Drupalcons - Big cities, Small cities, who cares

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greggles's picture
Big cities are better
33% (101 votes)
Small cities are better
19% (58 votes)
Other details are more important
48% (149 votes)
Total votes: 308

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some background

greggles's picture

This question was brought up on the DrupalEasy Podcast and it was also a concern/concept I heard multiple people raise as they discussed Barcelona vs. Szeged and, more recently, Paris vs. Maastricht.

  • Is there any consistent preference?
  • Should we even consider this issue?
  • Big cities will likely draw more people because the transportation options, inherent draw of the location, and tourism options are stronger - should we choose big cities to get more attendees?
  • Destination resort towns are small enough to have a "Drupaltown" feeling but still have many benefits of a big city - is that the best of both worlds??

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Big cities are better

Fiveonline's picture

I Think Big cities is the best option.

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In My Humble Opinon: I would

Roel Guldemond's picture

In My Humble Opinon: I would prefer an argumentation on the preferation for bigger cities.

I visited the thebrandsaloon.com. Looks overwhelming, really fantastic exposure. I lack argumentation how you help on what. It does remind me of the exposure I felt from the many great names in softwarebusiness, where I ended up in a situations of overkill on mismatches of functionality and requirements. That is why I started to explore the potential of open source software. From the beginning I am having the opinion the Drupalcon-visitors are not the average of the population. We grow to a situation where people join our communities, where we will encounter different styles, methods, backgrounds et cetera. So welcome too, we can help each other, IMHO

I have the opinion Drupal has lot of arguments on how Drupal can meet requirements of people building and using better information systems. So Drupal has a lot of good argumentation for getting to the market, short: marketing.

I think we need to make it easy to attend.

MatthewS's picture

I think an International airport being close by is essential-with the relative cost of flying in and out of the airport being taken into consideration. Barcelona was a very easy city to get to and from. Szeged's options were much more limited and involved, after flying to Europe, additional (and significant) effort to make it to the host city.

It's all about perception

Amazon's picture

I think that towns on the outskirts of larger Metro areas can be as easy to get to as crossing big cities like Barcelona. After an International flight 30, 60, 90 minutes is all too long to get to your destination.

What I do think that matters is access to both tourism destinations and central business hubs. Many people will extend their trip for a few days if there's a lot of tourism to be done and that combination of work play means more people will come along. Lots of people stuck around in Barcelona for days after. In Szeged, people seemed to move along pretty quickly. Both were great destinations.

A lot people will have business opportunities one hop from a major international airport. I think we will see a lot of pre or post Drupalcon Paris trips to London for example. Being able to have the maximum flexibility will increase attendance and tighten the bonds and collaboration among members in the Drupal community.

Large cities also tend to make it easier for many people to have a variety of accomodations. Some will stay with friends, others will get vacation rental properties, and others will get hotels. These options seem more likely in larger cities.

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mind you

bertboerland's picture

travel time is not the biggest issue imho

for example from Charlesses de Gaulle towards city center Paris (40 minutes), metro (avg 10 minutes), walking to the hotel (10 minutes), is also an hour or more.

Ambiance and scale are more important to me. I like Szeged because you could find other Drupal people in town. In a metro-pole you will be happy if you can find your hotel at night (now depending your nightly habits, that might be the same in a smaller town :-)

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Rosamunda's picture

I´ve voted big cities are better.
But I also think that there are other details that are more important or equally important :)

For people that lives far away from the drupalcon, a big city where you can do drupal stuff AND make a small nice holiday, and be a happy tourist, could be more attractive than a small non-interesting city.
That way, users can have 2 reasons to go! :)

I also think that the size doesn´t matter, it´s the "touristic advantages" that matters.
For example: People in South America could consider far more interesting to invest time and money in a trip to Paris, to assist to the next DrupalCon, than to Washington.
Both are big cities, but Paris has many more non-drupal advantages.
At least in my opinion.

Rosamunda

Fargo

emjayess's picture

yeah Fargo -- bring it to Fargo!

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Whole shebang

Roel Guldemond's picture

Personnaly, when I decide on something I try to weigh the whole.

