Posted by greg.harvey on December 11, 2019 at 5:12pm
Wait, hear me out! :-)
By watching this... https://youtu.be/2sEOwDgjD5k
(I swear it's not Rick Astley.)
There are more links under the video, if you're interested in learning more. And finally, I'm proposing an online meeting on 20th December at 1630 GMT to discuss this.
Comments
Awesome!
This is awesome news!
Working together to grow Drupal in the UK is a positive development for us all.
Well I do like to chat.
Well I do like to chat.
Happy to involved! 20th looks
Happy to be involved! 20th looks good to me as well :)
im in
cya on the 20th
This IS Rick Astley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdkCEioCp24
See you on the 20th.
Im in on this.
I will see you all on 20th
I'm in. Any calendar invite
I'm in. Any calendar invite or link to join the meeting?
Count me in!
Good call Greg, let's talk.
Video facility
Hi all,
Thanks for all the +1's, looks like it'll be a busy call! Which means I'm suddenly worried about Hangout capacity... :-/
Maybe we need to use Zoom? Is that OK for everyone you think?
Cheers,
Greg
Zoom is fine to me, if we
Zoom is fine to me, if we need a premium account in case of longer meetings or whatever I'm happy to offer mine to create the session
I'd love to attend.
Count me in.
Sounds great!
Sounds great, zoom is fab, although I often forget to click the record button - perhaps auto record is a feature of the pro version.
there is an autorecord
there is an autorecord option, yes. Everyone happy for me to setup a zoom meeting then, or anyone else prefers to do it? Any particular time?
Yes!
That would be great, thank you so much. If you ping me the link, I'll put it under the YouTube video too. :-)
Just booked the room:
Just booked the room: https://acquia.zoom.us/j/3317229203
let me know by PM any emails and I'll add them to the calendar invite as well
Go for it Alex! I think the
Go for it Alex! I think the initial proposal was 4:30pm.
Count me in
Would like to join, I will look for this space for meeting invite
Um, not sure how to share
Um, not sure how to share publicly the calendar invite. Let me check, if not send me a PM and I’ll add everyone’s emails manually
Event created
Ok, I tried something, let me know if this would work for everyone
https://groups.drupal.org/node/535609
I signed up! :-)
Hopefully that worked?
Link
I updated the link under the YouTube video to point to the g.d.o event as well.
Shall we put an agenda to
Shall we put an agenda to discuss and a desired outcome for this first meeting?
Plan!
Yes, I was hoping the discussion doc would kind of lead things really:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RjSH_u6NL6bJ3VY8wY7EYBjPnTUsONEPYb0i...
Ultimately my desired outcome would be we've identified any areas of the discussion doc that might pose a problem. (Some folk have already made some useful comments.)
I imagine most people would agree there needs to be a team (the Dutch do this to make sure there isn't too much on any one individual and the roles are easily transferable if someone wants to hand over) and the specific roles is detail that we can come back to. Same goes for entity, even name!
I think the meat of it is "How will the team function?" - particularly "How will we pick a team?" ... That needs to be worked out in a way that most people are satisfied with, because that's the backbone of your constitution right there.
And related, this is important:
If we can get some agreement on those two bits alone, we'll have done well. :-)
AND ANOTHER THING
We'll probably have to have a caretaker chair, so that role and term needs deciding. Just by way of an example, you might say that person will have two jobs:
After that, they are automatically out of a job. They can of course run to be elected chair of the first actual board, but their work is done the moment the election has been held unless they are elected to another role on the board.
That way you have some decision making capacity so things don't get bogged down, but you also have a hard exit for that person once things are in place.
Not going to make it on the
Not going to make it on the 20th, but let me know if you need anything.
Precision of purpose
Hi all,
Had a few offline chats with people ahead of the call on Friday, and I would like to make some additional, but probably important, observations. I'd tried to set the tone for the creation of a possible association in page 4 of the document linked to under the video, but I appreciate it may not have been clear enough.
