I'm interested in holding discussions about how and in what kind of direction an Open Source Drupal effort in Japan should be organized. Part of the reason why I formed the Tokyo Drupal User Group against opposition was because whatever I tried to suggest or get going as a Drupal newbie and voluteering organizer, I was being told to get back in place. English is my first language and I am experienced in venture capital and M&A businesses (as well as IT). So as far as starting something goes, that's what I specialize in. And I also speak and write fluent Japanese to an extent.
To my knowledge there is no organization, planning or any group in Japan that shares an organizational goal. That has been the primary reason for lacking in motivation to get involved with a Drupal community in Japan for me. Starting from day one, I've been told that's not the open source way, now I only say to some of those who don't wish to openly start an organized organization in Japan that they abide by their words. I volunteered to do some planning, and was told to take a hike because nobody put me in charge, true and yes I was volunteering. I'm not interested in being in charge. I'm interested in creating and preparing environments in Tokyo.
For these reasons, I would like to ask those who are interested in creating a Japanese Drupal environment through PLANNING and ORGANIZATION, to join in on this discussion at the Tokyo Drupal User Group. And maybe from those discussions we may form a decent committee that can make the right kinds of decisions and form a community.
Interested in meetups? Go right ahead and suggest some locations and dates. You do not have to be a Drupal expert, frankly I think the technology details can come later.
Best regards,
Scott Fujikawa
日本語で簡単に上記の文章を翻訳します。日本語にうまく翻訳できるか解りませんが、日本でDrupalはボランチィアの組織や計画を通してどう環境を整えていけるかディスカッションをしませんか。仲良しグループみたいなイメージでは無くもう少しプロの考え方で、プロが興味持つようなサークル作りができたらいいなという事をテーマに話し合いや、できれば少しづつ独自の委員会みたいな集まりを作りたいと思います。
宜しくお願いします。
藤川晋作
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Hello List,
I am living in Kanagawa Prefecture and not in Tokyo, I think it will be OKay to join to Tokyo Drupal User Group. And I will attend this kind of meeting at after five, not working time. Thank you.
Cheers,
Kazu Hodota
kazu Hodota Gennai3 Corporation email: hodota@gennai3.co.jp
Hi there, I'd be interested
Hi there, I'd be interested in participating. I work primarily with Drupal in Tokyo. I'd love to meet other developers or those just interested in Drupal. What sort of goals were you thinking for a Drupal user community in Tokyo?
I remember there was a meetup planned before the earthquake on the subject of theming. I think that might be a fun and educational meetup if others are still interested.
As for timing, weekend afternoons work well for me.
Thanks!
If "Drupal in Japan" then:
Hi everyone,
I'm interested in participating in the discussion, though I won't be able to attend every meetup in Tokyo, since I'm living in Hamamatsu, Shizuoka prefecture.
Yes, basically we (if I may speak of "we") just need to organize/manage human resources to move forward. Everything else will follow automatically.
Thanks for initiating this thread, Scott! :)
おはようございます/こんにちは。
静岡県浜松市に住んでいるので東京でのオフ会に毎回参加することはできないと思いますが、ディスカッションには興味があります。
確かにわたしたち（という言い方が許されるのであれば…）が前進するために必要なのは、基本的に人的資源（ヒューマン リソース）を組織化/管理することだけだと思います。ほかはみんなひとりでについてくるでしょう。
藤川さん、このスレッドを立ててくださってありがとうございます（^-^）。
TDUG site for starters. 第一号プロジェクトとしてサイト製作はどうでしょう。
This is probably like the tenth time I'm suggesting this in a Drupal group. First time at TDUG but I think it's gonna happen this time.
Do you guys think starting a site for the Tokyo Drupal User Group is a good idea?
I think it would be a good place to start. First we can get to know each other a bit by collaborating and planning together in English and Japanese. Some of us can show off our skills, for example in Zen theming and maybe present it as part of our portfolio when applying for projects or jobs. I know I'll learn a lot from such a project. Some of us might actually move on to bigger projects.
And I think marketing Drupal in Japan should be one of the main objectives or a theme in any general Drupal community. Since we're all interested in building sites, and most likely the first thing that comes to our minds when trying to market anything would be to build a site. Then why not build a site?
