Conflicts of Interest and potentially Private Benefit / Inurement on the Drupal Association board

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Alex UA's picture

I would like to formally request an investigation into two members of the Drupal Association board who I believe have acted in a Conflicts-of-Interest with regards to DrupalCon Chicago. In addition I formally request the investigation of one member of the Drupal Association general assembly for the same.

I believe that these members of the Board and General Assembly have behaved in ways that not only run counter to basic morals of our community, but I believe that they have also potentially broken nonprofit tax law and have put the tax exempt status of the DA's 501(c)3 at risk.

I have outlined all of the facts and documents surrounding these accusations at AuditTheDABoard.com, but I want to make sure that comments are kept as part of the official record and will show up in the drupal.org search index. I am asking that all three of these members resign, and that an independent audit be performed to ensure that there was not inurement, private benefit, or other unlawful activities surrounding the selection and execution of DrupalCon Chicago.

If documents exist that counter what I have posted, I am happy to post corrections, but after nine months of trying to get the Board to come clean, I am certain that the actions of these three individuals was completely improper.

Comments

Perhaps you didn't read

pwolanin's picture

Perhaps you didn't read http://association.drupal.org/node/1169?

Perhaps the timing of that

Alex UA's picture

Perhaps the timing of that had to do with my accusations? Or the fact that I gave Jacob access to the AuditTheDABoard.com site ahead of time so that he could prepare a mea culpa.

At this point this is not about transparency, it's about accountability. Three members of the DA, including two board members, have acted in a blatantly conflicted manner, and in the process they have (potentially) broken nonprofit laws.

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

At this point this is not

eaton's picture

At this point this is not about transparency, it's about accountability. Three members of the DA, including two board members, have acted in a blatantly conflicted manner, and in the process they have (potentially) broken nonprofit laws

The documents released by the DA demonstrate what anyone paying attention knew -- Palantir invested roughly 2000-2500 billable hours in organizing and running Drupalcon Chicago. They received a Diamond Sponsorship, equivalent to the sponsorship and branding placement that other companies who've organized DrupalCon have received in the past.

Even assuming that the Diamond Sponsorship is equivalent to cash, it works out to a compensation value of roughly $20 an hour. If that's the payoff on some grand scheme, it's the dumbest scheme ever. It's like accusing Steve Jobs of exploiting his company's smartphone monopoly to get a job waiting tables at Sizzler.

First, you are addressing the

Alex UA's picture

First, you are addressing the part of my accusation dealing with potential Inurement / Private Benefit, which I assume will come out in the wash of an independent audit, and which I do not claim to know the definitive answer to. But keep in mind, the prescriptions against Private Benefits go far beyond excess compensation, and would apply to any situation where a person used their influence (so, for example, if you were to say things like "I'm holding DrupalCon in Chicago to improve the business climate in which my business operates" that would, I believe, be an admittance to a Private Benefit- but again, I'm not sure).

At any rate, putting that aside, the much clearer issue in my eyes is the Conflict-of-Interest, which is much harder to review given the lack of an actual Conflict-of-Interest policy (despite what was reported to the IRS).

This quote from Jacob from the day after the vote (from an e-mail leaked to me), seems to me, to be an admittance to a conflict on the board:

Jacob Redding: "If Chicago did not have voting rights they could not contest [San Francisco being awarded the 2010 conference]..."

After reading through the reactions to my accusations, it seems like there's a good deal of confusion about what a conflict-of-interest is. From wikipedia:

A conflict of interest (COI) occurs when an individual or organization is involved in multiple interests, one of which could possibly corrupt the motivation for an act in the other.

How is it not a conflict of interest for the board members to both propose to bring DrupalCon to Chicago (and with it over a million dollars of economic activity and a chance to stand in the "spotlight"), and then debate and vote on it within the board?

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

I'm sorry, Alex, but you're

merlinofchaos's picture

I'm sorry, Alex, but you're wrong.

I was in the DA when all this was going down.

I paid attention to what was going on.

I believe what they did was fine.

My job in the DA was to provide oversight for exactly things like this. My stance is this:

My job was to watch for corruption. I analyzed this and saw nothing of the sort. Your accusations do not change my mind. If you believe they were corrupt, then all of us in the DA were derelict in our duty. This is why I do not accept your apology. You cannot limit this to just a few members of the board. It's not like they're super powerful people who are able to just act in ways that they feel is right without the rest of us knowing.

Sure, some members of the DA are not watching. Many of us were. And many of these issues have been discussed.

IMO, if you are accusing these three people, then you are accusing all of us that were there at the time. And that is why your apology on twitter is a meaningless gesture. It does not work. You can't have it both ways. If they're guilty, we're all guilty.

Personally, I think your actions are poisonous to the community. Whether you are right or wrong (note: you're wrong) your actions have dangerous effects on people both in the community and watching it from a distance. Because of people like you, people, right now, making the decision of what software to use for their future websites, are going to not pick Drupal. That costs your company money, and it costs my company money. I also believe this post may violate the Drupal code of conduct, though I'll let the rest of the community decide if I am right or wrong there.

So, Alex. You're willing and happy to work to destroy the Drupal community over your personal vendetta. A vendetta which, to all evidence I can see, is misguided in the best light I can put on it, and more likely petty and malicious? Every thing you've ever contributed to Drupal, everything your company has ever contributed to the community is being blackened by these actions.

Personally, at this point, I believe you should be banned from all drupal.org resources for this. You claim your cause is just, but I think, deep down, you are just petty and angry and trying to pursue a personal vendetta and have found a means of attack. I think this kind of behavior should not be tolerated in the community. There are items in your post which you know are not true, because I have corrected you on it, yet you continue to post them as though they were facts.

Luckily for you, I'm not really part of the webmaster's team. I have, however, ask the webmasters to act to protect our Code of Conduct and the community: http://drupal.org/node/1220846

Retaliate much?

Alex UA's picture

I don't even know where to start with this, Earl. Below you admitted to not even reading my actual accusation before posting this and requesting that I be banned from d.o. (and be made to stop using Views, regardless of the GPL that stands as our central principle document) for accusing the DA Board of misconduct.

I understand you're mad, but what principle are you operating under here? Accusing me of "working to destroy Drupal" is as saddening as it is wrong. The DA is not Drupal, and you are not the final arbiter of all that is true and just.

I obviously made this personal with my tweet explosion over the weekend, and yeah, that wasn't the most productive way to make this public, but I have been pushing the DA (in private) to correct these problems for the last nine months, and I have felt misled and lied to (even if that was not the intention). I'm sorry you've taken this so personally--and I personally don't think the DA GA had enough power to really oversee what was happening--I really did not mean to drag you into it, but I stand by my accusations and still demand that an independent audit be completed. Whether or not it looks into all the things I've asked it to look into is not my decision, but maybe this will help with you anger over that stance: now that DCI has more than $2m in revenue, it is legally required for DCI to be independently audited.

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

1) No, I specifically asked

merlinofchaos's picture

1) No, I specifically asked you to stop using my software. At no time did I suggest you could be made to stop using it. In fact, I specifically said, almost immediately after that, that I can't stop you from using it. The GPL completely prevents that. I was very, very specific in that wording. I actually still stand by that. I thought, briefly, during our twitter exchange, that we might have been able to get down to a discussion. Then you posted this. But please, continue to tell people I'm having the community force you to stop using my software. It will make you feel better when you ignore me and use it anyway, which I fully expect you to do.

2) You should read webmaster's issue. It's never been edited. But the request I made there is very specific. I even followed up in response #11 to clarify. You're seem very intent upon distorting things to your way of thinking even though the words, that are right in front of you differ from what you're saying. I am impressed. But please, continue to repeat your version of it. It will make you feel better dismissing me as being just an angry man.

3) You may not believe you are working to destroy Drupal, but throwing this around, the way you have, is destructive. Someone once said that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Good intentions do not excuse destructive behavior. And you either do know it, or should know it. Conclude what you will from that. If you do know it, and don't care, then you fit my definition of evil. If you don't know it, then...well. I can't think of anything kind to say about destructive behavior pursued out of ignorance.

and I personally don't think the DA GA had enough power to really oversee what was happening

Yes, that's right. Continue to paint me as a sad, powerless individual in a powerless organization who couldn't see anything that was going on, whose voice was being ignored. I'm sure that George, Tiffany and Larry were so incredibly competent at their corruption that they put the wool completely over everyone's eyes and they stole the money right out from under our noses. Yet somehow, the incredible hawk-like gaze of Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg WAS THERE TO CATCH THEM WITH THEIR HANDS IN THE COOKIE JAR. Yet somehow, those of us tasked with the job of oversight were unable or unwilling to actually do it.

You, sir, have an interesting view of reality.

You see, by painting this picture, it becomes easier to dismiss everything I say. He doesn't have to accuse me of lying, he can just accuse me of ignorance and ineptitude. That's easier, isn't it? Also more likely to be true.

I obviously made this personal with my tweet explosion over the weekend,

I don't know how to respond to this. I've retyped a paragraph several times, but I just can't come up with something that conveys my utter shock that you actually think there's any other way to interpret your acts as a personal vendetta, and that you feel this was the only way to get what you wanted, and damn the consequences.

