Drupalcon 2010, where would you prefer to have it? (log in to vote)

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kvantomme's picture
Berlin
46% (173 votes)
Copenhagen
54% (200 votes)
Total votes: 373

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How many days will this poll

stBorchert's picture

How many days will this poll be open?

It will close on the 13th at the latest

robertDouglass's picture

It will close on the 13th at the latest.

Other Question:

FiChi's picture

Is this poll important to the result?

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http://drupal-initiative.de

Yes.

robertDouglass's picture

Here are the approximate mathematics that will be used:

Poll results:
City A: 3 points
City B: 2 points
City C: 1 point

This will give the poll approximately equal weight to each of the other items on the scorecards.

Problem with matmatics.

googletorp's picture

There is a somewhat big problem with this voting system. One thing that I'm sure that we can all agree upon, is that this vote will most likely end in a tie. In most of the voting time, Copenhagen has been up a 1-2%, now it's almost dead even. I don't think we will see this change. One of the cities will probably end up with the most votes, but the difference will be small. Giving one city an extra point be it Copenhagen or Berlin, just doesn't seem fail because they got a few votes more. I don't think the same problem applies in the other poll, but you should consider looking at the margins before assigning points.

so the votes for copenhagen

mortendk's picture

so the votes for copenhagen will the be multiplied by the fact that the danish population is 5.5 million and the german is 81 so every 1 danish vote would count for 16 ? ;)

no seriously i have been objecting against this voting thing because it dosnt really tells us anything, and will any day favoritize larger countrys, so we could end up with having drupalcons in the big 3: Germany, England & France.

If this is an indicator or safenet that the association dosnt make a huge mistake by picking a city that noone wants to go to then the question should be:
"Would you not go to drupalcon if it was in"
.. and i wonder what kinds of controversies thats gonna bring.

/morten.dk king of rock
morten.dk | geek Royale

Then you just have to be nice

robertDouglass's picture

Then you just have to be nice to the 300 million Americans and convince them that Copenhagen is a nice city. That will level things out =)

The poll is the best way that we have to even come close to measuring "Community preference". It has a small weight, in the end, but at least there is a way for people to express their preference.

okay then

mortendk's picture

the americans better strap on their helmets then.

spam mail is on

/morten.dk king of rock
morten.dk | geek Royale

Viking helmet? :-)

farrington's picture

Viking helmet? :-)

/marcus

yeah well the danes then have

mortendk's picture

yeah well the danes then have to step up our game even more to get a fair treatment :(
The problem here is that small countries are gonna be down 2 point on the score cards, no matter how good their offer is.

But fair enough if its a fight they wants, even if its an unfair fight.

/morten.dk king of rock
morten.dk | geek Royale

Hey, it's not like only Danes

kkaefer's picture

Hey, it's not like only Danes can vote for the danish proposal and only Germans can vote for the german proposal. Also, I'd say that people are more inclined to pick foreign destinations rather than a city in their country they already might have been to.

We are totally agreing that

mortendk's picture

We are totally agreing that its not like people cant vote on other than their own region.

what im pointing out is that a voting for citys dosnt make any sence, for being on the scorecard.

The reason we had the voting in is that we didnt want to end up with having a drupalcon where people didnt wanna go.

Now the communities have to use manpower to get people into voting - i wonder how many have read the proposels? -the lack of question for the 3 proposals inst impressive ;) before voting? - what we really are asking is
"which city sounds sexy" and not which proposal will create the best drupalcon.

Wonder how many would have voted for the unsexy sounding szeged in hungary ?

This is simply not a thing that should be on the score card for 2012

/morten.dk king of rock
morten.dk | geek Royale

Hey Morten, no need to be

s.Daniel's picture

Hey Morten, no need to be afraid! ;)
Although Berlin is clearly the place to be, I've been to Copenhagen twice had an awsome time there and wouldn't mind going there again. :) Copenhagen is, as you've made very clear in the proposal a nice city and as we've got about 700 million Europeans I really think it is all right to ask the whole community where they'd like to go. After all it is only one point in the final decision.

It's not just the Danes who

joachim's picture

It's not just the Danes who want drupalcon Copenhagen :D

Is it counterproductive that

aschiwi's picture

Is it counterproductive that you have to be logged in to vote? Can we open that up? Especially considering the login problems that g.d.o is having lately.

Irritating, I agree.

robertDouglass's picture

We're fairly limited to what g.d.o. can do at the moment, though. There's no simple way to change the permissions just for this poll.

yes, but…

forestmars's picture

Irritating I agree, but we really can't open the poll up to anonymous users can we, that would be just asking for someone to game it.

