Drupal Japan Groupミーティング
日にち 6月27日（土）13:00-21:00 : Date 6/27 (Sat) 13:00-21:00
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場所(location) : クリオレジダンス マンション共有スペース"ユニバーサルスタジオ"江東区塩浜2-7-5
Clio Residence Tokyo Apts shared (Universal Studio) space at Kiba (Koto-ku,Shiohama2-7-5).
地図リンク(map１) : http://www.opendream.co.jp/osonoi_home/
木場駅（10分） ： Kiba station (10min)
有楽町線豊洲（15分） ： Toyosu station yurakucho-line (15min)
ＪＲ京葉線 塩見（15分） ： Shiomi station keiyo-line (15min)
参加費 100円ー200円（人数によって): Fee 100-200 yen, depend on number of attendees.
This is for space. In addition to this we may order Pizza and drink after 18:00 and share the cost (1000-1500yen)
There will also be a preliminary Lunch get together to who ever wants to attend early : ミーティング前にランチ参加したい人はどうぞ！
ランチ集合(time) 11:50-12:00 @ http://www.gatharia.jp/plaza/access/train.htm
Schedule
Part I Presentation
-Presentation 1, Drupal and site design by Antoine
-Presentation 2, ドルーパルのフォーム、なんでも変えますよ！ by setvik
Part II Open/Group Discussion (案, proposal)
-Open Source world 2009(Trihata_san's Presentation）
-OSC Kansai, Nagoya
-Group code of ethic
Comments
Concerning my presentation,
Concerning my presentation, I've been thinking about it on an off.
To help me focus on the important things (what people want to hear about), please let me know again what would be some issues you would like me to discuss/present/explain/demonstrate. Theming can expand in so many directions and I'd like to make the best use of the presentation time.
For now I'll just monitor what people think. I'll try post again, maybe after a few days, a more concise list of the point I will cover.
Presentationに関して皆さんが聞きたいトピクスをこので纏めたいと思います。もっと細かい説明は上の英語に参考お願いします。m(.|.)m
そうですね、何をメインに聞きたいかここで書いていきましょう。
私たちの時間を有効に使うためにもアントワンさんに何を話してもらうのがいいか皆さんで意見を出していきましょう。
私も週末もう一度勉強して考えます。
Title
Hi,
I'm not really sure about the presentation and title, but I hope to have something made up before hand, that people can download and see before we go over it, so they can go over it with me.
Also, if you have any request on what to do, let me know. CCK and Views is a really open topic.
Regards,
Shaun
あと２週間
皆さんへ
あと２週間ですがまだまだプレゼンテーションに関してのリクエストは無いようですね。英語で書いただから？
もう一同聞きます：
テンプレを作るのはすごく広いトピクスなので皆さんが教えてほしい事をちょっと考えて書いてください。そのなかからプレセンテーションをフォーカスします（１５分はけっこ速いです）。準備が必要なので早めに教えてください。
特にリクエストが無い方それだけでも書いてください。
よろしくお願いします。
Antoine
基本的なことですが
ページのテンプレートファイル(page.tpl.php)とブロック用 テンプレートファイル(block.tpl.php, node.tpl.php, comment.tpl.php)の関係がいまいち分からなくて。
そういうのでもいいでしょうか？
こちらも基本的かもしれませんが
ごめんなさい、忙しくて死んでました。
是非教えていただきたいのは、
headerとleftに画像がまたがるようなレイアウトです。
画像が上に重なるパターンと
逆に背景として見せる（配置した画像の上にタイトル文字などを乗せる）パターンの
両方の方法が知りたいです。
どうぞよろしくお願いします。m(__)m
アントワンさん、どうでしょう？
皆さんのご要望はこのような感じでしたが。
私も含め勉強する気たっぷりなので、ぜひよろしくお願いします。
でも あんまり無理しないでくださいね。
僕は CSS
僕は CSS ディベロッパーじゃないんですが、
まず、画像が領域をまたがって表示するには、CSS の overflow を使うんじゃないでしょうか。
そして、オブジェクト同士の重なり具合の指定は、CSS の z-index を使うんだと思います。
間違って混乱させてしまっていたら、申し訳ない。
Aki Iwata
FOREST & trees
aiwata55さん云いました
aiwata55さん云いましたとうりz-indexを使ってdivを重ねることは出来ると思います。（overflowには使う必要ないかも知れませんが…）
それかdivの背景画像でbackground-positionで表示をします。
外のやり方いくつかありますが基本的にはdrupalに関してではなくhtmlやcssで解決すると思います。そのhtmlからdrupalのテンプレートにすることを説明して見ると思います。
そうなんです。 backgro
そうなんです。
background-positionで背景に置く、z-indexで上にかぶせる、
そのやり方は理解しているのですが、それをDrupalで表現しようとした時、
どのファイルの、どこを、どのように、いじればいいのかが分からないのです。
そういう意味ではrom3v33さんからのご質問
「顧客からもらったデザイン（例えばフォートショップ画像）をどのようにテーマにするか」にも通ずるところがあります。
是非ともよろしくお願いします。
システムも用意しておきます。
ノートパソコンにDrupalを入れて自由に試せるように準備しておきます。
（UBUNTU + apache + PHP + MySQL + Ubuntu )
例えば後半の時間に実際にやってみたいというときにお使いください。
というか何か基本的なテーマでいろいろ試してみたい。
I'd like to hear how you
I'd like to hear how you create/modify a theme given a design (e.g. photoshop image) from a client.
