This might be a dumb question, but I'm somewhat new to the whole server hosting game. But how would an Aegir setup on a server work alongside a WHM/cPanel or Plesk environment. Seeing as WHM/cPanel and whatnot have a lot of control over DNS issues, databases etc etc.
The reason I ask is that I have a dedicated server that runs my clients sites. Some are Drupal, some are Wordpress, others are coded from scratch. I want to move all of my current and future Drupal sites to an Aegir system for easy updating, migrating, installing etc, but I obviously need to keep using WHM/cPanel for my non Drupal sites. Can these two systems co-exist? If I created a site in Aegir, would it show up in the cPanel? Or would the two systems just operate separately from each other, with Drupal Aegir sites only showing up in Aegir, and the other sites in cPanel etc. Since Aegir doesn't handle e-mail, could I setup email for a domain in cPanel, but have Aegir run the actual site and database?
Sorry if these are totally newbie questions. I'm a newbie ;)
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From what I've heard only
From what I've heard only Webmin works well with Aegir. That's what I'm using. Most other panels take control of the server and can mess up Aegir's stuff. Webmin won't touch anything else, so it can coexist. So you might want to check that out.
You are running Webmin on Ubuntu 10.4?
I've read that there are problems with Ubuntu 10.4. Is that right? What's your experience?
Regards,
Luigi
It works w/o any issues:
It works w/o any issues: Webmin 1.510 on Ubuntu Linux 10.04.1.
cd /var/optecho "deb http://download.webmin.com/download/repository sarge contrib" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
wget http://software.virtualmin.com/lib/RPM-GPG-KEY-webmin
apt-key add RPM-GPG-KEY-webmin
apt-get update
apt-get -y install webmin libxml-simple-perl libcrypt-ssleay-perl unzip zip
aegir/virtualmin
thanks for this very helpful, non shell savvy users can add non drupal sites very easily without knowing the command line
One would suspect Aegir will have this functionality in the future?
I guess the biggest thing is
I guess the biggest thing is email. Since Aegir doesn't do email right now I would need to be able to give clients email for their domain that was running a Aegir/Drupal site. I guess I can just install a stand alone email server solution, but a cPanel or equivalent makes it so much easier.
I am currently going with (mt) and their (dv) setup, and I can just have them preinstall Plesk, so that is the one in particular that I am concerned with running alongside Aegir.
If I can't do Plesk, I guess I would need something to manage email, and also give me the ability to host or make the occasional non Drupal site.
Virtualmin will do that all
Virtualmin will do that all for you and can coexist with Aegir.
You can manage dns, e-mail accounts etc.
Even their website is powered by Drupal =)
Google App for domains
Hi.
I think that you better go for Gmail and do SMTP relay on the vps. Let others work for you while keeping your vps slim.
Well, the easiest thing I've
Well, the easiest thing I've found is using Google Apps. It takes the load off of your server, is free for up to 25 users, and gives them the gmail interface as well as Google Apps Calendar, Docs, etc.
Or use Webmin with Virtualmin to create email accounts (I'm pretty sure it can do this, but like I said I'm not using this feature). From their site:
"Virtualmin supports the creation and management of Apache virtual hosts, BIND DNS domains, MySQL databases, and mailboxes and aliases with Sendmail or Postfix"
Stick to what you know and outsource mail
Soon aegir will be a complete server control panel for Drupal hosting. In the mean time go with Webmin or Virtualmin.
Unless you have a lot of experience managing mail servers, I'd outsource it to someone who knows more about it. There are 2 options I'd consider, one is Google Apps for Domains, 50 mailboxes with webmail, POP3, IMAP and huge quota, or you could look at one of the hosted Zimbra providers. Zimbra is a java based replacement for Exchange, there is even an open source version. I run my own Zimbra servers and love it.
For many businesses these days rely on rock solid mail. Give them someone else to blame when it goes pear shaped.
google apps
@skwashd I'd love to get rid of email. But this year, i've learned linux, drush, aegir, bind, git and virtualbox and i still have to figure out virtualmin, so i'm not looking to get to know zimbra for now.
Gmail I know. Do you know how much the pass on is roughly per domain? Google say on their site that it costs €40 per user. Obviously I would rather pay a flat fee per the domain.
i've never paid a cent for gmail hosting
it's free.