Accusing me of "working to

merlinofchaos's picture

Accusing me of "working to destroy Drupal" is as saddening as it is wrong. The DA is not Drupal, and you are not the final arbiter of all that is true and just.

The symmetry in this quote is one I will savor. Think about it for awhile.

I formally accuse Alex UA of

Gerhard Killesreiter's picture

I formally accuse Alex UA of being a douche bag.

Evidence? See above.

Thanks Gerhard!

Alex UA's picture

This is exactly the type of response I expected. Any other derogatory terms you'd like to use someone formally accusing a nonprofit board you're a board member of?

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

This is exactly the type of

Gerhard Killesreiter's picture

This is exactly the type of response I expected.

Since I knew that, I didn't want to disappoint you. You will be disappointed enough by the fact that nobody but you sees the things your way.

It also confirms my expectations that you respond to my jibe instead to the more in-depth replies by others.

Regarding your "accusations": I recommend you read and understand what others have written. There is little to add to that.

just don't get it...

Alex UA's picture

Gerhard, it's hard to express just how far away you are from the norms and behaviors expected from a board member of an org that controls a US charity (esp. one with $2m+ in revenues). I highly recommend you stop acting so openly hostile towards me, though I'll just ignore you from this point forward.

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

If this was an attempt to get

Gerhard Killesreiter's picture

If this was an attempt to get me to claim that yes, Drupal vzw controls DrupalCon, Inc, it has failed. DrupalCon, Inc. acts independendly, has its own board, and I as a board member of Drupal vzw don't have more control over it than for example you.

With regards to me being hostile to you: Of course I am. You are trying to severely harm a software project that I've spent 10 years on contributing to. You are trying to inflict financial and other harm on the institutions that have been errected to further it. You can't really expect that I'll like you for that.

And yes, I'd like it very much if you could ignore me.

the community is strong enough...

nicl's picture

Hey,

I know nothing about this issue whatsoever, at all, absolutely zilch. My strong belief is to trust that the DA board are doing a great job.

But I don't think we should call for people to be banned from D.O because they make accusations like this. Drupal as a community and an organisation is and should be strong enough to deal with these kinds of complaints (even if believed to be entirely fictitious) in a procedural manner which does not seek to prohibit free speech.

Basically, big organisations need (IMO) to take a wholly impersonal and structured approach (according to policies laid down beforehand) when facing these kinds of issues. Even, and especially when, the attack is considered neither impersonal nor professional.

Part of this structured and procedural approach would, presumably, also require DA board or ex-members do not engage in publicly bad-mouthing the complainant...however much the one making the complaint is bad-mouthing them.

Issues worth attention

nedjo's picture

Overall, as one of the permanent members of the Drupal Association, I think it's good to get the questions of how things work within the organization, including potential conflict of interest, out in the open. It's long overdue.

The Drupal community is dynamic, amazing, huge, diverse, and international. It's very easy for a few people sitting around a virtual table to become relatively removed from that community. I've always been uncomfortable with the DA structure--as a handful of permanent members drawn from relatively narrow sections of the community, mainly developers working for or running Drupal shops, how can we truly represent the community?

The current DA board is not the most representative of our diverse community. Five of the eight board members are owners or employees of just two companies (Acquia and Palentir). All but one are owners or employees of US-based Drupal shops. Given that the shops often have close business relationships, including formal partnerships, there is a lot of potential for conflict of interest as decisions are made that directly or indirectly benefit one or more of the companies involved. The presence of potential conflicts of interest doesn't in itself mean any wrongdoing. It does mean that we need to pay especially close attention both to decision making and to transparency to our community.

One of the first things I brought up within the DA after joining as a permanent member was the potential for conflict of interest, especially in relation to Drupalcon decisions. There have been some improvements since then, but we've still got a lot of work to do. We're starting in--I'm on a conflict of interest committee that had our first meeting this month.

As an organization and as permanent members, we have usually not been effective at communicating out what goes on within the organization, including diverse views and some vigourous internal debates.

It's perfectly valid to raise concerns about particular situations. Alex's interventions already helped spark better sharing out of information about DA processes and decisions and also closer attention to the relation of the DA to the US entity Drupalcon Inc.

The general issues and questions Alex is raising are ones I've heard repeatedly from many members of the Drupal community for all the time I've been part of the DA. Bringing them to the community is an important role. They need to be heard and addressed.

Two things though.

First, let's try to tone down the level of individual accusation and rancour, on all sides. It doesn't help us address the basic issues. As I see it, those issues are: how can we identify, acknowledge, and above all address problems and shortcomings in the DA to improve the organization's work and community governance?

Second, while scrutiny of past decisions is important, it shouldn't completely detract attention from communication about and community engagement in big changes that are afoot in the DA.

Within the DA, and pretty much behind closed doors, for the past several months we've been debating and planning how we can best restructure the organization. The proposed changes were finally posted this week on the DA site: http://association.drupal.org/node/1119

This proposal is anything but small. It would radically reshape our organization. It seems to me like a sign of how little we've engaged the Drupal community that that document so far hasn't received a single comment.

Personally, there's a lot I like and support in the proposal, but also a lot I have big concerns about. It would see us eliminate the permanent membership, leaving the board as the sole decision making body. I'm concerned that this change could if anything increase the degree of centralization in the DA. Could we instead expand voting rights to the full membership, currently at over 2,000 individuals and organizations? I'm also concerned at the idea of relocating the DA to the United States. Would this increase the degree to which decisions in the DA come from a mainly US perspective?

In sum: the issues raised here are serious ones worthy of attention. Hearing and addressing them could help take us in positive, progressive directions.

Behind closed doors

Damien Tournoud's picture

Within the DA, and pretty much behind closed doors, for the past several months we've been debating and planning how we can best restructure the organization.

Doing everything "behind closed doors" is the primary issue with the Drupal association. Being structurally unable to do anything (other then funneling money around) is the other issue.

This has to change. Being closed, the current Drupal Association is a completely alien body in a community that takes every decision in the open. Being structurally unable to do anything, the Drupal Association is just illegitimate in a community that values action against anything.

First order of business: all the meetings of all the instances of the Drupal Association (board, general assembly, etc.) must be held in public (even if they should not welcome public participation), and all the transcripts of all the previous deliberations must be made public.

Damien Tournoud

Being structurally unable to

Gerhard Killesreiter's picture

Being structurally unable to do anything (other then funneling money around) is the other issue.

I beg to differ:

The DA has run or initiated several very successful DrupalCons

The DA has provided quite a bit of money towards the infrastructure team.

The DA has provided funds so that the new d.o theme could be completed.

The DA has provided funds so that the git migration could be completed.

I think that's quite a bit, and that is only the largish bits that I was able to remember on the top of my head...

Did you really just rebut an

cha0s's picture

Did you really just rebut an assertion that all the DA can do is funnel money around with examples of how it has funneled money around? heh.

The public meetings issue has

merlinofchaos's picture

The public meetings issue has been a problem in the past. Financial details aren't necessarily public until the end of year budget accounting and in meetings people are sometimes required to voice opinions that may not be popular.

That said, I think I agree with you that, as the DA restructures itself, the board needs to put that aside and treat the meetings as completely public, and that the policy board should have its doors wide open. Because it is shedding the General Assembly as an oversight authority, this is going to be our only recourse to seeing what's going on in the Board in the future. I think as a policy board, most of the details they had, in the past, been worried about being public, will be handled by staff anyway.

Part of being on the Board is going to mean closer scrutiny and I think the new DA structure needs to start from there and accept it. A member of the DA staff can be officially responsible for transcribing and posting the transcriptions of the meetings. I hope that the new DA takes up this kind of practice.

What's wrong with DrupalCon Inc?

aiwata55's picture

I don't know any detail about this issue, but based on the posts related to this issue I can see, I cannot understand what is wring with DrupalCon Inc.

According to Increasing our transparency: DrupalCon,

  • Palantir provided the following three services for DrupalCon Chicago: Website development; Project management; Graphic design.
  • They agreed with DrupalCon Inc to spend 500 billable hours for these jobs, and ended up with 2,309 hours excluding hours for on-site management at the conference.
  • Palantir didn't receive any money for their service.
  • Palantir did receive Diamond sponsorship, which worth $45,000.
  • Palantir's service was equivalent to less than $20/hour (45,000 ÷ 2,309). This is far below market level for a web dev company with their level of knowledge and expertise.

If those are true, I don't think Palantir or DrupalCon Inc. did anything wrong.

In addition, with regard to the use of one of Palantir's clients for a venue for a party, I don't think it is problematic either. If one is a member of a decision making committee who is planning to hold a party and knows that one of his client has a room which is suitable for a big party, why should he hesitate to recommend that room as a possible venue? If choosing that room may benefit the committee and the attendees, being hesitant may cost the committee and the attendees.

In conclusion, while it is important to watch closely at what our representatives are doing as Alex pointed out, I don't see any problems at this point.