This would also be one good activity to not only market Drupal but a good place to encourage others to get involved as well. And would definitely be a good reason for us to meet up. (Eventually we'll plan more activities together, I really want people to sponsor our meetups so we can get some free pizza.... )
Please feel free to contact as many people as you can who might be interested.
東京Drupalユーザグループ（TDUG）のサイト製作に興味のある方、協力したい人達、そういう人達をご存知の方、グループのサイトや勉強会スポンサーなどになりたい人達は是非ご連絡下さい（スポンサーを決める時はグループ内で一応検討させて頂きます）。お待ちしてます。とりあえず、グループで何か活動できるようにサイトを皆さんと作ろうと考えています。こういう活動を通してお互い知り合いになったりそれが仕事と繋がったりといろいろあると思います。どうでしょう？ご意見お待ちしてます。
東京の大学で講義室などを貸してくれる人達などご存知であれば是非教えてください（僕は東大近いけど慶応が好きです）。宜しくお願いします。
Hello there.
Wow, that project is so interesting.
I want to cooperate of the TDUG.
I am university student of keio, so i will inquire can we borrow a classroom.
I will report that result here.
Jun Kawasaki
おお、素晴らしいプロジェクトですね。
ぜひご協力させて頂ければと思います。
私は慶應大学の学生なので講義室を借りることができるか大学側に確認しておきます。
ただ、講義室は学生団体じゃないと借りれない・・・ような事が書いてあった気がするのでまだわからないです。
また、確認が取れ次第こちらでご報告します！
河崎純真
宜しくお願いします。
申出ありがとうございます。
現在まだ計画を練ってる段階でありますがDrupalマーケティングの一貫として東京にある各大学に連絡を取り、セミナーを複数の学校でコーディネートしたり、Drupalを各大学に売り込みにいくというような活動を学生さん達の間でも可能にしてくれたらと思っています。そういうプレゼンスキルや複数団体のコーディネーションというような教育的な要素を含め各大学や学生さん達から協力を得られるよう今後活動を進めていきたいと考えています。宜しくお願いします。
Thanks. As part of the Drupal marketing efforts of TDUG, I'm currently planning on how to contact all the Universities in Tokyo, coordinate seminars and multiple entity events. It'd be great if students and Universities could help out and even start their own groups. It'd be great experience for the students in brushing up on their presentation and organizational skills and I look forward to initiating these plans. Best regards.
I think making a website is a
I think making a website is a great idea. I'd love to help!
大学ではありませんが
弊社のセミナー室でよければ協力できますよ。
株式会社KDDIウェブコミュニケーションズのセミナー室です。
http://www.supreme-web.net/%E5%8F%82%E5%8A%A0%E6%A1%88%E5%86%85/
Hello
It is possible by our company seminar room.
My company is KDDI Web Comunications.
http://www.supreme-web.net/%E5%8F%82%E5%8A%A0%E6%A1%88%E5%86%85/
ありがとうございます。
ありがとうございます。今後とも宜しくお願いします。
藤川晋作
Kudos to Scott for trying to
Kudos to Scott for trying to get this going again. I had similar ideas but let them go b/c of all the crap going on with the group not too long ago.
I think a site would be fantastic! Any idea where we'd be able to host? At the moment I think using someone's free year of EC2 with their Amazon account works well.
I have a FreeBSD VPS account
I have a FreeBSD VPS account which is currently tragically unused and already all pre-configured for hosting Drupal stuff. I could set up a new site in a jiffy.
The Boise Drupal Guy!
I think you and @frognation
I think you and @frognation should talk about it, b/c he offered to host the site for us as well.
Thanks Garrett : and please keep us updated on talks
Please do keep us updated if you guys happen to talk. One way to look at it might be to compare the technical specs on the servers.
Also a server that is not pre-configured, may not all be that inconvenient since we might have a chance to discuss what it takes to configure the server for Drupal.
From the community perspective, I also think it's always good to have a back up strategy.
Best regards,
Scott
p.s. Garrett, I have a feeling you might have a lot to say about the most interesting Drupal sites around. Please do share us your views on what kind of site you think we might want to build.
I can volunteer my Amazon
I can volunteer my Amazon account. I'd like to learn how to set up a site with Amazon EC2 :) I am used to running sites on a VPS - would the learning curve be difficult?
It's not too difficult. I
It's not too difficult. I will say I would def. take this as an opportunity to learn more about server maintenance/hardening from someone more experienced ;-) hint hint.
