Pacific Northwest Drupal Summit 2011

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metaltoad's picture

Hi everyone,

Is it too early to start taking about PNW Drupal Summit 2011? I've heard that Portland is the next city up in the rotation...

Joaquin

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i've never been to Portland

mackh's picture

but if y'all host a summit, I'll be there for sure! Portland +1

Never too early to start talking!

bonobo's picture

Assuming Portland is next up, we should get started with planning sooner rather than later.

It would also be a good idea to make sure that we either rolled the DrupalCamp PDX planning into this, or schedule these two events far enough apart so they aren't in conflict.

Maybe a discussion for the next DUG?

Given past experience, I'd

grantkruger's picture

Given past experience, I'd agree, the sooner the better. Also, I'd say let's skip any DrupalCampPDX and just concentrate on this. Plus we should take the other groups up on their offers of assistance and knowledge-sharing.

Sala kahle,
Grant

I'd suggest, for your own

GregoryHeller's picture

I'd suggest, for your own sanity, to just combine the two events for 2011, if anything maybe just do a one day event that is uber local. That is what we did in seattle last year, and we plan on doing a one day event on October 23rd this year that is really just for local folks to get together and hack on things.

For those who are going to make up the organizing committee, don't hesitate to ask us in seattle, and I am sure in vancouver, will be happy to help transfer knowledge and experience.

The site codebase

mackh's picture

The site codebase was re factored this year to allow for an easy creation of next years schedule. We can provide some hints on that once its time. Also CanTrust Hosting Co-operative will continue to donate the hosting infrastructure for next year as well.

Codebase is in the Affinity Bridge unfuddle, so I'll add accounts for whomever takes over for 2011.

-M

Great to hear some PDX folks

arianek's picture

Great to hear some PDX folks already interested in helping organize next year! Like Gregory said, if you need any info or advice from the Vancouver/Seattle organizers, just let us know - once we have some contact email addresses, we can share out some GDocs that have budget, sponsorship, email templates and other info.

Willing to help

sarah_p's picture

I'm up for helping to bring the Northwest Summit to Portland, and I agree we should start planning ASAP!

I'm also in to help. With

skjalf's picture

I'm also in to help. With the support, brains, and data of the Vancouver and Seattle folks and what we learned with putting on DCPDX09 I think we're in a good place to begin getting ready to host the Summit... and I wholeheartedly agree that we should skip having a DrupalCamp next year and focus on the Summit (after all, we've got Brewpal :D).

Perhaps we can spend a few minutes on this at the next UG meeting?

Portland +1 (probably at

mike503's picture

Portland +1

(probably at least +10 with coworkers involved!)

Is there a calendar of Portland events? I know there's some 2nd Tuesday of the month thing. Not sure of the easiest way to see all Drupal-related events in PDX.

Drupal meetups.

grantkruger's picture

We have 2 monthly meetings, 2nd Wednesday of the month at 6pm and 4th Tuesday of each month at 5pm. However, it's not just Drupal events that we should try not to conflict with, but any tech event likely to draw people away. Most other PDX tech events can be found here: http://calagator.org/

Does anyone know what the attendance at this just-completed PNW Drupal Summit was?

Sala kahle,
Grant

attendance

vj_pdx's picture

Seattle had about 230 attendees; Vancouver had about 260. (Those are numbers that came up in the PNW Drupal Summit BOF yesterday.)

I'm in. I'm ready to make this happen.

could be more

metaltoad's picture

The 260 was a limit from the venue selected. I think we could shoot for more if we wanted to. Does anyone know about the website? Does that get reused from year-to-year?

A brain dump from the PNWDS BOF

vj_pdx's picture

Those of us who were at the PNWDS BOF talked about numbers, some. Definitely, the summit could become bigger, but what I was hearing was that it's better to have a full conference with full rooms rather than something that feels half empty. And obviously, a larger conference requires more volunteers at the event.

The website is hosted currently in Vancouver, and yes, I think the plan is to continue to use it. Anne and Phil were talking about having created a module (?) for registration that would save us a lot of heartache that didn't get finished in time for Vancouver to use it (It basically allows someone to buy a single or multiple tickets and provide a name for each ticket).

We got lots of pledges of support from Seattle and Vancouver organizers. (That said, I didn't recognize everyone, but it included Anne, Katy and Phil from Vancouver/Surrey, Greg/hey rocker, Jared, someone from Corvallis, Amy and I).

We talked about the amount of people actually on the committee (in Seattle there were 5, and they met every week for 2 months; Vancouver had a core of about 12 people).

A timeline we talked about was making the city decision by xmas, announcing venue and date by end of february (with that info included on the website). I know we talked about session vetting and registration, but I don't recall any consensus about those areas. Amy did a lot of the talking on this, so it would be good to get her into the conversation.

Need to update site with schedule

wonder95's picture

A couple things need to be improved on the website in regards to sessions:

  1. Once sessions are selected and the schedule confirmed, only the selected sessions should be displayed, and as a conference schedule. With the Vancouver site, the only way you could see the schedule was by looking at the PDF. Will all the Drupalcon sites, you could easily see what the schedule was.
  2. There needs to be a field for uploading files - such as presentation slides - on the sessions afterwards so people who are interested can download/view them at their leisure. I had requests to upload my slides, but had no place to do it on the PNWDS site.

