Posted by susan macphee on July 18, 2012 at 1:14am
Do you think it would be useful to have a graphic identity for Drupal Design Camp(s) that can be used yearly in site designs, materials, and communications?
Something like: http://web.mit.edu/graphicidentity/logo/placement.html that's used on hundreds of uniquely branded departments within the organization.
It could help save money and resources on signage for yearly events.
How about having a logo contest for Design 4 Drupal?

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Sure, a single logo and press kit
Sure, a single logo and press kit sound like a good consolidation of effort. I'm not a fan of logo contests, though. I think there was recently a discussion around spec work in the Drupal Association group at http://groups.drupal.org/node/237478 which neatly summarizes the issue.
I'm certainly interested in being part of this discussion, however. Drupal Design Camp LA is coming up on October 12, 13 & 14, and I think in theory we're all interested in reducing duplication of effort.
As far as Drupal Design Camp LA goes, it's a production of the Downtown Los Angeles Drupal group. Can you cross-post this discussion to the Downtown Los Angeles and Drupal Design Camp LA groups?
http://groups.drupal.org/og/subscribe/219129
http://groups.drupal.org/og/subscribe/242368
Thanks!
I agree with this
I'm with Christefano that a cohesive identity is essential; however, I also agree that a logo contest is not the best way to go. There's a worldwide effort within the professional design community against logo contests and other forms of spec work (see http://nospec.com for reference), and engaging in a logo contest may only serve to alienate the very people we're trying to attract.
Christefano, I'm working on the mission/content for next year's camp in Boston, and i'd love to set up a Skype chat to learn more about what you're doing in LA. Do you have time in early August?
Dani Nordin :: the zen kitchen
http://tzk-design.com
http://twitter.com/danigrrl
http://daninordin.com
Yes please!
I totally agree that a consistent brand/identity would help Drupal Design camps. Aside from the negative implications of a contest, I also worry about the quality of work that will come out of it. Professionals rarely have time to enter this type of contest. Is there any budget for hiring someone to develop an identity?
Honestly, I'm not even sure we would need anything too complex, just something that supports whatever style each camp is using for their marketing. Future Insights (http://www.futureinsights.com/) does a decent job of branding their different conferences (less so with current versions). Build also does a good job of taking their brand in a new direction each year (http://2011.buildconf.com and http://2012.buildconf.com).
Thanks for bringing this up. I think this is one element that is key to the success of Drupal Design Camps.
Ken Woodworth
Art Director
Aten Design Group
http://twitter.com/kenwoodworth
Ken, Great resources; thanks!
Ken,
Great resources; thanks! I'm working on putting together a branding committee for next year's camp. Would you be interested in getting involved? Feel free to contact me privately to discuss.
NOTE: this invite is also open to anyone reading this who wants to be part of the committee this year. I plan on keeping people up to date on our progress.
Dani Nordin :: the zen kitchen
http://tzk-design.com
http://twitter.com/danigrrl
http://daninordin.com
Drupal Groups Boston: Design 4 Drupal logo contest?
I'd advocate that there be a little D4D icon that incorporates the Drupal Drop character.
But I really like the idea of the design motif changing every year. Others do this - like the Sundance Film Festival - and MIT's home page changes every single day; it's simple but brilliant.
It signifies change and creativity; and constant change drives interest.
However, I do think there should be a single main landing page for D4D Boston:
http://boston.design4drupal.org/
and each new year as a new path under the D4D Boston URL:
http://boston.design4drupal.org/2010
http://boston.design4drupal.org/2011
http://boston.design4drupal.org/2012
http://boston.design4drupal.org/2013
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D4D sites
Agree with invokatron - 1 site for all the boston camps as subfolders not subdomains
I agree with the idea of
I agree with the idea of doing the site as a multi-site option. However, we need development resources to make it happen. Anyone want to step into the website committee who can handle the development aspects of the site?
Dani Nordin :: the zen kitchen
http://tzk-design.com
http://twitter.com/danigrrl
http://daninordin.com
This is what we're doing now
This is what we're doing now with the Drupal Design Camp LA site, too:
http://ddcla.org/2011
http://ddcla.org/2012
It's better for us in terms of SEO and the number of SSL certificates we need.
