Posted by jp.stacey on August 31, 2016 at 1:43pm
Hi all,
At least one group of Drupalers is confirmed to be cycling to Drupalcon Dublin, as part of this year's Tour de Drupal.
However, The Belfast–Dublin group could really do with some recommendations from people who know the region and/or the two cities. Can you help?
Here's some of the things we'd love to have advice on:
- A gathering-place in Belfast suitable for around 0830 on Saturday morning.
- A route between Belfast and Dublin, suitable if possible for (a) safe cycling and (b) road cycles (so minor roads would be better than major roads or offroad routes.)
- (Maybe) somewhere to stay overnight near Dundalk.
- A gathering-place in Dublin for around 1800 on Sunday evening, maybe with a wet-weather option.
So not much, then! But we'll probably figure out what we can: it would just really help if anyone can suggest anything, especially any possible pitfalls.
Thanks!
J-P

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Places in Dublin
Hi J-P,
Co-operation Ireland has been running a Belfast to Dublin cycle for the last 3 decades, so might be worth getting in touch with them about recommended routes.
http://www.cooperationireland.org/
http://www.cooperationireland.org/media/1305/maracycle-entry-form.pdf
I'd say your choice of where to arrive in Dublin might be influenced by where the bulk of the group are staying.
There's quite a lot of open space in front of the Convention Centre Dublin along the river front. And there's even more space beside the CHQ building a block or two upriver from there. However there won't be many places to take shelter on a Sunday evening, or to go for something to eat.
Just across the River Liffey is the Grand Canal Dock, which has a large open plaza. There's several restaurants and bistros in the area, that should be open on Sunday evening. And it's around the corner from the Clayton which I think is one of the hotels affiliated with DrupalCon.
If you want to arrive right into the city centre, there's a smaller area called Barnardo Square, just beside City Hall, along Dame St. There will be lots and lots of places to eat and drink around here. You can see a community map of some recommendations here:
www.drupal.ie/map
I needn't tell you to make sure everyone locks their bikes securely, here's a reminder :-)
https://youtu.be/VVd9-0HhsfA
Actually, another suitable area might be Fade Street. There is indoor secure parking provided by the City Council around the corner on Drury Street. And there are several great places to get a bite to eat and something to drink.
Let me know if you've any other questions. Sorry I can't advise on some of your questions.
Hope ye get to have the wind behind ye :-)
Conor
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Brill!
Thanks, Conor: I was going to reply more fully yesterday but was having g.d.o login problems (https://www.drupal.org/node/2678132). I'll have a look at what Co-operation Ireland have done in the past and then get back to you if I've any other thoughts!
Maracycle route online; food and cycle parking both good
Thanks again, Conor. I looked up the Maracycle and their own site implied it was about 220 miles. After finishing having a heart attack I quickly realised was probably the round trip mileage, because this Mapmyride someone did of the 2015 course was about 173 km, or 107 miles...!
Looks good although in some places they go along e.g. the A3, presumably because it's been closed for the ride? What are the A roads like along that route?
And thanks for the venues: personally I'd go for peace of mind but if we're locking several bikes at once (maybe all together in a lump) then that'll help wherever we are.
Google Maps suggested routes
Hi J-P,
I was given a contact within Cycling Ireland, who organise events like these. But she's currently caught up with the Paralympic Games. If I do hear anything back, I'll let you know.
I just do NOT know the quality of the roads on different routes, but searching around turned up this article that lists some of the towns through which the participants rode.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/maracycle/make-a-break-for-the-b...
Tweaking routes with google maps between cycling and walking turns up a few variations:
Supposing you're departing from Belfast City Hall, and arriving at Drury Street Car Park opposite Brooks Hotel in Dublin.
The 161KM WALKING route suggested by Google Maps includes:
The A1, around Dromore, around Banbridge, then changing onto the Belfast Road into Newry.
Then out the old Dublin Road, which seems to become the L3097, eventually changing to the R132 coming into Dundalk.
Leaving Dundalk south on the Dublin Road/R132, passing through Castlebellingham and a few other villages until you get to Droheda, still on the R132.
The R108 takes you south through Naul, continuing through Roganstown and what looks to be a golf course, the route then turns onto the R125 into Swords.
The route then seems to cut in front of Dublin Airport, down into Whitehall, joining up with the N1, through Drumcondra, eventually turning onto Capel Street, and with a bit of wiggling through town, you get to Drury Street.
The 185KM CYCLING route suggested by Google Maps includes:
Departing along the A1, but then changing onto the A3, until you arrive at the Cusher River. This seems to turn into the Newry Canal, which the route follows all the way into Newry.
Leaving Newry, is another variation from the walking route, to follow what starts as the Low Road. Eventually coming into Dundalk anyway.
Leaving Dundalk, the cycling route proposed by Google Maps, suggests taking the R152 through Duleek, Ashbourne, the Ward (behind Dublin Airport), and in the N2 to Dublin. And arriving into town via the Four Courts on the River Liffey. Then with a bit of wiggling through town you get onto Drury Street.
The route described in the article above sounds much more like the walking than the cycling route, what do you think? Though, if the surface alongside the canal is nice, I can see the attraction of the detour. The MapMyRide reported for the 2015 MaraCycle seems to be yet another variation/hybrid of the two. Note that it's destination is a university in North Dublin. And actually the starting point is in an area south of Belfast City Centre. I don't know Belfast very well, but another starting point could be near Queen's University, University Road, Belfast.
