Posted by gollyg on May 18, 2010 at 12:57am
Just a reminder and a confirmation that the Sydney user group will be meeting as usual this Thursday night at the regular ABC venue. I am sure Ryan will be posting details soon. In brief:
Date: 20 May 2010
Venue: ABC Centre Ultimo
Time: 6.30 meeting in the foyer for 7pm start in the training room
Stay tuned for details of the agenda...
Comments
Drupalcamp Sydney
Please add to the agenda my request that you change the name "Drupalcamp Australia" to "Drupalcamp Sydney".
http://groups.drupal.org/node/46526#comment-212278
I'm not officially representing Melbourne, maybe other Melbournians can +1/-1 on this comment.
I just noted that there is a
I just noted that there is a vote up/down feature in GDO now. Not my intention to attracts votes - it's a Sydney decision - my point is that maybe Melbourne people do/not agree with me and could +1/-1 on comments below if they feel strongly about it.
Melbourne/Sydney
This Sydney/Melbourne thing is a bit silly. Why don't we all meet sometime over some tea and lamingtons and collaborate. I'm often in both cities. It's not that hard.
I, for one, am outraged.
I, for one, am outraged.
My understanding is that
My understanding is that there was some consultation behind the decision to call it DrupalCamp Australia - it was not a decision made in complete isolation from the rest of the Australian Drupal community.
However, I do agree that the event is probably more of a Sydney DrupalCamp, and I would be supportive of that name change. No doubt we will discuss it on Thursday night. I should add that something like a name is not worth fracturing the community over. I don't really care what it is called - the idea is to build a community - not to destroy it!
The main thing to take away from this is the need to talk as a community, and start thinking beyond our cities. I would love a DrupalCamp Australia to happen with a committee made up of Drupalers from across the country. It needs to be open, democratic and transparent.
I am sure we are all interested in seeing that happen, it's just a matter of communicating and making sure that every voice is heard.
How hard can it be ;)
All i will say
All i will say is that we as a Community need to work together, personally i dont care what things are called... i care about community cohesion... i also would say that this imperative for the survival of Drupal in Australia and also for a professional appearance within the greater IT community and Open Source sector.
I love yous all, but i love Drupal and the Community more... I am up for whatever is for the community, and i would like to think as mature adults we can work together... Also Sime you know i respect you and everything you add to the greater Drupal community and i feel the same way regarding the name, i think it should be localized until we come up with a greater community consensus.
Anyways i am happy to see so many Drupal events occuring, it took me a while to become active in the group as i tend to sit and watch on the fringes i am constantly amazed by the work we all do in regards to supporting Drupal in Oz, i would like to see that continue and think we can have localised groups who come together for a national event....
I am involved in the Drupal Camp in Sydney and would be more then happy to be involved in any Drupal Camp, but i only represent my feelings not anyone else in Sydney :D
only my 2cents so dont shoot me down, but i have been known to love a flame war ;p
but at the end of the day know i love Drupal more then petty shit and hate people politics (hence why im not in Canberra) and will always continue to support it as i did before we had camps etc :D
in defense though
in defense of the Sydney Group though i would like to state that we did have a Drupal Camp Australia in 2008 that was a great success (yes it was named Drupal Camp Australia prior to smaller local Camps), could we not come together again? we do have some keen sponsors...
is it just a naming issue, or is it the fact that people feel they were not invited, or the fact that other countries name camps after towns?
if you have concerns and would like to keep then anonymous please contact me via drupal profile or aimee@aimeemaree.com and i can raise these tomorrow at the Drupal Sydney Meet-up
as i have stated i want everyone to be happy remember what Dries says "Drupal come for the code, stay for the community" community is sharing and also making compromises, i am in thsi for community and not even just Australia but the greater international Drupal Community, if there are standards etc that we can follow ie how other countries do it that would be great.
From what i understand the current association policies are to have a camp and name it of that local city, hence Drupal Camp Helsinki is not Called Drupal Camp Finland but rather named after the town it is in, if these standards have been set-up and followed by the greater drupal community we to in Australia should do the same as we are no different to the greater community there are NO SOLE ISLANDS in Open Source... and i can not stress that enough... Open Source works because of community let us remember that when we plan anything to do with Open Source...
Any one has any hardcore Drupal Association rules please post... i am only aware of the fact of a consensus in the community that camps are named after towns.