We're not sure which platform we're using this year (Drupal 6? Drupal 7? COD? DrupalCon Denver codebase?) but I'd be happy to coordinate with you, danigrrl, to reduce work for both teams with the idea of having DDCLA 2012 and D4DBoston 2013 be on the same platform.
That would be great,
That would be great, Christefano. The only thing we know right now is that we want to wait until COD comes out in D7, which should be later this fall. We are hoping to get the site launched by March of 2013, to give people plenty of time to post sessions, etc.
Drop me a line through the contact form and we'll talk.
Dani Nordin :: the zen kitchen
http://tzk-design.com
http://twitter.com/danigrrl
http://daninordin.com
I guess there already is a
I guess there already is a D4D logo...
http://www.advancinginsights.com/filesa/drupal-design.png
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twitter: @invokatron
That's not an official logo.
That's not an official logo. It's the design for the Camp's site two years ago.
Dani Nordin :: the zen kitchen
http://tzk-design.com
http://twitter.com/danigrrl
http://daninordin.com
Another good example
I'm a long admirer of http://www.pecha-kucha.org/ I like how they carry brand and have a useful main site to connects their meetups all over the world.
www.macpheedesign.com
Camp Kit in the works, includes CI package
Edit: This is in reply to Ken Woodworth
Hey, first off, kudos for your work! Love it. I always seek out your DrupalCon notbooks.
I am working with a few others on a Drupal Camp Kit, which includes a COD site template and matching, full CI (badges, banners, signage, etc.): http://munich2012.drupal.org/program/sessions/plan-and-run-drupal-camp-s...
The site template and CI is based on the one used for http://drupalcamp.fi and http://drupalcamp.ee.
One of the hopes regarding this kit is that it will provide recognizable branding AND a profrssional looking site and materials template for groups of non-designers having a go at these events ;-)
When the "seed material" and 0.1 version of the kit is ready, I will be turning it into some kind of proper Drupal project for us all to collaborate and iterate one!
That's great Jam!
I was thinking that Design for Drupal would benefit from a kit too. I guess it wouldn't be very different from what you are working on though :)
www.macpheedesign.com
Sub Kits
I am talking with some folks (albeit, a bit prematurely) about making a Business Summit flavor of the kit.
I think there will be room for variations to cover code sprints, and other event types, too ... over time!
The initial thing is proving very challenging, so I am looking forward to getting it out into the community space where we can pool our efforts!
Cheers,
I'd also love to see what
I'd also love to see what you're working on and see how it might fit in with our event. What. We're sdiscussing now is more the spirit of the event than logistics, but streamlining the logistics is a great idea.
Dani Nordin :: the zen kitchen
http://tzk-design.com
http://twitter.com/danigrrl
http://daninordin.com
Thanks everyone foe your comments, please continue conversation.
As Dani said, we (D4D Boston 2013) are working on starting a branding committee along with mission statement for next year's camp. Please let her know if you want to be a part.
As far as domains, that will be another conversation that has to do with hosting, COD install, site launch time, and the purpose for the main site.
invokatron, the drupalicon with the beret/hat was used as an D4D Boston camp avatar in 2010, and seems to work going forward as an avatar on twitter, etc. Artist/Drupalist. We just need to remove the colors/background that are tied to 2010 brand. We have the vector version.
www.macpheedesign.com
Drupal Groups Boston: Design 4 Drupal logo contest?
Excellent! Vector is even better - it could be wall-sized.
And I totally agree - I'd opt for just the drop with the beret.
Maybe we can name the little imp "Drop 'o the Hat". ;)
Anyhoo, I'd vote for that being the generic D4D icon (globally!)
and each year's Boston D4D design motif changing.
BTW - the D4D Boston sites seem to be down...
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twitter: @invokatron
Drupal Groups Boston: Design 4 Drupal logo contest?
Although - I'd change the color of the beret to bright red, and change the shape a bit (flatten one side) to make it look more like a beret and less like a blue acorn.
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I have to be honest, I don't
I have to be honest, I don't like the image as a logo. It represents the myth of designer as a flighty artist, and dismisses the problem-solving aspects of what designers bring to the table. Additionally, the audience for the camp isn't just designers, but themers as well, which are ignored by this mark.
We're going to have multiple discussions about the mission and brand of the camp going forward, but i'd like to move the conversation away from this image as the starting point for a logomark.