EC2 is not hard at all, if you have experience with VPSes then you're pretty much set. The environment I setup was Ubuntu w/ Apache, PHP-FPM, MySQL, Memcached, and APC. I tried Nginx, but I couldn't figure it out and there was a lack of documentation, so that would work as well.
Great! Can't wait. I always
Great! Can't wait. I always hear great things about the service (except for the recent outage of course). We have LAMP setup with APC as well.
@frognation @filmoreha Let's go ahead. Thanks in advance.
Amazon EC2 sounds good, though I'm a bit unfamiliar with it. I've heard about it before and feel fine to give this a try.
Some of my concerns for taking further steps would be how the site would be managed long term. How transparent can site management become? what can be done if someone else (or many) wants in? I'd prefer to steer clear of rigid strategies or strategies that would lead to rigid organizations or site content.
Or on the contrary, maybe the situation calls for just straight forward action.
Anyways, lets go ahead and see what comes along. And make sure we keep an open mind and not lose sight of the Drupal marketing and community building goals.
Sound OK?
p.s. While we do this, I think it would also be a good idea to stay ready to do presentations or lectures. Zen theme definitely comes to mind, and the sample sites I have in mind are http://www.runningschoolq.jp/ and http://acquia.com/ , fyi.
Just to be sure / 確認させてください
Every suggestion sounds great! I'd love to be part of the project (of creating the website), though I'm not sure if I'm "qualified".
It would be nice if you could make clear whether...
A. you'd like to have "as many people as you can who might be interested" and create the website under the name of TDUG first within a conceptual framework of "Drupal in Japan", or ...
B. you basically would like to create the TDUG site, working only with those who reside in Tokyo, or ...
C. something else. :)
The answer would help all those who are living outside Tokyo to think what to think.;)
Thanks a lot!
どのご提案も素晴らしいですね。（Web サイトを作るという）プロジェクトに是非、参加したいと思うのですが、「参加資格」があるのかどうかわかりません。
次のうちのどれにあたるか教えていただけたら幸いです。
A. 「興味があるかもしれない人をできるだけ多く」集め、“日本での Drupal”という枠組みの中で、さしあたって TDUG の名前で Web サイトを作りたい
B. 基本的に TDUG の Web サイトを東京都在住のみなさんだけで作りたい
C. それ以外（^-^）。
回答がはっきりすれば、東京以外に住んでいる人たちもどう対応したらいいのか決めやすくなるでしょう。
どうぞ、よろしくお願いします。
東京都在住限定ではありません。
東京都在住限定ではありませんのでBではありません。
しかし全国なのか？と聞かれたら名前からしてそうとは言いきれませんし.. 例えば具体的な打ち合わせをするためミーティングをして、全国が対象だからその場で物事が決められない状況なども事項にも寄りますが避けたいこともあるでしょう。
目的の一つは、はっきりしてますので（日本でDrupalをマーケティングする事）、その範囲内で自己判断してもらうというのはどうでしょう？個人的には日本全国から協力してくれる人達はTDUGで大歓迎だと思っています。しかしスピード判断が優先される時もあるでしょう。We are going to play this by ear. If you're with us, you are with us. 来る者は拒みません。
お礼 / Thanks
藤川さん、ご説明いただきありがとうございます。では是非ご一緒させていただきたいと思います（^^）。
Thanks a lot for the explanation, Scott! So, I'd love to join you guys. :)
Site Domain : サイトのドメイン？
Does anyone have any suggestions on how the domain should be secured? How should we go about sharing any costs? What domain should we get?
The TDUG organization is also looking for more organizers, fyi. We're going to look into Twitter, Facebook, Mixi, and more.
ドメインをどう取得するか、どうすべきかアイディアありますか？
金銭的な事がしょうじた時はどうしましょう？
現在TDUGはオーガナイザ（プロジェクトマネージャー）も募集してるので宜しくお願いします。Twitter、Facebook、Mixiなどいろいろ手をつけようと考えています。
Onamae is the major domain
Onamae is the major domain registrar in Japan. Easily secured there. Though they do tend to send out a lot of ad mail. Only domain I can think of is tokyo-dug.com though thats not terribly creative or all encompassing ;-)
Onamae.comは日本で一番大きいドメインレギストリと思うが、あちらでいいでしょう。ただ、報告メールが非常に多い。。。tokyo-dug.comしか考えられないけど、ちょっとね。。。
Can't really comment on sharing costs, since it depends how we move forward. For example Domain + VPS (EC2 or other) or Domain + Drupal Gardens or Domain + Sponsored Hosting or Domain + someone hosts the site for us on their existing hosting plan and we offer up couple hundred yet a month for bandwidth. Ideas?