Aki Iwata
FOREST & trees

The importance of credit

AmyStephen's picture

I am very sad to see these types of accusations made in the Drupal community. While I agree with Nedjo that openness must be embraced, these approaches should not be.

Alex, I believe you've made serious mistakes in judgement and you should mitigate damage unfairly caused to these people. Your approach should have focused on whatever issues you believed needed review. If you question a community approach, keep it there. Then, trust the community to help find the right way. Perhaps the community will decide to adapt how things are done. In this case, I hope that happens if only for the reason the community must better protect contributors from this type of attack.

Am I correct in understanding that "acknowledgement as a sponsor" is the source of concern? Am I correct in understanding that no cash was given? Just recognition?

If so, I want to share that Joomla Day organizers are regularly listed as "sponsors." The largest Joomla Day events are a fraction of a DrupalCon event and, still, the community has no qualms whatsoever about acknowledging contributions in this manner.

It is so important credit for contributions is given in our free software communities. Not only should it be "okay" to acknowledge significant contributions towards such an important event, it should be encouraged and celebrated!

From | Producing Open Source Software by | Karl Fogel, | Chapter 8. Managing Volunteers that is simply entitled | Credit.

Credit is the primary currency of the free software world. Whatever people may say about their motivations for participating in a project, I don't know any developers who would be happy doing all their work anonymously, or under someone else's name. There are tangible reasons for this: one's reputation in a project roughly governs how much influence one has, and participation in an open source project can also indirectly have monetary value, because some employers now look for it on resumés. There are also intangible reasons, perhaps even more powerful: people simply want to be appreciated, and instinctively look for signs that their work was recognized by others. The promise of credit is therefore one of best motivators the project has. When small contributions are acknowledged, people come back to do more.

In our communities, we should question approach. We must demand openness. It is imperative to get involved. There is nothing wrong with arguing passionately about issues and code. But, we must always stop short of accusing people, at least before all other approaches were first attempted and we are able to do so with facts and without conditioning accusations with words like "potentially."

Alex - I think you have made a very serious mistake here. I agree with others who question why you will not allow comments on your site. How can you call for openness and use such a closed approach? This is very sad to see such serious accusations and I hope those you have attacked have the support they need to get through this. I hope it does not discourage their future involvement with Drupal.

Laws?

Alex UA's picture

Amy- I appreciate your sentiment, but I feel very strongly that I am in the right here. I have been trying to get this resolved for 9 months, and the DA wouldn't release any of the documents up until I created that site (I gave Jacob a look before hand so that he could prepare his response). I have made an official accusation because I feel very strongly that something wrong has occurred within an organization that I have donated countless time/money/staff to. I brought these concerns to the DA board, hoping that they would open their documents to the bright light of day, and let the community's lying eyes be the judge. I formally accused the members when it became clear that the DA board was not serious about dealing with these accusations in a fair and open matter. Tone aside, what other recourse did I have?

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

Alex - I'd start by removing

AmyStephen's picture

Alex -

I'd start by removing the names of individuals - both from your initial post and from your website. That would go a long, long ways towards resolving this.

Then, ask your questions in the open. Avoid making accusations. Assume the best in people. That does not mean you have to agree with decisions made or what actions were taken or whether or not transparency was in place, but it is really important to remember that we do have different perspectives about what is right and what is wrong. Try to avoid pinning anyone down as "evil."

Also, don't forget, you are exploring historical decisions. You might have made a different decision if you had been asked, but it's really important to recognize that if people acted in accordance with authority they had been granted, they were NOT wrong to do so! If you don't agree with the process or the decision reached, pull it out of these discussions as a bullet point for the board to consider in revising or defining process.

==> Keep it about process, not people. <== I seriously doubt, Alex, that there was malicious intent or fraud or anything illegal done here. In our communities, we are all just volunteers kind of stumbling thru, trying to find the right way.

Even with good intention, even with good points, we can harm others who did not wrong and I fear you are doing so here. Please, remove the names. Remove the accusations. Ask the questions that build a good discussion and allow the Drupal community to do what it does best: pull together and make things work.

Time and time again, I find asking questions immediately in public, and not privately, is the best way. If you have been pursuing this for nine months in private, Alex, you are also part of a problem of transparency and one that you must carefully fix with respect.

Take some deep breaths, consider taking down your site, consider removing any personally identifiable information, and trust your community.

Best,
Amy

Fine

Alex UA's picture

I removed their names for now. I feel strongly that public figures, even just those associated with smaller non-profits, are perfectly valid targets for this sort of public accusation, but in the interest of moving things forward, I'm taking them down.

Anyway, you're right, I should have just gone public the second I heard (last November) about Palantir's no-bid contract, and the votes that led to it. I trusted the DA to take those accusations seriously, and they were not. I should have just pushed for openness right from the beginning, and the fact that I let this go on for 9 months in private is not something I'm proud of.

However, I don't think that this is the sort of accusation that should just be handled in a "Drupal" way. We should be, first and foremost, following the laws of the land, and ethics wrt charities (which is what DCI is). I feel like that should be the "starting point", and is not something that our (or any) community should be able to simply discard simply because the members of the DA "deserve" our trust.

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

To be sure, the 501(c)3

merlinofchaos's picture

To be sure, the 501(c)3 aspect of DCI complicates things. You're also going to have no luck getting an answer from anybody on this who isn't a lawyer, because once you start talking legality with an organization like this, the only answer is to refer it to a lawyer.

I suspect that you would've done a lot better just having a lawyer draft a letter, 9 months ago, demanding an answer in a legal manner. Then the DA's lawyer would've been legally obligated to respond and maybe we could've had some motion on this instead of you exploding all over the community. The problem is, I don't think you're wrong to question, but I do think you're wrong to accuse. Particularly in how you've accused. And the other problem is...I don't know. I'm not a lawyer. I don't know jack about the legalities involved in the 501(c)3 and that paperwork was only completed last year. It's new to all of us. And the separation between Drupal vzw and DrupalCon, Inc is very confusing, even to the people involved with it.

I'm at least glad to see you back down a little and start approaching it more constructively. Thank you.

Apologies

Alex UA's picture

I am not claiming I've handled this the best way possible, and it's certainly likely that I've handled it in the worst possible manner.

There are reasons I used the word accuse and not 'ask for more info.' While I didn't go the route you mentioned (which would have been a much smarter opening move, I agree), I did simply question these decisions at first (first the no-bid contract, then the votes that led to the con, then the contract to their client) and asked for public clarification. Not only was there no noticeable change in the ways things were going (i.e. it was still all behind closed doors), I saw that the same people were still heavily involved in all of the DCI processes, and later were appointed to a (non-public) committee to decide upon the COI rules. This in and of itself seems like a COI, and thus the only way I could see to "stop the madness" was to make my accusations public. I told the DA that this was going to be the result if they didn't come clean, and while they have had me talk with their counsel and with Dries and Jacob (numerous times), none of them has taken this issue with the gravity that my experience on nonprofit boards told me it should be treated with (I have personally signed a couple COIs for nonprofit boards, and all would prohibit this type of behavior).

I'm fine with changing any of the wording of my accusation, even the word itself, but what word should I use that carries with it weight enough to get definitive action on the matter?

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

I've changed the title and

Alex UA's picture

I've changed the title and body of the post to remove the word accuse and to further dampen what I am requesting. Obviously, the originals can still be found in the diffs (for anyone that wants to see).

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

Very good first step, Alex.

AmyStephen's picture

Very good first step, Alex. Now, how about taking the site down, too, and remove the names (including the company name) from your posts?

If you feel you have evidence of corruption and wrong doing, I'd recommend asking a small group of people who you trust and you know the community trusts, to meet with you and hear your evidence. Then, take their advise on next steps and let them help guide this.

If you are only suspicious, Alex, then it would be better to approach this from a process improvement standpoint for the future.

It'll be best if you can ignore the snarky comments you get. You need to understand when you take approaches like this, it is upsetting to people and they might not make the best choices, too. If you are so entitled, they are, as well. Try to stay on topic.

Keep restoring faith. Taking the site down - removing the name from the posts will help.

Sorry, no.

Alex UA's picture

What you are asking for is for this to become secret again. It's too late for that. And what I've said wrt names is all public info- and perfectly true. So unless you have some factual counterclaims you'd like me to post, I'm not taking down that site until all of the info is public and/or an independent audit by non-DA board members is agreed to.

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

No, I suggested a way for you

AmyStephen's picture

No, I suggested a way for you to be heard without harming others. Alex - I think you are wrong on this but I am encouraged that this community allows the discussion. That speaks volumes about the strength of the Drupal community.

Tone

Michelle's picture

There's an old saying that it's not what you say but how you say it that I think applies very well here. The DA acknowledges that there are problems. Could we start out with the assumption that they are caused by lack of experience rather than malice? Let's give them a chance to learn best practices and make things right, not call out individuals with accusations. I'll be the first to admit I haven't paid much attention to the DA and lack knowledge of the situation. But what I do know is that, in the 6 years I have been in this community, I have found the vast majority of people in the Drupal community to be good people who care about Drupal and want to do things to make it better. I have seen countless Drupal shops put the community over profit. Sure, they need to stay in business, but they manage to do it while benefiting the community. I'm not saying we're immune to corruption; no organization is. But everything I've seen these last 6 years tells my gut that innocent mistakes are far more likely than intentional wrongdoing. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt and work with them rather than throwing out accusations.