I sent in a request to have those added to the Vancouver site and was told they would be considered, but they definitely need to be added.

The osbridge website had all

mike503's picture

The osbridge website had all of this and an export to calendar feature that worked great. Oh - and you could add sessions to your favorites list and export only those.

Some of the room numbers were off iirc by the time the event was going on. But overall it was printed on a small brochure when we got there, the website was clean and easy to use... Iirc it also had the ability to post comments and your own session notes, and a way for presenters to link to their content.

Only bad thing for Drupal is that it wasn't in Drupal :) I think it was a highly beefed up wordpress oddly enough!

Agreed on both counts

vj_pdx's picture

Glad you mentioned this Steve. I suspect that these aspects were just overlooked in the crush of things, but they certainly need to happen.

First, we need to get your slides online!!

Also, the real name/nickname switcheroo was annoying: as someone who's pretty shy, I know the nickname, but I don't know folks' real names generally. The website listed people by their nicknames, the PDF listed folks real names...

On my list of updates/changes:
- how did the site look on mobile devices? Could we improve that?
- It would be hot to create a PDF booklet as a program: you could have the grid of what's happening when, but also a bullet description, with the expectation that people would print that out at home.
- OSB 2010 had a great program that they gave out at the event. It fit in the name tag. I'd love to see something similar.

Yep, there's a lot of room

arianek's picture

Yep, there's a lot of room for improvement on the site.

I just hacked together a file upload field on the sessions, you should be able to add your slides now (it's quite slow, so make sure you let the whole upload finish, and then go through it's full upload when you save the node). Let me know if you have any trouble. I'll let the team know I've modified this already.

Can't upload Keynote slides

wonder95's picture

I can't upload my slides since they are in a Keynote file. Can you allow that format in the field?

thanks.

yep added .key and .zip

arianek's picture

yep added .key and .zip

I think that 250 is a good

GregoryHeller's picture

I think that 250 is a good size in that it is not overwhelming, and you can have high quality interactions with many people. When you get larger, having those interactions becomes harder, other logistics also become more difficult -- like room size, and venue size.

in seattle we actually had less than 200, more like 160 IIR (based on the donut order).

2009 Summit Attendance

jdwalling's picture

About 210 people registered to attend the 2009 Summit in Seattle. 155 people signed in for either Saturday or Sunday or for both days. I suspect several people did not sign in, based on the doughnut count ;-). Because the event was free, we knew there would be a significant number of no shows. Charging a fee assures a more accurate count.

Possible Venue

sarah_p's picture

The Portland Art Museum might work for an event in the 300ish range, perhaps some OSBridge volunteers could give us some insight on how well it did or did not do from an organizers POV?

Just re: #'s we had 200 paid

arianek's picture

Just re: #'s we had 200 paid tickets, venue capacity was 240 (officially). We sold out close to 2 weeks ahead (mostly locals who waited too long), and I'm pretty confident we could have sold 300 paid tickets without too much trouble.

Also, re: the website hosting, we've got an SVN repo hosted on our Affinity Bridge Unfuddle, which we're happy to keep up in case you want to use it next year, and the CanTrust Hosting Co-op has kindly committed free (good stable, backed up, etc.) hosting for the indefinite future. If/when someone is ready for the creds for all this, please ping me and I'll get you hooked up.

Excited to see all the support for this, w00t!

OS Bridge

mike503's picture

Eric Day (eday@oddments.org) helped organize this year's OS Bridge and I thought it was very well run, smooth, and a lot better than even OSCON (which is too commercialized and over-sensationalized...) I got as much out of OS Bridge than I did from OSCON for 1/6th the cost (if not more)

Selena Deckelmann is also very involved in many conferences in the area, including OS Bridge 2009 and OS Bridge 2010. I've heard she's quite savvy with venues and knows all the aspects of organizing.

I'd be game to donate too. Best if a not-for-profit group like Technocation could back it; then it would be 501(c)(3) as well :)

PS: Calagator is neat except it's Google Calendar integration seems borked right now.

Selena

vosechu's picture

Selena is amazing, I don't know if she'd be interested in helping us organize this but if we need organizers I hope we can get her involved.

Flagging this.

amye's picture

So I have to flag this: This is a Drupal event. This specifically suggests getting folks who have no involvement in Drupal or the PNW overall Drupal community involved. While I would be all for that, past experience has shown me that they have no interest in doing so. Correct me if I'm wrong, general community members.

Again, the Open Source Bridge community is dramatically different from the Drupal community. A better way to increase cross-pollination is to offer to help with OpenSourceBridge, whose dates have just been announced for June of next year.

I would recommend looking how

GregoryHeller's picture

I would recommend looking how some of the features of the conference organizing distribution could be added in to the existing drupalsummit site. last year for seattle we did get a pretty sweet schedule working that shows the various rooms and what was in them, it was based on some views and some other fields and maybe a nodequeue or two, i can't remember.