コストシェアリングに関して現在コメントできないですね。まずどのように進むか決めないと。例えばドメイン+VPSかドメイン+Drupal Gardensとか。
I would suggest
I would suggest tokyodrupal.com :) Whatever name we decide on, I can chip in for whoever is purchasing or I can just purchase it, either way. I'd love to take the opportunity to learn how to set up a Drupal site on Amazon's web services but I also have a lot of unused resources on my personal VPS that we can use if for some reason we don't want to go with Amazon.
tokyodrupal works for me. if
tokyodrupal works for me.
if you already have an environment setup, why don't we just use that, then if we ever want/need to move we can it later. it would be faster ;-)
other comments?
OK, we can use mine :)
OK, we can use mine :)
SEO：tokyo and drupal
I agree having the words "tokyo" and "drupal" in the domain would score points on SEO.
But I'd like to take some time considering a domain like drupal-tokyo.org but can't really think up a good reason why it should be either way around. Are there consequences to having hyphens in the domain?
If anyone can think of a reason why it should be tokyodrupal, drupaltokyo, drupal-tokyo etc.. please feel free to comment and let us know your preferences or styles in Japan or maybe the US etc..
ドメインに "tokyo" と "drupal"が入ってるのは賛成です。ドメインをtokyodrupal, drupaltokyo, drupal-tokyo.orgなどのいずれかに決めるとしたらどれがいいのか理由や好み、日本オープンソースや海外Drupalコミュなどの傾向、SEO的な理由などご存知であれば教えてください。宜しくお願いします。
Drupal in Japan
Jrupal?
I don't think stressing over
I don't think stressing over SEO for the domain name is going to be very productive. What of sites like acquia or lullabot? They simply have an interesting name, granted they each have turned said names into recognized brands.
Between tokyodrupal and drupaltokyo (hyphenated or otherwise) I prefer the former. Seems catchier. That being said, +1 for jrupal! Very nice word play!
Some notes before I forget... / 忘れないうちに書きとめておきます…
1. Domain name
From my "two cents" I put one in jrupal.org and the other in drupal-tokyo.org.:) I just like the order like "Audi USA", "BMW Japan" and so forth. Especially on larger events such as Open Source Conference you can then find all Drupal groups in one block within the exhibitor list (provided there are more than one group and they all follow the same schema).
.com would be a commercial site, at least officially, right?
2. Hyphens and underscores in URLs
This might be slightly off-topic, but there is a short video from Google (ca. one minute):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3SFVfDIS5k
3. Content and site structure
Content of a website is more important than its domain name. ;)
Here just some ideas that came to my mind right now: news, blogs, event calendar, show case, video tutorial, tips and tricks, interviews, workshops, trainings, our own distributions, Podcast.
Should it be one bilingual site or two separate sites with the same look and feel? For visitors separate sites would be easier to read. In English, however, there are already enough information available on the Web, and the gap between English and Japanese - in terms of the amount of information on Drupal - is just huge. So we definitely need to reduce the gap.
There are just lots to talk. :)
Good night
1. ドメイン名
１人で２票投じていいのかどうかわかりませんが１票を jrupal.org、もう１票を drupal-tokyo.org に入れたいと思います（^-^;）。“Audi USA”、“BMW Japan”といった順序の名前が好きなので。特にオープン ソース カンファレンスなど大きめのイベントでは、こういう名前にすると Drupal グループが（複数ある場合）参加者リスト内でひとつにまとまります（もちろん、みんな同じパターンで名前を付けた場合に限りますが）。
.com は少なくとも公には商業サイトですよね？
2. URL 内のハイフンとアンダースコア
トピックから少し外れますが、Google からの短いビデオがあります（約 1 分。英語。ハイフンは単語の区切りとして扱われるがアンダースコア“_”は違うという話）：
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3SFVfDIS5k
3. コンテンツとサイトの構造
Web サイトのコンテンツはドメイン名より大事です（^-^;）。
今、頭に浮かんだことを並べてみます：ニュース、イベント カレンダー、ショー ケース、ビデオ チュートリアル、Drupal を使うコツ（裏技なども）、インタビュー、トレーニング、独自のディストリビューション、Podcast。
1 つの 2 カ国語のサイトにするか、同じルック＆フィールを備えた 2 つのサイトにするか。閲覧者にとっては別々のサイトにした方が読みやすいでしょう。ただ、英語ではすでに Web 上に十分な情報があり、Drupal に関する情報量という点では英語と日本語の間に巨大なギャップがあります。このため、何としてでもそのギャップを減らす必要があります。
話し合うことはかなりありますね（^-^）。
おやすみなさい
Content
I think we should prioritize what we can get out in the short term. Once we get going, we can start thinking about bigger things.