Dani Nordin :: the zen kitchen
http://tzk-design.com
http://twitter.com/danigrrl
http://daninordin.com
Drupal Groups Boston: Design 4 Drupal logo contest?
Well, not everyone conceptualizes "artist" in a negative way...
I might agree that the beret is an old cliche, but not "flighty". Nonetheless, I'm certainly not keen on that image exactly as is.
However, the primary concept being that there's a global (not just Boston) D4D icon that incorporates the Drupal Drop. Yes?
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twitter: @invokatron
It's definitely something to
It's definitely something to consider in our discussions, but in branding work it's important not to focus on any one mark as a starting point. Will post progress in the group once we get the ball rolling in August.
Dani Nordin :: the zen kitchen
http://tzk-design.com
http://twitter.com/danigrrl
http://daninordin.com
re: D4D logo
You make a very strong point here. I would think the logo/brand project would start with a survey of past attendees, sponsors, etc., so we'd have some cold, hard facts and input to start with.
D4D branding committee
I'd like to be involved with D4D branding, especially that it falls within my two favorite things - branding and drupal.
great! Drop me a line through
great! Drop me a line through the contact form. I'll be kicking things off in early August.
Dani Nordin :: the zen kitchen
http://tzk-design.com
http://twitter.com/danigrrl
http://daninordin.com
Drop with the hat
+1 "I'd opt for just the drop with the beret"
Let's keep the logo simple and leave ourselves room for adding other elements to match the theme of each year's D4D camp.
There's plenty of other work to be done for D4D ;-)
@modulist
Great conversation! I'm glad to start it with lame contest idea
Just to be clear, in early Aug Dani and the D4D Boston 2013 team will be working on mission and brand for the Boston Camp. But this work could certainly be re-purposed for other cities.
www.macpheedesign.com
Designers against logo
Designers against logo contests are just self-important, lazy or gatekeepers fighting hard to keep the status quo. Architects submit work for 'contests' all the time. It doesn't take a genius to throw a few colors together :)
Wow, that's about as ignorant
Wow, that's about as ignorant as it gets when it comes to branding. First of all, real designers are against logo contents because it diminishes the true value and importance of a strong brand identity; has nothing to do with status quo. Secondly, if you think the recipe for a solid brand guideline is "just a few colors", you're already out of the game.
Designers against logo
Architectural design proposals are not the same as finished works, and architectural design competitions are for a likely reward of substantial commissions - real money.
A logo submission is essentially a finished work. So, it'd be asking for a finished work for no money.
Though I could see asking volunteers to submit ideas, rather than logos. I'd imagine that would be less offensive; folks would have the option of forwarding a complete work, or not.
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twitter: @invokatron
While I appreciate your
While I appreciate your feedback, it shows an immense ignorance of design as a visual communication process, and it is also irrelevant to the discussion we are currently having, which is about the broader Design for Drupal brand and mission, as well as the role of designers within the Drupal community.
If you have something respectful to say that can add to the conversation, we're glad to hear it. However, if you've come here to insult the people who are participating in a conversation meant to solve a problem, please take your comments elsewhere.
Dani Nordin :: the zen kitchen
http://tzk-design.com
http://twitter.com/danigrrl
http://daninordin.com
So to you, visual
So to you, visual communication is a hard task? Like writing a friend about a new car? I know visual communication back and forth. It's not hard or complex. Like talking to person on a forum. Maybe you should find another line of work if you find design soul searching...
Moreover, if you're NOW talking about the broader Drupal brand/mission you not talking about design anymore. You're talking about psychology :)
Visual Communication and
Visual Communication and branding are both intrinsically linked to psychology, and have been since the beginning of the field (way back before either of us were born). It saddens me that you don't recognize that, but I've been doing this long enough to recognize that not everyone takes design seriously.
Dani Nordin :: the zen kitchen
http://tzk-design.com
http://twitter.com/danigrrl
http://daninordin.com
Lol, a logo is not deep
Lol, a logo is not deep psychological work, pal. How long do you think Facebook or Google took to create their logo? Branding is additional work. However, a logo is fairly simple. Designers are against contents because it takes away control and a layer of BS.
Funny you should say that.
Funny you should say that. You might be interested in the fact that Marissa Mayer, the gal that was just hired from Google as Yahoo's CEO, did A/B testing on FORTY different shades of blue for the link colors on the SERPs alone.