Ideally we would not reinvent the wheel. Or I should say, Portland, you should not reinvent the wheel. Look to the C.O.D. and see how you can get that integrated.

Also, i strongly strongly strongly recommend keeping all content and users from this and last year in... ie keep the database

Agreed. We had somewhat

arianek's picture

Agreed. We had somewhat heated discussions about whether to maintain the db, but it is really valuable having all of the previous attendees (or interested parties) info in the site, as well as tracking attendance across years, etc.

I do believe heyrocker built a great scheduling module, but seems it wasn't used (maybe for lack of time). Definitely improvements to be made (and other cruft to get rid of - a few of us Affinity Bridgers spent some time trying to decruft bits of remnants from the old DrupalCamp LA base before handing it over to NorthStudio but there are still areas that need work).

If anyone needs info on what was done, again, don't hesitate to ask.

Great to hear this enthusiasm...

RockSoup's picture

At the summit in Vancouver we had a chance to gather representatives from the organizers for the PNW Summit last year in Seattle and this year in Vancouver and some people from Portland as well.

We discussed many of the subjects that have been raised here in this thread. Notes were taken during this meeting and I expect they will be brought before the group at an upcoming DUG meeting.

I am super excited to hear the Portland community showing so much support for the event!

I think that I can speak for the Seattle peeps and that you will find the Van folks would probably agree too in saying that although it is a lot of work to produce the summit one of the things that we both realized after the event was finished was that our local community was stronger for it.

I look forward to hearing more news about the 2011 Summit- I know I had a blast last weekend and look forward to the event next year.

-jared

Those notes

skjalf's picture

@RockSoup @arianek - Any chance we could get our hands on the notes taken at the Seattle and Vancouver PNWDS meeting of minds? :)

Awesome events both this year

eric_sea's picture

Awesome events both this year and last. Happy to help.

larger w/ more outreach

metaltoad's picture

I would like to see a larger summit if possible. I think with a larger summit it would be possible to do more outreach, raise awareness and be more inclusive. Ultimately it would be great to use the summit to raise the profile of Drupal as a the CMS of choice.

Do you guys think it would be possble/good to have a 300, 400 or even 500 person target?

In most cases the logistics

GregoryHeller's picture

In most cases the logistics required when you go much above 250 increase kind of exponentially, and the cost of a venue usually does too.

One of the intentions around the creation of the summit last year in Seattle was that it was an event geared toward people using drupal professionally. And that it was a regional event that is more accessible to many than traveling across the country or the ocean to a DrupalCon.

While I can appreciate the desire to "raise the profile of drupal as a the CMS of choice" IMO that is the job of DrupalCon more than DrupalSummit. And when you have people at all levels, from total noob, to seasoned professional, the content and context of the event changes.

So FWIW my vote would be for a DrupalSummit no larger than 250, and geared towards Drupal Professionals.

+1 for intimate

seanberto's picture

I agree with Gregory's assessment of the different intentions of a Con verses a Summit, and vote for a smaller event <=250. And I say thia as one of the lazy devs that did miss the cutoff for Vancouver this year.

There are many other avenues for exciting potential clients re: Drupal. There are fewer such options for bringing the dev community together. (Not that these are mutually exclusive goals - but they do compete.)

That said, I don't feel all that strongly about the point. We'll rock out regardless.

Cheers,
Sean

wow

grendzy's picture

Wow - awesome to see so much excitement about 2011. I'm definitely in for helping organize a Portland summit.

The cod distribution mentioned above is at http://drupal.org/project/cod - and there's also the LA Camp package from 2009 which we used for Drupal Camp PDX last year ( http://drupal.org/node/519100 ). I'm not sure how much overlap there is between these 2 distributions.

Also, for reference our site http://drupalpdx.org/ is currently on a slicehost, supported by shomeya.com I believe. (Thanks Mike and Sarah!!)

Some growth in raw numbers makes sense to me, but I'm even more interested in brainstorming ways to increase cross-pollination with the world outside the Drupal community.

Another vote for larger + outreach

Brian Jamison's picture

I'd also like to see a larger summit. 300-400 sounds like a good target.

I and several of us at OpenSourcery are looking forward to helping out.

How about PSU for a venue? They're central, on the streetcar, heavy users of Drupal, and have a lot of (potentially free/low-cost) space to meet.

Also, I'm very interested in seeing the Summit reach out to a broader group of Drupal users. What do people think about running a newbie/user track for all the content managers out there?

Brian Jamison
CEO
OpenSourcery, LLC
Acquia Enterprise Partner
http://opensourcery.com

I think beginner sessions are needed

grantkruger's picture

I strongly agree that we need to cater for newbies. At the DrupalCamp I was a big part of running our group elected to aim at non-newbies, but despite clearly publicizing this fact, dozens of newbies turned up anyway, maybe 40% of the attendees. I've seen this pattern repeated continually at Drupal events in the region and it is a bit absurd. There is a desperate shortage of Drupal developers and yet the tech community all too often avoids doing the "boring" newbie stuff, even though it's kinda vital. I really think we should embrace newbies and I'd like to help with this.