But luckily I feel human. I have preconceptions. I contributed to the Maastricht proposal. I find Maastricht having a lot of advantages on Paris. And also I am sure Paris will be a great place to have a DrupalCon. Just because I will find what I am looking for: I like to meet people who have a drive to improve. The fanatic pioneers who spent much energy and time into what they believe. I have been meeting them in Bruxelles, Barcelona, Szeged. The bigger this good content management system of "us" gets, the more "other" people will be in among users of this "better" software. More follower-types will join. Those who go more easy. Downloaders of open source software, but bring back less than pioneer-types.

It might not even occur their minds. May be you can delight them with your fair business offer? I think they will weigh your total offer, the whole shebang. And I like to see that next DrupalCon will attract a lot of Francophone people. It might attract more people from latin countries. Which I think is a positive element for growth of the good software we support. So an Asian DrupalCon would be great too!

I find the total offer important. Therefore I voted "other details are more important"

A Good Public Transportation Infrastructure

matt_paz's picture

I think any city (which often translates into bigger cities) with a good public transportation infrastructure is a big plus.

In a big city with good

kvantomme's picture

In a big city with good public transport it can easily still take 1-2 hours travel between a great deal of locations. In smaller towns you can often have everything in walking distance. In Europe smaller towns also have very good public transport...

In big cities car traffic is often a nightmare. In smaller towns, you can park you car at the venue...

Often for big cities you are still sitting half an hour easily in a train. Maybe it's called a shuttle or a metro but it's still the same long to get into town...

So I think all in all transportation infrastructure is not always in the advantage of big cities, yes there is more of it, but in general there is also a lot more town to span.


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why not go global..

psipi@drupal.org's picture

surely we can find a way.. to localise.. not ideal.. but making them available without the plane fairs.. it's a big hindrance.. and time factor.. creating time windows is good.. but possibly.. making the events work across timezones.. then could be both..

when was the last successful webcast conference?

a role for camps

greggles's picture

I see this as more of a role for local DrupalCamps. At DrupalCampColorado we brought in video presentations for about 5-10 of the 20 presentations we had and they worked really well. It allowed for some great variety that we didn't necessarily have locally.

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technical implementation video presentions

kvantomme's picture

Hi Greg,

Do you have a write up somewhere of the technical implementation of these video presentations? I think it could be a very valuable resource for other Drupalcamps. last election I became the first contact point for the DA for European events and I see already now at least 1 event where this could come in handy.


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second that!

Susan MacPhee's picture

Yes, please any documentation on technical implementation of video presentations would be great. I was so impressed on how fast DC/DC got theirs up on Archive.

other details?

kvantomme's picture

All 50% that say that other details are important, anybody wants to elaborate?

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Many factors

Boris Mann's picture

How far it is to travel from where you are, how expensive flights are, what accommodation costs, if there are other activities and/or cities that can be combined in one visit etc. etc. etc.

Whistler is a small city, right next to Vancouver, which is a larger city. Whistler in the winter time might be an excellent choice, since it's close to a major city with a major airport, and has the bonuses of being great for those that like to ski.

And then there are my considerations as what is good for Drupal vs. what is interesting for me. For example, I have relatives along the Rhein, so it might be interesting to me to have Drupalcon in Koblenz, which is nearby. However, if I'm marketing Drupalcon Koblenz ... well, it's simply not as exciting as Drupalcon Berlin.

I'm more interested in who's

mike stewart's picture

I'm more interested in who's attending, quality of sessions, networking opportunities.

Seriously, Boston or DC in Feb & early March just is not an appealing destination. I'm glad Drupal is.

Besides location is price. Ticket price keeps creeping up and if future conferences turn into $400 tickets... then the costs will outweigh many benefits. Contrast a high ticket price to the Los Angeles Drupal Camp this year where we pulled off a camp with over 400 people in attendance... ticket price? FREE! Location? LA Convention Center. Plus, weather wasn't a topic.

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If you want convenience...

highermath's picture

We could have the entire con at the Munich airport. Great hotel and event center, plenty of restaurants, and as one of the big three hubs in continental Europe, plenty of opportunities for low-cost airfare.

Hotel price might be a little problematic.