Michelle

As usual...

Alex UA's picture

tone is not my strong suite. I have been pushing for a full disclosure of this for nine months, with absolutely no success. The best the DA could do after admitting that they didn't actually have a COI policy, was to create a non-public 5-person COI committee where two of the three people I had been accusing (in private) of COIs were part it.

With regards to intent, I'm much less trusting of human beings than you. I start from the assumption that all men/women are corrupt(able), and that the only thing that keeps them "honest" is a constant threat of being exposed (and possibly punished). When people are allowed to operate in complete secrecy, and especially when business interests are at play, there is no person on earth you should trust. In the end though, I don't believe that most people can be aware of the intents at play when thoughts come to their minds, or decisions are made based on them. This is the very heart of why open source is so powerful and why it is growing so fast: don't rely on what happens behind closed doors, trust your own lying eyes. This is also at the heart of COI policies: no matter how trustworthy a person is, they cannot be trusted to separate their different "intents" (I cannot put away the fact that I'm a business owner when I'm acting as a board member).

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

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Michelle's picture

I guess that's a fundamental difference between us, then. I assume people are good until proven otherwise and I believe that people can make moral decisions without external pressure. Transparency is good, obviously, but I don't assume the lack of transparency implies wrongdoings.

Michelle

Homo homini lupus

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Translation: Man is a wolf to man.

Taken from the book that comes closest to my thoughts on mankind: Civilization and its Discontents

The existence of this inclination to aggression, which we can detect in ourselves and justly assume to be present in others, is the factor which disturbs our relations with our neighbor and which forces civilization into such a high expenditure [of energy]. In consequence of this primary mutual hostility of human beings, civilized society is perpetually threatened with disintegration. The interest of work in common would not hold it together; instinctual passions are stronger than reasonable interests. Civilization has to use its utmost efforts in order to set limits to man's aggressive instincts and to hold the manifestations of hem in check by psychical reaction-formations. Hence, therefore, the use of methods intended to incite people into identifications and aim-inhibited relations of love, hence the restriction upon sexual life, and hence too the ideal's commandment to love one's neighbor as oneself -- a commandment which is really justified by the fact that nothing else runs so strongly counter to the original nature of man. In spite of every effort, these endeavors of civilization have not so far achieved very much. It hopes to prevent the crudest excesses of brutal violence by itself assuming the right to use violence against criminals, but the law is not able to lay hold of the more cautious and refined manifestations of human aggressiveness. The time comes when each one of us has to give up illusions the expectations which, in his youth. he pinned upon his fellow men, and when he may learn how much difficulty and pain has been added to his life by their ill-will.

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

Link is broken

DjebbZ's picture

It's href, not hfef ;)

Voice

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@Michelle: somehow, this discussion reminds me of the 80/20 Pareto principle.

If I apply the Pareto rule to the smorgasbord of topics in this thread, I can safely devise that:

  • 20% of our actions gain & affect 80% of how people perceive us.
  • 80% of DrupalCon's outcome (successful or not) is attributed to the 20% effort done by the DA.
  • No matter how small the accusation is, it affects the whole majority of the community.
  • Transparency comes in small meaningful (and good) ways, not in big chunks of gratuitous notoriety, money, or opinion.

If I may add, these people have been very lucky being able to attend DrupalCons --while we--, the often-too-far and misrepresented can only dream & drool being part of one... even just once. And now, the experience is ruined by all the bickering :-(

Only local images are allowed.

While I do respect both sides of the party, can someone please bring the magic back? My people need something to aspire for...

Some random responses

merlinofchaos's picture

Okay, I actually finally read this Audit the DA post. Being privy to some of the information, I'm going to respond to a couple of key points. As I've said previously, I want to make it clear, I am no longer associated with the Drupal Association. Most DA members are afraid to talk, because anything they say will be construed as an official DA response, and an official DA response pretty much has to come from either Jacob or Dries. And for what I hope are obvious reasons, they are concerned that any addressing of this they make will have repercussions. In general, Alex is acting as a terrorist, and meeting any demand of a terrorist usually leads to worse, down the road.

1) Part of the accusations have to do with the fact that the Drupal Association was in the process of changing its model and San Francisco and Chicago got selected at the same time. Alex is trying to claim that this happened because the board had two members of Palantir on it.

What Alex has concluded from what happened here is about as far from the truth as it can be. Let me give a little history lesson here. Note that this is primarily from my memory, with a few facts filled in for me from other people who've been involved.

First, let's go back to Boston. When Boston Drupalcon happened in 2008, which was hosted by Acquia, the Drupal Association was still a very new entity. We had only really figured out what we were going to do the previous DrupalCon. in Brussels. To be honest, none of us really knew what we were doing. We had no idea how to run an Association, and we still hadn't gotten used to how much Drupal had grown. At the time, the primary purpose was because it was becoming increasingly difficult for Dries to act as the financial entity to run a DrupalCon. At that time, the largest DrupalCon had only 400 or so people (though Sunnyvale could easily have been larger if it weren't for caps based upon the size of the Yahoo campus). Drupalcons has previously been put together not by any formal decision of who would do it, but in the community manner of whoever stepped up to do it.

Boston changed things. Boston partnered with another organization. It put Drupalcon in a real convention center. It was run primarily by Acquia (which acted as the fiscal agent). An Acquia employee in particular, Kieran Lal, (also on the Drupal Association board) worked 16 hours a day for several weeks to get Boston to happen, because everything was done last minute.

And Boston was very successful, and it doubled the size of Drupalcons. And the people who run Drupalcons were, frankly, afraid, because the difference between a convention with a few hundred people and a convention of nearly a thousand people is pretty staggering. Particularly when you're talking about professional facilities and other bits.

So the Drupal Association had a lot of internal debate about what to do. Shortly after Boston, Development Seed was one of at least four possibilities we were considering. At that point, we had asked the community to put in pitches for the next Drupalcon, and we were considering a number of them. DevSeed's was far and away the most polished but there were many choices, including things like letting O'Reilly run it, and if I recall Los Angeles was considered then. Oh and Alex's company had put in a pitch for Philadelphia. That's actually important, I think, because it's at least part of the reason for his vendetta.

In any case, Development Seed put on an incredible conference in Washington, DC 2009. They doubled attendance, again, and they raised the bar to a level we, as a community, had never seen before. They hired an Events Management firm, Groundswell, to do a lot of the work professionally. They also created DrupalCon, Inc, to be the fiscal agent so that DevSeed wouldn't carry the debt or directly have the money. Cary Gordon, was at that point the DA Director in charge of Events, was concerned that the model we were on was not sustainable. Is it really good for the community to have Drupal shops doing all of this work, and in control of the rising amounts of money involved?

Plus, the larger these conferences are, the longer they take to plan. Major facilities are not available on a moment's notice. Sometimes you need more than a year's time to secure the space you want. In New York, it's more like two years. So while trying to settle on what would follow up San Francisco, Cary, doing his job as director of events convinced the DA that we needed to change our model.

1) The selection process had left a bad taste in the mouths of everyone who didn't get selected. It's a lot of work to put in a polished pitch, and that work goes for nothing when you don't get picked.
2) It was taking the DA so long to come to a decision that the groups putting in their pitches weren't having enough time to do the actual work.

When it came time to pick for 2010, it was already summer, and we were scheduled to have a convention in March. SF had put out a pretty impressive marketing program. It is true, what Alex says, that the Chicago group were upset. But they weren't upset about the marketing, they were upset that the DA was dragging its heels. In fact, the Chicago people were ready to withdraw their proposal because by July (roughly) the DA still had not made a decision and Chicago no longer felt it had the time to put on a conference of the quality that we had become accustomed to. San Francisco had gone ahead and made arrangements as though they were getting it; to some level they really bet the farm there, because if they hadn't been selected they would've been out a great deal of work.

The big problem here was that the DA was dragging its feet. The board didn't meet very often, and when it did meet, information tended not to be very well distributed. It was hard for the DA to make big decisions, and these were scary decisions. This frustrated everyone. Cary, not the least, who was between a rock and a hard place.

Cary, wanting to stop what had turned into a cycle of Drupalcons put on for short notice, presented a proposal to the board lengthening the cycle to 18 months, and having a professional event management team always on board, trying to reduce the work needed by the community to things the community excels at. In the end, Chicago and San Francisco were presented to the Drupal Association board in August, 2009 along with a slate of other things for one, giant vote. The vote included designating DrupalCon, Inc as the fiscal agent for all Drupalcons (at least, in the US) and retaining Groundwell and revamping the selection process.

