To Britain
Transport options from continental Europe to different parts of Britain:
East coast:
- Rotterdam to Hull (P&O ferry)
- Zeebrugge to Hull (P&O ferry)
South-east:
- Eurostar to London St Pancras (train - €30 each way bike supplement)
- Calais to Dover (P&O ferry)
South:
- Le Havre, Caen, St Malo, Cherbourg, Bilbao to Portsmouth (Brittany ferry)
- Cherbourg to Poole (Brittany ferry)
- St Malo, Roscoff, Santander to Plymouth (Brittany ferry)
Companies: P&O Ferries, Brittany Ferries
Within the UK
Cycling provision in the UK is variable: some cities are good, and some out-of-city provision is quite good, but it's not completely joined up.
Sustrans are trying to join up routes, but the quality isn't always consistent (some routes use e.g. compacted hardcore surfaces, and so aren't very suited to touring bicycles for long journeys.)
Routes:
- http://cycle.travel/ is a useful resource. For example, here is a route from Portsmouth to Fishguard (the M48 cycle route into Wales does seem to exist.) You'd probably want to stop overnight, on that trip, though!
- https://www.cyclestreets.net is also useful: it's a bit older and less whizzier but it seems to give more options on e.g. ease of cycling.
- It might be useful to think about train stations along each route, so people can join in when they want. A map of major GB rail might be useful: note that it's a "tramline" map e.g. it tells you that, to get from Birmingham to Nottingham, you have to change at Derby.
Possible route 1: North Wales
North Wales is known to be good cycling (National Cycling Route 5) and there's a reasonably flat route along the coast.
Rail stops: Crewe? Chester, Bangor.
Possible route 2: North-west England
Rather than going all the way along the north coast of Wales, we could take a ferry from Birkenhead (see below) which for non-UKers is roughly in the "corner" where Wales joins England. This would take us over to Northern Ireland (part of the UK) and we could cycle down into Dublin: see ferries below.
Possible route 3: South Wales
South Wales is slightly more convenient if you're coming into London or the south-east coast, and really want to cycle all the way! But it does then involve even more cycling in Ireland (see below.) And we think it'll be much hillier.
Rail stops: Bristol, Cardiff, Swansea.
Britain to Ireland
Between GB and Ireland, there are a few main ferry routes:
http://seat61.com/Ireland.htm#route%20map
From north to south:
* Birkenhead (Liverpool) to Belfast
* Bootle/Liverpool to Dublin (not shown, but P&O Ferries run it?)
* Holyhead (on the island of Anglesey) to Dublin
* Fishguard to Rosslare (arriving in the south-east of Ireland)
There are other routes (e.g. Craigryan in Scotland to Belfast) but they're much less convenient if you're coming from the south/east originally.
In Ireland
From the north
If coming from Belfast, there is a quieter road (now that the motorway has taken most of the traffic) and only a couple of smallish hills to climb. It's hillier coming in from south of Dublin.
From Dublin ferry
It is a short (though, we are told, not peaceful or easy) ride from Dublin Port to the conference venue.
From the south
More details if we decide on this route.
Possible arrival times
Sunday?
Comments
At first glance, the route
At first glance, the route from Holyhead seems to be the most feasible, as it looks like that is the shortest route for most people that might join this tour.
Not sure which route would provide the best cycle route?
Eurostar and Hoek ferry both arrive in south-east
Most travel to the UK ends up starting in the south east, which makes the Fishguard route potentially better from continental Europe. But as mentioned on the discussion I started, the roads tend to get quieter as you go north and west from London.
For me (south-east of Manchester on that link) Holyhead is probably best; for people from Oxford, Bristol, Brighton etc. they might head to Fishguard.
I'll add this to the wiki page anyway.
Maybe...
...I'm missing the point of cycling from home to Drupalcon. I'd far rather cycle once I've crossed the water. So I've added the Birkenhead to Belfast option to this list. It's pretty easy to get to Liverpool, and hence to Birkenhead, by train from most of the UK. Depends who's coming and what they want to do, I guess.
Once in Ireland, there is a railway line between Belfast and Dublin with six stops between them.
Different goals, I guess
I guess most Drupalers would have "cross[ed] the water" to get to England, and "rather cycle once I've crossed the water" applies to Wales for them. It's not like NI is uniquely exciting for them! Also, organizing routes etc. is slightly easier on mainland GB, where some of us have got experience of it.
Having said that, cycling in North Wales would also be completely novel to me, so I'd be up for it for that reason; although I've nothing against Birkenhead. Apart from the fact that it's Birkenhead. At least it's not Skelmersdale.
I guess the next step is to decide: who's really wanting to come on this trip? So far it's you, me, Youri and Stephen Cox. Do we want an event signup to get numbers? Do we then want a poll for the different routes?
For some reason, by the way, I'm not getting notifications of updates to this group, which is really annoying. So apologies if I don't reply quickly.
In the next few days I will
In the next few days I will make a final decision if I will join the tour at all. The option I consider is the following:
http://www.touristofficedublin.com/luggagestorage.php
https://www.bimbimbikes.com/bike-rental/ireland/dublin/angel-cruisers
http://www.irishrail.ie/
The total costs I calculated are a bit more than my budget (€ 275,-), so I'm in doubt if I find that acceptable.
The costs for me:
If I would fly on Sunday the 25th the costs for me will be € 140,-.
I've now made my decision and
I've now made my decision and booked my flight to arrive on Friday the 23th in Dublin! I've also booked a cancelable accommodation for two days in Dublin, should the tour be canceled.
This means I will join the cycle tour if the route will be from Belfast to Dublin. If so, I would take the train from 15:20 from Dublin Connolly to Belfast Central and arrive there at 17:29.
As I'll need to make reservations for the bike and the train and cancel the accommodation if the tour would indeed be from Belfast to Dublin, I need to know at least two weeks in advance what the final plans are for the tour. So let me know that before September 10.