I'm also in favor of the event being as big as it needs to be, but it's not that simple. My own past experience is, if you can find the right venue, the organizational work is not much different between 150 and 300, but there is always more work with more people, more cleanup, more carrying, etc. So, there are some huge caveats. The venue is key, as it's much easier to find cheap/free smaller venues and your costs go up for bigger spaces. Whatever venue we can find will most likely force a cap on attendance. More importantly, a 100-person event has challenged our group in the past. To make this happen we're really going to need a lot of members of the community to step forward and volunteer, in any capacity. I'm delighted that OpenSourcery again plan to be involved, but we'll need many other volunteers. The last two PDX DrupalCamps have seen small groups of volunteers get rather burned out and that will not do us any good going forward.

At the DrupalCamp I was involved with we had about 50 group members come to the first meeting, but only a handful ended up doing all the work. We need to translate that initial enthusiasm into volunteering and if you volunteer you have to be committed to it. It's well worth the effort and it has immense value to the community. Everything in Drupalland is volunteer run, including DrupalCamps. My own view is that volunteering to help with a DrupalCamp is at least as important as contributing code. Growing community and the skills in that community are the building blocks for everything else.

I'd also like to see us develop a self-selecting (i.e. volunteers) floating pool of volunteers from the region. There's no reason why we should host independent summits in different cities every year and then just offer to share our knowledge every 3 years or so. In reality this ends up happening much less often than you'd hope and in many cases things get lost in the signal. Much of the work can be done remotely. Every traveling all-volunteer-run conference I know has a floating pool of volunteers that help the event on an ongoing basis. The local folks drive things and the remote folks help wherever feasible. This means that the regions event-running knowledge will grow faster and more effectively, which is good just for the summit, but will also be a big help for bringing a DrupalCon to the region, as many hereabouts want to do.

Sala kahle,
Grant

We have to take care of the newbs

Brian Jamison's picture

Grant is spot on. Newbies will come no matter what; if we want to build the community we have to make a place for them.

The Vancouver Summit was excellent but we need to continue to improve. At the last Summit I sat next to a non-technical user who had given up her weekend, gotten her boss to pay for her trip and was wandering around trying to make sense of it. She had a great spirit and I think the opportunity was missed to bring her into the community.

A defined track for newcomers is essential to growing our small, enthusiastic community. I'm fired up about working with anyone else who wants to organize a newbie/user-oriented track with me.

Brian Jamison
CEO
OpenSourcery, LLC
Acquia Enterprise Partner
http://opensourcery.com

I recommend you connect with jhodgdon

RockSoup's picture

Jennifer is the lead on the Drupal Clinic and has done a great job running this event to help people new to Drupal.

I would take a small issue with:

A defined track for newcomers is essential to growing our small, enthusiastic community.

this goal is explicitly not a goal of the Summit.

edit: after reading back my reply I don't think it came out the way I meant.... My point is that the Summit has a goal of nurturing the existing Drupal user community. These are the people who have been burnt out as Grant speaks about above. I am in no way saying that we should not be reaching out- in fact I think we have found a more effective way to do it with the clinic.
edit again for spelling.... sorry for the spam!

I would encourage you to consider a 2 event approach. As outlined in the comments below.

The Summit is intended to and has been successful at serving the people in the regional Drupal community who work with Drupal and are looking for a more advanced professional conference without the concurrent beginners track. After 2 years of experience we have seen great success with this model.

-jared

Jared lays it pretty bare

GregoryHeller's picture

Jared lays it pretty bare here: the goal of the summit was never intended to be educating newbies. If as Grant said, he was sitting next to a woman who was lost (At the PNWDS summit in seattle) then she was at the wrong event. We made it pretty clear what kind of audience the sessions were going to cater too.

One challenge we had after doing 3 or 4 DrupalCamps in seattle, and many of us attending a few others (like vancouver's) was that the people who lead sessions got tired of leading sessions on intro to cck, and intro to views, etc.... and wanted to take it to the next level.

It really sounds to me from this thread so far, that a camp may still be needed in PDX, and that there is interest in running one. Perhaps a summit could run concurrently, but something that definitely gets lost is the intimate nature of an event that is <250 where you can spend QT with LOTS of folks there. I've been going to DrupalCons since Amsterdam in 2005, I've experienced their growth from 40 or 50 people to 3000 people, and it is just not the same experience when an event is huge. Sitting in a room with 20 or 30 people for a sessions is incomparable with a room of 60, 100 or 200 people.

You basically need 1 room for every 50 people that are at an event, so if you have 500 people, you will really need to run about 10 concurrent sessions, if they are each an hour long, you probably are running 6 a day, maybe 7, over two days that is 120~140 sessions.... which means 120 people of your 500 are presenters. That means every other person at the Vancouver camp, or nearly every person at the Seattle camp (just talking head count here) is probably presenting. And if they are preparing presentations on beginner or even intermediate topics, then there is less time for them to prepare advanced, envelope pushing discussions.