I'm more concerned about the brand
Thanks amaree
Yes there was a successful camp in 2008, but remember the date changed near the end and many people couldn't move or cancel flights (including folk from NZ). So outside of Sydney, this was bad for the "Drupalcamp Australia" brand.
So all I want to say is I'm getting nervous. I'm simply requesting that if the name "Drupalcamp Australia" will be used, make the camp worthy of the name. Let's see the website, forum, sponsor packs, 200+ people, overseas keynote, etc, etc.
Otherwise make it Drupalcamp Sydney.
(amaree so were you involved in suncorp.com.au?)
comparing drupal south
Oh, it just struck me that I'm more biased now because of Drupal South. It really did kick arse.
One example was the sponsorship packages. Sponsoring as Em Space, I was given heaps of notice, clear information, and my brand was looked after. If I was looking to sponsor Drupalcamp Australia, seen through the same eyes, what would I be sponsoring?
Another example was the securing of key personalities. Liz Henry, Emma-Jane and Angie. Who is in the line-up for Drupalcamp Australia?
I am an American living in
I am an American living in Melbourne. I would like to second the motion that the whole Sydney/Melbourne thing is ridiculous. I believe it looks especially ridiculous to outsiders from the USA. My personal belief is that Drupalcamp Australia has a very good feel to international visitors, and represents a strong presence from Australia, which has greater impact than a presence located in a particular city.
I do agree that saying Drupalcamp Australia raises the bar to make the event and its promotion truly internationally worthy. Australia has an excellent technology base, and is well respected internationally for many technological accomplishments. As a brand, it is a strong statement, whereas any "city named event" is always perceived as one of lesser importance.
Just my .02 worth.
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FTR, I never had any issue
FTR,
I never had any issue with the whole Sydney thing - I don't know why this is being discussed as it's nothing to do with Melbourne/Sydney stuff, so why bring that in to blur the issue.
The issue I had was confusion as to whether the Drupalcamp Australia was going ahead since we were given no visibility into the progress. First there was an attempt to organise something with very little time that everyone quickly pointed out would make it impossible to attend. The date was revised and an announcement to say so, and then nothing more (even when requests were made)
Stop going on about what the name is and whether it was named in isolation from anyone - that is not the issue here so let's not waste time. The issue is that the ongoing progress of the event is happening in isolation and leaving non-Sydneysiders bewildered and confused.
Quite specifically, I wanted to know what was happening because unlike many others here, I'm not freelancing and free to travel on a whim at the last minute - I have an employer, and I also manage staff, thus I need to give plenty of notice / make preparations for my absence. I also have a partner who may/may not want to come so the issue grows exponentially as she needs to apply for leave, etc etc.
Sime hits it on the head here: (and actually I don't even care about who the keynote(s) is/are)
If it is going to not be a national event, fine - it means I don't have to worry. But this has nothing to do with any old Sydney/Melbourne thing.
So, is it happening as a national event or not? The answer should probably be in the other thread where various people have been asking, and getting no response. Go! Australia, and not just Melbourne, is watching and waiting eagerly :)
I do wish this wasn't seen as
I do wish this wasn't seen as a Sydney/Melbourne thing. This is a "brand we share, please don't fuck it up again" thing.
watching on the sidelines from QLD
tongue in cheek up here we think of you all as mexicans down below the border
seriously though - my perspective is that you guys need to get your acts together.
i agree with commentors above - this whole "discussion" makes the user community look fragmented and it is petty.
my suggestion
at your relevant local city event nominate a city representative or two or three even who will sit on a nationwide committee to create a drupalcamp australia that includes keynotes speakers, and rotates through capital cities in australia as a national event. create a website specific to this event and use it to manage it. user community means input from all.
no disrespect to those who have put lots of effort in the past (big thank yous) - but lets move forward -the past was the past - we have outgrown what we had before and its time to progress to the next stage. lets create an international worthy nationwide event that we can come to. I for one wont be going to the "insertname here" event in sydney in its current format as we have a drupalcamp QLD here in a couple of weeks time.
Yes!
That's right! There needs to be a national body that organises this event rather than the host city alone. It's the efficient way. I mean this with respect to the people currently putting work into this.
It would be petty if it was a
It would be petty if it was a meaningless argument about Sydney vs Melbourne blah blah. Which is a good thing it isn't - it's just unfortunate that got dragged up as it's completely irrelevant. So let's drop that (please)
I agree with the rest of what Jethro says.