顧客からもらったデザイン（例えばフォートショップ画像）をどのようにテーマにするか知りたいです。
mustardseedmedia.com
http://mustardseedmedia.com/podcast ( referenced by Mojipittan - Jonny Li ).
You might find exactly what you are looking for here.
ここのテーマ関連の情報最高！
Best regards,
Scott
I'll try to cover this as
I'll try to cover this as much as I can, but I will not spend much time covering how to convert from a photoshop image to html since there are lots of resources on the web that covers that topic. I'll be able to answer those kind of questions if there are any after the presentation I guess. Since there is limited time allowed, I'll try to focus on drupal and start from an already made html page/partially completed template (depending on the things I try to cover)
about template...
テンプレートといえば、携帯対応とかする場合のテンプレート切り替えはどういうふうにしてますか？
How do you switch templates for your mobile pages?
J.kuwamura
J.kuwamura
試したことはありませんが、
試したことはないのですが、今日、こんなモジュールを発見したのでお知らせします。
Mobile Tools
説明によると、ブラウザを自動判別して、携帯からのアクセスの場合には携帯向けサイトに自動的に飛ばしてくれそうです。ただ、日本の携帯電話からのアクセスに対応しているかどうかは分かりませんが。
ぜひ、人柱のご報告をお待ちしています ;-)
I have not tried this out, but I would like to share what I found today. The module is "Mobile Tools" module (for link, please look at the Japanese part above). According to its explanation, the module determine the browser client a visor is using, and if he/she is accessing from a mobile device, the module automatically redirects the user to the mobile site. However, I don't know if this module can handle access from Japanese mobile phones.
Aki Iwata
FOREST & trees
WURLF
The suggested module use the following support module:
http://drupal.org/project/wurfl
From what I've read about Mobile tools, it implements/checks only a partial set of what the wurlf api can provide when it comes to providing cellphone detection mechanisms. After I've quickly glimpsed at the wurlf supported detection, it seems to be able to detect if a phone can handle emoji which would signify it can, at least partially, give information about Japanese cellphones. To what extent, I also need to do some tests to be able to answer that.
Simply put, I feel that the WURLF module only would be better suited for this than the mobile tools module (except if we provide some patches to the mobile tools maintainer to get support for the Japanese market phones)
セミナーのレビューをお願いします
7/2 OSWのセミナーで行おうと思っている内容を発表するので、みなさんからのフィードバック（こうした方がいいよ、とかこれも話した方がいいんじゃない？とか）を頂ければ嬉しいなと思っています。お時間いただいてしまいますが、より良いプレゼンテーションができるように皆さんのお力をお借りできれば幸いです。
Can I hear your comments about the presentation that I'll make in Open Source World ?
プレゼン頑張ってください。
土曜日のMeetupでお時間を使っていただいてもいいと思いますが皆さんいかがでしょう。
プレゼン追加案
Setvik(Steinさん）からのプレゼンの提案がありました。
アジェンダには入れてしまいましたが。
今回は場所がわからなくて迷う方も少ないと思うのでもう一つぐらいは
大丈夫かなと思ってます。
Any Requests for Views/CCK?
Are there any requests for Views or CCK for this weekend? Things that anyone would like to know how to do?
Please let me know,
Shaun
I just don't see the point
I just don't see the point of three advanced drupalars give lectures to a group of 11 attendees, in which there are only three or four beginners.
Why don't you guys discuss something else especially if Setvik is coming from kansai?
Please explain yourself.
Sorry, but I don't understand what you mean?
You want us not to give our presentations?
You want Setvik to have more time to present?
I do not mind leaving some room for other subjects, but could you please say what you would like that "something else" to be.
