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This page is for discussion about the wiki page What food do you want to eat at DrupalCon Paris?.... Please read the wiki page and then make comments on this page.

Also, please be bold and edit the wiki page directly if you feel you can add to the menu or logistics - so we can hand this to the caterers in the next few days.

Many thanks, dahacouk

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My Opinion

highermath's picture

I think that most folks want good, tasty food that isn't the same every day.

I personally do not plan on becoming a vegan on my trip to Paris. With no disrespect to anyone's dietary preferences and restrictions, I think that a lot of us would be happy with sandwiches made with good ingredients and really good bread, accompanied by some sort of salad, something crunchy, and a cookie or pastry. In DC, the idea was fine, but the execution was not so great, and it wasn't helped by the fact that they served the same stuff every day. Szeged and Barcelona also fell into the repetition trap.

I am not a fan of help-yourself dining at conferences and I would avoid soups, stews and anything that is hard to clean up. You will be feeding a lot of folks in a short time, so have everything ready so that they can get their food, find a spot and eat.

I also suggest that you stick to things that you are pretty sure will be accepted by (almost) everyone. You might get some strong opinions here and find that they are not shared by the folks who just want simple, good food and didn't speak up (but, believe me, they will if you try to make them to eat mackerel and brown rice every day).

You should definitely try to get an idea of how many vegetarians you have. When folks check in, make them commit to veg or non-veg, so the carnivores don't devour the veg food on mackerel day .

Thanks for your opinion - that's what we want...

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Hi Cary,

Thanks for your comments. Please don't be scared to edit the wiki and change what you see. Or, at least add comments directly in the wiki next to the issues you have issue with.

I think that most folks want good, tasty food that isn't the same every day.

Agreed. The whole point about this wiki is that you tell us exactly what food is going to make you happy. Because everyone has a different idea of "tasty food". The more you can say what you do want the more likely you are to get it.

I personally do not plan on becoming a vegan on my trip to Paris.

No one is suggesting that you do anything that you don't want to do. We are only going on feedback from DC attendees. Where does it say that everyone must eat vegan? So, please say exactly what you want. We need to hand over a detailed plan to the caterers - that means down to ingredients.

With no disrespect to anyone's dietary preferences and restrictions, I think that a lot of us would be happy with sandwiches made with good ingredients and really good bread, accompanied by some sort of salad, something crunchy, and a cookie or pastry.

Sorry, the "a lot of us" voted in the polls and said they preferred a buffet. We're are just going with majority feedback here. The buffet people are in the majority it seems.

So, please be more specific with the actual type of foods and also whack it in the wiki.

In DC, the idea was fine, but the execution was not so great,

Why exactly wasn't it great? I wasn't there and don't know the issues. Perhaps put them under the "Logistics" heading in the wiki. Cheers!

and it wasn't helped by the fact that they served the same stuff every day. Szeged and Barcelona also fell into the repetition trap.

It could be down to cost I'm afraid. Having variable stuff each day could whack the price up. However, please give us an idea of what you'd like to see as the daily rotation - yeah, I mean, give us a sample menu for each. That would really help grasp what you're describing.

I am not a fan of help-yourself dining at conferences and I would avoid soups, stews and anything that is hard to clean up.

Good point about the soups/stews. They could get messy. But then Szeged salad were pretty sloppy and that worked out OK. So, watery stuff is questioned as possible too much potential mess. But sloppy stuff is OK, I reckon.

You will be feeding a lot of folks in a short time, so have everything ready so that they can get their food, find a spot and eat.

That's a good "Logistics" point, yes? Perhaps rather than having a big long table - like at Szeged - we have say 4 different table sets where people can get the same food. That would help with the bottleneck of queuing.

I also suggest that you stick to things that you are pretty sure will be accepted by (almost) everyone.

That's what we're trying to find out. We're only going on feedback.

You might get some strong opinions here

I hope so. That's what we want.

and find that they are not shared by the folks who just want simple, good food and didn't speak up (but, believe me, they will if you try to make them to eat mackerel and brown rice every day).

