This meeting is to discuss the Accessibility Gate for Drupal 8. The meeting will be a conference call in Skype. If you would like to attend the meeting please add me as a contact in Skype and I will add you to the meeting group: jmburnz
There have been several differing approaches proposed for the gate and the meeting is to discuss these and look for a broad consensus.
Update: Notes from this call are on EtherPad. A follow-up call will be July 25 at or near the same time. Check back here for a Doodle link to confirm the time.
We will also schedule an IRC meeting after the Skype meeting (probably sometime during the days after the Skype meeting) where we hope to discuss the gate more broadly.
This 1-hour meeting began at 9 a.m. Pacific time, for more time zones see:
http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/meeting?lid=6173331,6094817,2643743,267373...
The full discussion regarding the gate can be found here: http://groups.drupal.org/node/158759
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I'm not a fan of Skype
I'm not a fan of Skype anymore, but I'll try to attend the IRC meeting.
@dcmouyard on Twitter
The meeting is being held in
The meeting is being held in Skype to make it easier for blind users to attend and participate in the meeting - it is very hard for screen reader users to keep up with a fast moving group chat - a voice call is far more accessible.
IRC is more accessible for
IRC is more accessible for hearing-impaired people like me.
Don't get me wrong, I think having a Skype meeting is a good idea, but the last Skype meeting was a little hard for me to follow along.
@dcmouyard on Twitter
A suggestion...
What if one of us captures the gist of what is being said in Skype and types it into IRC? In other words, we could use IRC as a live transcription of the Skype call.
Might that help you participate during the call?
Its an idea Cliff, what we
Its an idea Cliff, what we have done in the past is transcribe the major points to a Pirate Pad, not sure about the accessibility of that either - but sure IRC transcription sounds like a great idea, someone probably needs to dedicate to doing that rather than participating in the discussion though (will be hard to do both).
That would be a great help,
That would be a great help, Cliff, but as Jeff mentioned it would take someone a lot of effort to transcribe the meeting in real-time. If someone's willing, though, I'd be happy to participate.
I'll start the meeting using Skype, then switch to IRC (or even the chat feature in Skype) if I have a hard time following along.
@dcmouyard on Twitter
The Skype chat might be better
If that'll work, great! In fact, that was my first choice, but I wasn't sure if a chat and conference call would work simultaneously in Skype.
Jeff, I am figuring that we'll get only the high points in the transcription, but it might work. We've used it with success in W3C working group conferences. And I'd be happy to be the transcriptionist. What might work would be for someone else to volunteer to transcribe when it's my turn to speak.
An advantage of the simultaneous chat would be that everyone else could follow along and use it to indicate when they have something to say. By using the queue set up in chat, we could make sure people get their turn when it's due.
Re: groups.drupal.org Accessibility: Skype meeting to discuss th
It does work very well in W3C calls but it does need someone giving almost total attention to transcribing. It has a number of other advantages:
Someone speaking can also watch the transcription and see how her/his/non-gender-possessive words are being understood and can correct "interpretation" where necessary
Its possible to be in another meeting simultaneously and watching the IRC for key issues (I'm not saying that's a good way to live or a way to do good work but sometimes it can help).
IRC is cheap technology, easy to tunnel through firewalls, doesn't need expensive hardware, - there are web sites that deliver it over http. Having said that I don't see it around so much these days.
You almost get free searchable meeting minutes in the IRC record.
If you're really smart (as some in w3c are) you produce a daemon that non-intrusively watches the IRC channel for keywords and does things when it sees them (like recording who is on the meeting, noting action items etc.) That might be something for the future - it does work really really well. But then maybe skype or one of the web conference clients has an API for doing that sort of thing.
andy
Google+ & Etherpad
I've used Skype for a long while. It's been an important business tool for managing communications by our team & clients.
It is very possible though that Google+ may be replacing that function as they are now offering both chat & conferencing capability. It might be worth switching at some point, although I'm not sure how well their group chat works.
More relevant however to this conversation is Etherpad. If someone sets up an http://ietherpad.com page at the beginning of the meeting and there is a person primarily responsible for transcribing the notes then it can be very effective. Others can step in and revise content or take over when required.
There are lots of neat things you can do with IRC, but it takes a bunch of time and the conversations can often be disjointed. It certainly has it's place, but not sure that this discussion is it.
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Let's do Etherpad, then!
Thanks for the solid info, Mike. Let's do it!
the timezone link above is
the timezone link above is not correct?
http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/meeting?lid=6173331,6094817,2643743,267373...
Joetsui's blog
It is correct actually, what
It is correct actually, what you did was add Hong Kong - are you coming to the meeting?
the date above link is not
the date above link is not correct. I may join, l'm newbie anyway
Joetsui's blog
Oh yeah, thats odd. I will
Oh yeah, thats odd. I will update it.
Meeting Takeaways
Here are the three biggest takeaways I got from this meeting:
Provide developers a concise checklist
Create documentation on how to test/fix accessibility issues
(contribute successful implementations to W3C?)
Collaborate with UX team
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