Well, this group has an
Well, this group has an issue now.
http://groups.drupal.org/node/23451
and setvik says
http://groups.drupal.org/node/23451#comment-81609
Just my suggestion
If you would like to propose
If you would like to propose to exchange one of the presentation for a talk about forum rules, I'm all for it. (You could just have said so in the first place, really ;) )
Mine is up for grab since I believe this is also an important topic. (and if you read the thread you've pointed at down to the bottom, you'll see I've already expressed my concerns.)
I thought you wanted a more varied choice/level of sessions... sorry for misinterpreting your post.
I apologize in advance if I
I apologize in advance if I sounded like your presentation was not important.
I never meant it.
The fact is we don't have enough people of advanced level in this group yet, and if you and Shaun and setvik give a lecture this month, then who does next month?
No offense taken. I'll try
No offense taken.
I'll try to be ready none the less and we can just bump my presentation to next month's meeting if this is what people want. I'm also adjusting my presentation so that everyone can follow/gain something from it (to the best of my capacity).
Is this really the case?
Does everyone in this meeting have a good grasp on CCK and Views...if so, then please bump me if its about group rules.
I was just asked to do it, so whatever the group wants.
I actually look forward to the presentation material.
Maybe we could bump the OSC Nagoya to next week.
And as a suggestion, maybe Shaun could introduce us to Ubercart next month, which I've been waiting for. And no, I do not have a good grasp on CCK, Views so I have no problem with CCK and Views presentation, very helpful indeed, but I think this month should be about Themes there are people looking forward to that, and we should make room for Stein since he's actually gonna make it to the meeting this month.
We also have Torihata-san going through his material for OSW, which I think would be nice if we could spend some time and give him good feedback, so this month's meeting is gonna be really packed with presentation materials.
Conclusion, I think maybe next months meeting could be driven by Shaun's presentations (my ideal would be for about Ubercart and CCK, Views), if that's OK with him. And this month could revolve around Antoine and Stein, I think they might be covering topics in similar areas which might become interesting.
Personally I would like to slide through the l10n.drupaljp.org concept and discuss it in brief, we have all the pieces in place but just don't have a consensus from the Group. This I view as more important than the group rules, and is a very good step for the group. It's about starting a group site, which fyi, is something every Drupal group considers immediately (they also look for sponsors for pizza asap too), contrary to what has been said here.
If we don't shift one presenter, and Nagoya OSC to next month, it will roughly take 4 hours just for the presentations. But I guess we could technically fit everything in if we want to be going at it until around 7pm which will be exhausting. We probably want to be done by around 4:30pm (3.5 hrs: 2hrs pres. 1.5hr disc.), and then just break off into smaller groups and chat around.
Anyways just wanted to avoid an exhausting day. But any way is fine with me, but lets not obsess about the group rules (common sense should rule) too much, I have my reasons for saying this and do have my doubts about if this group is capable of that at the forums unfortunately, there shouldn't be conflicts outside Drupal technical topics to begin with but I think some of us are playing politics or games due to the name of the group or maybe twisted ego's which is nonsense. When we grow in numbers all that will/should be in the past.
I have no problem with this.
I have no problem with this. If this is what people want, maybe I could do a question and answer on cck and views for 20 mins or so if people like, whatever the people want.
Anyways, I hope more people speak up on this.
Regards,
Shaun
So this month is "Design"
では今回はアントワンさんとSteinさんで、デザイン系にフォーカスって感じでしょうか。
So it is kind of focus on Design? right?
デザイン初心者の私は今日CSS入門の本を買ってきました。
明後日まで勉強します。
でもViewsもCCKも興味あります。
来月まで、これも勉強しよう。
http://www.amazon.co.jp/Drupals-Building-Blocks-Quickly-Websites/dp/0321...
あたりで勉強すればいいのかな？
でもちょっと高いですね。５０００円
↑その本
私も興味あります。5000円なんて勉強のためなら安い安い。（ちょっと嘘）
と言いますか、それ以前に英語というところで私は諦めるしかないのですが。
日本語で書かれたViews、CCK本は無いものでしょうか。
ちなみに、明日は1時から参加致します。
This is setvik's group, and
This is setvik's group, and he is concerned about how the trouble between you and qchan would affect to the future of this group, and I suggested to discuss about it. I really don't think you are in a position of telling us not to do it.
You say common sense, but did you really follow your common sense when you wrote the email to qchan?
You started new groups. Why do you try to control this group even after you have your own groups?
I stood on your side when others blamed on you, but now I don't know if I should have.
??