So with that in mind, on the agenda point, some things to consider adding - and some of this is literally my opinion:
Scope - the purpose of this effort is to provide a supporting and complementing association, not an overarching or superior organisation, nor to interfere with existing work being undertaken. Clearly the scope of an association will be really important. My intention, after talking to a number of people active in existing groups, was to suggest something focused specifically on marketing Drupal across the UK. That marketing might take multiple forms: B2B; event attendance; media messaging; education outreach; etc. If scope is limited to that, it can't impinge on existing community activities and events. Nor would it have anything to do with trying to speak for the UK at a community level. That's not what it's for. If we try to make it bigger, we risk trying to do too much and also splintering what could otherwise be a consolidated effort.
Name - I had relegated this to "not really important yet" in my head, but actually name signals intent, so maybe it should be higher up the agenda - and maybe Drupal UK isn't accurate enough. Given what I said above, maybe we should be more precise - something as simple as 'Drupal Marketing UK' might make a lot of people more comfortable, as it's clearer what the scope is and there's no confusion.
Fundraising - respecting geographies currently worked by existing groups and ensuring we don't cannibalise in any way the fundraising being undertaken by those groups will also be important. We need to hear from groups in the UK already drawing funds from individuals and businesses and make sure we don't threaten their means or survival by accidentally diverting funds from them.
Just some additional food for thought, not entirely my own but it all makes sense to me so I don't mind posting it in my name.
Thanks,
Greg
Marketing
There is lots of great stuff here.
I think name is important. I would favour something like Promote Drupal UK over Drupal Marketing UK, as the word 'Marketing' has some unfriendly connotations.
+1
Like!
Drupal British Association
my two cents, does the purpose need to be on the name? I think for example on the Spanish association, which name is "Drupal Spanish Association". That covers everything that we know today that the association needs to be doing, but maybe the purpose can change overtime?
Drupal British Association? DBA? Great Drupal Association? :-D
Not at all
Sure, no need to have the purpose in the name, I was just trying to come up with something that was uncontentious, as Drupal UK has raised a few concerns by itself.
How about The Greatest And Best Drupal Association In The World (Tribute).
https://media1.tenor.com/images/a879ae20f7d0aaea1f64f4461e301377/tenor.g...
I like it
Lol, I like that :-D
+1
and that's my contribution done.
I'll be on the call as well,
I'll be on the call as well, and see what we can offer from DrupalCamp London pov.
About Scope, Fundraising, Name
About scope...
I wrote a post last month which, aligned to "Prioritise the beginner experience" Strategic Track proposed by Dries in Amsterdam, suggests a "Not-Just-Code" initiative.
Many local groups cover brilliantly everything code related, but most of them lack on anything that is not properly "code".
IMO having an association which promotes and campaigns Drupal in many Not-Just-Code forms would be exactly what Dries proposed, and a huge resource and an example to spread globally.
About fundraining...
I'm looking for example at NJC initiative last goal in the blog post above, "Create and promote specific programmes helping facilitate the adoption or learn of Drupal on environments like High Schools and Education in general, Detention centres, Immigration or Job centres, etc.".
How easy would be actioning some of these programmes, through government funds for instance.
About name...
Although I do like Drupal UK, I understand this can only brings arguments and non-sense wars.
I do see the reason behing "Drupal Marketing" (but please, no! :( ) or "Drupal Promote". But IMHO these are too easy picks?
Why not doing for once something a bit different and using "Drops"?
It has drupal meaning, the imagine of drops is small bits creating a big change, it's clean and can't hurt anyone or anything.
Just few thoughts. Speak you on friday!
Community Software
This is a great discussion!
In order to improve my communication skills I’ve been working with a presenting coach which has been great as I’m learning what words and phrases non/less tech than me people understand.
Key learning was that they don’t get ‘Open Source’ and other phrases we use but they do get ‘Community Software’, so would be great to express that somehow in naming this.
I’ve developed my ‘Authority Model’ as part of this which I’m happy to share - basically it’s three interlocking circles going into what community software means - affordability (due to shared costs, no vendor lock-in and no licence fees); simplicity (cos it’s flexible, easy to use and tailored) and integration (providing brand consistency, scalability and responsiveness); and what happens if parts of that are missing, e.g. complicated, cost prohibitive, fragmented experience. I can share the diagram somewhere...
