Posted by Neil 'Cloud Ven... on September 6, 2010 at 8:33pm
Hello there
After a few years off I have recently become involved with Drupal again, and the title of this group caught my eye as doing so. I was curious and yes it does actually stem from our first work here. The first post for this group quotes
"User askbajwa had some ideas about a cooperative model in 2006."
That was mainly myself and Jenny that got that going as part of launching 'iFOSSF' (ifossf.org). We haven't advanced it much since then due to other directions, day jobs etc., however have been getting back into it, hence arriving back here at Drupal.
How nice to see the ideas finding some new legs... :-)
Neil.
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gday
hey Cloud Ventures,
the obvious thing; what would a Drupal Worker Cooperative do ? sell Drupal products and services ?
to who ?
would be an interesting thing to explore the intersection of the new economy and worker cooperatives ?
i.e. where does free work start and end, where does paid work start and end ?
what is open? what is closed?
is it a codebase? a website ? a service business ? etc
cheers
-N
FOSS ecosystem
Thanks to Neil for bringing my attention to this group, glad to see the co-op concept is resurfacing again :-)
As Neil said day job and other priorities, the work that ifossf.org envisioned (see our home page) has not progressed as much as we would like to see. The main concept of iFOSSF is around building the FOSS ecosystem with a focus on business/social problems/opportunities first, technology second. The followings are provided as point of references on how we see this would work - i.e. the co-op should have an end-goal that all members share. In iFOSSF, We bring technologies and other required business skills together (e.g. sales, marketing, lifecycle maintenance) only when a sound opportunity is identified that has the potential to sustain itself for the long run and creating "positive changes" by doing things differently, rather than one time paid job. This will be the emotional sticking point that allow members to build up both free and paid work portfolios.
@ nicolo - "where does free work start and end, where does paid work start and end"
here is an example: iFOSSF focuses on using open source and emerging technologies to leap frog developing communities/countries.
One of our flagship project is a partnership project with our partner at onevillagefoundation.org to establish replicateable Open Digital Villages (ODiV), open source software and open source way of working is a key part of this program. Ghana has been the first center http://www.onevillagefoundation.org/opendigitalvillages
So to answer the question about:
"Where does free work start and end" in ODiV case, we expect a centralized portal (in progress) which will be a place to
Note that paid work does not have to be writing code, for example: business development and visual design are equaly important if not more to make a project successul.
"Where does paid work start and end"
Of course, devil is all in the details. This current model works, as the # of contributing members are still very small so the contribution/reward system is somewhat easy to manage. I suspect when there are many projects and hundreds/thousands of contributors, maintaining a transparent system will be challenging especially at a global level. Community currency and peer-to-peer production have been the frequent discussions among our core members. I have not had time to read through all the posts on this group yet, a quick glance the co-op proposed seem more like a membership based trade associate which is most likely will have different regulations on what it is/isn't allowed to do than what I stated above. Would love to explore with this group to find synergies.. ODiV might sound foreign to some, the same process can easily apply to, say, deploying Druapl, open source enterprise applications for Cloud.
Jenny
hey niccolo
hey niccolo
to add to Jenny's points and to answer your question, yes, this is the key point to our motivations in this area:
yes it certainly would, wouldn't it. I see in this same forum someone is developing a distribution for this business model, and this combination of being able to mass produce free software in response to new business models is a helpful undercarriage.
in terms of all the other questions, like who sells what to who etc., I see these as the constant factor, the basics of business that any business plan has to answer. it's the nature of the organizational model that is changing as part of this conversation, so ultimately the question is how does it enable better business activity in general, ... how can it help Drupalers sell more Drupal, etc.
Cheers, Neil.