I personally think News, Blog, Tips and Tricks, Tutorials (no necessarily video) are a good place to start. From there we can work in Workshops/Meetups (of course an Event Calendar/List), Interviews, Showcases, Distros, Video/Podcasts.
I think a bilingual site will be easier to maintain.
コンテンツについてショートタームにできる物を優先した方がいいと思います。サイトを立ち上がって、ちょっとスムーズになったら、またもうちょっと大きいイディアを考え場いい。
自分がニュース、ブログ、Drupal を使うコツ、チュトリアル（ビデオじゃなくて）等から始めれば良いと思います。そっからワークショップやミーテアップ（もちろんイベントキャランダーやリスト）、インタービュー、ショーケース等を追加すれば良い。
バイリンガルサイトのほうがメンテンが楽だと思います。
Things to consider :
Some of the things I'm concerned are : (keeping in mind of the marketing and community building goals)
Flagship : The site must look cool towards Japanese users. We should be able to boast about how cool it is during seminars and the site should be designed in such a way that it would help Japanese Drupalers to convince people and companies that Drupal is it! I believe the site http://www.runningschoolq.jp/ has all the trends of the Japanese web publishing styles, not only that, the whole site was designed to build a community, so I think there is something to look into Drupal or not. The TDUG site will function as a flagship for the group, not only that it can serve as a flagship for each of us.
Educational : Well Drupal.org is one of the top sites to get some Drupal info. Definitely want to look into how Drupal.org goes about distributing information as obviously they have marketing and community building in mind. It's also loaded with educational material.
Functional as a community building tool. The site should definitely be complimentary to what we have at groups.drupal.org. We will probably also utilize Twitter in every way possible to keep members informed on any updates on the projects. We'll also reach out to IT and Drupal people on other sites like mixi, facebook etc..
I won't be writing much Japanese for this site, but Japanese will be the main site language and English secondary (to me the English version might as well as be the development area). In English I'll probably rough draft things if necessary.
Let's make sure that we share a common view on what's needed and show that Drupal can conform to the needs and styles in Japan.
Wiki everyone? for site specification talks.
I think the time to start a brainstorming wiki for detail specification talks is nearing. Feel free to start it right up.
Also I will continuously be crunching information posted in this thread. Some areas of our planning may take weeks. Some just days. Let's be patient.
Between getting an idea on most of the content to be posted, how we'll theme design and secure what domain, my plate is full.
It may be very insightful to us if you could let us know on how you usually like to get a site designed and developed time being.
I also think we should start a thread every time we consider a new Drupal functionality and thoroughly discuss it.
If you'd like to start new threads for example why the new site needs a blog section etc.. feel free to start it up.
p.s. site logos, site colors how?
If you haven't joined the Tokyo Drupal User Group (TDUG) please do so now and don't forget to post the threads to members in other groups who might be interested.
It should be noted that the
It should be noted that the TDUG is listed as Japan Tokyo
翻訳：translation
テクニカルなディスカッションやどういう機能がサイトに追加されるべきかという具体的な事に関しては新しいスレッドの作成お願いします。例えばブログ機能がサイトに追加されるべきという理由などは他のいちスレッドとしてまんべんに話し合いたいと思います（他の機能追加提案に関しても同じく）。
後、このスレッドにある内容だけでも決断を下していく方向に持っていくのは事項によっては数週間、数日と容易でない事もあるでしょうから気長に考えていこうと思います。淡々と決めていけるところは勝手ながらそうさせて頂きます。
後、メンバーさんそれぞれがサイトを作る事に関してどういう行程で開発を進めていくのか、いろんなメンバーがいますしコーディネートをしていく上で大変参考になると思うのでよろしかったらご紹介下さい（これも別スレッドがいいのかな？）。
p.s. サイトロゴ、色？how?