Why are they not speaking up? Or are they speaking up? We can only go with the feedback we're getting.

Best if people just put down exactly the foods they want to have and we'll take it from there. So, please don't miss out on this opportunity to have the food the way you want to eat it!

You should definitely try to get an idea of how many vegetarians you have.

Yes, I'm not a coder so if you are please help the website people implement that.

When folks check in, make them commit to veg or non-veg, so the carnivores don't devour the veg food on mackerel day .

Good idea.

Do you want red meat? Or will fish and chicken do?

The best thing to do is highlight these issues to the attendees NOW and try and get feedback before we finalise with the caterers. Please spread the word.

Thanks for your feedback!

Cheers Daniel

dahacouk's picture

Hi Cary and Isabell,

I've reinstated the wiki page as it really needs to be a wiki page so we can collaborate on it. Please don't delete it. But we do need comments so on the wiki page I've said put comments on this page.

What I'd like you to do now is remove most of the static content from the main page body of this page and explain that this page is for comments and point to the wiki page for the material.

Thanks very much for your assistance.

Cheers Daniel

I respectfully disagree. A

highermath's picture

I respectfully disagree.

A wiki page is fine and I won't delete it again, but I think that this calls for a conversation. I think that conversation should start with Isabell's original post.

I don't disagree that buffets might be preferred. My issue is logistics. Buffets are slower and less predictable than box lunches. If you can identify the number of vegetarians up front, you can be very efficient in matching the amount of food to the number of attendees. This leads to better value (or higher caterer profits) from our budget.

We want good food, but we are also going to DrupalCon, not LunchCon -- although that does have a certain appeal. We have an advantage in Paris that we are apparently in one of the few venues in the world that is not locked into an exclusive catering contract, so we can select a caterer who wil actually cater to our needs.

I personally will eat whatever is presented. My hope is that we can raise the overall level of satisfaction with the food from its fairly low level. Leaving Boston out of the mix, food has been a bigger cost at each successive DrupalCon and satisfaction has declined. In DC, there was no choice, we had to pay over $20 per person for the sandwiches, which pretty much tasted like they had come from a long rest in a vending machine. Other options would have been through the roof.

Need specific items for the buffet...

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Hi Cary,

I respectfully disagree.

Thanks! What exactly do you "respectfully disagree" with? We've talked about a lot...

A wiki page is fine and I won't delete it again, but I think that this calls for a conversation.

Good. Thanks. And I totally agree. I thought that one could place comments on a wiki page. I guess I was wrong.

I think that conversation should start with Isabell's original post.

To be correct it is my original post to which you are referring and not Isabell's. I'm part of the DrupalCon Paris team and tasked with sorting out the food. So, please attribute the author as me and also delete most of the body content on the comments page (as requested as it's now out of date) and point to the wiki page. Many thanks.

I don't disagree that buffets might be preferred. My issue is logistics. Buffets are slower and less predictable than box lunches. If you can identify the number of vegetarians up front, you can be very efficient in matching the amount of food to the number of attendees. This leads to better value (or higher caterer profits) from our budget.

Good. My issue is logistics too. Buffets can be speeded up if we have a number of tables all serving the same food.

It's not simply knowing the "number of vegetarians" because it more complex than that. We've got people here that eat fish and chicken but not red meat for instance. Or who are intolerant to wheat (see bread) but eat red meat. Hence the need for varied dishes.

Can you help add functionality to p.dc.o to enable people to say what kind of food they like in their account profile page?

We want good food, but we are also going to DrupalCon, not LunchCon -- although that does have a certain appeal. We have an advantage in Paris that we are apparently in one of the few venues in the world that is not locked into an exclusive catering contract, so we can select a caterer who wil actually cater to our needs.

Right. So, it's my job to gather those needs from the populous and collate and build a rational plan to hand to the caterers. And that's what I'm doing. I'm noting the specific items people are saying in the wiki and encouraging everyone to edit it directly. You too!