Thay have made it harder to
Thay have made it harder to find and sign up for the standard (free) version and direct you to Google Apps for business (paid for) version. Link to standard version is: http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/group/index.html
Thanks for the link.
Thanks for the link.
I had thought that there was a free version with a limited mailbox count(<50), but couldn't find it last time I searched
Google Apps for Domains is free ... to a point
For companies you get 50 mailboxes for free. For not for profits you get double that. Generally I find if an organisation needs more than 50 mailboxes they have the budget to pay a sys admin to manage a mail server for them too.
what skwashd said
you are orders of magnitude more likely to get woken up by someone in a panic at 3am because they cant get their email.
and that's not even taking into account all the spam problems and all the user support issues (ie: this is how you configure your outlook).
I put hosting email firmly in my own SEP field (someone else's problem)
+1 outsource email to Google Apps
It's free and works.
SEP field
Thanks guys. So I've discussed it and my mailserver is almost on its way out, but... One of the people i'm making sites for gets creeped out by the adsense stuff. It's why she's still waiting for her pst-files (or my server) to die. She'd like to be able to pretend that her business mail is private. :-)
So for that, i might point her to GAFYD's premier version. Hence my question, but what I cannot deduce from the trial version is if that would still leave her multiple mailboxes (the free version allows for 50) or just one.
Pricing
With the "premium" version you pay per mailbox, but you can have unlimited aliases. If price is an issue, just get one email address and use aliases.
Also point out to your client, that now it will just be a google bot reading her mail, instead of some bored sysadmin.
and be sure to point out
that unlike a bored sysadmin, the google bot actually does useful things like fairly effectively filter out spam
Much as I appreciate the google bot
of all bots (sorry Bender, sorry Lullabots) Druplicon will always be my favourite. The aliases and the catch-all solve the support@domain and sales@domain ishes, so that wraps it up. I already look forward to never touching a mail server again ever and to countless nights of uninterrupted sleep. :-)
tell her to use firefox +
tell her to use firefox + Adblock Plus
Thanks for all of the
Thanks for all of the responses! I like the idea of just outsourcing to Google, I think that will work just fine for all of my clients. The only thing left over are my client sites who are not Drupal. Since most of them are small, and none of them really care what is running their site, I'm just going to port them over to Drupal. A little bit of work now will go a long ways to streamline my operation.
It looks like I'll install Virtualmin for the off chance that a client will insist on something other then Drupal. Doesn't happen hardly at all, but it has once in a Blue Moon. thank you for all the help. I'd never even heard of Virtualmin before.
Move them to cheap shared hosting
For your small clients who don't care what they run on, but them on Dreamhost or one of the other cheap shared hosting providers. All of my static html clients are dreamhost. Its cheap and I can give them FTP access without having to worry about the implications.
Best way to install Aegir and Virtualmin
Hi,
What is the best way/process to install both Aegir BARRACUDA/OCTOPUS and Virtualmin on the same Ubuntu 8.04 Server, to get the best of Aegir and Virtualmin ?
As i like the Aegir BARRACUDA/OCTOPUS with Nginx Install script, i am wandering how to install virtualmin the best way aside of them.
i tried to install virtualmin as a webmin module, but i am not satisfied of it. Or i missed some thing.
Any advice welcome.
Thanks
aegir
topic was already covered
@chipway-drupal
You wrote "i tried to install virtualmin as a webmin module, but i am not satisfied of it". What do you mean? What features you expect and consider as missing?
Virtualmin project provides its own install script, but it installs by default full LAMP environment and can conflict with the LXMP environment created by Barracuda, while Webmin is 100% safe to install and use.
It could be possible to run Virtualmin installer and then disable Apache, Postgres etc, but why not just extend the safe Webmin install instead? You have Postfix already installed, so just add Dovecot and Bind when you want to add DNS and full E-mail service, then install Webmin and it will add required modules for you. Then add Virtualmin as a module to get better interface to manage E-mail etc.
Didn'd found it
Sorry,
but i didn't found it. Do you have an URL plz ?
Thanks
@omega8cc
So i got most of the possible on an BARRACUDA/OCTOPUS install.
But i prefered to check it with people who knows.
Thank you very much.
Are there any news about
Just realized that the group is closed.
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