On the subject of "DrupalTown"...

webchick's picture

Just wanted to point out that at DC, every single night I ran into Drupal people randomly in the street much as I did in Szeged. And DC is by no means a small town. It's worth pointing out though that this was only possible because the DC conference organizers chose a venue close to an area with tons of restaurants/entertainment nearby, where people will naturally gravitate after the conference ends for the day.

So I would say venue location is a very important consideration, regardless of city.

And more on the subject of DrupalTown...

alex_b's picture

Small/big doesn't matter, what matters is how navigable a place is. Szeged worked great because it was small enough to really randomly meet people. DC worked because we mostly used a very small part of the city (China town, U Street and Adams Morgan) and we had Twitter.

Coordination, meeting space and transportation are key.

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Being cheap....

prfctpatrn's picture

I prefer locations that allow for low cost hotels and airfares. I would rather pay more for the DrupalCon event itself than $200+ a night for a hotel and $1200 for airfare. With the economy being in such a state of flux, it is hard to predict 6-12 months out what cost might be. Las Vegas today is a bargain compared to last summer. Barcelona airfares have sunk to the $200-300 range from the east coast down from $1,000 peak. If we stick to hub cities in off seasons, it should be easy to minimize costs. Also, with the depressed state of the dollar, more events on the US east coast will give our European Druaplers more chances for inexpensive shopping.

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Easy transportation access

GregoryHeller's picture

Easy transportation access to the city is important. Most People should be able to get there in one or two flights, or my an easy train trip or drive. Both DC and Boston offered that.

I know that one reason i did not go to szeged was the number of flights plus the train all would have added up to nearly a full day of travel in each direction for me (from the us west coast).

Once in the host city, if there is a 30 minute subway ride, that is less important that if the only option is a $50 cab ride, IMO.

So city size matters not, each of transportation to and from and within the city is at the top of my list, plus the amenities one in the city. i am not so concerned about tourism as restaurants, hotels and nightlife.

I also think that not everyone needs to attend every drupalcon, and we should think not about one big audience for each drupalcon but more regional audiences, at least continental audiences. Maybe a western European event would attract europe and eastern US and Eastern Canadians, while a western US event would attract americans (us and canada) and a Asian/Pacific Audience as well as central and western south american audience. an eastern european even might attract europe, asia and the indian subcontinent.

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Size doesn't matter - Other things do

dsabol's picture

As someone who was involved in event planning for a global association the size of the city wasn't nearly as important to us when compared to a number of other factors - many of which were suggested above. From my perspective I think you need to build outward when planning something like DrupalCon's.

First, what is the Drupal user-base and project attendance? Granted D is a growing global topic so it's likely that there is pretty even distribution but having a general idea of where your installed base/users/developers are helps you plots possible locations.

Second, once you have your general idea you need to look at transportation. Is it an attractive, exotic or intriguing location that may attract more folks from a distance? If so then proximity to a good international airport is key. Take Europe for example, I've seen short flights between neighboring countries that were as expensive as the flights from outside of the continent. Need to try to keep the playing field as level as you can for everybody.

Third, infrastructure is another key. What is getting around the city like? Is there ample mass transit? Even if there is, what is the reality? I sat in traffic for an hour when I was in Hong Kong for a ride that was only 15 miles. Again, once people are there the venue needs to be accessible. Ideally, you have a venue that those that traveled in from a distance can get to by walking or a very short cab ride. For the locals, I think it has to be in a place where they can access it via mass transit or there is parking on-site (or near).

Fourth, amenities definitely factor in to a decision. To Webchick's point, DC worked out because the convention center is surrounded by bunches of really great restaurants, hotels, bars, etc. You didn't have to stumble to far off the beaten path to find what you were looking for which in turn means more chances for engaging with other attendees. As part of this consideration, I think there has to be an ample amount of hotels of varying price points because everyone's budgets are different. When I was involved with this, it was one of our biggest requests/complaints.

Wherever you plan for it, it may be useful to work with a meeting pro to see if they can secure group discounts on hotels, airfare, etc. as they generally have significant pull especially for decent sized conferences. Every little bit counts.

Thats my $.02 (probably less as adjusted for the economy).

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beautifulmind's picture

The important thing is agenda of the event and not the venue.
Other things can be managed. What it takes more is efforts and manpower to organize the event successfully.

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