Those vote passed unanimously. No one recused themselves, but it was also a megavote. There were a lot of items in that vote. San Francisco was also part of that vote, and SF had a team member on the board too. Now, I don't know about the specifics of running a non-profit. Maybe that's not the right way to do things, but that's the way the DA was doing them, at the time, and that's what happened. At the time, nobody in the DA thought anything about it. Because we needed to make decisions, and Cary did everything he could to make sure all the pieces were in place to have a decision made. I think this meant that he cut some corners. There was no formal process for selecting 2011. He picked Chicago because they had a proposal in, and because he'd been working with them already on their 2010 proposal, and because he was trying to get things done without repeating the pain that happened in 2009's selection process.

Also at the time, DrupalCon, Inc was still owned by DevSeed and was not yet a 501(c)3. The process for turning it into a 501(c)3 started immediately, though, and the paperwork for that was finished last year. Its status was backdated, so technically it's been a 501(c)3 since 2008, but nobody knew that at the time.

Cary picked Chicago as the followup Drupalcon for several reasons. It had a big, international airport, making it easy to get to from Europe. It is a cosmopolitan city and has a lot of things to do. The team was willing to do 2011 instead of 2010. Since the DA was in the process of changing its model, to us it seemed like a very good idea. This would be the first NAconference not put on at the last minute...pretty much ever. Every single North American Drupalcon prior to that had been arranged quickly and with undue haste. It was burning people out, in a bad way.

Now, what we did there wasn't well communicated. The board was having a real problem with communication, and it's because of the community model.

In the Drupal Community, things are done by Whomever Steps Up To Do Them.

In the Drupal Association, it turns out, that can't happen. Why? Because 30+ people are all afraid we'll say something we're not allowed to say. Drupal vzw is a fiscal entity and it has legal responsibilities. Things have to be done in a certain way, there are statutes to follow, and transparency ended up falling to the wayside for two reasons: 1) Time required to get the proper information and 2) Fear of saying the wrong thing. This burned Jeff Eaton badly -- he was elected to the board as director of communications. He then communicated, and got shot down for saying something that could be construed as taking a stance the DA did not want to take.

That's the problem. When I speak in the Drupal Community, everyone knows I speak for myself. But when you speak as a member of the Drupal Association, you are automatically speaking for the entire organization. That's hard to do. We were always spread across the world, coordinating primarily through a mailing list, full of busy people doing busy things. That's one of the big reasons for the re-organization going on, Right Now.

So then, the summary: Drupalcon Chicago was different because we needed to change the model. Chicago already had a proposal in, and as such, Cary found it expedient to package SF and Chicago together, and It Was Done. Finally, a DrupalCon would have > 9 months of time to do all of the work needed. In the future, we continued to evolve our model, and it's a model I participated in. It also continued to suck for reasons I won't get into here, but it continues to evolve because of that very suck.

2) Alex specifically accuses Chicago of unfairly selecting its own speakers

I'm not addressing everything Alex says. In fact, for everything Alex says part of this response matters, but this one is easy:

The numbers are available. While the Boston DC site is not, DC, San Francisco, Szeged, Copenhagen and Chicago's drupalcon sites are all available. You can go there, right now, and count how many sessions the people who put that con on had. Did you, Alex?

I know he didn't. I know someone who did. I'm not going to repeat the numbers, because Alex can bloody well gather his own evidence, but I will say this: The numbers do not support his theory. Those numbers are available. And it is on the accuser when the numbers are publicly available. But I will say that DevSeed/Phase 2 was more guilty of stacking the presenters than Palantir, and I haven't heard Alex bitching about that.

The fact is, the selection process is going to be biased towards people the selectors know. Period. Palantir actually worked harder than most to try to alleviate that bias. I don't think they were 100% successful, but they did not fail, either, at least not compared to any previous DrupalCon.

Summary of point 2: Do the math, Alex, before you accuse.

In conclusion, the Drupal Association has a lot of work to do in the way of transparency. I think this work actually has to start with Jacob Redding who is the fulltime Executive Director of the association and ultimately it's his job to collate this information and disburse it, or to appoint someone who will. The restructuring may help, but ultimately what it won't do is give Jacob more time to do that part of his job. Jacob is either going to have to do that, or the new board, whenever that actually happens, is going to have to force him to with a resolution.

Either way, improving the transparency is good. What I don't want anyone to think is that if the DA successfully improves its transparency, it will have anything to do with Alex.

Greg Knaddison joined the Drupal Association in 2008, I think, because he wanted to improve transparency. And he learned, firsthand, all the frustrating reasons that it's failed. But people have been working on it. It's good to remind the DA that it needs to continue to work on it. I fully intend to, as an outsider, be a constant reminder that they need to. But for the love of the entire community, we must put pressure on Alex to stop this destructive behavior.

Merlinofchaos, Thanks a lot

skyredwang's picture

Merlinofchaos,

Thanks a lot for sharing all the information that you had access to. Your stories certainly help people to understand the DA more, and therefore people will appreciate a lot of hard work done by the DA but never exposed to public previously.

I am concerned because the incompetence of a few decision making processes, presenting on paper, seems to become legal matters. Also, you mentioned that you are no longer associated with DA; I was wondering if the reasons of your departure could or need to be shared with public? I have no intention to invade any of your privacy.

Two reasons: 1) The recent

merlinofchaos's picture

Two reasons:

1) The recent restructuring of the Drupal Association was going to eliminate the General Assembly anyway. I have a few problems with some of the finer details (though I am in favor of the overall intent and structure) and I simply accelerated the process of leaving. I'd rather not discuss those issues at this time, the final structure hasn't been fully committed via vote yet and things could still change in the future.

2) The Drupal Association is a fiscal agency, really, not a community leader. I am a developer and a community leader. As the DA has grown, I felt that my role within it was at odds with my desires. The DA was not going the direction I had initially hoped, nor is it likely to. The DA, as it is now, can't lead the community, and in the direction it's going, I don't believe it will. If you take Drupalcon out of the equation, there isn't much to the DA. All it has accomplished is running several Drupalcons and using the revenue generated on drupal.org projects. That's great, but it's not what something I think I should be spending my time on.

Four issues, time for a #drupalhug

DamienMcKenna's picture

I see four issues here:

  1. Accusations of wrong-doing. These have been responded to quite successfully above and are best described as being coincidental rather than actions taken with malice.
  2. Financial & legal obligations due to the tax status. This is best left to the DA & their accountants; I expect it all to be resolved satisfactorily because the IRS leave no stones unturned.
  3. Conflict of interest over the Drupalcon 2011 party selection. As with #1 above, I would give Palantir the benefit of the doubt but recommend that tighter controls be taken & further disclosures be given for future events, primarily to ensure there are no tax or legal problems for the DA. That said, US law doesn't accept "we didn't think of it" as much of a defense so there may be issues over this; as with #2 above, I expect the DA will take care of it.
  4. A lack of transparency, as clarified by DamZ above. As mentioned above, the DA continues to reorganize itself to better cope with coordinating one of the world's largest & most structured open source communities and I expect this to improve.

So, everyone put down the chains & rusty handlebars that were nicked from behind the bikeshed, have a sip of tea, then lets all have a #drupalhug and lets help the DA to finish what they're doing.

@Alex, you don't need a megaphone to ask a question, and there were far better ways of raising your concerns than egging the DA's house. I request that you take down the auditthedaboard.com website immediately (maybe redirect it to this discussion?), rather than leaving your embarrassing site flapping its posterior out the window, and work within our community's existing structures to get your few legitimate concerns remedied.

Alex UA's picture

I formally deny your request. I have attempted to go through "normal" channels- all of which have been, up until today, done through the normal DA channels (i.e. phone calls, e-mails, meetings, and other non-public means), and none of that mattered. The DA just went ahead with its secret dealings, and ignored the accusations against the members I have mentioned in this post.

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

Use the group

DamienMcKenna's picture
  • What were the responses?
  • Was there a reason your next step wasn't to post a message to g.d.o rather than mooning the world?

This is disgusting.

Ryan Weal's picture

Having read through the original post and the many responses here I am saddened by this approach. Not only does it make everyone associated with Drupal look bad but it seems as though there is some serious misrepresentation going on. Misrepresentation is just a stone's throw away from defamation.

I am an organizer of an upcoming DrupalCamp. I sincerely hope that planning Drupal events does not result in this kind of debate every time. If it does, you know I won't be volunteering any more - and nor will many others. In fact, this discussion serves only to prevent almost every freelancer and studio from participating.

Luckily, it doesn't,

merlinofchaos's picture

Luckily, it doesn't, especially at the DrupalCamp level. The Camps are much further away from any central Drupal authority at all, and there's a much clearer "Well, so-and-so ran it, so it's their blame/credit" and it's easier to cope with. At worst you'll get two groups in a single area who are at odds with each other, but that tends to be localized and is more likely about some local politics issue. It's not that common, though it does happen.

You're right...

Alex UA's picture

I find it disgusting when people hide their actions behind a veil of secrecy, and especially when people put their business interests before those of the community.

If you're honestly concerned about the health of your local DrupalCamp/community, then it might be wise to read up on issues around governance in nonprofits. Even if you aren't a nonprofit, but you use one as a fiscal sponsor for an event, you'll be expected to act within the laws and norms governing nonprofits. Here's a great site for a primer on governance for nonprofits: http://www.boardsource.org/Knowledge.asp .

