Posted by isa-gdo on April 8, 2009 at 5:35am
Recently, it seems that a lot of Japanese business customers demand the method which outputs a static page from CMS than a dynamic page by Drupal.
Why is it ?
First, they care about security.
Second, many of CMS of Japan becomes this pattarn from long long ago.
Please let me hear your opinion.
Comments
思いつきで。
日本語で書いてしまいます。どなたか飜訳していただけたら幸いです。
日本の会社が商用CMSとして販売している高額のCMSはだいたい静的HTML吐き出しをうたっている物が多いですね。
WebRelease、Noren等々。OpenSourceだとTypo3とか。
昔の動的生成のURL「?=....」に比べてSEOが有利だとか、動的生成よりサイト表示のレスポンスが早いと思われています。
Drupalも[pathauto module] ,[cache system]を使えば同等以上に自由度の高いURLやレスポンスを実現できるはずですが、なかなか説明しにくいですね。
また、中小の規模のクライアントに一番人気なのは現在でもMT(Movable Type)です。
世界的に見ればシェアは小さいとおもわれますが、日本語情報が豊富で制作者の層も厚いんですね。
MTでの制作を指名されることも多いです。
MTが基本的に静的HTML吐き出しなので、これがCMSのモデルとして認知されている可能性も高いです。
I was not aware of such a
I was not aware of such a trend, but maybe it's because HTML is such an understandable technology? That's what made it a standard in the first place. I guess the clients want something they can easily understand, and - let's face it, drupal is far from that.
Recently, I am using Boost to output static HTML cache for performance reasons - and the performance increase is very noticeable.
Thanks qchan,Pawel, ありがとうございます。
qchan-san ,Pawel-san,
コメントありがとうございます。
やはり、日本でのCMSの使われ方はMTや他の商用パッケージのように
静的なHTMLを吐き出す形が多いんですよね。
現在、私どもでもそのような要求に対してのモジュールを考えてますが
今後のことを考えるとあまりBestなソリューションではない気がしてます。
世界的なCMSの使われ方は、Drupalをごらんください！って
強く言いたいのですが、お客様の環境がすでにそういう形になってたりしてますので
なんとも辛いところです。。。
まあ、Drupalが日本で認知されるにつれ、Drupalがすばらしいソリューションとして
皆が気づくことを願ってます。
Pawel-san
I think so. HTML solution is easily understand to customer in Japan.
There are NO reasons for performance..
Thanks.
Isa
My job is Drupal evangelist. :-)
how about Clean URL
Not sure if it is relevant to ask, just wonder if/how clean URL works for this static vs. dynamic thing.
Yet to find out
Not sure what you're asking but if I understood you correctly and I'm yet to find out if possible as a newbie?
but it seems that you are asking how to configure pathauto module to dynamically generate clean URL`s.
Scott
You mean with static caching?
OK kenjimori not sure this is what you meant but:
The Boost module uses mod_rewrite rules to check for cached HTML files that correspond to any given request first. So, if the user is looking for www.example.com/about, Apache will first look for drupaldir/cache/www.example.com/0/about.html, and if it exists, it will just serve it without even parsing PHP, not to mention booting Drupal or connecting to SQL. The performance improvement is massive.
If the file does not exist, output is handed over to Drupal, and the Boost module saves the file at the end of the request.
Clean URLs are handled as symlinks to other static files, so /cache/www.example.com/0/about.html could be a link to /cache/www.example.com/0/node/234.html.
SEO URL Thing?
Hi,
Are you sure its not an SEO URL Thing they are looking for?
I find that most Japanese clients are for the most part, not as educated on the internet and best practices and functions. If you provide them with examples of other companies using the same technology and explain the system and why it works. They usually come around no problem and are thankful for the information. For Japanese clients, you might want to show them the Sony Music site that is built on Drupal. If they see a big Japanese company like Sony, be it a foreign division, using the same platform, they feel better about it.
For the most part, its just a lack of knowledge and information. I hope we can help change that, and I hope that doesn't sound so negative about Japan. One huge advantage of Japan, we don't have to worry about speed for Japanese users as much as the rest of the world does.
Hope that helps,
Shaun
Thanks Shaun
Hi, Shaun .
I didn't know the Sony Music site is built on Drupal !
Japanese site ?
http://www.sonymusic.co.jp/
We also have already made famous Japanese enterprise that is used Drupal.
To our regret, it is difficult for us to inform it and it is difficult for the reasons for the security protection now.
Isa
My job is Drupal evangelist. :-)
Sony Music Myplay
@Isa-san
This is it (maybe)
http://myplay.com/
BTW
Does Drupal output a dynamic page?
I am such a beginner who don't know this kind of basic thing :-p
But anyway it was not so difficult for me configuring pathauto module (with date module and some patches)
Shin
I'm a very, very beginner but am stepping forward creating sites with Drupal ! :-)
re: Sony Music Myplay
皆様
isa 中野です。英語のにゅあんすが難しいので日本語で。。
ShinさんThanksです。
海外のサイトであればDrupalの構築事例はたくさんあるので、日本のお客さん
にもそれは提案時によーく説明しています。
（それこそ海外のDrupal事例では官庁系や学術系、NokiaやNikeのサイト、日本の企業
の現地法人サイトとしてSANYOがありました。他にもたくさんたくさん）
Ref.
http://buytaert.net/tag/drupal-sites
おかげさまで、Drupalでの有名企業からの引き合いはあるのですが、現在の日本の代表的な
CMS？であるMT(Movable Type)の乗せ換えだったり、それと似たようなCMSからの置き換え
だったりすることが多いのです。
この場合、（お客さんの認識としては）CMSはコンテンツを作成した後に、静的ページをテスト環境
に置き、関係者に確認してもらった後で本番の環境に手動で移すという手法がベースとなります。
DrupalのようにHTMLを動的生成していくワークフロープロセスが、今までと方法が違うことで
違和感を感じて採用しないのか、それとも静的HTMLでの上記手法にするメリットとなる要因が
あるのかが、私は理解できていません。
だれか教えてください。Help me! :P
isa
My job is Drupal evangelist. :-)
thanks for clarifications
Pawel, Scot, Schaun,
To tell you the truth, I was not even sure the difference is. Now it's more clearer. At any rate, I think I'm going to go for Boost module, some time later.
Isa,
Oh, you can tell us offline, then (Joke.)
Kenji
Hi. kenji
Thanks for your comment.
You are welcome! ;-P
Isa
Some Drupal Sites to be proud of! Drupal自慢のサイト！
http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/other/intro-to-drupal-build-a-simple-cms/
(@comments it says that according to buyaert.net/tag/drupal-sites the following sites are built by Drupal)
(Drupal: http://buytaert.net/tag/drupal-sites)
Sanyo
Disney
Mozilla
SourceForge
ICANN
Sun Microsystems
EA
Adobe
Universal Music
Nike
FedEx
AOL
NASA
:several music bands including
Metallica
Pearl Jam
Beyonce
Bob Dylan
Led Zeppelin
to name a few. 凄いですよね！
以上
Scott