Perhaps we could work on fixing the problems on g.d.o.? Crazy idea I know…

Oh I see. I'm not familiar

aschiwi's picture

Oh I see. I'm not familiar with the poll module, can some text be added that you need to be logged in to vote and how long voting is open? People might not look in the comments. I have been on drupal.org for a pretty long time now and I almost gave up trying to vote because I didn't see how.

add link to other poll

heather's picture

I followed a link that took me to the other poll, without knowing about this one.

This post should indicate there is another poll for 2011- and that Copenhagen is listed in both.

Can you add a link to the 2011 poll to make this more clear?

2011 poll

Splitting the vote?

heather's picture

Perhaps Kristof can update his post above with the link? In case people don't scroll.

I wonder if having Copenhagen in both lists doesn't split their vote? It seems to be they have to compete against more cities than the others.

For example, in both cases, imagine someone really wants Copenhagen at some point. So they can vote Berlin for 2010 and Copenhagen in 2011. While another can vote Copenhagen in 2010 and London in 2011. - Both feeling like they got to vote for Copenhagen.

I wonder if we should have waited to put up the 2011 vote until the 2010 vote was clear, so people would assess based on a comparison of the cities.

I feel this puts Copenhagen at a disadvantage in this case.

I'm not involved in any conference planning, I'm just a conflicted voter who would REALLY like to see the Copenhagen proposal go further. (yes I put my vote in CPH for both years, but this seemed dumb to me).

The same is true for Berlin,

kkaefer's picture

The same is true for Berlin, by the way.

yup this is yet another

mortendk's picture

yup this is yet another argument for why this voting dosnt work.

and to get the community to vote they have to be a member of this group right?

/morten.dk king of rock
morten.dk | geek Royale

2011 should be longer open

narres's picture

After 2010 is decided, the "winning" city should be canceled from 2011 selection. IMHO

That's essentially how it

robertDouglass's picture

That's essentially how it will work.

But Copenhagen is going for both...

verk's picture

I mean both :) because we can...

And we have viking ships, http://drupalcon.dk/planning/node/78

Bummer....

zorp's picture

Sorry, above was from me... Forgot what account I was on :)

May the best (Copenhagen) city win!

yup its all good

mortendk's picture

but were not seeing any plans for actually doing anything about it ;)
One tiny ship dont make a viking!

1 hour away from copenhagen we have the old King town Roskilde: http://www.vikingeskibsmuseet.dk
We are gonna have one day out there before the drupalCon to get the inner viking on - Before we butcher code and attack all close source - were all in the right mood ;)

To read more about this great concept and how we are gonne do it read more here: http://drupalcon.dk/planning/node/78

*I will not promised that we wont be listening to manowar on our way though...

/morten.dk king of rock
morten.dk | geek Royale

Vote for 2011 based on 2010 result

matkeane's picture

That makes sense if there's time to vote in the updated 2011 poll - so I could, for example, vote for Berlin in 2010 (sorry Morten!) but then vote for Copenhagen in 2011 if they didn't already get the 2010 gig. Could you add a comment to the 2011 poll with a rough closing date (like you did to this one), please?

to sum up my whining about

mortendk's picture

to sum up my whining about this voting thingie http://morten.dk/blog/problem-voting

/morten.dk king of rock
morten.dk | geek Royale

;-) check beer price - rethink your vote!

Thomas_Zahreddin's picture

Copenhagen City $8.33 USD
Berlin $3.49 USD

from http://www.pintprice.com/region.php?/Germany/USD.htm

rethink your vote!

Best Thomas

If you had used you time to

mortendk's picture

If you had used you time to actually read the copenhagen proposal you would see that we have this part covered.

We know about the concerns of beer prices in CPH (a normal pint cost about 25 - 40 dkk). Thats just one of the reasons that were gonna have the fooBAR - the first drupal only bar in the world - Cause we take out beer & social activities more than seriously ;)

/morten.dk king of rock
morten.dk | geek Royale

I hope you have some stuff

didlix's picture

I hope you have some stuff planned that is not just boozing, I really thought paris was broken too much into conference - get pissed.

I would like to see some more productive evening events and less boozy socials.

Stuff coming up :-)

woeldiche's picture

Some of the reasoning behind setting up a specialized fooBAR is to have place where coding and socialising (and wi-fi) mixes better than at the local rave party, and to secure room for participants who want to gather around a little after hours geek power.

I addition, suggestions for social / after conference activities other than boozing are already being worked on and includes stuff like DrupalCons very own tv-shows.