Back to the uninitiated for my last comment of the day on this: if there is such a overwhelming demand for basic Drupal Education, then it would seem to me that there is a business opportunity to run trainings, like Drupal In A Day (at Vancouver) or the series that alaken from Montana is working on, or the DrupalClinic that Jennifer Hodgdon has worked on. Perhaps the best way to go would be to offer a friday where all of those folks offering trainings run a training day at an affordable price point, and then there can be 2 days of advanced topics for drupal professionals.

Alternately if what Portland wants to organize is an event that caters to newbies, and on up, maybe it is DrupalCamp, or maybe it is a new animal, a regional DrupalCon, but maybe it is not the Pacific Northwest Drupal Summit.

From the perspective of a

myusic's picture

From the perspective of a newbie, I agree that it would be awesome to have some sort of an intermediate camp and keep the PNW Summit at a higher level. It gives me and other people something to look forward too once we get to that level of understanding with Drupal.

I've been to conferences and camps for other things and I have gotten the feeling of disappointment at some point when I realize that the session I'm sitting in is for people who barely know the difference between the internet and a web browser. It is pathetic feeling and doesn't make me want to go back and participate the next year.

What I like was the level of community, knowledge sharing, and excitement that was expressed last weekend in Vancouver. Creating an experience like that for other people will make it more worth while for them to spend the money for a ticket if they know they will be going to sessions that won't insult their intelligence.

newbie?

metaltoad's picture

With all due respect, I don't think anyone with a Drupal.org account qualifies as a newbie.

Drupal.org

jsimonis's picture

I help people all the time on drupal.org who have accounts, and many of them definitely qualify as a newbie.

Really good points Gregory

Brian Jamison's picture

Gregory's points are well taken, and thank you Gregory for helping to educate at least me in the reality of what we're talking about taking on. My background isn't in event organizing.

I'm hearing a strong attachment to the term "Summit" and a desire to keep the intimate, advanced nature of that event pure. I can see a lot of value in that.

And I like Gregory's idea of a DrupalCamp on Saturday and a Summit on Sunday. Personally, my brain was pretty mushy on the second day of the Summit; is two days too much for a Summit, especially since Portland doesn't have as much experience as our neighbors to the North? Would it make sense to have a Saturday newbie/intermediate day and a Summit Sunday? Maybe make Saturday a code sprint for the advanced?

What doesn't feel right to me is to participate in an event called the NW Drupal Summit, live in the 3rd largest city in the NW and not shoulder our fair share of the organizing burden. I see how much effort went into the event, I'm grateful, and I want to return the favor and make it better.

Brian Jamison
CEO
OpenSourcery, LLC
Acquia Enterprise Partner
http://opensourcery.com

Little bit of confusing me

grantkruger's picture

Little bit of confusing me and Brian there, but that is besides the point.

Seems you guys solved the problem by splitting into 2 events. Sure, that means the beginner programming gets split off, but it also means the complexities of running 2 events instead of one. So we go from not yet talking about any PDX event to talking about 2, possibly each in different locations, with different volunteers, different websites, different PR, etc. If the community will support it, then I'm all for it. Lets see who steps forward to help make this happen. Personally I think that's a lot of extra effort and that a single conference is a better way to go, even if you split it out in some way, like a newbie track, or a newbie day or whatever. Further, I believe that a single all-purpose event is more likely to bring people in from out of town than separate niched conferences, and PNWS is by definition a conference for out-of-towners.

Seattle and Vancouver did a great job getting all this going and you're to be commended, but I always find, "It's not a real summit if..." comments to be a slippery slope, a moving line that can lead to strife. One person's newbie is another person's intermediate level. And I've noticed that quite a few people who you think of as more advanced still attending 'beginner' sessions. And one line in the sand can lead to another. If it's what the core volunteers want, then that is one thing, but if it is "tradition because we've done it twice now," then it's another. Which is not to say there's no merit in the idea, just that making it an all or nothing deal seems unreasonable.

Further, you said Seattle made it clear that the event was for advanced users, and be that as it may, it was not clear to me looking at the website for the recent PNWS. Neither the About page nor the FAQ mention the event is not for beginners. To the contrary, the about page includes a line that could suggest the opposite and the program includes topics categorized as being for beginners.

Yes, we could make newbies pay for their conference, i.e. by making it paid training. Yes, it may be a good business opportunity. However most of those I've met trying to break into Drupal are doing it on their own back and/or on their own time and I don't believe that an expensive intro is the way to go. I don't think this approach has worked so far. Lullabot come to town regularly and they get decent turnouts, but they are expensive and most of those who want to be there are not. We live in a world thick with freelancers and small companies. So I see a distinct difference between good for business and good for the community.

Recruiters are contacting me weekly on LinkedIn, even though my profile tells them that I'm not looking for work. People approach me from other venues too. We regularly have people at DUGs and on this list saying they're hiring, and getting no takers, or insufficient takers. And so on. There is a need. Despite this, we continue to give a lower priority to reaching out to those coming in to Drupal and we're doing a poor job most of the time reaching out to others coming into the web world.