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

Well I disagree with the way

dconfeedback's picture

Well I disagree with the way Alex has gone about reporting this, especially the words chosen in the opening post of this thread. But yes, from a neutral perspective, I see some merit in the points raised, especially this (Please note that I am a completely neutral party and came to know about the whole issue by this thread, and then researched about this a bit):

They agreed with DrupalCon Inc to spend 500 billable hours for these jobs, and ended up with 2,309 hours excluding hours for on-site management at the conference.

So that means Palantir agreed for 500 billable hours. This should have been at the beginning of the process when Drupal Con preparations began, or sometime thereafter.
DA should have offered Palantir platinum sponsorship somewhere after this, but considerably before Palantir presented the final 2309 hours billability, right (again I am an outsider and hence do not know the details).

How come then they be offered a platinum sponsorship (worth $45K) based on the 500 billable hours they had presented (presumably long before the 2309 billable hours bill), at 90 dollars per hour.

Consider another important fact. Suppose Palantir bids for a client and gives a 500 hours billability estimate. How many clients would silently accept the 2309 (approx. 4.6 times) final billable hours and quietly pay for it being satisfied at the fact that they originally contracted them at let's say 50 dollars per hour for 500 hours and end up with paying 20 dollars per hour for 2300 hours.

Website development; Project management; Graphic design.

So these are the 3 services Palantir provided for 2300 hours. Doesn't anyone think that this is considerably over billed (and has anyone taken care of auditing the hours presented by Palantir ). I mean go out in the market, and float an open tender for Website development and Graphic design for a conference, see how much cheaper would it come at.
Go to TemplateMonster, you get awesome Web designs at 60 dollars. Go to PeoplePerHour and post a similar job. People would give you original site and graphic designs within 500 - 700 dollars (and I am talking of Pro people, amateurs on PPH would give you decent designs for as less as 300-400 dollars, maybe even lesser).

I excluded Project Management, because I am not too sure what all things were expected in Project management, but if Palantir calls itself a serious Drupal shop, then they should know the difference between 500 hours quote and 2309 hours Invoice. And DA should not have accepted that Invoice as such. An overrun of 25-30% is imaginable, an overrun of more than 360% is not acceptable.

I am sure people will ask who am I. Let me again clarify I am not on either side. I have been involved with Drupal community for over 4 years now and I have multiple projects available through d.o.' s Git, and people like my projects. Although I again disagree with the way Alex has reported this, I far strongly disagree with the way some high profile Drupal community members have come out in this thread, going as far as demanding banning Alex. That's not how open communitities work.
And to some extent, I have always felt closeness at DA (and even in some matters on d.o., I have strong points regarding there also), but first I am too busy arguing on these things. And second, I always knew I would be drawn into a useless controversy if I do raise points regarding d.o.'s "perceived openness" (and that's why I am commeting here anonymously).
And I will stop here, because I don't want to trigger off a new controversy...

I think you're missing the

catch's picture

I think you're missing the point with overrun, without knowing the details I'd imagine the 500 hours number was picked out of a hat, and would be considered more of a minimum commitment (i.e. - we guarantee we'll do at least this much work but likely a lot more). At least some of those hours I understand were spent creating an iPhone app that likely wasn't considered at the time all these decisions were made for example.

The next section of your post appears to suggest that the DA/Drupalcon Inc. should be using lowest bid freelancer sites to get sites built, that's frankly bizarre. When the DA starts promoting piecework and sweatshops you will see me go ballistic instead of Alex.

@catch, I have read

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@catch, I have read @sheldon's remarks too and I agree with quire a few points there, and I would not go into whether its COI or not, but imagine an organization giving a $45K contract to a company owned by members on the board of the organization, and further thousands of dollars contract to the client of the company.

If you had invested into the shares of a company and this happened there, would you not see it as COI and with suspicion? If Alex had been pursuing this for 9 months, shouldn't DA and DCI have come up with formal and open clarifications before Alex himself decided to take this to the public?

I understand @shelton's remarks that DCI is under no obligation to float an open bid, but hey if other people have spent 10 years in fostering Drupal, I have also spent 4+ years (and even providing free support to Drupal users and specifically to users of my projects hosted on d.o). I am also a DA member, and have donated to DA.

You cannot simply say to me now that if I am unhappy with the way things are done, then I should demand a refund of my donations (which are not assured to be released) and simply resign from the community.

I did not mean DA should be using lowest bid freelancers. But hey, you cannot simply present a 500 hour estimate (and later say it was off the hat), and end up with 1800+ hours excess.

@Sheldon says that $45K benefit is intangible, but:
1) If I were to become a platinum sponsor for DA, wouldn't I need to shell out $45k. How come that is intangible.
2) Why were other Drupal shops deprived of the opportunity for a $45K project (the website, project management and all).

If DA and DCI represent millions of developers and more million users, then they cannot simply shrug off things as being off the hat, or by saying that they are legally not bound to provide an explanation, when a senior member of the community (Alex) pursued this for 9 months, and now when he goes public (with inappropriate ways), now we have DA and DCI publishing COI guidlenes and other clarifications on so short notices. 9 months was a good time to do it publicly.

I'm not sure how conflict of

catch's picture

I'm not sure how conflict of interest operates in the US, in the UK at least it is generally like this:

Any member of any organisation is very likely to have a conflict of interest at some point unless the organisation is completely unrelated to all the rest of their personal and professional activities (and those of their family members and friends etc. etc.).

The important thing is not whether there is a conflict of interest at all, but the following:
- the organisation is made aware of the conflict of interest (would be pretty much impossible for it not to be in this particular case).
- that measures are taken that the conflict of interest does not swing a decision one way that otherwise would have gone a different way (from merlin's account that also seems to be the case, unanimous votes etc.)
- that there is accountability for the organisation as a whole that the first two are taken care of properly (certainly in terms of transparency there are significant deficiencies around this for the DA in general).

You cannot simply say to me now that if I am unhappy with the way things are done, then I should demand a refund of my donations (which are not assured to be released) and simply resign from the community.

That's good, because I didn't say that?

I did not mean DA should be using lowest bid freelancers.

PeoplePerHour is a service precisely for this - from what I saw on there you put up projects and people bid for it in a reverse auction.

But hey, you cannot simply present a 500 hour estimate (and later say it was off the hat), and end up with 1800+ hours excess.

Again this hasn't happened.

There are two things we know:
- the original agreement was for 500 hours.
- the number of hours recorded was over 2000.

I made a further supposition, (which is not based in any fact, it's just a guess), that 500 hours was a 'ballpark minimum', not an actual estimate or cap of hours expected to be worked. That means from DrupalCon's point of view, if 500 hours get worked, it meets the requirements, if a lot more are worked, it's a bonus for DrupalCon (although it might not reflect well on the overall workload to get a DrupalCon produced).

If you think that DrupalCon should be open tender, that is a completely different discussion IMO - the same can be said for any previous DrupalCon like SF, Boston, DC for which this set of allegations is not being made.

There is not much left for me

dconfeedback's picture

There is not much left for me to disagree with you. DA and DCI have certainly erred in living up to the standards such organizations are expected to (I again repeat, 9 months were more than enough for DA/DCI to explain to its members and general public how they handled things, that would have prevented this situation from arising at all).

Secondly, I was a bit (rather more) disturbed by the way some high profile members came out with their words chosen and tone of the comments. I have said this earlier, Alex went overboard in my opinion, but a couple of DA members went more overboard (again in my opinion).

I would not debate on PPH merits, but the fact on PPH is clients generally provide a budget range for their jobs, and more than 70% of these jobs go to bids that are between 50-80% of the range (So, if client provided a budget of 100-200 dollars, more than 70% of the time, the bid is won between 140-170 dollars).
And the work produced is of great quality too.
Clients certainly see the the profile before allocating a job and freelancers/companies (including mine) certainly bid higher based on their our profile and win bids too.

DrupalCon, well that should certainly be openly tendered, but let's not discuss it here as you said. Thanks for your comments.

You might as well name names.

merlinofchaos's picture

You might as well name names. The only current DA member who posted is Gerhard. So if you're referring to a couple, the other one is clearly me.

If you think I went too far, I'd love some specifics. You have no idea how much I deleted and rewrote in my posts, and you must understand the only reason I got involved at all is because I am now ex-Drupal Association. I specifically am not speaking for the DA and I'm saddened somewhat that I'm reduced to part of "a couple of DA members". Most of the Drupal Association is terrified to engage in this discussion for precisely this reason. It's very very difficult to get into a discussion with someone who is opening the discussion with invectives.

Barters

Alex UA's picture

WRT the $45k benefit, Sheldon is simply wrong here. Barter income is income and must be reported as such on your tax forms.

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

Reading

Sheldon Rampton's picture

I never stated that barter income is not income. I stated, "For this to constitute 'benefits greater than Palantir received in return,' the IRS would have to conclude (a) that the value of a diamond sponsorship was truly $45,000, and (b) that Palantir delivered services of significantly less value than that amount."

