Next Meeting
Thursday, August 9th, 6:00pm to 8:00pm
ABI Innovation Hub
33 South Commercial Street ° Manchester, NH 03101
Website: http://www.abihub.org/
Directions: http://himer.us/abihub
1st floor. Take the windy hallways till you see the glass doors.
The conference room is straight through and on the left.
Signup!
Please use the built in sign-up functionality so we know how many people to expect.
Points of Interest
- Harass Michelle & Jake about scheduling a DrupalCampNH Planning meeting.
- Drupal BBQ
Topics/Presentations
We'd like to see everyone come prepared to either pose a question/issue they've ran across in the past month, or something cool/amazing they've discovered in the past month. There are plenty of questions out there, so let's make sure we know what they are so we can get them all answered at this month's meetup!!
Additionally, please use the comments on this event node to suggest topics. If there is a consensus, we will try to have someone prepared to do an informal presentation.
Virtual Meetup!
We will be broadcasting at http://edc.adobeconnect.com/drupalnh
Dinner & Drinks
After each meetup, we depart from the "structured" environment, and continue our discussions over beers and/or food.
The Farm Bar & Grille
http://www.farmbargrille.com/#!__manchester
1181 Elm Street
Manchester, NH 03014
(Located at the cross of Elm and Bridge Street)
Map: http://g.co/maps/uegpa
Parking: Diagonally NorthEast of The Farm
Take Elm Street going North
Turn Right on either Pearl St or Orange St. Follow the loopdy-loops to the the inside of the lot.
Comments
Topic?
How do I answer a question from "management": why use D7 over other CMS'?
Some points for consideration
Damien
People will hate me for this
People will hate me for this within the group but the real truth is it depends on your use-case.
There are perfectly good reasons for just using WordPress instead of Drupal or some other CMS. But those reasons depend on what you need.
I'm going to build a techy blog site pretty soon. And guess what, I'm going to use WordPress. Why? Cause it's nothing more than a blog and out of the box WordPress takes 1/20th the time to setup such a site. It' works - pick the tool you need to get your job done.
However; the eCommerce site I am setting up is 100% Drupal cause nothing else could compare based on my requirements for the project. Let the requirements select you tool.
Brady
@fastglassllc
@derailedonline
I used to build all of my
I used to build all of my sites using WordPress.
And it IS much easier to set up.
The reason that I migrated to Drupal is--although most of the WordPress sites I built did what they needed to do out of the box... inevitably, the client would come around with some request or other to enhance the site. At that point I was frequently frustrated by all the hoops I had to jump through to bang a round peg into a square hole.
So at this point, my preference is to start with Drupal--even though it's harder to set up. Because once it's built, the options for expansion and customization are so much greater.
If the client can convince me that they will never need to add any new function to grow their online presence, then I will consider blasting through a quick WordPress install.
Roger
_________________
Art has gone to the dogs
GoodeGallery.com
Grr typo... I meant "select
Grr typo... I meant "select your tool."
Brady
@fastglassllc
@derailedonline
Beat me to it
Roger - I was just IMing Brady, thinking almost the same thing. Basically, it comes down to knowing your client. For instance, I have a client that has used a WordPress site I designed for him for 5 years. He didn't have a lot of cash up front at the time, but has since grown substantially. The time in between has given him both the acquired knowledge and financial resources to build something better, so we're moving to Drupal (+Omega) in FY2013.
So, know your client - relationships are key, as are setting expectations appropriately for all parties involved.
I agree completely. I guess
I agree completely. I guess my point would be to also educate the client and test their assumptions about what they are going to build. Ask them to look over the horizon to a year-or-five down the line, and consider what their expectations for growth are.
But to do that exercise NOW... Rather than a year or two later, only to discover that what they really need is a Drupal sitye and have to reboot.
If they have their eyes open and consider the potentials, it can be less costly and even less work (long run) to start out on a more robust and flexible platform.
Roger
_________________
Art has gone to the dogs
GoodeGallery.com
The last website I built was
The last website I built was with wordpress, you are right when you say you need to pick the right tool for the particular project. The one thing I did find with wordpress is that is very limiting with sizing photos. But then again you have a module like this one
http://gsrcny1.org/flagallery/gallery#/2
to showcase your photos makes up for it. I have not seen a similar module in Drupal. :(
Mary M.
Migrate
You can always migrate the site later using e.g. Wordpress Migrate.
Drupal Ladder?
Are we going to work through the Drupal Ladder at the start of the meeting?