TDUGに参加されてない方は参加お願いします！
count me in
Hi.
I live in Tokyo and about to use drupal as the baseline for an idea we have.
would love to join.
cheers,
Meni.
To note : let's come up with a domain soon. ドメインに焦点を置く。
Let's decide on a site domain as a group and make it a mild priority for now. Discuss this further here if we need to. If we don't receive any more feedback for maybe a week we could go ahead and decide by ourselves.
With regards to how to secure the domain, I've asked a third party with Drupal community credentials if they are willing to secure the domain for us. If not I think everyone in the group is fine with securing the domain so we'll decide then. Frankly I prefer zero risk strategies in these areas so I'd prefer if the person who'd secure the domain join the group and operate on the organizer capacity, and/or maybe I'd like to meet them in person as well.
To note I am also open to discussions on updating the current group name TDUG, changing the TDUG g.d.o url (e.g. g.d.o./japan-tokyo to g.d.o/tokyo-drupal etc.. japan-tokyo ) in conjunction to the domain registration talks. But I won't be inclined to change things unless they absolutely make sense.
今のところサイトドメインを何にするか決める事を優先してここで話し合いを続けましょう。ディスカッションに一週間ほどさらに新しい意見が追記されなければ私たちだけで決めていいと思います。
ドメインを誰が登録するかに関しては、透明性を最大に追求する意味で海外のDrupalコミュで知られてる人に頼んでみましたが、もし無理であればここのメンバーの誰でも問題はないでしょうし、その時どうするか決めましょう。しかしどうちらかと言うと、TDUGでオーガナイザになってくれる方や一度お会いしてる人達にそういう運営的な責任はallocateしたいとは理想として持っています。
後はドメインを何にするかというディスカッションの関連項目としてTDUGのグループ名、g.d.oでの現在のURL変更検討をしても良いと考えています。しかし、明らかにさらにいいグループの命名やg.d.o/urlなどの提案がなされない限り変更は検討しようとは考えていません。
宜しくお願いします。
私も参加したいです。 I want to join the TDUG.
TDUGに私も参加させて下さい。
それとドメイン、サーバーに関して金銭面で折り合いが付かない場合などは弊社のサーバーを貸せるかもしれないので、その時は相談してもらえればと思います。
http://www.cpi.ad.jp/
よろしくお願いします。
received feedback : フィードバック
I received feedback from the Drupal third party I requested whether they were willing to register a domain for us and maybe get involved. The reply was that they'd like to decline due to a very tight schedule. So it looks like we'll handle the domain registration ourselves. Part of the feedback was some advice and info, stating that a domain containing the words "Drupal" is subject to copyright procedures with Dries Buytaert IF the site is published for business purposes. So it is suggested that that would deter some attempts at foul play with regards to personalizing non-profit Drupal community sites for personal gain. Also I agree that whom ever registers the site should openly promise to the community that the domain they are registering belongs to the community and that the site will be published in the interests of Drupal. I will also offer to register the site, if it comes to that.
Drupalコミュニティーの第三者にドメインを登録してくれるか連絡したところ、フィードバックが返ってきました。仕事とプライベートのスケジュールの関係で今回はコミュ参加も含めて辞退させて頂くとの事でした。Drupalという言葉が含まれてるドメインは商業用に用いる時はDries Buytaertさんの許可が必要との事で、私物化を通しての商業利用などのリスクは軽減されるとのアドバイスなどを頂きました。後は私も同意ですが、ドメインを登録する者はそのドメインがDrupal community に属すこと、またそのサイトがコミュニティの発展のために使われるものであることを、スレッドで公的に約束してもらおうと考えています。後、必要とあらば私がドメイン登録しても構いません。ようするにドメイン登録はTDUG内で実行させて頂きます。具体的な事は来週金曜日頃まで考えて話を続けさせてもらおうと考えていますので、それまでに言う事があれば述べてください。宜しくお願いします。
Menu & Content discussions started : メニューとコンテンツ話合いスタート！
http://groups.drupal.org/node/154939
Site Modules & Features Discussions : モジュールや機能
Drupalの場合、どういう機能を提供したいかとモジュールの話から考えていく事も可能だと思い、機能的なスレッドをスタートしたいと思います。どの機能やモジュールを追加するかでサイトの基本コンテンツ内容も変わってきますので、今から話し合っても問題は無いと思います。ここのコンテンツスレッドと平行してモジュールリストの作成もいずれ始めていけたら効率的だと思います。いずれwikiでモジュールリストが作成できる方向で考えていきましょう。
I thought discussing what features and Drupal modules to add to the site would definitely be part of identifying a Drupal site content. So I'll start this thread so that we can discuss what features and Drupal modules we think might be cool to have. Eventually I'm assuming a module list would be constructed at a wiki.
