Posted by CrystalWilliams on March 7, 2009 at 10:00pm
Start:
2009-03-10 18:30 - 19:30 America/New_York Event type:
Online meeting (eg. IRC meeting)
Weekly Design Group Chat
On IRC at #drupal-design on freenode.
Topics to cover:
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Review the Design Issue Queue: http://groups.drupal.org/node/19864 and move any agreed-upon items to "Vetted" or delete those that are already in progress in the official Issue Queue. Reminder: this is a pre-Issue Queue-Submittable list of the changes we agree on.
- Discussion of 'CSS in Core' issues
Tasks to Begin:
- Identify functional UI CSS from system.css, node.css etc first and move it to a separate file / set of files per component (up for discussion which files we need)
- Take a hard look what's let's of default.css and system.css and decide what to do with it
Ping me at either cleverclevergirl on the #drupal and #drupal-design chats on IRC or at crystalrwilliams on Skype if you want to add to this agenda.
Comments
I'd like to try a scheduled chat on twitter
We also talked about having a scheduled chat on twitter similar to #journchat (http://twitter.com/journchat) Journalists get together every week and have a hashtag discussion on twitter. It'd be real time, archived and people can add to it at anytime. Plus we can post relevant links. Maybe we can try both?
-=Mason Wendell
twitter @canarymason
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I think it's a great idea.
If anything, we should try to schedule it earlier in the day so that folks in Europe can participate easily, and folks in the US can multitask.
We have quite a few options for chat, so we should try to get our acts together on this:
1) Acrobat Connect Pro while the call is going on.
2) IRC
3) Twitter #drupaldesign
4) ...
Maybe a pre-conference on Tuesday mornings would be great, and it would refine an agenda for our con calls.
@modulist
coudnt we a bit less US centric ?
So theres a bunch of us who wont be able, or would pay loads of € / $ to be able to interact in a progress call, so could we be a bit less us centric and let the europeans in.
I think it would be better to use skype for these talks - or am i completely wrong here?
Who are gonna create an agenda for the first talk ?
/morten.dk king of rock
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/morten.dk king of rock
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There we Americans go again!
yeah, the King has got a point here.
i was thinking if we should just use the irc channel for these discussions... so that we could have a record of them (and post them online for posterity. the prob that i see with that is the lack of recent chat history available to late comers. The twitter idea above is good, but you only have a limited # of characters to talk in... hmmmmmm maybe that isn't so bad?
Also, in irc, we can post links ... which will no doubt be referenced in conversation.
my 2 pence
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Ah, another thing
We should set it at BMT to avoid those pesky mishapps
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yes, that would be the right thing to do
Skype is fine. Or IRC.
Now that core developers given us a venue it would be best to not to exclude Europeans (or any other themers) who wish to participate.
well you can try but then we
well you can try but then we have to invade you again and take back the vinland!
we need to make sure that were gonna get the European Community in on this - im thinking bout setting up a track for the comming Drupalcamp in copenhagen in late may - but i have to check it with the rest of the dk community
/morten.dk king of rock
morten.dk | geek Royale
/morten.dk king of rock
morten.dk | geek Royale
drupal-design on IRC is empty and available
Best to take advantage of it. I don't want to risk an invasion!!!
We'll be at another conference
We'll be at another conference during this but there's a chance we can join the call.
My vote goes for IRC
As long as everyone is familiar enough with IRC to get on, it gets my vote as well.
It's easily loggable, text-based, easy to connect to on every platform, easy to use while multitasking, and it will help establish the new channel as the place for all things d4d related.
I'm not much interested in voice or video chat (this could get really overwhelming and hard to follow if the calls are big, and there's no text log). The twitter idea is ok in theory, but those of us who have a decent number of non Drupaler followers might be wary of inundating them with a huge amount of #drupaldesign messages once a week when there are perfectly viable alternatives available.
twitter: threehz
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I like IRC as well
As long as it's text and archived, I'm in. :)
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I'm all for text-based
So, we have a couple of options here.
1) Call as-scheduled - skype-in for Europeans
2) Make a skype room for everyone in here and use it for both text-based discussion and for free calling
3) Ditch the idea of co-pressence and just roll with either IRC or Skype chat.
Pros/Cons of Voice
- Hard to stay on a coherent topic on text - multiple people talk at once
- We have the same issue w/ voice
- Logging > note taking
- Easier to multi-task w/ chat
Thoughts? I'll set up a poll if we want to be democratic about this.
Crystal
(cleverclevergirl on IRC. @ccg on Twitter)
Thoughts and Concerns
I'm a long-time fan of IRC and text-based chats for a lot of things, but I've definitely experienced the downsides of it, mostly centered around the chaos of no practical way of moderating the talking points with so many people involved and also the inevitable misunderstandings that happen when there is no sense of emotion and kidding in raw text. We have so much to itemize and get down to business with I'd be afraid that the downside could end up at least partially derailing or defocusing the much-needed upside.
Skype I've had mixed results with, but the last few times I've used, it it's gone more smoothly with less drop-offs than before. I certainly don't want this to be an "American" thing. It's a people of Earth thing, baby! On a practical basis, though, we just need to reach the most people most of the time, and I suppose the make-up of our meeting on Saturday sort of dictated this plan of attack. That having been said, it may very well change that the most people participating are in western Europe and we in N. America need to get up really early to the conversation when it's more feasible for the majority of the participants, and I'd be totally cool with that.
My main point (and I'm reasonably sure that Claudio would concur on this one) is that we absolutely need a proper voice-based conversation, and we could augment that with regular, slightly less formal discussions on IRC if everyone is into that idea, as well. We have to keep in mind that at this early point, we have to guard ourselves against splintering the momentum off into geographical or linguistic-based subsets of people. That will never help us.
-=- christopher
I'm game for IRC
I like queued messaging for this, so I'm interested in IRC. Not that I wouldn't like a voice to hear, I just find it harder to visit a voice conference if I'm in the middle of office tasks.
Agenda?
Chris Charlton, Author & Drupal Community Leader, Enterprise Level Consultant
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Vote for IRC
I think IRC is our best bet in order to cover all the time zones, unless we can get something like Campfire (but free), which logs everything and allows you to see what happened when you were not part of the chat room.