Just thought I’d mention as always believed we need to change our language if we want to attract more non code contributors as well as increase adoption across the board, and I’m finding people understand me more when I use these words and phrases.
Don't forget!
Don't forget to sign up here so Alex can add you to the Zoom call if you want to participate tomorrow:
https://groups.drupal.org/node/535609
:-)
Good morning, I have left the
Good morning,
I have left the recording in the event I created for this: https://groups.drupal.org/node/535609#comment-1164646
Happy week everyone :-)
Second meeting for January
Second meeting for January created: https://groups.drupal.org/node/535636
Thanks!
Fab, thanks Alex. As I said in that thread, unfortunately I won't make that meeting in the end. I'd totally forgotten my dad was coming that day and I have to fetch him, so if someone could chair that would be great. Happy to help with documentation / agenda beforehand, just need someone to keep conversation on track. :-)
Slack channel
As Alex suggested, there's a dedicated Slack channel here:
https://app.slack.com/client/T06GX3JTS/CS370GZBL
It's public, all interested parties welcome. :-)
Next meeting?
Shall we set a date and time for the next one? I propose 16:30 UTC on 31st January.
I also propose a simple agenda:
I think if we can get those things done, we are ready to talk about it at DCL! :-)
Roles
Also, I've seen some chat about interim roles. I would suggest simply:
That could be the caretaker board. The draft constitution, if accepted, already makes it the responsibility of the Secretary to organise elections, and you need a Chair and a Treasurer by default, plus the Chair can take on public correspondence in the very short term. (This board shouldn't exist more than about 3 months. In fact we should state in writing this board must have organised elections to replace itself by 30th April 2020 at the latest, I would say.)
That's not to say the election TEAM won't be bigger - just in terms of formal "members of the board" to kick things off.
How does that sound?
Sounds good. Let us know the
Sounds good. Let us know the dial in details!
will@zoocha.com
Next meeting
I'll set up something more formal, but here it is for now
https://groups.drupal.org/node/535720
Next Friday, see you all :-)
I have created a public
I have created a public calendar to help organising the different events. Feel free to subscribe/add yourself. The next 2 meetings with joining details should there already.
https://calendar.google.com/calendar/embed?src=acquia.com_o3fnesdm0grtvn...
add it to your own calendar following this link: https://calendar.google.com/calendar/b/1?cid=YWNxdWlhLmNvbV9vM2ZuZXNkbTB...
DEW
For completeness of the thread, and because this happened in meetings and in Slack, summary of where we are:
there will not be a Drupal association for the UK, there wasn't a way to reconcile all parties and while there's nothing stopping anybody from setting up an association as they see fit, it didn't feel sensible to set something up knowing some people in the UK were already against it
instead there will be a Drupal England and Wales (DEW for short) - we've received no objections to this idea and, from what we've heard, there are unlikely to be any
the intention is to sign off on constitution and roles in a meeting this Friday (21st Feb 2020) to allow us to seek candidates for election in time for DrupalCamp London
I think that's a fair description of where we're at.
For completeness:
Constitution - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XYPHQWWiJ-hYB5Kl2lailWGdk144iITLE_2f...
Roles - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cGy6kUwpRi3JDUy8IaOQjqICCoE8mJzYqTVU...
As always, all comers welcome, contact Alex Moreno on Slack for meeting details. :-)
Thanks,
Greg
Outcomes
Today's meeting was successful, although attendance was down. The agenda / minutes document is here:
TL;DR -
Constitution and Roles documents were accepted by all present with a few minor changes. Schedule was scratched out for announcement, sign-ups and elections, with a view to having a board in place by 31st March. Actions handed out to move towards that happening.
Update
Just realised, this G.D.O. thread has kind of fizzled out as the chat moved to Slack.
So, there have been a couple more meetings, there will be an announcement today at the CxO Day of DrupalCamp London, everything's lining up nicely for DEW elections.
You can catch up on all the action on the website, as it's a pretty comprehensive set of information with regard to where we are.
Also, for historical purposes, where I've been in attendance and taking notes/minutes throughout this process there are some documents here:
Things are coming together! :-)