// Jesper Wøldiche

Join #drupalcon for our Q&A session

zorp's picture

You can also join #drupalcon channel on IRC this Wednesday at 20:00 CET where the danish community will be hosting a Q&A session about our DrupalCon proposal.

Also...

zorp's picture

That beer price tag of 8.33 USD must be the price if you stroll into the nearest mainstream tourist trap in Tivoli... it is no problem to find a much cheaper beer in Copenhagen... And don't worry the Danish Drupal community will make sure that you don't end up in tourist traps unless you really really want to.

We have it all covered, read our proposal and our transparent planning process on http://www.drupalcon.dk

Important question before I

Alexander Langer's picture

Important question before I make up my mind:

How much is beer in Denmark?

I remember it being hard getting drunk in Stockholm without having to sell my pants. (Yeah I know Stockholm is not in Denmark..)

The beer tap

zorp's picture

In Denmark beer will flow from the taps... I think we are the only country in the world with a second tap in every kitchen, bathroom, shower.... that being the one with beer.

So don't worry just go to the bathroom in your hotel room and you can choose between beer or water just by turning a knob.

That is also the reason people from Sweden travel to Denmark in massive amounts every weekend... You can find them lying beneath a beer tap in public places.

Anything important then beer?

farrington's picture

Anything important then beer?

Let's move the discussion on Copenhagen vs. Berlin to a more "grown up" level.

To be honest, if the price on beer in Copenhagen is twice the price in Berlin... when drink half the quantity of beer. And trust me, you can enjoy a DrupalCon without large amount of beer... the scary part, for a few of you, you would even survive without drinking beer at all. ;-)

If you worry about pricing, have a look at things you can't skip... like accommodation, food, communication, transportation.

One thing I like about Copenhagen is that it's more likely that others notice that there is something going on.

/marcus

Agree

zorp's picture

... and hence my comment about beer on taps.

Tomorrow (Wednesday) at 20:00 CET #drupalcon IRC channel will be filled with people from the danish community eager to answer questions about our proposal and our country / city.

We have a great package to offer and try to think about everything from easy (cheap) access, social events, gaining knowledge to reaching out and making local business aware of Drupal.

I think people are just using

andreashaugstrup's picture

I think people are just using beer as an example (I'm a dedicated non-drinker). Be sure that we in Copenhagen have a committed team to handle costs from going out of control overall.

Beer prices are just one example of that. One thing is that people in this thread seem to have an inflated idea of what beer cost in Copenhagen (unless you walk into the nearest tourist trap)—that is not important.

What matters is that the Copenhagen team is dedicated to handle these things on a broad scale. E.g. by setting up our own bar to handle alcohol prices and to get that great community feeling at the end of each day. But also by planning to offer catered dinners for those who wish and we have already started to contact hotels to make sure we can offer a wide range of accommodation at all price points.

We are a groupof 12-15 people who live in Copenhagen, who love Copenhagen, who know Copenhagen. We simply will not let you book a room at the shitty, expensive hotel located half an hour from the venue. That's why we have a person dedicated to answering questions accommodations, locations and how to get around in the city of Copenhagen.

I do want to touch briefly on the transportation issue because all the proposals say the same and are all technically true there is a world of difference in the actual experience. You gain a lot by having DrupalCon in a physically smaller city such as Copenhagen. It is possible to walk most places in Copenhagen (with the venues we have outlined). And when London says that it's a bike friendly city because you can ride in the bus lanes that's technically true, but it's a world of difference from Copenhagen where 30% of all traffic is bike traffic. That is a real bike friendly city.

The distances are simply shorter in Copenhagen. While the train systems in Berlin and London are excellent travel time can still suck going across the city centers (at least in Berlin where I staid centrally this summer it still took at least 30 mins to get anywhere). Copenhagen does not have these problems.

You can ask more questions here or in the IRC chat tomorrow (Wednesday) at 20:00 CET in #drupalcon. :o)

Lonely Planets travel video about Copenhagen

rasmusluckow's picture

This gives you a idea of what Copenhagen (and Denmark) is about if you haven't visited us before.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HDoRchR6Sg

Important reasons to vote for DrupalCon Copenhagen

moscovici's picture

Important reasons to vote for DrupalCon Copenhagen in 2010:
1. Denmark is quite unique in its approach for Drupal.
2. The newly released fdm.dk is probably the biggest site ever built on Drupal.
3. One of the biggest Danish media holding Berlingske Media is moving all their sites to Drupal.
4. Drupal community can benefit from unique insights and case studies presented by Danish companies
5. Danish businesses will feel rewarded to have the entire Drupal community focusing attention on them.
6. DrupalCon Copenhagen will bring Drupal into focus in the entire Scandinavia and push Drupal beyond Denmark's border.
7. Finally, you know when in Denmark, you'll probably drink the best beer in the world.