http://groups.drupal.org/node/155224
Some notes in the rainy season/梅雨のメモ
To prevent the project of creating website from fading out...;)
1. Languages and discussions
At the risk of sounding bossy, I'd like to encourage you all to express your opinions here. Otherwise we'd have to register our project as an "endangered species".;)
If you speak and write Japanese to a certain level and you write a post only in English, it would mean either it concerns only the English speakers or that you are ignoring all the Japanese-only speakers (even without intent).
However, if you are not comfortable with your Japanese, it would be completely okay to write only English here. This is not a place to demonstrate our language skill. ;) The point is that we do discuss here.
2. Names
If everyone is okay with keeping the group name Tokyo Drupal User Group, maybe we can begin discussing domain name?
Anything else? Let us hear your opinions!
3. Site specification and workflow
A single bilingual site and two linguistically separated sites have completely different structure. Even for the single-site solution there are at least several possibilities to present contents in two languages. Therefore, I think looking at the whole picture first before its parts would be the way for us to reduce wasting time.
Besides that, as long as we don't even have any perspective on getting contents, it wouldn't make any sense to talk about visual structure of the site.
So, you professionals, please speak out and tell us how you would get started in our situation! :)
4. Content
What would you like to write? What kind of information would you like to have on our website?
I created a thread for "Getting started with Drupal (provisional title)", just to give it a try.
http://groups.drupal.org/node/156149
It's currently in Japanese only, because there are already lots of introductory information in English on the Web. However, if you think we should create an English version of the online booklet as well, just let me know.
5. Drupal sites with inspiring design
Just for your information:
Drupal Design Camp Berlin
http://drupaldesigncamp.net/
drupalmuseum
http://www.drupalmuseum.com/
Drupal Lovers
http://www.drupallovers.com/
Disqo - an education community:
http://www.disqo.org/
Another sort of education:
http://www.radeducation.org.uk/
Dandelion Wood (Based on Fusion-Theme)
http://www.dandelionwood.co.uk/
A bunch of other Fusion-based Drupal sites are to find at:
http://fusiondrupalthemes.com/forum/showcase-your-site
Web サイトを作るというプロジェクトがフェードアウトしてしまうのを防ぐため発言します（^-^;）。
1. 言語とディスカッション
偉そうに聞こえるかもしれませんが、みなさん、ここでもっとご意見を表明していただけないでしょうか？さもないと、わたしたちのプロジェクトを「絶滅危惧種」に登録する必要が出てきちゃいます（^-^;）。
ある程度、英語を話したり書いたりできるのに日本語でだけ投稿したら、それは日本語を話す人たちだけに関係した内容である、または（そんなつもりはなかったとしても）英語だけを話すみなさんを無視していることになります。
しかし、英語が苦手な方は、もちろん日本語だけ書いても全然構わないでしょう。ここは語学力を披露する場所ではありません（^-^）。ポイントは、わたしたちがここでちゃんと話し合うということです。
2. 名前
グループ名は Tokyo Drupal User Group のままでいいということであれば、ドメイン名の話し合いを始めていいのではないでしょうか。
ほかにはどんなのがいいでしょう？みなさんのご意見を聞かせてください！
3. サイトの仕様とワークフロー
「1 つのバイリンガル サイト」と「言語ごとに別れた 2 つのサイト」とでは構造が全く変わります。単独サイトのソリューションに決めたとしても、二カ国語のコンテンツを提示するには少なくともいくつかの可能性があります。このため、まず全体像をとらえてから各部分に入る方が無駄になる時間を減らせるのではないかと思います。
また、コンテンツがそろう見込みさえも立っていないうちは、サイトの視覚的な構造について話し合っても意味がないでしょう。
そういうことなので、プロフェッショナルのみなさん、この状況だったらどうスタートするか、この際、是非、教えてください！（^o^）
4. コンテンツ
みなさん、どんなことを書きたいですか？わたしたちの Web サイトにどんな情報が欲しいですか？
試しに「Drupal を始めてみよう（仮題）」のスレッドを作ってみました。
http://groups.drupal.org/node/156149
5. インスピレーションを与えてくれる Drupal サイト
単なる参考情報です：
Drupal Design Camp Berlin
http://drupaldesigncamp.net/
drupalmuseum
http://www.drupalmuseum.com/
Drupal Lovers
http://www.drupallovers.com/
Disqo - 教育コミュニティー：
http://www.disqo.org/
違った種類の教育：
http://www.radeducation.org.uk/
Dandelion Wood (Fusion テーマをベースにしたサイト)
http://www.dandelionwood.co.uk/
同じく Fusion を使ったサイトが次のページにたくさんまとめられています：
http://fusiondrupalthemes.com/forum/showcase-your-site
Nishio-san, Thank You.