Thats exactly the reasoning behind why Sime suggested it be renamed in the first place - just the fact that a Melbournian said it was enough to let the dogs out :) I think we're all agreed here, and can move past the cliches that were pinned to this whole thing.
+1millionandeleventy!
Melbourne just developed a Drupal Committee. Being an armchair commentator I firmly and wholeheartedly endorse they, or a representative from, get involved as a Melbourne rep with other similar groups/reps from around the rest of the country and organising something awesome :)
reading posts
Sime re Suncorp, yes i was involved in a pilot project for two sites and also running some workshops etc to pass across PHP/Drupal knowledge, ThoughtWorks were involved as well, a lot of the time was spent in setting up the staging and development environment. They have a very complex security infrastructure needs etc to suit bank policies, also all on Windows XP desktop (no Linux Dev Desktop :( ) Once again another project were we saw Open Source and LAMP technology be implemented for the first time :D. We spoke about this when i was at the Drupal Camp in Melbourne 2009, hoping you remember me :D
also i am not sure if people read my posts properly, as I stated I am for DRUPAL, i have been playing and working on Drupal for a couple of years now and been involved in the community in Oz in a promoting, sponsorship way etc since 2008. I am very upset to see what is occurring, having been involved in Linux and Open Source for the last 15years this is very different from my experience in Open Source Community, as i stated in my previous posts, i think we should follow community standards and call it Drupal Sydney, and i actually don't think anyone in Sydney cares about the name maybe one or two people but im speaking for the overall consensus. To be honest in regards to open source i have always taken an international approach as there was no Auz community in the beginning and i dont take well to people politics, i respect people on their technical skill set, community contribution and compassion.
I find in life if im not happy with what someone has done i approach them in a civilized manner and have a discussion, we then resolve and ensure both parties are happy with the outcome. I welcome discussions and feel its healthy, however we do need to be aware this is an international community, and we are part of the World and that world is watching us fracture. Whilst this country is large in size we are small in numbers and we should support each other, i do not see any other Drupaler as a threat but as i friend and an allie, i would expect this feeling to be reciprocated with the Group :D
Sime also, I was not involved in the 2009 Camp as i was busy on Drupal projects, i was involved in the Drupal2008 camp from way of Federal Government sponsorship etc. If you feel that people have Fucked Up the Brand (something that i have not heard before) as you say then hey let those people know, email rcross email gollyg and let them know, if they do nothing email and tell other people in Sydney and we will raise this as an issue etc. I want to see people happy and using Open Source code that enables them to modify and make better to give back to the community to keep on proving to the world that Open Source business and communities models are here to stay and closed business models better take note!!!!
Also i would love to be part of a group that involved all of us, I dont just work in Sydney i have not for the past 7 years, i work all over NSW, QLD and even some clients in Melbourne... so i do not see myself as a Sydney Drupal person, i see myself as an international Drupalista, caring about the greater community as a whole ;p
re Drupal committee, yes it would be great to have a group of us come together who have been involved in Drupal for the last X amount and have proven track records of giving back and supporting the community....
As i have stated i have sponsors (from corporate, government and education) etc who would get involved, but as an OpenSource Community person i can only advocate something that is approached from an Open Source and Community perspective. Community is worth more then Gold to me...
Please note i have become active in this conversation because I believe in Drupal, and i believe in what Dries says "Come for the code, stay for the Community"
I am not sure why I am
I am not sure why I am mentioned as someone to contact re the naming of the event. I have not been involved in any of the decision making regarding naming of these events, and was only involved in a support role at the camp in question. I actually raised the naming of the current event as an issue in the most recent meeting, added my concerns to the project management site a few weeks ago, and agreed with emspace on the issue via IRC recently.
At some point early on in the process the name was decided upon. I was not privy to those discussions, but it seems a bad decision was made. I think everyone so far acknowledges that and I can't see that there is going to be any problem changing the name to Drupalcamp Sydney.
I also fully agree that we need a national body to manage the Australian Drupal brand, so as far as I am concerned all of this is good. People are dealing with this stuff, and the Australian community will be stronger as a result. Sure, it's all pretty public, but it is open source.
Count me in for promoting
Count me in for promoting Drupal Australia.
Couldn't be bothered with all this Melb/Syd crap (in alphabetical order) I've got better things in my life to worry about. Were not making a bloody country.