I'm guessing they put a fair amount of work into their logo. Similarly, the Facebook logo is based on a customized version of Klavika. I don't know how much you know about typography and typographers, but suffice it to say that commissioning a typographer to basically do a custom font for you, even one that has roots in a commercial font, is not a cheap proposition.
I suggest that you consider the DCoC in future postings, and remember that designers are your colleagues, not strictly your competition, and certainly not the enemy. Yes, there are more than a few designers who are prima donnas. The same is true of developers. I've worked with more than a few of those, too.
Marissa Mayer, the 'ga'l with
Marissa Mayer, the 'ga'l with her own PR department in Google lol... I'm sure she did (eyeroll). Moreover, how is testing deep psychological work? Testing is just busybody work. "Oh, this looks better". "does this look better to you jay?"
What do you think it was they
What do you think it was they were testing?
Perhaps one day you'll realize that the only person you're "beating" with these arguments is yourself. Or, maybe you'll just go right on thinking that billion-dollar companies just "slap a few colors around" and therefore that's all anyone should do.
Either way, I'm done here.
They were testing FORTY
They were testing FORTY different shades of blue!! Now let me ask you something, do you think that is DEEP PSYCHOLOGICAL work? Seriously? Tedious work that doesn't require you to actually think or learn. You just show a bunch of color samples to someone interested. Takes all of 30 mins. Big deal.
Printers.
Twelvealpha - if anyone ever fires this at you
I have these different avenues I use when it comes to this. (The polite version is reserved for clients :P)
1) Did they ever own more than one monitor or computer operating system.
2) Are they or have they ever known someone who was colourblind.
3) Do they know what a pantone matching system is.
4) How many different printers & inks are there available to purchase in the past decade.
5) Do they own anything with an HD screen? if so why?
6) Why did they choose a computer monitor with a black surround.
7) Why is the principal colour of their web browser grey?
8) Have they ever modifed their default type rendering size?
9) If they're a coder, what colour is their terminal or drush screen?
10) What colour is the paper they print on?
11) Then nail them with the question, what colour is the 'Key' of their printer.
12) Ask them if they use/used facebook/tweitter/a web browser and when they first complained or thought about it's redesign.
Or simply ask them what the impact of a conservative 1% of 3 billion searches per day over a month might be.
Some people eh?
http://www.alltooeasy.co.uk
@invokatron Have you EVER run
@invokatron
Have you EVER run a logo contest? Logo submissions are like proposals! To get the design just right, you'll be doing a lot talking. Moreover, Architectural designs are 20x more complex than a logo design.
@invokatron: it's clear your
@invokatron: it's clear your here just to troll. Thanks for the contribution. Let's hope next time your contribution can be based on some level of knowledge, experience and/or respect for what it actually takes to "design" anything. There is nothing arbitrary with design.
Just to be clear from context
Just to be clear from context here, I'm assuming this comment was meant shawn360 and not invokatron, who has had many productive things to add to this conversation.
Dani Nordin :: the zen kitchen
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http://twitter.com/danigrrl
http://daninordin.com
Absolutely, apologies to @invokatron
@danigrrl:you are absolutely right; my apologies to @invokatron. My previous comment was directed to @shawn650.
@sgorneau It's fairly obvious
@sgorneau
It's fairly obvious you think of your work 'magical' (vanity) even tho most of it doesn't take much more than 10 mins of serious thought
Like I said before, you're
Like I said before, you're trolling. Have fun and amuse yourself. Your ignorance is shining through, as well as your arrogance.
Absolutely, apologies to @invokatron
No worries. I understood who it was aimed at, and the Troll Splatter was worth weathering for the nice thumbs up from danigrrl. :)
Thanks all...
I hope shawn650 isn't taking feedback personally; a wide field of opinions is a very good thing!
And kudos to alltooeasy. Haven't consumed it all yet, but in skimming I'm glad to see you agree with basing a D4D icon/logo on the Drupal Drop, and you expressed it better than I.
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twitter: @invokatron
light reading on design contests
This string was making my eyes bleed, too, but I did want to thank Invokatron for his cool-headed thoughts which I felt were dead-on.
At the least, conversations like these compel us to sharpen our arguments and defend what we believe in.