Nishio-san, Thank You.
I would like to re-start talks on Monday next week. I will bring up some issues then and wait for feedback for a couple days and if nothing comes up I would like to execute. So if there's anything to be said, please join us. Best regards.
西尾さん、ありがとうございます。
来週月曜日に再度いくつかのポイントを挙げたいと考えています。その後数日様子を見てフィードバックがなければプロジェクトを進めていく予定です。西尾さんのいうとおりそれまでに、いろいろ参加したい方たちのフィードバックをお待ちしてます。
+1 For "Jrupal.org"
For two reasons:
a) rule of thumb is the shorter the number of characters in the domain name, the better for usability.
b) allows for organic expansion of the group to other places than Tokyo e.g. a Yokohama
or Osaka branch may want to start up. Better to keep it all under a broad "Japan" umbrella.
Registering a domain through GoDaddy or similar shouldn't cost more than 10 bucks for the first year.
If there is a PayPal "Donate" button on the site sidebar, any costs can easily be recouped
from an active membership I would imagine.
Drupal of course has good multilingual contributed module support so there is absolutely
no reason to have separate websites for English/Japanese. It's just extra overhead.
I'd like to see some networking events in Tokyo.
Maybe invite some guests to make brief presentations about Drupal
or other things that are happening in the Japanese Web Environment
e.g. Japanese ecommerce issues, local design trends, Japanese web marketing
tips etc.
Subscribing.
Discussion on specifics are in TDUG now.
TWD, thanks for joining in on the conversation.
Specific talks of domains etc.. have been moved to TDUG discussions. I just realized that I hadn't posted the link here, but assuming anyone interested might had already joined the group didn't feel the need to do so. We're currently closing in on the discussions with regards to domains, voting etc..
PLEASE DO NOT DO DOMAIN RESEARCH ON GoDaddy.. Thank you (they are a naughty bunch..).
"Specific talks of domains
"Specific talks of domains etc.. have been moved to TDUG discussions."
Do you have a link for that?
links:
http://groups.drupal.org/japan-tokyo
Help and info on how to get data for japanese stations and train
Hi
I am have a site built for me using drupal. I need the data for train stations. I am hoping someone can introduce to that information or can sell to me.. Any help of info is appreciated
chris
Railway Stations in Japan
Hi Chris,
This still needs a lot of clean-up work and isn't complete, but it's a start.
https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?docid=1qFMYH61WhdJmPKX5kG...
Cheers,
Soren
Maximize the learning
I like to join the group. I speak few basic japanese but i understand well in English. What is the complete address ? I am going to japan this coming Feb. 2012
Dear headstartcms
Hi,headstartcms.
My complete address do you want to know?
I live in Sapporo.
Do you know Sapporo?
Ibaraki Prefecture.
I will be in Ibaraki Prefecture this coming Feb.14 and it seems Drupal has not yet been introduce on this area. I would like to have a organization in Ibaraki prefecture educating people who are interested to learn since i have a good background in teaching. Need support from web-developers in Ibaraki prefecture .
Hi! Suke
How are you doing ? I check the map and it is far from my town in Ibaraki.
Thanks for the email xbro!
Xbro i already read your email. I sent a reply.