I know of one small CMS good for sites a bit more complex than a Wordpress site, but not remotely a competitor for Drupal beyond that, and when they did outreach they gained new members of their community, because we were not there to offer another voice. Contrary to this, our DUG had a table at OSCon (without DA support) and this was huge. I've seen people we talked to there come to DUGs thereafter, plus many we spoke to were from out of town so there's a ripple effect. Many of the volunteers were there because they themselves had initially found the Drupal community through just such a table.

However, as one of you pointed out, nothing beats a con/ summit/ camp/ whatever you want to call it, for growing a community. I say, the more inclusive the better. But that decision should be up to the core volunteers making it happen. Whatever the group decides on, and is willing to work on, I'll support it, be it one event or two, but I see a lot of merit in having a single event.

Sala kahle,
Grant

I couldn't have said it better

bwinett's picture

Completely Agree.

I also think there's value in having beginners and advanced users attend the same event. Beginners get a better understanding of how the community works and how we interact with each other, and mingling with advanced users provides an opportunity for the love that we have for Drupal to rub off on them. Old hands are reminded of what the difficulties or trouble areas of Drupal are, they get the opportunity of helping others, and they can help ensure that Drupal and its community continue to thrive by helping new people join the community.

+1

spaceninja's picture

Yeah, agreed. I also did not get the message that the Summit was not for beginners. It sounds like there is some understanding in the community (though not to the general population) that there are differences between a Con, a Camp, a Summit, and a Clinic.

Regardless of what we decide to do, we should do a better job communicating our target audience on the website.

That's important feedback. As

dale42's picture

That's important feedback. As an organizer, this wasn't obvious to me and while I can't speak for the committee I don't think it occurred to them, either. Definitely a learning point for the next Summit organizers to take forward.

Ditto on what Dale said -

arianek's picture

Ditto on what Dale said - roger on the need for more clarity there next time.

PNW Summit Mission

RockSoup's picture

As Gregory noted above, the PNW Summit was founded as a regional event for people who use Drupal. While this has led to a growing conference outreach has not been a driving force behind this particular event. We do think that outreach is important. To this end we have provided trainings preceding the Summit each year that allow for newbs to come and learn about Drupal. In Seattle this has become a very popular event, see the Drupal Clinic g.d.o and event site. This model has enjoyed great success and I would suggest something similar for 2011.

It might provide some context to visit the original event node. I think that with the Summit comes an expectation based on the previous conference years that there will be a particular focus. This expectation is felt not only by attendees but also by sponsors - many of whom are excited about being a part of the Summit as it continues.

I believe the debrief we did in Vancouver along with the accompanying documentation will be brought to the next PDX Drupal User Group where I think it will lead to a great conversation.

I am super excited to see so many people committing to being a part of keeping this fun event moving forward and look forward to seeing the Portland community put its personal stamp on the PNW Summit!

-jared

Focus is Important

sarah_p's picture

To me the current setup makes more sense, it's more clear on who should attend when and what. Personally I think we have too few Drupal professional events in general. Open Source code only gets written when the community is able to do so, we need to make sure we aren't losing sight of the need for Drupal professionals to have opportunities to be challenged in our efforts to bring in newcomers. Having a separate training time prior to the Summit is a great way to keep focused and meet both needs of the community.

Drupal Clinic for Beginners

jdwalling's picture

Jennifer Hodgdon did an excellent job of designing classes for Drupal beginners in Seattle for 2009 and 2010. Benefit to having the beginner class before the 2009 Summit was the beginners who attended the Summit came understanding the basics already and they were not side tracked from the main topics.

Here are the beginner clinic resources:
2010:
http://poplarclass.com/ Seattle Drupal Clinic 2010 class curriculum
http://poplarclass.com/before-workshop Student preparation for the clinic
http://poplarclass.com/lessons lessons learned
http://groups.google.com/group/sdc-2010-plan Planning for the 2010 clinic
http://seattledrupalclinic2010.eventbrite.com/ registration $25+fee
Jennifer had students create Drupal accounts on WebEnabled.com so they would be using a standard and reliable platform.
2009:
http://poplarclass.com/home-2009 Seattle Drupal Clinic 2009 class curriculum
http://groups.google.com/group/seattle-drupal-clinic-planning Planning for the 2009 clinic
http://seattledrupalclinic.eventbrite.com/ registration free
Jennifer hosted the student web sites on her account - she switched to Webenabled in 2010

Thoughts: Separating the beginner classes from the 2009 summit worked well for local attendees. Separation does not work well for out-of-towners who won't get beginner classes at the Summit. Therefore, it behoves local Drupal groups (Vancouver, Seattle, Portland) to provide beginner support and outreach independent of the Summit.

-- John Walling

p.s.
Ideally, each Drupal group would provide an annual Drupal Beginner Clinic locally a few weeks prior to the Summits held in each of the 3 cities. That approach would take the burden of training newbies off the Summit planners and prepare beginners attending the Summit and benefit beginners who don't plan to attend the Summits. Using Jennifer's work as a template, it could be shared and enhanced between the 3 cities to streamline the process of training beginners.