?? I could have just called him at the office, but that would not be accordingly to my common sense.
And the groups :
and the groups are not intended to further control this group. If I am attempting to control anything here.
I don't know if anyone realizes this but I don't like to control people because I don't like to be controlled. Most of us free spirits are like that.
I think I should further re-phrase since I think I misunderstood what Kays was saying. The groups I started are meant to compliment this group, it's not exactly a break-off attempt?(please stop accusing me of this) or some sort of lone ranger type activity. In those areas I have no plans, well to be more precise I will work with what is out there around clear publicized agendas that are meant to fill in part of what I feel is missing in Japan with regards to Drupal.
I guess someone already made the choice?
I see now that I have been removed from the list, so I guess someone already made the choice? Man, glad I didn't spend time making anything yet...
Sorry,
I thought decision was already made and I removed about 30 minutes ago.
But I hope you are ok with this.
Osonoi
Let me see ...
I'm looking forward to watching your presentation about CCK and Views so much.
Please make it on the schedule again.
Or aren't we going to have enough time making the topic about group rules on the schedule?
Both are important, I think.
I think Rules is better
I think Rules is better, but if anyone has questions before or after, let me know.
I think a question at the start as to how you do things, and then while others are talking, I could setup answers to the questions and show how I did it. How about that?
One thing I'd like to check is
One thing I'd like to check is if any other Drupal group has group rules. Then we might be able to base the rules around that or maybe not. Due to structure of admin features (no group moderators, can't lock thread etc..) I don't think there are any groups that have posted rules. So maybe what we're getting at isn't something we might call rules, but something less formal (group forum code of ethics, or etiquette, something like that.. ).
If we happen to be the first and only Drupal group to come up with group rules section, I can already imagine what I might say about that. So if someone wants a group rule section I suggest they find a prominent group that already has them.
Then again I'm not against this idea at all, but do have my doubts if it is necessary.
Maybe Rules is the wrong word.
Maybe a Group Code of Ethics. Whatever you want to call it, the poll is now up to 7 people picking yes, and 0 no's. So I would say it is a topic that is on peoples minds.
Regards,
Shaun
So, let's have "Group Code of Ethics" discussion.
It seems it is many peoples interest.
日本語ではなんという表現がいいかな？でもルールでもいいかな？
I found some rule of community example.. コミュニティのルールとしてはこんなものがありましたが。
http://www.geocities.jp/ayakosuke/page014.html
http://community.freshvoice.net/help/manners.html
Code of Ethics
倫理規定、ですかねぇ。
倫理っていうとなんとなく教条的なニオイを感じなくもないので、どっちかというと「行動規範（Code of Conduct）」の方が、今回の場合は合ってるかもしれません。
conduct には「（特に道徳上の）ふるまい, 行為」って説明があったので、まさにピッタリかな(^^;;
ここのところ英文を書くことが結構多いので、MacOS X Leopard 付属の素晴らしい辞書アプリを立ち上げっぱなしで、大変有用に使えてます。でも、クセで手元の辞書に手が伸びるんですけどね。
まあ、ミーティングに来る人もグループのごくごく一部だから、いずれにしろ個人個人が各人の良心に従って“守ることを期待される”という程度の効力しかないわけですけど(^^;;
Shin
//The kitten has sometimes broke in our garden and is protected by me this morning. So cute !
//Today they started selling iPhone 3GS from SoftBank Mobile and Apple. I really want one! :-)
I agree that the word
I agree that the word "rules" is probably not proper in this case. (but it is a quite straightforward idea to understand since most of the exchanges on this topic have been only in English.)
But I agree with Scott on this, we need something more along an etiquette and something along a philosophy guideline.
Rules tends to state what you can't do (negative phrasing) and what I believe we need is more what everybody agrees we SHOULD do (sorry for the all caps...)
So some thing along these ideas could be discussed, even so lightly before we start the presentations.
eg:
Japan drupal group is here to promote the exchange of information about Drupal in Japan.
Japan Drupal group is here to bring Drupal English content in to the Japanese Drupal users...
Maybe everyone could think of about one or two of these guidelines/ideas and all the ideas that happen to be common would serve as our base philosophy.
if we do this from scratch..
I tried to find a Drupal group with code of ethics or rules last night, just briefly didn't find any, maybe some are posted at group web sites.
One thing that concerns me now is if people who agree, have considered how complicated coming up with something like this could get. Taking the whole Saturday, won't probably be enough time. To avoid this we could model the code of ethics from somewhere if any of us know any, and we can start discussing here, but I don't picture swarms of Japanese comments arriving at this thread any time soon. We should be ready to discuss this in spans of numerous meetings if we're up to it.