Thought leaders in our web world realized long ago that contests and spec work not only create design that misses the mark, contests also create design that can hurt a client or project rather than help. For anyone who thinks contests are a good idea I'd pass along articles such as:
Andy Rutledge - Design Professionalism
http://designprofessionalism.com/distractions-contests-and-awards.php
Zeldman on Spec Work (Good comments too)
http://www.zeldman.com/2007/08/14/dont-design-on-spec/
What are we really talking about here?
I really don't think it's worth debating logo design contests. If we're looking for a "fairly simple" logo we can just buy one from a stock logo site. That would be a lot less effort than running a contest. At least someone would get paid then. This article is related and definitely worth reading if you haven't already: http://weblog.muledesign.com/2010/10/dear_gap_i_have_your_new_logo.php. Also, this video is pretty good: http://vimeo.com/22053820.
I think the important point of all this is that Design For Drupal needs a brand. It has a name, but that's about it. An identity and some guidelines for using it would be a great start. Let's make it happen and move past this logo contest debate.
Ken Woodworth
Art Director
Aten Design Group
http://twitter.com/kenwoodworth
Actually, Ken, I think we're
Actually, Ken, I think we're beyond the point of debating logo contests and into a broader conversation about the brand itself. The comments made by Shawn360 are an interesting distraction, but our focus right now should be on cooling down for a while, and starting the actual research and brainstorming process before we get too deep into how implementation happens.
Dani Nordin :: the zen kitchen
http://tzk-design.com
http://twitter.com/danigrrl
http://daninordin.com
That website you mention
That website you mention above is a great idea for new website!
Tagline: Just don't get a logo, get a brand!
Instead design submissions, you'll get brand proposals from people all over the world!
Seriously, with the internet, you can research just about anything from your home.
My inbox has been abused by this conversation...
My inbox has been abused by this conversation...
So just my 2 cents and I hope this helps to get the ball rolling
Firstly, design has been shown to have a tremendous impact across just about every field of modern society. Its a big confluence of ideas from just about every discipline and spills over, and is spilled over into almost every discipline I can think of.
Now that's done.
A brand is a really vague term. No two people have the same idea of what that is, but for the sake of argument lets say its a collection of marks/statements/visuals that have repetition/recognition and association as their goal and ultimately selling/convincing someone of something.
Q: So what are you trying to brand?
A: Drupal Design Groups.
Q: What happens there?
A: They're meetups where: insert blurb.
Q: What's the benefit of them?
A: People engage with the Drupal community, learn new skills and techniques, job offers are made, and beers are usually consumed, reasonably relaxed as they are informal. Think of the adage "take your work seriously but never take your self too seriously".
So here's your brief:
Drupal Design Camps.
Summary:
• Drupal groups – the principal community centric forum for the drupal community - want to create a brand mark or marks that represent the key values of both the drupal community and the benefits of physically attending Drupal Design Camps.
• The work should be designed for both print and web and a range of devices. Colour, Black and white, transparent and flattened artwork will all be required in various formats detailed later in the brief.
• The print version should include vector based artwork that can be scaled up to produce large scale banners, posters and signage.
• The print version should also be able to be scaled down or have a 'condensed version' of the mark so that it can be produced onto various smaller paraphernalia including name badges, business cards and official signage.
• The print work should include both a Pantone version for high quality print production as well as both CMYK and RGB versions in order to permit smaller Drupal Groups to use this resource without incurring significant printing costs. Consideration should also be made for the production of assets from a range of printers - both hi-res and low-res output and consideration & advice (or better yet) versions produced for both gloss and matt papers and any post print methods that will be used (for instance lamination and printing onto non paper products - such as signage for stands and canvas printing).
• The web based logo should be designed to be able to scale and must include versions that will fit most spaces likely to be encountered on a website. This will include banner adverts (960px+ and 1140+ all the way down to smaller sizes such as mobile phones, tablets, etc.
**The drupal community includes a range of unusual phone users, designing for the iphone/pad/imac will not be sufficient.
• Some consideration should also be given to the dynamic scaling of images in accordance with responsive design as well as image size for mobile icons/images etc.
• To this end the mark should be considered for an array of small sizes and should follow both 72dpi image doctrines as well as versions created for hi res devices at 300dpi.
• A version of the mark should also be created to be encapsulated along with the particular location's name for App based devices. Including but not limited to the Iphone, Android, Ipad and other Tablet devices.