You'll also want to double check everyone can make the opening hours of the Drury Street Car Park. It has lots of spaces for locking bicycles, but the opening hours on Sunday aren't as much as the rest of the week.
http://www.parkrite.ie/carparks/drury
Drury Street, and neighbouring Fade Street, George's Street and William's Street have lots and lots of places to meet, eat and drink, including Drury Buildings, The Market Bar, Hogans, and Grogans to name but a few.
Hope this helps a bit...
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Into Dublin?
Conor, a quick query: you mention the N2 into Dublin. Stephen's put together a provisional route from Dundalk, taking in Drogheda (so we could meet up with anyone else who wants to join us there.)
But Stephen's route comes in on the R135, not the N2. And we're not 100% sure if there's nice routes around Dublin that we're missing (is there good cycling provision in the city?) If you've any thoughts then do let us know!
Hi,First post here, I have
Hi,
First post here, I have cycled most of the route, mostly the part between Dublin and Newry a few times in both directions there are plenty of options but I mainly use the R132 which is the old main road between Dublin and Belfast as this is bypassed by the M1 the traffic is light enough, you can also choose to follow the coast at certain parts.
Although the A1/N1 between Newry and Dundalk appears to be a motorway it is legal to cycle on this stretch and cuts a good bit of time out, the alternative is through meigh/forkhill which are country roads some of which were used in the giro d'italia and have been resurfaced. The other alternative is Carlingford but this adds a good bit of distance.
I usually follow the R132 as far as Balbriggan and then head for Skerries for a more scenic coastal route (the surface on the R132 between Balbriggan and Swords is very bad) and rejoin the R132 just before Swords, once across the estuary I turn down onto the estuary road and head for Malahide to follow the coast road into Dublin R106/R807, this is far more pleasant and scenic than any of the other routes approaching the city from the north and there is a good cycle track from sutton to clontarf.
here are some links to routes I have taken in the past:
https://www.strava.com/activities/515173296
https://www.strava.com/activities/71939380
https://www.strava.com/activities/72418826
Great alternatives!
@Keoal thanks - those are great suggestions. Meigh seems to be our biggest hill and our steepest climb (15% or so) so if we could do that on the N1 that would be good: your traces seem to suggest it turns it into a 2 or 3-percenter. I think our route there depends on how comfortable our entire group is doing what could be a busy road: does the A1/N1 have a separate cycle path at all?
I love the idea of coming in via Skerries and the coast. It'll be a bit more relaxing for the last 30-40km to do it that way.
no cycle path but there is a
no cycle path but there is a hard shoulder so you have your own lane, there is still a big climb up from newry, the only thing is the a1/n1 has slip roads which some may be uncomfortable with, the meigh route is more scenic though and its all downhill to Dundalk on both routes.
OK, I'll pass that on to
OK, I'll pass that on to Stephen, who's looking into the routes. It's possible we could split up for ten miles or something, or just that we really hit the hills :)
Coastal route
Hi J-P,
Have just heard back from an experienced tourer, and she recommends cycling an alternative coastal route:
There seems to be a few choices anyway :-)
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Thanks so much, Conor. You
Thanks so much, Conor. You didn't have to go to this much trouble, but I really appreciate it. Do you fancy training it out and joining us? :) We're considering a meeting place early on the second day somewhere south of Dundalk (see below)....
I think the coastal route sounds nice, but it could be a bit of a distance, especially for our one or two novice riders. I'll ask whoever's bringing the Garmin (Stephen, probably!) if he can figure something out, anyway. Between that and the canal route (which I quite like the sound of, but which might not be great on road tyres) we've got a fair few options.
Drury Street's closing time should be OK: we're planning to do half the journey each day (so 90km each if we're doing the most direct route) which means if we leave somewhere around Dundalk at 9ish we should get into Dublin for 6pm-ish. But it's good to know we've got that limitation. Is there a charge for bike parking, or just car?
Free parking for bicycles
Hi J-P,
you're very welcome, it's thanks really to some of the other volunteers in a cycling advocacy group here in Dublin that got back to me.
Drury Street Car Park doesn't charge for parking bicycles. Here's an article from the City Council from when the bike parking part first opened:
http://www.dublincitycycling.ie/blog/index.php/2009/10/new-cycle-parking...
It'd be interesting to find out the paving quality on the route along the Newry Canal.
PS: Thanks for the invite to join ye. I did consider it for a minute, even though I am already in Dublin :-)
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Replies
Hi JP, Stephen and Alan,
I'm just pasting in replies from people I'd contacted about routes:
Reply #1, from another organisation:
Reply #2 , in response to this route https://www.strava.com/routes/6556983:
It seems one advantage of hugging closer to the coast is that you avoid some of the hills. And you'd probably enjoy nicer views.
Looking at the weather, Saturday looks to be a bit wet and breezy. At least Sunday's forecast looks a little drier
https://www.wunderground.com/q/zmw:00000.15.03969
Hope ye enjoy it whatever way ye make it here, safe journey,
Conor
DrupalCon Dublin 2016
http://dublin2016.drupal.org
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Thanks, Conor. We did
Thanks, Conor. We did consider more of a coastal route, especially at the start (head east from Belfast and down) but we've got a range of cyclists and only two days! Much more than 60–70 miles and we could end up having less fun.
I'll pass the rest on to Stephen, though. I think taking to the coast after Dundalk might be best (we'll have a nicer day for it too) so those suggestions really help!
Speaking of fun, the Saturday does look wet: wetter as we go along! But I've warned the group to bring wet-weather gear, so fingers crossed.