Oy, not prepared for that yet....
But if you would like to lead it, feel free!!
Michelle Lauer
michellelauer.com
Ladder appears to be D8 centric
There are a lot of D7 and D6 sites & developers out there; along with reasons to stay with each. Is there a reason Drupal Ladder is so D8 centric?
CIGNA race
Note that the annual CIGNA corporate road race is also Thu Aug 9 in the early evening, 6:15 start I believe -- it's likely that getting into that part of Manchester will be very, very difficult -- they have had upwards of 6-8,000 people in the past and traffic and parking will be a problem. I am not sure myself that I will make the meetup (usually I do the race but not this year), but for those going, it will probably be necessary to allow up to an hour ahead of time to get there. You will probably want to avoid exit 5 too if you can, I know it has been really bad in the past the night of the race -- even worse than a Fisher Cats game. :) Anyway hope this helps...
Ouch! Looks like I will not
Ouch! Looks like I will not be making the trip from Portsmouth. See you all at the next one.
We might want to find another
We might want to find another place to meet do to the road race. I googled the race it's going down Elm and looping to Canal. It may just be impossible to get to the meeting tomorrow night.
Mary M.
Parking at ABI
I am not sure how parking at ABI will be. People will park wherever they can and walk up to Veterans Park to get ready for the race, it will be busiest during the hour or so before the race which means basically 5:15-6:15 (and there will be road closures on Elm and Canal though not all the way to Granite since the race turns left off Canal in the vicinity of Merrimack St. I believe). But I think that while during baseball games people avoid parking at ABI because of the signs, there's no baseball game in this case and people may just park wherever they can which would probably include the ABI lot. So you may want to try to get there early (which I know I won't be able to even if I am able to attend). Again -- hope this helps :)
Street closings
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20120809/NEWS07/708099902
Remy Sharp's HTML5 Enabling Script
Hey Damien - I read about your Drupal module that pulls in Remy Sharp's HTML5 Enabling Script - I was wondering, since that point (I think you wrote it last year), has Omega natively addressed HTML5 rendering in older browsers, or is it still common practice to use the module/script as a workaround?
I can't be there tomorrow night, in person or virtually unfortunately - but if you're attending, can you address it? I'm hoping Michelle/Jake hits "record" during the meeting (hint, hint). Otherwise I'll hit you up offline with questions (if that's okay).
I think Omega does, IIRC I
I think Omega does, IIRC I built that tiny module for use with another theme.
Hey everyone, I got a topic
Hey everyone,
I got a topic for tonight if anyone is interested. It's a little more on the in-the-weeds and not sure if it would bore the crap out of people.
I been messing around with MongoDB as a cache for Drupal. I've had both good and bad things happen with it.
Brady
@fastglassllc
@derailedonline
I've been having some RSODs
I've been having some RSODs (Red Screens of Death, haha) running MongoDB. Maybe we could make this a segway into talking about debugging Drupal problem with stuff like Devel/Kromo
Brady
@fastglassllc
@derailedonline
I'm going to pass
Between the traffic and the threat of rain (I'd be on my motorcycle since we're down to just one car and Tom needs it because it's our night to visit my Mom) I'm going to pass for tonight. Bummer.
How about meeting at Panera
How about meeting at Panera Bread in Bedford?? I know it's short notice but with the race and all it maybe a good alternative, They have free wifi we could just put some tables together.
http://biz.alllocal.com/b/panera-bread/bedford/nh/sandwiches/73552
Mary M.
Panera's wifi is horrible!
So, I don't think they are a good option.. And we cannot reschedule for at the ABI space since we have a standing reservation. We'll just have to make the best of it.
Michelle Lauer
michellelauer.com
Tonight
I think I'll skip this meeting so I don't have to deal with the traffic and the runners, not that I mind runners:) It won't be easy getting into Manchester from the highway tonight. See ya soon, Sheryl
Yup. I am out as well. My
Yup. I am out as well. My wife is coming back from Bedford, NH right now and already reporting traffic problems on Rt3. Manchester is a sea of yellow and red on google's traffic maps already.
Brady
@fastglassllc
@derailedonline
I'm going to pass as well,
I'm going to pass as well, really don't want to deal with the traffic.
Mary M.
Damn I'm glad I didn't go.
Damn I'm glad I didn't go. Traffic is backed all the way up into Nashua on Rt3 from north of Merrimack to like exit 5!
Brady
@fastglassllc
@derailedonline