• This mark will be deployed over such a broad range of media and have a varying array of information arranged alongside it (dates, location, descriptions, taglines, etc). It is suggested that you develop a strong and versatile system of marks, logos and identity that can easily be transformed and deployed to a wide variety of media.
• Brand guidelines are required to be produced and be made sufficiently flexible so that the design can be repeated across a range of countries in various languages and locations. To this end it's suggested you look at other successful international brands who's signage is readily localized without loosing the ability to recognize the brand (think airlines, food chains, hotels, etc.)
• Consider the final produced artwork to form part of a kit. This should include mockups and guidelines for print as well as a wide variety of well organized files. Please consider that the final user of these materials may not be as proficient in either web or graphic design as yourself, therefore documentation and help files will also be required or made part of the documents themselves.
• The meetups will also sometimes be sponsored. So consideration and guidelines for this will also be appreciated. Examples of such sponsors can be found online on various meetups and as an example see the Aquia partners page.
• Finally, there is also a requirement to provide a means of distinguishing guests and participants from speakers, organisers, etc. How you do this is up to you.
The Demographic:
• 16 - 60 year olds
• Wide range of employment, from happy dabblers, coders just starting
out to CEOs, CTOs, Recruiters, Graphic Designers, Front and back end designers and wide range of other participants both inside and on the periphery of the Drupal community. Small business owners, newbies, eccentrics, the sleepless and nocturnal through to university/college/school students. Mums, Dads, Geeks & Design Hipsters (said lovingly) and just about everyone else inbetween attend these meetups.
• Whilst the events are billed as "Drupal design camps" the meetups cover a very broad range of topics and consequently should be made to be inclusive of both 'designer types' and 'coder types'.
• That said, since the meetups are design focused - its a great opportunity to show off your skills.
• Ethnicity covers just about everything you could think of, but the mark should be considered to be used internationally, so should not adhear to one particular style.
• Primarily this will be developers who are already active in the drupal community or other developers looking to engage more with the community.
• Worldwide - best guess for annual attendance is somewhere between 100,000 - 300,000+ unique attendees.
Where will the mark be used:
Everything, everywhere see pre-amble. However the largest size will like be a small cinema display/OHP via both HD & SD displays down to emails and small smartphones (including older models).
Art direction:
• The Druplicon (the tear drop shaped drupal mascot) is one point of direction as it is almost universally recognized by members of Drupal community.
• Drupal itself has a background and origin as a word and title created by Dries Buytaert - essentially meaning 'drop' / incremental. This might be an interesting approach.
• Consideration of both the existing color use and brand guidelines laid out by drupal groups should be considered, but not necessarily adhered to. However there are strict guidelines regarding a variety of Drupal assets including the same and some of it's branding that fall under certain brand guidelines, copyright and the rights of affiliation which must be read and understood before commencing this project.
• The design must encapulate the purpose of Drupal Design Camps. Its inclusive approach and the benefits of attendance. This might come in the form of groups, personal progression and community participation.
• A significant part of such meetups is also the ability to 'put name to face' and the blending of the line between the real and virtual.
• Past drupal meetups have seen marriage proposals, some truly aweful jokes, some incredibly funny presentations, technical hickups "lots of it worked fine an hour ago", job offers, product launches, business deals, study and "aha-moments" and a lot of hard work that goes on behind the scenes to keep them running and engage new and current users.
• Typographic use should be considered for both online and offline versions as well as smart phone and multiple operating systems.
This means for print - no lower than 8.5pt (minimum small print size for a lot of EU countries) and probably larger given the demographic.
Typography use must include both web fonts and optionally non-web safe fonts. These may be suggested or included in the templates and designs that you use.
• Examples of previous Drupal events litter the internet - hit google - then get away from the computer and have a think!
Feel free to use/modify this any way you want. Take my copyright! :P
John
http://www.alltooeasy.co.uk
Excellent starting points,
Excellent starting points, John. Thank you for your work on this.
I also agree that this conversation needs to be put off for a bit to save people's inboxes. Thanks to all who contributed.
Dani Nordin :: the zen kitchen
http://tzk-design.com
http://twitter.com/danigrrl
http://daninordin.com
alltooeasy's brief
Thanks to John for getting the ball rolling, indeed!
One item I'd like to underscore is that I think drupal camp websites need exceptional responsive/mobile content strategy and design.
