August Santa Cruz Drupal User Group Meeting - Nextspace 7pm to 9pm (Tuesday August 6, 2013)

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2013-08-06 19:00 - 21:00 America/Los_Angeles

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Tomorrow night - Tuesday August 6th - Cameron Eagans will be presenting the State of Drupal 8. Come down and hang out with the Santa Cruz Drupalers and friends :)

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Hi all,

The August meeting with be Tuesday August 6th. Topics? Presenters? Leave a comment :)

We are open to relevant non-Drupal topics too. Julia mentioned talking about Compass sprites.

If no one has anything, I could go over the Privatemsg module. It uses entities in D7 and has a patch for Views integration.

Note: Darren might be able to go over Symfony with us at some point but not sure when.

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I'll be in town for work. I'd

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I'll be in town for work. I'd love to come down and speak, but not sure on the topic. I could talk about Aegir or the state of Drupal 8 after API freeze. Not sure if either of those would be of interest :)

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Cameron Eagans
http://cweagans.net

State of Drupal 8 sounds like

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State of Drupal 8 sounds like a great topic. We touched on it last time and I think it would be good to extend the conversation.

State of Drupal 8 sounds like

juliavdw's picture

State of Drupal 8 sounds like a great topic. We touched on it last time and I think it would be good to extend the conversation.

Drupal 8

Kristen Pol's picture

I'm game for some more Drupal 8 stuff :)

So what did we decide here?

cweagans's picture

So what did we decide here? Do I need to update webchick's slides? :)

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Cameron Eagans
http://cweagans.net

State of Drupal 8 sounds Great

kristintko's picture

I couldn't resist.

State of Drupal 8 sounds Great

kristintko's picture

I couldn't resist.

Presentation for August

Kristen Pol's picture

Hi Cameron,

Sorry... just seeing this. We'd love to have you present on D8. That would be awesome :) Formal presentation or off-the-cuff is fine.

Thanks!

Nextspace

Kristen Pol's picture

Hi all,

Due to our host's health issues :( (https://groups.drupal.org/node/309978), we will need to figure out what is happening for Tuesday. Murias is going to check in with Nextspace.

Murias - please post here when you find out if we have someone to host us Tuesday night.

If we don't, we can all get together for dinner or at a cafe or something and do the meeting without slides. Leave a comment if you have a preference for downtown restaurants/cafes where we'd be able to talk freely.

Thanks!

Any update on this? If it's

cweagans's picture

Any update on this? If it's going to be a less formal thing, I'll not worry about rehearsing my talk again tonight. I'll just come down tomorrow and hang out :)

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Cameron Eagans
http://cweagans.net

Update Pending

murias's picture

I have contact NS, I am awaiting the reply still. Knowing NS a bit, I fully expect to hear back from them most likely around 530p this evening.

Murias

Meeting Confirmed

dandolino's picture

Hey Y'all,

I just noticed this discussion. I can host the meeting this time, as Im available Tuesday evening. Im a NS member. I just told Maya at the front desk.

Cheers,
Dan
831-334-1533

Much Thanx

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See ya tomorrow night then at 7.

Rock! Thanks! Is there a

cweagans's picture

Rock! Thanks! Is there a projector there and if so, can I just use a plain VGA port with it?

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Cameron Eagans
http://cweagans.net

Thanks, Dan, we appreciate

darrylri's picture

Thanks, Dan, we appreciate your help!

Yes, there's a projector. You connect to it over the wifi and it shows your screen. It doesn't show your cursor, so you can't point at stuff with it. (I've resorted to selecting text to highlight it.

Alright, I'll be there a few

cweagans's picture

Alright, I'll be there a few minutes early to get that sorted out then. Thanks, and see you tomorrow!

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Cameron Eagans
http://cweagans.net

Thanks Dan!

Kristen Pol's picture

Glad we are sorted. I heard from Darren and he is back on his iPad now so on the mend! :)

D8 Routing conversions

tim.plunkett's picture

Here's that link to the giant meta issue https://drupal.org/node/1971384

Nice avatar! Nobody's going

darrylri's picture

Nice avatar! Nobody's going to mistake you for a scary alien! :-)

Thanks for adding to the presentation last night, it was very helpful!

On a pedantic note, I was dismayed to learn that yaml files are column sensitive. Between this and SASS files, I wonder if we've forgotten how bad an idea this is.

Doesn't anybody remember... assembler language? Fortran? Cobol? RPG? Column sensitive languages don't mix with error prone people. With those acient languages, at least you could program the keypunch with a drum card and skip to the right columns. (Yes, I really am that old.)

The newer dialect of SASS

cweagans's picture

The newer dialect of SASS isn't indentation based. It's bracket based.

Also, most editors will handle indentation of YAML automatically, so you don't have to worry about it :)

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Cameron Eagans
http://cweagans.net

I will, indeed, do my best

darrylri's picture

I will, indeed, do my best not to worry about it. ;-)

It's just that some of my background is in compilers, and so to watch PHP gradually improve over the last decade, only just very recently to become a modern language of the late 1980s, and then to see SASS, it's like watching history being repeated.

It is fortunate that we can choose to write in SCSS instead of SASS. I can still recall that there were a lot of people that didn't see why goto was a bad idea, and I actually worked for a company that had an internal fight over whether an OS could be built in an implementation language like C or if it had to be done in assembler for performance and size reasons. It's easy to look back at that and smile, but people quit over that decision.

Hmm, I wonder if history is repeating itself that way, too.

Sorry, I can't resist. First

twistor's picture

Sorry, I can't resist.

First off, Sass, and Yaml have nothing to do with PHP.

Second off, these formats are indentation sensitive, as Cameron pointed out, not column sensitive.

Your comparison is like comparing Fortran to Python. The two are wholly unrelated. The problem with the languages referenced is indeed column sensitivity. For instance, nowhere does it say that in a Yaml file column one represents a comment, columns 1-5 represent a label, column six is for continuation, etc.

Finally, your last anecdote about assembler vs. C has nothing to do with syntax.

Since we're being pedantic :)

Could be worse. Could be Makefiles

Torenware's picture

Damn format was designed by Satan Himself.

My overall point was that the

darrylri's picture

My overall point was that the web world moves very fast and, in that haste, seems to sometimes miss some of the lessons and models that have been hashed over in the past. It was the discussion at the SCDUG on Tuesday, where this small detail about YAML pierced my consciousness, that triggered these thoughts.

It's a great thing that the SASS developers have provided SCSS, that PHP now has a workable object model and that Drupal is moving to that model (among many other advances we heard about on Tuesday).

As I said previously, I will do my best not to worry about it. :-)

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