I'd rather have a small slice of a larger pizza than a large slice of a small crappy pizza with no topping.
Gollyg I personally would like to see a governing body and see more conferences, even NZ recently had Kevin Rose over there for a web conference. Well done Kiwi's!
my $0.02
Just wanted to add a few thoughts.
If you want to call an event "DrupalCamp Australia", then it should be worthy of that name. That includes:
(a) The support and participation of the entire Australian Drupal community, or close to.
(b) People from most, or at least several, states involved in the organisation of the event.
(c) The same level of professionalism and organisation as delivered by DrupalCamp South and similar events around the world, including international guest speakers.
Without knowing all the details, I think it's pretty clear you don't have all these things. So it definitely shouldn't be called DrupalCamp Australia.
The event in 2008 was very good, but imho it wasn't "DrupalCamp Australia". It was a users group meeting++. We all really need to think bigger than that for an event to be worthy of such a title.
Why not take a similar approach to OSDC? They hold the event in a different capital city each year, and the users group from that city takes responsibility for organising the event. That would mean not always having it in Sydney. I understand that Sydney has a higher percentage of Drupal developers than other cities, but that's not enough of a reason to always have it there. A serious Drupal developer will come up with a few hundred dollars airfare.
Good points to consider for a
Good points to consider for a national association to consider.
As for the current event, I think we can pretty much put the naming to rest - I can't see any way it won't be called Drupalcamp Sydney. Everyone so far is in agreement on this point.
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Good points.
However, if you make the host city responsible for each event then you're likely to lose at least some of the benefit of experience each time the event is managed by a new group of people. You're also less likely to build strong working relationships with the people who provide services to events such as this and you're less likely to manage change effectively over the long term.
There needs to be some continuity between the events! An organisation of professional people with good experience who are available and responsible in the long term. A group of individuals that can build trust and good will (the brand).
This discussion here is all positive! We've put the regional differences behind us and are talking about a goal with enthusiasm.
Rim, It'd be interesting to
Rim,
It'd be interesting to speak to the Linux Conf people about this model, since that is similar in that it changes city per conference and is, to the best of my knowledge, organised by a regional committee specific to that region at the time (I may be mistaken). Donna and Peter's ideas here will be useful since I know they've been involved in the organising of such events in the past - lots of experience and knowledge there.
That said, the Linux Conf has an overarching nation-wide organisation behind it - so I'm either wrong, or it's a hybrid model that seems to work (i.e nation-wide organisation helps fund and provide resources, with a smaller regional committee for logistics purposes)
Coffs Harbour and Others
Also there is a Coffs Harbour group, i got to meet the boys last year very knowledgeable and also a great meet-up :D i would like to see those guys involved in Drupal Camps?
Also i have no problems flying anywhere in Australia to help with Drupal Camps of meet-ups, also looking at trying to invigorate Drupal into Byron Bay and Tweed areas as i know people around there who are using it...
So i guess this is my I Love you Guys and I Love Drupal :D and i know we who care about Drupal and Community will work together move on from this and continue doing the great work they do :D so thank you all above, cause in community you need to air your concerns or grievances that's what its all about, tonight at the Drupal Sydney meet-up I will raise the above as a discussion and as far as i know the consensus in Sydney (not speaking for everyone) is to change the name. I belive changing the name as i stated in previous posts we need to do to adhere to larger Drupal Community standards :D
if i said anything to upset anyone etc etc etc you know that was not intended and all i care about is Drupal, Code, Community, Clientèle hey thats DCCC ;p another acronym hehe
mention of name and agree with Mossy71
gollyg sorry i mentioned your name as from my understanding you and Ryan had been the main organizers, sorry if you do not feel this however this is what i understood from meetings, i have only really been on the fringe as in offering to help speak to sponsors etc... and from last meet-up i thought it was yourself and Ryan as chairs sorry my mistake...
Also mossy71 that is what i raised to the group before, and that is my feeling, i also feel that for opensource events you need to keep cost low and relevant so for any high charges etc i would expect to see someone international there, that would be a draw card for me and also for Corporate sponsors etc.
No worries. The confusion may
No worries. The confusion may be that I was a co-organiser of the Drupal Sydney user group meetings when I worked at the ABC.
