventually the drama was too much and I was kicked out of IRC for something I did not do. Even when the people I was accused of harming came to My defense the ban was not lifted. I acted inappropriately, but came back on under my real name. I was quiet, found a job few where involved in at the time (documentation) and got to work. Eventually I rebuilt enough credibility where I could tell the person who kicked Me who I was. We remained distant for years, until recently when I think I finally made a friend out of that person.
Drupal still presents problems, as does any group. The problems quickly surface, especially as you become more visible. Drupal's community is in no way inaccessible to people like Me, in fact its probably more accessible then most, but If I become to visible, I need to go back under the radar. For Me that time is overdue for if I continue to engage in discussions to work with too many people in a group setting then history will repeat itself. I will be singled out again, I will be seen as trouble and I maybe removed from the community again.
I am eager to find solutions for this, as Drupal seems to be a place that I can do what I love. I am hoping to allow this group to become the place same thing I purposed years ago. A place to find solutions, to find ways to enable people. I want to allow people to be able to utilize their strengths while limiting the impacts of their "weaknesses".
I am now very fearful, for I am not under an alias. If I type something that is seen as "inappropriate" then it is sealed forever next to My name. I rarely use My Real name for projects. I usually utilize an alias and keep that very distant from My Personal life. I find it to be safer, more comfortable.
--Sig--
Owner of Proper Programming, LLC a software and website development firm.
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks!
Thank you for "coming out", I am in a similar boat as you and understand your situation!