I personally will eat whatever is presented. My hope is that we can raise the overall level of satisfaction with the food from its fairly low level. Leaving Boston out of the mix, food has been a bigger cost at each successive DrupalCon and satisfaction has declined. In DC, there was no choice, we had to pay over $20 per person for the sandwiches, which pretty much tasted like they had come from a long rest in a vending machine. Other options would have been through the roof.

I volunteered to help coordinate the food because I reckoned we could do better than Szeged and Barcelona - the 2 DCs I've been to. It's my aim to keep people in the venue and not have anyone leave to go get their own food. I want them to stay because so much of the value of DC is the personal networking and lunch is such a good time to do this. If people leave then some of that value is lost.

Please put your input in and also please get your mates to put their input in too. Like I said I'm just going on feedback. People will get what they ask for if there's enough people back it - but they got to ask. Make sense?

Cheers Daniel

Take into account allergy to

z.stolar's picture

Take into account allergy to FAVA BEANS (see why)

I've reviewed feedback from

highermath's picture

I've reviewed feedback from other tech conferences that I am involved with and, unsurprisingly, decent food that accommodates dietary restrictions and preferences is the second item on all of them. The first, BTW, is decent wireless.

Presuming that we go with a buffet format, we still need to go with a system that identifies who needs what, otherwise we will inevitably waste food (and money). I also think that we need to identify the largest single restricted diet group -- vegetarians -- and provide a separate table for them and only them.

The best way to get a handle on waste and food safety is to have staff dispense the food. I just came from an event where 3,000 people got three meals a day (full breakfast, box lunch, full dinner) for a week. They have been doing this for 15 years, and have it pretty well wired. Their policy is strict, but reasonable portion control, but you can go through the line as many times as you want. This is effective in helping to insure a fair distribution of all the items. It also keeps things moving.

Meeting other, more specialized restrictions is tougher. We should give folks multiple opportunities to declare these up-front and let them know that we might not be able to accommodate them if they don't take advantage of those.

Logistics

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Hi Cary,

Thanks for your comments...

I've reviewed feedback from other tech conferences that I am involved with and, unsurprisingly, decent food that accommodates dietary restrictions and preferences is the second item on all of them. The first, BTW, is decent wireless.

Yeah! I can empathise with that too! After all, I can always go out and get my own food but getting my own bandwidth is usually much harder and more expensive!

Presuming that we go with a buffet format, we still need to go with a system that identifies who needs what, otherwise we will inevitably waste food (and money). I also think that we need to identify the largest single restricted diet group -- vegetarians -- and provide a separate table for them and only them.

That’s an interesting point. Are you saying have one table full of meat and one table full of vegetables and salad? I’m not sure exactly how this helps the queuing bottleneck issue. I still like the idea of replicating the same food on 4 or 6 tables.

If it does help with queuing bottleneck then I guess we could split these up still further to tables of red meat, chicken, fish, salad and vegetables...?

Personally, I eat meat and salad and vegetables so that would mean that I’d have to go to 3 or four tables to get my food. Logistically, doesn’t it makes sense to replicate the same food around 4 to 6 tables rather than have a table for each food type.

The best way to get a handle on waste and food safety is to have staff dispense the food. I just came from an event where 3,000 people got three meals a day (full breakfast, box lunch, full dinner) for a week. They have been doing this for 15 years, and have it pretty well wired. Their policy is strict, but reasonable portion control, but you can go through the line as many times as you want. This is effective in helping to insure a fair distribution of all the items. It also keeps things moving.

Are having serving staff an option? I’ll ask Isabell. But I reckon it’ll put up the cost. Keep in mind she has told me we are currently targeting 600-700 ish participants.

Meeting other, more specialized restrictions is tougher. We should give folks multiple opportunities to declare these up-front and let them know that we might not be able to accommodate them if they don't take advantage of those.

Agreed. Though, we are getting some good feedback on the What food do you want to eat at DrupalCon Paris? wiki page. But, as you say, we really do need to encourage people to update it with their preferences.