Just a thought
Hello, I'm Grant
I attended the last DUG in Sydney but unfortunately wont make tonight's. I am on the organising committee for Social Media Club, Sydney (@SMCSYD on Twitter), and I am also the main events organiser, organising monthly events of about 300-500 attendees.
We've found that having a steering committee (in our case 6) and one/two events responsible people (in our case there is myself and another person who shares the load) is the most practical approach. When we first started our events we we're quite loose in our organisation and execution of events.
Approaching our ninth event on Monday night we've learnt a few things along the way, but most of it is pretty logical. My suggestions for any conference organised by committee is:
If the conference is to be in a number of cities then the one/two event responsible organisers would need to travel to those cities to execute the same attention to detail.
Please let me know if we I can help at all; as I'm both keenly interested in Drupal and events management.
Grant
community orientated
Grant, the issue with a committee that has a chair and he makes the decision is that this is not a community approach, the chair would take it back to the community and they would vote etc. I am not into being apart of something that becomes a hierarchy thats not why im involved in open source and that does not follow suite with FOSS philosophy...
Last thing we want is a l33t club; cause that will not serve the end user of Drupal as well those who are community minded as they will just stop participating, i know that there are some of us who are not happy with the lack of community focus but that would be old Linux hats ;p
Not sure where we all went wrong there was none of the above when i decided to get involved locally beginning of 2008, also i will stress whatever we do we need to have someone who represents the End User not the technical or developer. cause at the end of the day we build systems so people can use them and the only reason we use CMS is to enable people to maintain their own content and site, i know a heap of people in corporate community that would love to know more about using Drupal from an end user perspective and dont want to hear about how to build a module.
I would like to see the community embrace international standards and models as well as known GNU business/group practices, this is not new we did not invent it... so lets learn from the community we sprang from (i,e LINUX) ;p
Also Sime you asked a question about SunCorp? anything you would like to know, i believe you where asking on IRC the other-night when i was having Drupal Beir's ;p
Also sorry but i find it a bit hard swallowing a Pill of the fact that a we have a "Brand" and please speak for yourself on this matter i use a technology.... and Drupal is not the only technology i work with :D
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I don't see that as an issue. Plenty of community projects have a central figure (or a few) to make decisions. For example: Drupal has Dries and Linux has Linus Torvalds. These two individuals have the responsibility of the community's best interests every time they make a decision. Some decisions are not the right choice right away but peer review and feedback can usually resolve most issues. You've got to make some mistakes to move forward.
community orientated
Grant, the issue with a committee that has a chair and he makes the decision is that this is not a community approach, the chair would take it back to the community and they would vote etc. I am not into being apart of something that becomes a hierarchy thats not why im involved in open source and that does not follow suite with FOSS philosophy...
Last thing we want is a l33t club; cause that will not serve the end user of Drupal as well those who are community minded as they will just stop participating, i know that there are some of us who are not happy with the lack of community focus but that would be old Linux hats ;p
Not sure where we all went wrong there was none of the above when i decided to get involved locally beginning of 2008, also i will stress whatever we do we need to have someone who represents the End User not the technical or developer. cause at the end of the day we build systems so people can use them and the only reason we use CMS is to enable people to maintain their own content and site, i know a heap of people in corporate community that would love to know more about using Drupal from an end user perspective and dont want to hear about how to build a module.
I would like to see the community embrace international standards and models as well as known GNU business/group practices, this is not new we did not invent it... so lets learn from the community we sprang from (i,e LINUX) ;p
Also Sime you asked a question about SunCorp? anything you would like to know, i believe you where asking on IRC the other-night when i was having Drupal Beir's ;p
Also sorry but i find it a bit hard swallowing a Pill of the fact that a we have a "Brand" and please speak for yourself on this matter i use a technology.... and Drupal is not the only technology i work with :D
Hey amaree - yes saw your
Hey amaree - yes saw your other comment about Suncorp. I was thinking someone should blog it.
"Brand" is a bit marketing, but it's relevant. If someone says, "Drupal national events in Australia are unreliable (or whatever), I'm going to visit/sponsor/keynote DrupalSouth", that is a damage to brand that effects everyone's future efforts.
i love community
Sime :)
cool yes yes yes, i have been really slack i have five sites to put under the drupal showcase i have been slack so much work :D
lol re i understand what you mean about Brand, sorry was a bit unsure what was meant...