Sheldon Rampton
Senior web developer, New York State Senate
http://www.nysenate.gov
http://drupal.org/user/13085

Off-base.

amye's picture

Conferences that are run by volunteers (I was a volunteer for Chicago) have a really hard time keeping track of their hours. Partly because you, as a volunteer, do not actually want to be tracking your time that you spend working for the betterment of an organization. I consider those hours a donation of my time and effort. I can roughly estimate those hours, but this is something I did to help pull together with a team.

I believe I can speak as a project manager and as an conference organizer - these two things are completely different in approach. You're advocating for a clear waterfall approach to a conference project management system, and because of that, you're inferring that Palantir, a development firm that does not specialize in event project management, didn't do right because they didn't follow that very rigid project management approach.

Thanks for your feedback

dconfeedback's picture

Thanks for your feedback @amye. I don't have much to say here, as managing events and conferences if not what I do. So I would take your word here, and agree with it.

But see my comment above, what I am saying is that first DA and DCI should have done things far more openly from the word go. And if I give them the benefit of doubt (like they are growing and doing things first-time, which I agree with somewhat), they should have come clean on this within the last 9 months when someone was pursuing them for explanations and details.

Growth Pain

tsvenson's picture

I have been following this discussion with great interest, as it has given me a unique opportunity to better get to understand the Drupal community as well as an insight into the work DA and DrupalCon Inc is doing. This information have taught me a lot about our community and will without a doubt help me better fit in.

Reading between the lines my respect for those who have been members since the beginning, as well as come in later, have only grown. I am amazed about how this group of people who started out coding, what is now an enormous ecosystem around Drupal, understood that they had to cut back on the coding part to make room for learning new skills. Skills they probably never thought they had to learn...

The skills I'm talking about is how to organize a community, lead it, deal with legal matters and everything else that had been put in place to help Drupal grow. Sure it has been far from perfect and many mistakes have been made during the journey. But without these fantastic individuals and organizations (both non profit and commercial) we wouldn't be where we are today.

I am glad so much work now is put into getting the organizations around Drupal up to the level then need to be to best serve the community. Realizing that full time staff is needed was long overdue, but since it started to happen things have improved. I'm sure it will help most everything improve from here on.

All this has happened at the same time Drupal have had an almost exponential growth. That in itself have made these tasks even harder and therefore makes it even more impressive when looking at where we are today. At least from my point of view we have a bunch of fantastic leaders and servants that other communities can only wish they had in their own.

This is a very open organization and I'm sure there will be many occasions in the future when discussions like this is going to happen. Each time we will learn to deal with it and be more prepared for the next one. In a way they will also be healthy as much dirty air will be cleared up. The main thing is that we try and make something positive out of it in the end.

Also, lets not forget that there are loads of examples in the corporate world where growing to fast have actually lead to the collapse of companies. Drupal is growing incredible fast, but so far the community have been able to manage it in a fantastic way.

This discussion gives at least me great hope for the future of Drupal, knowing the passion so many have for it!

--
/thomas
T: @tsvenson | S: tsvenson.com

Hmmm...so the DA is

shadcn's picture

Hmmm...so the DA is Dumbledore's Army and Alex UA is for Umbridge Army, right? :P

COI policy

Alex UA's picture

Quick update. The DA has finally publicly posted the COI policy for DrupalCon, Inc: http://association.drupal.org/system/files/Conflict%20of%20Interest%20Po...

Note- Jacob's claim is that the Drupal Association does not control DCI, and that DrupalCons are really decided upon by just Jacob, Angie, and Dries, so he has told me that he doesn't believe this COI applies to the actual DA (VZW).

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

More questions than answers

kreynen's picture

The more I read the more confused I get. If Alex was completely off base, I feel like everyone would be able to read through this thread, Jacob's post, and AuditTheDABoard.com and come to that conclusion on their own.

Instead, I'm more confused. Can anyone answer these questions...

1) Who actually approved the Palantir contract that exchanged 500 hours or work for something other companies paid $45,000 for? In at least 2 places in his post Jacob makes it sound like the DCI board and DA board are completely different groups of people.

Although Drupal VZW does not run DrupalCon, the two organizations often work very closely together because we believe that it's in the best interest of the broader Drupal Community to do so.

Drupal VZW has absolutely no control over DCI, but the Board of Directors of DCI always independently considers the advice and counsel of Drupal VZW, which represents many of the beliefs of the broader Drupal community.

But then he goes on to say...

As the Executive Director of DrupalCon Inc. and the principle in the decision to contract with Palantir.net. I believe that we made the right decision in offering Palantir.net a sponsorship in exchange for their work.

How is it that the ED of DCI is also the ED of DA and that person was the principle decision making in this contract, but the DA does not control the DCI? On the 2010 990 IRS form, Jacob is listed as Treasurer. Was he the Treasurer and Executive Director?

3) @merlinofchaos, you said that your job with the DA "was to watch for corruption". Was that only in reference to selecting Chicago to host 2010 or was the contract between DCI and Palantir reviewed by the DA as well? If it was reviewed, when did that happen?

4) What information did Jacob and anyone else within DCI and/or DA who reviewed that contract use to determine that the Project Management, Website Development, Graphic Design for DrupalCon Chicago could be done in < 500 hours? Was this based on data from pervious DrupalCons? If the 500 hour figure was "pulled from a hat" as @catch suggested, was there a plan for the additional 1800 hours of work or was that work that really didn't need to be done and just making this discussion more confusing than it needs to be?

5) Was GVS and a designer paid in addition to Panatir's hours as Alex claims?

6) As @eaton claimed, has it been the standard for companies involved in DrupalCon to receive a sponsorship equivalent to hours they've volunteered at a rate of $75-90? If so, can someone post the companies that have been given this deal in the past and which companies have this type of deal for London and Denver?

They received a Diamond Sponsorship, equivalent to the sponsorship and branding placement that other companies who've organized DrupalCon have received in the past.

If every other DrupalCon had deals like this and the Project Management, Website Development, Graphic Design had been done in < 500 hours in the past, can someone with that information post it?

COD

catch's picture

With GVS, they were paid to work on the COD distribution - this is now used as the basis of all DrupalCon sites to save them being built completely from scratch. I don't know anything about the COD specifically, or which DrupalCon it was first used for, but I believe Alex's implication is that if COD was used to build the site, then GVS did the bulk of the work on the site rather than Palantir.

Really, there are two possible accusations being made there, since Alex didn't exactly spell out what he was saying (a common pattern over the past 9 months), I can only guess what he actually means, here's the two possible interpretations:

  1. The existence of COD means that the site would take less time to build, therefore the '500 hours' (or 2000+ hours) number should be questioned in this light. This is the only rational argument that could be made, although it's a funny argument coming from someone who owns a company that builds sites with Drupal (which also saves time compared to starting 'from scratch').

  2. That the DA paid 'twice' for the same work. Once to GVS to actually build COD (or the Chicago site itself), and once to the company in question via a sponsorship for work that never got done because GVS did it. To me that is how the accusation looks to be worded, although given Jacob's post about what actually happened, it is just a differently worded version of #1 when it comes down to it (unless he's trying to claim that no work was done on the site at all except by GVS and 'the designer').

@catch, I don't think it's

kreynen's picture

@catch,

I don't think it's either of those. Jacob's numbers just don't add up...

Conference over conference, Palantir's services saved DrupalCon over $52,000 reducing the costs for the same three line items from $97,685 to just $45,000.

Maybe I'm misreading this, but the Chicago total for the three line items is $59,880. Not $45,000. The Website Development cost is listed $29,880... $14,880 more than what I can only assume is Palantir's $15,000. That assumes the $45,000 was split equally between the three line items and Palantir was 100% of the Project Management and Graphic Design costs. If that is the case, the Palantir contract only saved $37,805... but even that number is hard to justify savings since the design costs almost tripled from San Francisco to Chicago. Call me crazy, but paying 3x what I paid the year before for something isn't saving $$.

Breaking down the hours by category, Palantir reported just over 258 hours of design work which means DCI was paying roughly $60/hour for that work. If you subtract the $9208 increase in Design, we are left with just $28,597 in savings from the Website Development and Project management lines. Obviously breaking down the numbers this way means that Palantir earned even less that $20/hour for their Website Development and Project Management time, but the Graphic Design hours actually came close the contract estimates.

$28,597 is still a big number, but not nearly as impressive as the $52,000 Jacob originally claimed. I have no idea if the $14,880 difference in Website Development costs was just GVS's COD work or GVS and a designer, but it could explain the difference in accounts.

It's possible that Jacob wasn't hiding the costs of GVS and the designer like Alex implied. He may have just made a mathematical error when highlighting the how much DCI saved by giving Palantir this contract.

John Albin explains the

catch's picture

John Albin explains the mysterious designer here, as well as some of the COD/GVS confusion http://association.drupal.org/node/1169#comment-1159 (short version, the designer is and was a Palantir employee and was not in any way paid by the DA).