PSU

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I was going to suggest PSU as well. I've used them several times for conferences and summits and it has worked great. We always tried to connect with a group on campus and have them as a sponsor so that we could get discounts on the facilities we used. They have a lot of classrooms that can be used for smaller sessions and large auditorium-style rooms for large sessions.

While I understand why people want to keep it aimed at professionals, like has been said by a few people - the newbies will come. And they'll sit in a session and be completely lost.

I did a Summit a few years back where we had various tracks. It was political, so ours was volunteers, candidates/potential candidates, and staff. Each had similar offerings, but were more targeted towards each group. Volunteers would be the equivalent of our newbies. Of all the Summits we did, this was the most popular. We sold out way in advance and were able to pick up more sponsorships than we had in the past.

I'd love to help out as much as I can. The only problem is that I have a young daughter who has autism, and bringing her to meetings is difficult. My husband works evenings, so he's not here to watch her while I drive into Portland for a meeting. It would be very helpful is there would be a way for those of us who can't get to the actual meetings to be able to participate. I can help put together materials, put together tracks, etc. as long as I have a way to be involved. In the past I've put together the materials and such for Summits and handled much of the prep work. I've been helping with these kinds of events for about a decade, so I've learned a lot along the way.

My specialty would be newbies, non-profits, political groups, and community groups. I work in those areas almost exclusively and have learned a lot about how their needs can be met by Drupal. I've also taught some classes and workshops on Drupal to newbies.

Metal Toad Media

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As another Drupal shop in Portland, I'd like to throw our company's hat in the ring. We have enough staff (9 people) that we can commit multiple people and some financial resources as well. I want to be careful of stepping on people's toes, but we're in it for the long haul.

I also agree 100% that we should to reach out to non-community members. Specifically i'd love to gget business decision makers and designers more exposed to Drupal. Regarding both of these groups I think we could easily attract them IF there are tracks to support their interests. I think this would be good for Drupal, any newbies that attend and for our community.

Joaquin

Weighing In

amye's picture

I am late to this particular thread, but I feel like I've had many conversations about this with folks. I'm sensing a few things that need to be explicitly brought out to focus.

1) This event is a significant amount of work. This event is not something that can be committed to without specific roles and responsibilities being in place, and with one person (or two, OSBridge has worked well with two chairs) who hold accountability, as well as the money. The financial issues are, as we remember well from last year's camp, probably the most challenging.

2) Venues are challenging things to be able to do. Should we wish to do this at PSU, it will be much easier if we have a professor on board to help out with the internal issues of reserving space.

3) Who are our organizers? Who is going to really be able to commit to this, and have the dedication that it takes to bring an event like this off? Be honest with yourself and your community. (Understand that our community is very different from the community that puts on OpenSourceBridge, and that they are two different events. OSCON is a different event from both, and the comparisons don't serve. )

I can't take on a commitment to lead this event at this time, but I am happy to sit as an advisor to those who do take this role on, and I am also happy to spell out what the roles, responsibilities and work involved looks like at the next User Group meeting.

Summit vs. Camp vs. Clinic

arianek's picture

Echoing what Jared and Gregory said, the Summit is not just a bigger regional DrupalCamp. Nor is it a smaller DrupalCon. It's a unique event that is geared towards people already tapped into the Drupal Community and working with/creating Drupal.

Having this focus allows us to really up the ante as far as community/contribution (eg. taking down the D7 criticals count by 5 over the course of the weekend) and as far as what kind of level of knowledge sharing is going on (eg. the nuances of Drupal Security, Aegir configuration, and Drupal business best practices among many other high level topics) - things that would not be the same within the context of a more general camp.

I am a huge proponent of bringing new people into the community and supporting and mentoring them, but like Seattle did last year, in a parallel event (be it a Camp or a Drupal Clinic). There just wasn't enough wo/man-power in Vancouver this year to run that concurrently with the Summit. But it is definitely a need that can be filled locally by other events, and does not benefit comparably by being regionalized.

The Summit is conceptually geared towards bringing together the leading Drupal developers/themers/managers/designers/etc. from the region and enabling us to cultivate both our shared knowledge base, as well as contribute back to the greater Drupal community. It's because of this that there were comments like "the PNW is really a hub of awesome Drupalling" and that very active contributors were willing to travel long distances to attend.

To reiterate - I am all for supporting beginners (and do a TON of it personally as part of my Drupal Docs work), but it doesn't mean that it must be integrated into the Summit. We've developed a very unique model for a regional conference (the most comparable event IMO would currently be the European DrupalCons, which are much smaller and more developer focused, but of course expensive to attend), and I think it's really important to keep focused on the needs that it is filling that really can't be filled elsewhere.

I joked about this in my sessions..

amye's picture

But Summit is a "Major Industry Event".

It felt a lot like Summer Camp for Drupal Pros, and I "approve this message".