I guess i have jumped into this discussion as I have a lot of respect for people like yourself Sime in our community, I will be heading to Brisbane and Melbourne for Camps, if only to meet other Drupal developers :D
I believe from this discussion we have identified what the concern and problem was with the naming and I also feel as an Australian Community we are all agree that we should follow the international standards for naming,
Also i put support into a larger Australian committee as long as there is a way for people to feed comments and concerns to the committee without recourse then i am all in support. It would be great to see people like yourself Sime (Em Space -Acquia Partner) and Bevan, Gollyg etc involved :D Also it is great to see someone like Donna B getting involved in Drupal as yes she has many years of FOSS and OpenSource organisation skills within the larger Australian and international community.
I actually am excited at the end of this thread i think we have actually realized that most of us share the same feelings :D
dupe post - ignore
dupe post - ignore
If you are slack amaree, then
If you are slack amaree, then I'm in the seventh level of slack hell! (Em Space are not an Acquia partner any more, among other things, my site is way out of date.)
Thanks heaps, your comment makes a clear statement of intent, and really puts my mind at rest. You rock!
Good to see lots of
Good to see lots of passionate discussion on here! As any good Drupal dev would know, Drupal is going ballistic within larger enterprises, so the Drupal "brand" is more important to nurture than ever.
Most of our work as commercial developers is doing the hard-sell on why clients should choose Drupal over another CMS to begin with, in competition with other open-source and proprietary CMS's like Sitecore etc. The more Drupal is perceived as a solid, enterprise-grade CMS with a strong, passionate developer community, all the better. More companies choosing to use it = more work for everyone = more developers coming into the community - it's one giant feedback loop. I probably refer 2-3 clients a week to post job ads on groups.drupal.org/australia to source developers because we can't take them on ourselves.
If there's a move towards some kind of unified Australian Drupal committee, count us in. I'd like to see the companies whose businesses rely on Drupal being awesome (like us), putting in the time, expertise and funding so we can present Drupal in its own right at tradeshows, conferences and the like so the awareness level is boosted across the board.
From our perspective in
From our perspective in Melbourne we're only just starting to get some structure and process, thanks to realityloop and others. This is a bit of a leap from our "drink beer, chat about Drupal and Apple" habits.
So if something national was to start now, it would have to be very sensitive to the fact that most of our focus/effort is still local. That's basically why I don't get into the committee/collaboration discussions. Mostly we just need sensitivity to how our actions impact other regions - even for us as we focus on Melbourne and not regional Victoria.
That said, it's great what's happening in Melbourne, we're building a culture of solid local events. I look forward to next year discussions will start happening sooner rather than later.
Agree and Excited :D
I agree i have taken Drupal into corporates and part of my due diligence with proposing Drupal over another CMS is be community support as well as the number of support companies and freelancers available, it is important for me as i start and initiate projects but rarely around for ongoing support and maintenance as for my its about opening corporates up to the power of community driven code.
So when i have taken Drupal into larger companies im like well when your staff have issues or problems here is a community that you can take your questions to, user groups to ask questions too etc... so for me Drupal is a better choice because of the strong community :D
There are some camps coming up this year... Brisbane Camp, (maybe something in Melbourne cause i want an excuse to come and visit :D ) as well as the Sydney Camp (i have asked rcross to post to confirm name change etc but from my end the name change is a given) So maybe we can use these events for some of us to get together and discuss, we can then take any decisions to the greater community and Drupal Association etc for comments feedback etc.
I think it is important for us to have some kind of loose structure in Australia, and i believe that this structure can follow other great FOSS and Open Source initiatives in Australia and I am also positive that if we ask our FOSS Cousins from Linux Conf and Open Source Developers Conference they can lend some advice and support. And of course anything we do i feel must follow Drupal Association international standards as we are part of the greater Drupal Community and want to ensure that cohesion.
Anyways enough said i guess on this thread, at the end of it I feel that we are all on the same page :D and as stated above im excited about where Drupal is going, im also excited as an Open Source and LAMP enthusiast to see the reach that we are making into all levels of Business within Australia, and that we are helping enforce what we have all known for a long time, that community driven projects offer a level of support and cohesion that adds to a projects ongoing longevity and success :D
me so bad
ok i am really bad i did forget to add the most important thing.... that is that we have input from all states and also all people who run smaller user groups etc... so not just NSW, VIC, QLD, but SA, WA, Tasmania and NT....
so me bad for seeming east coast in mentioned Drupal Camps as we need all states input :D