Posted by rnorman on July 13, 2012 at 12:20pm
What is the hardest part of Drupal to learn when you decided to use Drupal as your platform?
Why?
What would you do differently to make it easier for someone just learning?
What is the hardest part of Drupal to learn when you decided to use Drupal as your platform?
Why?
What would you do differently to make it easier for someone just learning?
Comments
Thanks for asking this question Ron!
As you know, I came to Drupal 6 about 2.5 years ago, and found everything about Drupal very strange. But I managed to discover it's power slowly. As a designer NOT a programmer, Drupal 6 and now 7 offers more interesting challenges. Mainly the syntax was my first hurdle but also the way Drupal spreads things out all over the place: Blocks, Nodes, Modules etc... In order to make one simple change, you first have to locate WHERE to make the change. It is NOT an easy thing to discover this. But once learned, it opens your mind to the patterns and logic of where things are and why.
I has taken me years time to figure this out about Drupal. My ongoing "Drupal Scavenger Hunt" and now that I am starting to experience Drupal 7, I realize that there are still challenges for the "non-programmer" but as with anything, all you need is patience, and good Drupal user-friends, to make the road less bumpy.
I am currently involved in a project that is still keeping me on my toes and as I search for where I used to make edits in version 6, there new variables in version 7!
I guess it never ends, but from what little I've seen in version 7, I prefer it to what I remember about version 6.
So I am in the deep end once more of the Drupal pool, and I look forward to my more experienced Drupal friends to toss me that lifesaver once in a while! Thanks in advance for your help with what will soon become a series of Drupal 7 questions.
To recap: the single most challenging thing for me about Drupal has been WHERE to make the edits and HOW to customize modules and/ or choose the best templates/ modules for the effect or purpose that you need.
Gigi :0)
What is the hard part of Drupal to learn?
Gigi
Than you for your feedback.
I agree with you and I have been telling everyone at Drupal of Miami Workshops to learn Drupal "Out of the Box" first before you start adding any Articles or Modules, etc. because once you start adding stuff it starts flying all over the place and if you don't know what you have in the first place yo will be totally lost trying to figure Drupal out.
By the way, Thanks for answering my other question about logos. The links were very useful and help me understand more about logos. The question that I was trying get to was the approximately the size in pixels. I know that they very in size but I was trying to give a friend of mine the pixel size to work with. If you know that I would appreciate that number.
Thanks again Gigi
Ronald Norman
Drupal of Miami Workshop
I was a web developer for
I was a web developer for over 10 years using everything from Zend to WordPress to custom MVC frameworks before I started working with Drupal. The hardest part for me was learning when to use custom code versus a module, and which modules were the "standard" ones for a given type of problem.
After 2 years with Drupal, releasing my own modules, and participation in the community, my belief is that the best Drupal (not web) developers are those who know the most useful combinations of modules for different use cases, and the often obfuscated core API functions. If I were starting over, only with that realization, I'd read more "top module/function" lists/feeds, like Lullabot's Module Monday and @drupaleveryday on Twitter.
What is the hard part of Drupal to learn?
kziv
Thanks for your feed back about what is or was the hardest part of Drupal to learn.
I am beginning to agree with you about learning about the best modules and API to use before you start a website using Drupal. First know what you need and what you want to start with and then look for modules that fit those needs.
Your statement: my belief is that the best Drupal (not web) developers are those who know the most useful combinations of modules for different use cases, and the often obfuscated core API functions." is exactly what I am finding out working with Drupal. The more I know about the modules and API's the better Drupal works for me.
Thank you again
Ronald Norman
Drupal of Miami Workshop
Comparing open-source CMSs
In my experience there's a lot to admire about Drupal but the learning curve for someone who can't tackle it every day -- sometimes not even once a week -- has been quite steep. A volunteer currently advising Green Mobility Network has just recommended that we start fresh in Wordpress. In partial support of his recommendation he cites this piece from TechI: http://www.techi.com/2011/07/open-source-wars-wordpress-vs-drupal-vs-joo... . The comments below the chart are particularly interesting. I'd welcome your thoughts on this -- especially about whether Wordpress is not so good for building beyond the level of a blog. Also, what about the relative merits of Drupal and WP for collecting money and posting/sharing calendars?
John Hopkins
John Hopkins, executive director
Green Mobility Network
www.greenmobilitynetwork.org
305-347-6333
Thanks for the link John I
Thanks for the link John
I went through all of the story and comments and it was very good. I thought the comments were better than the story itself but it all gave good information about Durpal, WordPress and Joomla. Just about everyone says that it depends on what the job is, basically the platform needed will tell you which CMS to use.
Thanks John and hope to see at the next Drupal of Miami Workshop.
For a basic site that has
For a basic site that has some blog posts and/or static pages that need to be editable, contact form, image gallery, I always use Wordpress. It seems to cover 90% of site use cases. Wordpress definitely has a WAY better admin UI (IMO) for content editors/site managers.
Although I haven't implemented a money collection solution for anyone yet, I looked into it one time for a lawyer friend who wanted to set up a subscription system for gated content. I remember that there were several good options (both shopping cart as well as donations and subscriptions) that integrated with PayPal and other payment gateways. Feeding the google was the main way I discovered Wordpress's capabilities.
No experience with calendaring, sorry.
The hardest thing to learn to use Drupal
Hi kviz
Thanks for the information. John just sent me a link:
http://www.techi.com/2011/07/open-source-wars-wordpress-vs-drupal-vs-joo...
that was good about Joomla, WordPress and Drupal. The comments were very good about using Drupal, WordPress or Joomla. What they were saying was that it really depended on what platform was needed for the job that you were doing.
The story has a graph and great comments form people that has been working in the field for awhile.
Thanks again
Ron Norman
Drupal of Miami Workshop