Cheers Daniel

Please be bold and edit the What food do you want to eat at DrupalCon Paris?... wiki page directly if you feel you can add to the menu or logistics so we can hand this to the caterers in the next few days.

Cary, please edit the page content...

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Hi Cary,

Please edit the body of this page with the following text that I have provided to you below. I need you to do this as, at the moment, it is causing confusion because we have duplicate content - one of which (on this page) is out of date. Please wipe the initial text of this page and replace with:

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This page is for discussion about the wiki page What food do you want to eat at DrupalCon Paris?.... Please read the wiki page and then make comments on this page.

Also, please be bold and edit the wiki page directly if you feel you can add to the menu or logistics - so we can hand this to the caterers in the next few days.

Many thanks, dahacouk

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Or, pass ownership of this page to me - if that is possible - and I shall make the edit myself.

Cheers Daniel

No cutlery buffet...

dahacouk's picture

It seems the caterer wants to present us with bite sized bits of food that we can eat on the go or load on to a plate but which does not require cutlery. As we'll all be carrying our computers with us - it seems. So, I've updated the wiki with a proposed menu taking into account all of the feedback so far.

I've left out soups, stews and all foods that can't be eaten with fingers with the exception of dips that can be eaten with salad sticks (carrots, cucumber and celery).

Sandwiches are back in but I'm pushing for potatoes as an alternative carbohydrates to bread/wheat. Without cutlery rice would only be available in the form of stuff vine leaves.

I recommend having just fruit for desert and not going heavily sugared treats. Because my remit is to provide healthy food.

It's a shame we're not going down the cutlery route as that does restrict our choices in terms of meat/fish in a thick stew or sauce. Now meat/fish will just be on sticks or in sandwiches, I guess.

Thoughts?...

Cheers Daniel

Please be bold and edit the What food do you want to eat at DrupalCon Paris?... wiki page directly if you feel you can add to the menu or logistics so we can hand this to the caterers in the next few days.

Pork

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I don't see a mention of pork anywhere. I like pork.

The rest of the menu looks good though, I'm sure we'll be well fed!

Hmm...

dahacouk's picture

As I understand it the idea to only have Fish, Chicken and Beef in terms of meats. Personally, I'm easy with adding Pork but I think it is to do with religious sensitivities. I'll check it out.

What diets for DrupalCon London 2011?...

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Attention all foodies!

Currently, for DrupalCon London 2011, attendees will have a drop down list with the following options. But I'd like to extend this list and I'd like your feedback very quickly.

  • No restrictions
  • Vegetarian
  • Vegan
  • Kosher
  • Celiac / Gluten Free
  • Other - Please specify

But I want to make the total list be at least (but what have I missed?):

  • No restrictions
  • Vegetarian
  • Vegan
  • Kosher
  • Halal
  • Pescatarian (fish but no meat)
  • Celiac (gluten free)
  • Diabetic
  • Other - please specify

And I'm also wondering if it is better if it was a set of checkboxes to enable us to cater for scenarios such as a Kosher Vegan or a Diabetic Vegetarian or indeed a Kosher Diabetic.

Let me have your feedback very quickly as we have just one day to get feedback.

Have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_diets and let me know if we need any of them. Don't say "all"! ;-)

Cheers Daniel

I think that it will be

highermath's picture

I think that it will be counterproductive and confusing to offer an exhaustive list of choices. I can support adding halal -- mostly because I am pretty sure that there will be more than a couple folks who will choose that option, but I think that getting more specific gets into question-begging territory.

For example, what would a diabetic expect from a diabetic lunch? The are three generic types of diabetic, then a million subcategories based on age, type of medication, etc. Just making something sugar-free and low-carb doesn't really solve the problem.

I think that folks with specific needs are best off using the "other" category and will be uplifted by knowing that it is there, rather than feeling disenfranchised by not seeing diabetic-carmelite (eats only things covered in sugar-free caramel) or hestonian (eats only liquified proteins dropped into liquid nitrogen and deep fried in duck fat) choices. I myself, btw, will eat anything deep fried in duck fat.

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