We could talk about stuff happening in core + technical views stuff + context + features and not have to explain ourselves deeply in conversations, and the sessions can be a wide range. Even though I don't work with code, I go to code talks because how much can you really learn in 40 minutes? You get a good point of light in the universe that wasn't there before.

+1 for keeping it a Major Industry Event.

  • -a

focus focus focus

jkopel's picture

I played a small part in organizing the first summit in Seattle, and I just got back from the second one in Vancouver.
I have been doing Drupal since 2006, and I cannot overstate how exciting it was to be amongst so many people who know far MORE then I do.

Outreach is critical, but it is mostly effective as a local activity.
You will not have many people traveling from Seattle or Vancouver to learn what a node is.
Organize local events for teaching beginners,.
Then reward yourselves by putting on, and coming to, and speaking at, the summit!

The unique nature of the event is that is is a forum for discussing the things that keep Drupal growing technically.
You will learn about code/themeing/business all from people who are doing it, and who know how to answer the questions you have.
Diluting this with tracks for beginners will keep you from being able to attend the advanced sessions (you will be talking about how to add cck fields).

The summit as currently constituted was designed to be in each city once every three years.
Do something for you local community when the summit is in Seattle and Vancouver.
Next year, do something for yourself :-)

Web developer @ tableau

I am fully in support of

jhedstrom's picture

I am fully in support of keeping the Drupal Summit a distinct event targeted at the amazing community we have here in the PNW. There are many opportunities in place for outreaching those not already involved with Drupal (the easiest is to spread word about our monthly DUGs and Brewpal), and hosting the summit doesn't have to be mutually exclusive from also hosting a Drupal Camp. Trying to combine the summit and a more beginner-friendly camp seems like it would serve neither group of people well.

I support Seattle and

eliza411's picture

I support Seattle and Vancouver in wanting to maintain their intended focus from the two very successful summits they've organized when sharing the venue with Portland.

I've heard feedback after every camp, summit, and con that more outreach needs to be done, but I've seen little initiative toward making it happen. This is not to say I know what all folks have tried to organize, only that I've not seen newbie outreach or business outreach events come through the Portland user group.

I'd love to see folks interesting in working with the previous Summit hosts, ones who are interested in maintaining the spirit and intentions of Summit organizers, start working toward Portland as the host city in 2011.

I'd also love to see folks interested in outreach events continue their discussion independently. There's quite a bit of diversity in ideas for outreach alone that bear clarification.

Several of the people who talk to me about outreach don't attend user group meetings (Brewpal or Presentation Wednesday) because the focus is so developer-oriented, so they may not be in the minds of regular user-group attendees as potential resources or organizers. I'd be willing to act as liaison between the user group and anyone wanting to put together outreach events. I'm pretty sure several of us would like to support such an effort, even if we're not prepared to craft the overall event vision or step in to make it happen.

I believe if the heavy lifting of organizing and logistics are bottom-lined by committed volunteers (with some very basic coordination of dates and places) that the Portland community is large enough, committed enough, and enthusiastic enough to support two events. If no one steps up for outreach events, then we'll know I'm wrong.

The Summit seems like a clear "go" and something that is appropriately defined only within the vision of the larger regional community.

Beginner track? or Beginner work camp!

vosechu's picture

I don't believe that there is any reason to segregate the conferences but a clear demarkation should be present. Yes adding a beginner track would require more effort, but getting it laid down now will create less rework later.

We don't need to have a beginner track, people will learn on their own, but if we want them to use the same conventions as us we do need to train them to hack like we do. Either that or they have to get that training in their CVS application which just seems like the wrong place to do it.

In Go there is a saying, "If you play 1000 games with a professional, you will become a professional. If you play 1000 games with a beginning you will become a beginner" (paraphrased for clarity). Newbies are in fact the bane of the professional's existence (unless you're a trainer), but the bigger problem is that Drupal is getting really big, really fast and if we don't train our newbies we're all going to have a lot more work than we can handle.

So maybe the summit is more like a place to become a professional. We should clearly mark what it is, not that it's not for beginners, but that beginners are going to have to work really fucking hard at the summits. Maybe if you aren't already certified to rock you have to pair up with someone that is. And by the end, all newbies should have written some tests, patches, or something.

This is a huge opportunity for everyone: when you're a professional you forget why you do things. The act of teaching is a renewal process. When you're a newbie, just seeing the tools that a professional uses, the websites, the servers, their machine setup, can be enough to get you over the hump into self-sufficiency.

New Thread for Outreach

eliza411's picture

The Pacific Northwest Drupal Summit is what it is, focused and wildly successful! Anyone passionately interested in creating an equally focused and wildly successful experience for newbies, something to prepare them for a Summit, please bring your ideas and plans here: http://groups.drupal.org/node/98309

PCC CLIMB Center should be available = rooms + auditorium

jbthuis's picture

Just a reminder as you are trying to figure out what to do with Drupal events. The PCC CLIMB Center (across from OMSI) has a great auditorium, plus lots of high tech classrooms, and we'd love to host something like the Pacific Northwest Drupal Summit. Let me know how I can help.

John Buesseler - PCC CLIMB