And no (chuckles..), I don't think requiring the group to speak and write in Japanese is a good idea. I would almost want to start a group for Gaijin and those who want to do Drupal in Japan in English if that becomes official. I would call it Gaijin Cafe.
p.s. If the conflicts are of concern, I think the main reason is in the fact that it is rigged in our group that it needs to be public, besides that I don't think most of us would be concerned. If one is to really care about this, I don't think telling people to not have conflicts is going to help (only nasty build ups and drop outs are due), instead the steps that other groups are doing should be taken what ever they are (I believe them to be that they take it outside and resolve it outside, or in closed discussions like anywhere, like anywhere.., except the Japanese parliament)(Japanese parliament debates are crap and meaningless).
And can I just remind you all that, suggesting those kinds of external procedures are part of the reason I'm involved in a conflict to begin with, because it kind of seemed to me I got nasty responses here and there when I feel I was just promoting common practice. None of us are dogs, we can't tell each other to shutup but we can ask others to take conflicts outside the room and keep it to themselves.
I made a poll
I made a poll about if we want Rules as a topic.
http://groups.drupal.org/node/23633
Lets put this to a vote.
Regards,
Shaun
Can't attend. : (
Hi everyone. I'm sorry to say that due to some family commitments, I can't attend the meeting this month. また次回、よろしくお願いします。
A site by, of, and for the Drupal beginner: http://www.drupalace.com
はじめまして
Drupalの情報をネットで追いかけ、こちらのGroupを知りました。
ここの情報でも勉強させてもらってます！
前日ですみませんが、参加させてもらってよろしいでしょうか。
よかったら、13時から参加させてもらえればと思います。
Drupalについてはまだまだ何も知らない素人ですが、よろしくお願いします。
一緒に勉強しましょう。
１３時にお待ちしてます。> moonさん
というこで明日は勉強（プレゼン）から始めましょう。
Replyありがとうございます。
急な参加で申し訳ありませんが、よろしくお願いします。
皆さんと逢えるのを楽しみにしています！
So how did the meeting go?
So how did the meeting go?
The Boise Drupal Guy!
ewdsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
We did had a very nice meeting every attendees got something to learn, which ended in a friendly, and I want to say, very constructive atmosphere.
The details will be reported (by someone :-p).
Oh, I took some pictures (and movies with my new iPhone 3GS / Now I said again, Antoine :-p ) of the meeting.
Want to see it?
Shin
//I now noticed I DIDN'T make sign up for attend :-)
Sure, if everyone in them is
Sure, if everyone in them is okay with being shown.
What was the verdict on the proposed drupaljp.org site?
The Boise Drupal Guy!
Of course
The faces and kinds of information attendees can be specified will be revealed, I must say.
Sorry,
I'm late posting photos of the meeting.
Faces have been concealed.
＃OHHHH, now I know I've made a important mistake in the comments above, I wrote "revealed" instead of "concealed" :-p Totally opposite !
These are two photos attendees were making a toast, eating pizzas and talking with very friendly atomosphere :-) Yeah, very harmoniously.
And after that, the constructive discussion was held.
I would like to post another photos of OSW at the thread http://groups.drupal.org/node/22824
but, unfortunately I have no time now. Later, I suppose.
Shin
//taking these photos with my new iPhone, and gees I made blurr :-p
Yes, I am OK to be shown.
But I don't think we have discussed proposal.
What is a proposal?
localization server
unless Antoine brought it up later, I left around 6pm, unfortunately the localization server wasn't discussed. I suggest a poll, unless there are many that oppose which I know none, it should be straight forward.
Antoine, Stein,
Antoine, Stein, thanks for the presentations.
Best regards,
Scott
Yes this must be very important.
Thanks to Stein , Antoine and Torihata_san.
thanks
though i was late, it was a good meet up as always. I think the place is perfect, not to mention pizza and beer. too. looking forward to the next meeting.
I am happy to hear that you are comfortable with the meeting.
なかなかmeetingのまとめが書けない。すいません。
でも次回は今回プレゼンをしてくれたアントワンさん、ステンさん、鳥羽田さんに感謝し、私が今回勉強したことをまとめて、自分なりに（Drupal初心者として）プレゼンをしてみようと思っていたりします。
7月のミーティング？
ディスカッションを見ていないだけかもしれませんが、7月ミーティングの日程は決まっていますが？
A site by, of, and for the Drupal beginner: http://www.drupalace.com
すいません、8月1日です。
早めに新しいスレッドで書いておきます。