At the event, attendees are on the go and looking for quick info on the next sessions, speaker, room #'s... The fastest, easiest way is to pull out the phone as they're walking around, rather than sitting down to unfold those old-fashion laptops ; )
I agree with this, but again,
I agree with this, but again, we need resources to make it happen. If anyone wants to step up and join the website committee, we're looking to get the site launched by March.
Dani Nordin :: the zen kitchen
http://tzk-design.com
http://twitter.com/danigrrl
http://daninordin.com
Keep at it.
Keep at it. Its something thats come up a lot of times.
I really think Drupal can win out by producing better documentation and support for its design and implementation than other CMS sites do.
Even if its not comprehensive to begin with. It would be amazing to be able to produce a design repository that can be updated and expanded upon.
I think this might go to form the glue that binds the brand together. Just as common module use draws more users/support/testing, so can common design assets.
Primarily because design flattens out to an extent over time as the same optimum solution/s to a design problem emerge and you get repeated design patterns. Its not just web design/drupal/cms s but everywhere.
It also slowly gets better, more efficient and people can make it unique.
90% of our current logos have undergone a lot of gradual development and some great leaps forward. A great example is FEDEX (see if you can see the arrow in it).
The 2012 London Olympics - because like it or not, most people recognize it (what was the Greek Olypic logo?).
Or even DHL's colour scheme - Coca cola's script - Pepsi's blue and red or the Democrats and Republicans - etc. Even younger companies such as Google, Yahoo (yuck but we all know it) AOL, and more. They're versatile and can be put almost anywhere and evolved without destroying the recognition.
I think this is what should be aimed for. Would be great to open source the creative process too. e.g. group moodboards, word associations, colour schemes.
Good luck and ping me anything you want some fresh eyes on.
Remember Alignment, Contrast, Typography, Color, Balance.
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Blah, responsive/mobile and
Blah, responsive/mobile and web design industry will be history in two years with the rise of intelligent agents...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_agent
Why play around with a tiny screen when you can have just what you want with a few voice directions? That's the future!
true!
shawn, good point. There's no doubt that how we're building the web today will change radically as new devices and technology come to market. In the meantime, most are creating sites that accommodate most popular devices owned and used by typical users. Personally, I can't wait to see how gesture driven devices, ia, etc change the whole game once again. I spent some time on the wiki page. Very cool.
Shawn, it's interesting to
Shawn, it's interesting to explore the possibilities/likelihood of future technologies and how those will affect our industry, but I don't think we can simply write-off the responsive/mobile-first movement because of what lies ahead. These devices are in people's pockets now and that affects what we are doing now. Just like the transition from big+stationary+mouse to small+mobile+touch spawned a new way of thinking about context, data architecture, presentation, and interaction... we'll just have to roll with that when the next wave comes.
Sgorneau, this is not
Sgorneau, this is not something happening years from now. It's happening now! What do you think Siri, Evi, or Robin are all about? Do you really want to be playing with yesterdays technology when the market is moving in a completely different direction? Seriously, the responsive/mobile-first movement is kind of waste of time :/ What is really holding back intelligent agents is BIG DATA. Intelligent agents will improve at a exponential rate once the data stores passes the first threshold needed to understand all common english accents and other languages. Then the next threshold is a number of data stores to supply agents with accurate information in mechine readable format (which is what I'm working on). I am the wave :)
Blah, responsive/mobile and
Blah, responsive/mobile and web design industry will be history in two years with the rise of intelligent agents...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_agent
Why play around with a tiny screen when you can have just what you want with a few voice directions? That's the future!
Sorry to add yet another
Sorry to add yet another comment when folks are already complaining about the overwhelming quantity.
Just want to correct any impression that D4D only attracts 16-60 year olds (this in response to alltooeasy's otherwise excellent post) who are interested primarily in the technology of the future (this in response to shawn650's provocations).
I'm older than 60, and very happy to do a good job of reaching my current customers - who use old and new computers as well as smart phones and tablets.
The reason I am interested in technology that "will be history in two years" is to support myself. If I can't keep income coming in for the next 2 years (or however long), the future won't happen for me.
Thanks for all of the well-reasoned posts. Here's to a great, diverse future together!
logo contest
I am guessing from the direction of this thread, that there will not be a logo contest?
No, there won't be. But if
No, there won't be. But if you're interested in being on the branding design committee, drop me a line.
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