Even more reasons to vote for DrupalCon Copenhagen in 2010 - http://bit.ly/o0PFW

Hi Moscovici, to 2.) Sorry,

andreas-emer's picture

Hi Moscovici,

to 2.) Sorry, but this is not true :-) Just look at sites like http://www.mtv.co.uk/ http://debatte.welt.de/ http://asia.playstation.com/hk/en http://www.usmagazine.com/ http://www.amnesty.org/ http://www.britney.com http://www.playboy.de/ http://www.observer.com/ and so on, and so on...

to 4., 5. and 6) The German Community, Business and Media would also welcome the Con :-)

7.) I think you never have drank German respectively Munich Beer otherwise you would never ever write something ;-)

Greets from Beer Capital Munich

You got to believe me :)

moscovici's picture

Hi andreas-emer,

2) You got to believe me :) Our company, Propeople.dk, made fdm.dk and we know what we're talking about. fdm.dk is not the most visited Drupal site in the world, but the amount of data on fdm.dk is extremely huge... and this is BIG :)

4 and 5) never said they wouldn't :)

6) As far as I know Germany is not a Scandinavian country :)

7) eh, you missed the word probably :) anyway, what would be the most popular German/Munich beer?

Looking forward to see you at DrupalCon Copenhagen in 2010.
All the best!

we lost Maastrich

confetti's picture

we lost Maastrich
thumbs up for Copenhagn, they already organised several DrupalCamps.

Btw: can you change your currency to € until this event? ;-)

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There was a great camp in Cologne

JBI's picture

Something like 200+ folks.

Just a remark - neither in

confetti's picture

Just a remark - neither in favor nor against:

Berlin and Cologne are both fine cities - but they are never the same and some 600 km apart. ;-)
So one of the few things they have in common is the language and the devotion to Drupal - but that is true for others too. And as for distance: it would have been easier to support Maastrich (<150 km).

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I wish we could change

andreashaugstrup's picture

I wish we could change currency to € for DrupalCon. :o)
Fortunately the Danish kroner (DKK) is locked with the Euro so exchange rates don't fluctuate. I can personally make flash cards with the most common conversions needed, if you want. Think of it as an "How survive in Copenhagen" cheatsheet that fits your pocket. :o)

good idea and I got another

confetti's picture

good idea

and I got another good one: - since with each exchange you loose money - all the money we still have in DKK when we go home will go to the Drupal Association as a donation to support developers. ;-)

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Good idea! I've added it to

andreashaugstrup's picture

Good idea! I've added it to our brainstorming page at drupalcon.dk so we won't forget!

can we close the poll now?

confetti's picture

can we close the poll now?
COP is still in front but it is loosing points ...

Well, I am just kidding, but I hope you understand what I mean to say:

There has to be a sharp deadline otherweise ... (see above)
Well, never mind, it is not like an election. One point more and you win. If there is only a marginal difference both should get a point (as already mentioned by sb else). I think being so close - and taking into account other polls on the same subject (city election) - the whole poll gets more and more irrelevant.

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Please Berlin

Smudio's picture

Berlin is not only the city I live in but also such a
fantastic location.

Come to Berlin, you won't regret!

#epic win copenhagen!

mortendk's picture

Berlin: 47% (171 votes)
Copenhagen: 53% (190 votes)
Total votes: 361

So what now with the votes for 2011?
is there a plan for that..

and no the danes will not take bribes (in public)

/morten.dk king of rock
morten.dk | geek Royale

poll 2011

confetti's picture

Q: So what now with the votes for 2011
A: we should wait until the final decision was made ;-)

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Don't Follow Trends: Set Them!
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I voted for Copenhagen

kirchhoffhas2's picture

in 2010. I think that it's important to maintain a sense of fairness (I know it's a loaded word) to have Drupalcons Europe alternate between large and small countries. The current year was in France, which is a big country, and is part of the Paris-Berlin axis in the EU. So now it's time for a small country to have it IMHO.

Next year it would be wise to have it in a big country: either the UK or DE.

And in 2012 should be a small country again, hence Lisbon will be a contender for Drupalcon Europe 2012.

I know that there's a lot of action regarding Drupal in the US, which is a (huge) country. In Europe there are a multitude of nations each with its own sensibility. Please take that in consideration when deciding.

António

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