I'm not sure if design costs include any non-website stuff, or who did that work (print programmes etc.), if they're different pools of money that might explain why the numbers don't add up though, or it could be an error as you say.

Good question, catch!

JohnAlbin's picture

I'm not sure if design costs include any non-website stuff, or who did that work (print programmes etc.)

If only others would ask good questions instead of making unfounded accusations.

The only design work for the entire conference was done by Palantir employees. The website design, program design, mobile app design, badge design, t-shirt design, posters, etc. were all done in-house by Palantir. I'm not aware of anyone else being contracted to do any design.

I believe that’s why Jacob quoted $15k for design work, i.e. $45k ÷ 3 = $15k for each of the 3 things Palantir was responsible for: graphic design, website development, and project management. And I suspect the $29,880 that Jacob quoted for website development was a combination of the $15k for Palantir and the monies paid to GVS for their work on the COD distribution.

  - John (JohnAlbin)

Apples vs. Oranges

Alex UA's picture

I don't have access to the actual budgets, but I don't believe that the line-items truly match. For example, "staff" doesn't actually compare, because the other items below it are for tasks (if the staff didn't work on the items below it in DCC, what did they work on, and why weren't those tasks necessary in DCSF?).

Anyway, I am asking for an audit, and it is required by law, so this should be clearer after that point.

Update: I was wrong, an audit is not required by law because DCI had $1.5m in revenue, not $2m

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

The Staff line items are, I

merlinofchaos's picture

The Staff line items are, I believe, Neil Kent and Megan Sanicki's salaries.

There was some design

gdemet's picture

There was some design production work for signage that was contracted to Groundswell, and the badges were designed by a non-Palantir volunteer (Chad Goodrum), but all other design work was done by Palantir. As I mentioned in my response to Earl, mobile app design and development was not part of our responsibilities under the agreement, so those hours were not included in our reports to DCI.

Ok, then.

JohnAlbin's picture

I'm not aware of anyone else being contracted to do any design.

I am now aware of such work. :-D

  - John (JohnAlbin)

RFP

Alex UA's picture

Catch, I was going off of the fact that GVS won the RFP to rebuild the DrupalCon website. However, on the COD site it says:

DrupalCon Chicago was a joint effort between GVS and Palantir.net. GVS built the site with COD, and many improvements that were made to the DrupalCon site were contributed back to COD.

And over at the GVS site it says Palantir helped with theming and content, the real question is whether or not the money paid to GVS is in the web development bucket that Jacob describes. To spell it out: the numbers are fishy, and don't seem to add up.

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

Your comment said this

catch's picture

Your comment said this http://association.drupal.org/node/1169#comment-1099

As just one example: you say Palantir.net built the website, and yet GVS was paid to do so (I assume not via Palantir's bartered contract). Also, during the closing plenary, Palantir.net thanked the designers that the DA hired for doing the web design, so again I think you're not telling the truth.

That's been proved wrong on two counts:

  1. "GVS was paid to [build the Chicago DrupalCon website]". GVS did not do the full site build, they built COD, which was used as the basis for the site, while Palantir did design, theming, content, QA, etc. - basically all the Chicago-specific stuff. It may be confusing but it is not what you claimed.

  2. A 'designer' was hired by the DA, when in fact no such designer was hired by the DA - you simply misconstrued/mis-rembered something, which was easily clarified by re-watching the video, as John Albin appears to have done.

So are you going to retract those two accusations then?

It's still not entirely clear to me what the dividing line between the work GVS did and Palantir did was, but I have had similar problems figuring out that dividing line on multi-shop projects plenty of times myself, and that's when I was working on the project rather than hearing about it third hand.

If you think the numbers

catch's picture

If you think the numbers don't add up despite that, then it's entirely up to you whether you want to argue that. But you should not argue it based on completely inaccurate and easily disprovable information as you have done.

Proven wrong?

Alex UA's picture

First, saying "I think" is not an accusation, though my stating that the numbers aren't trustworthy is, but either way I was wrong about the designer and I can mention that on the DA site if you think it's appropriate. But wrt the web development, the GVS post says that Palantir was responsible for theming and content. I've never heard content mentioned as part of a web development project before, and at any rate I don't know if anything at all was paid for content in past years (doubtful), so if it is just for theming then the claim is that there was at least 167 hours of theming work done on the site ($15,000/$90 hr), which seems incredibly high.

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

When you say "I think you're

catch's picture

When you say "I think you're not telling the truth", that is an accusation, it's the same as saying "I think you are a lying".

Either way I do think it is appropriate to correct the designer comment on the association site.

It's wrong, and people without all the context are going to wonder who this designer was that got paid separately (I was certainly wondering who that mysterious shadowy non-Palantir-employee was).

It undermines the rest of your argument. Potentially Jacob actually did mess up the numbers on that blog post. If he did, that doesn't necessarily implicate wrong-doing, but in the circumstances would be a proper fuck-up and won't look good at a minimum, (I haven't reviewed them and don't have an opinion either way on their accuracy, I'm just reviewing your arguments at the moment). If you base your argument for this on wrong information, then it's more likely people will be defensive about the accusation as a whole, rather than say "oh actually I did fuck up here's a correction." If people were really being nefarious, then arguments that can be easily demolished detract from anything with substance to it.

When you attribute everything to corruption and conspiracies (hard to prove, depends on legal technicalities that most of us don't get, is extremely dramatic etc., potentially has consequences outside any of the people involved if the courts or IRS were brought in), and when those allegations are based on completely false information, then it is not surprising that people are spending their finding the massive holes in the logic.

Damien, merlinofchaos and others have pointed out real, structural issues in the DA - which are related to your allegations but certainly not the focus of them. When you have people waging personal vendettas against an organisation that are easily disprovable and puts that organisation on the defensive, that makes it considerably harder for any other criticism to be made and properly dealt with - either by you, or by other people who might have criticisms of the DA (which clearly many people do). That is what has personally annoyed me with this campaign and other interactions we have had previously - that you are very interested in corruption and legality, but seemingly not interested in structural deficiencies which can be far more harmful regardless of the individual intentions of the actors.

On content, I have seen content included in web development projects before, I think there was some kind of copy-writing element to the redesign work on Drupal.org for the very main landing pages although don't know the details of that either. This seems like another side-issue though.

On theming, if it's just one theme then 167 does seem at the high end of hours for a theme. However if there was a separate mobile theme/mobile support (which there was), and a standalone mobile app (which there was) it starts to look a lot less high.

I feel you...

Alex UA's picture

I cannot edit my comment, because it has a reply on it, so I cannot change the actual comment. If someone else can do so, then please do. In the meantime I will post a correction.

When you attribute everything to corruption and conspiracies (hard to prove, depends on legal technicalities that most of us don't get, is extremely dramatic etc., potentially has consequences outside any of the people involved if the courts or IRS were brought in), and when those allegations are based on completely false information, then it is not surprising that people are spending their finding the massive holes in the logic.

Yes, I was wrong to go about it in the way I did, there is no excuse for acting out of anger/frustration, and I am sorry for that. I should not have suggested that we bring in the authorities, I should have simply posted my concerns in the public square (without the word "accuse").

But, I don't believe that it was "completely false information", I do believe there were Conflicts-of-Interest that are not hard to prove, and I have been trying to get the full information publicized for a long time now. Note that much of the information that is becoming public now, was only made public after the site was live, while (for example) I've been requesting the COI for months.

Also, this is not a personal vendetta. I believe very strongly in the mission of the DA (or is it DCI?) and want to see our communities grow and flourish. I have sponsored numerous events, costing tens-of-thousands of dollars, to local and national events here in the US over the past year, and much of those funds were sent to DCI. I feel that there is at least an appearance of something improper, and a pretty clear case of a COI, but I should not have resorted to the tactics and words that I resorted to. WRT the site I launched, I'm happy to fix any factual errors or remove any particular content that seems incorrect, but I cannot take it down until I am certain that a full and independent group from the community (not including myself) looks through these docs.

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

But, I don't believe that it

catch's picture

But, I don't believe that it was "completely false information", I do believe there were Conflicts-of-Interest that are not hard to prove, and I have been trying to get the full information publicized for a long time now. Note that much of the information that is becoming public now, was only made public after the site was live, while (for example) I've been requesting the COI for months.

Well some of the information (like phantom designers), was completely false, so we are faced with figuring which bits have any basis, and which don't.

To me it is blindlngly obvious that there are conflicts of interest - in exactly the same way as there were for Boston (Acquia employers/employees are on the DA), and SF (Chapter 3 owners/employees are on the DA but I don't think on the board). However when you are accusing someone of wrongdoing, the issue is not that a conflict of interest exists, but that it was not handled properly. That's especially true when you are taking the legalistic approach that you have.

If you were to simply point out that many of the company associations of people on the DA are a bit incestuous, that's a completely reasonable argument to make - there is a relatively small gene pool in terms of companies represented. However that argument can also be made in other areas of Drupal, like top contributors for Drupal core for example (some are more or less independent, but some companies have multiple employees listed in the stats). There are many reasons for this - some companies make various kinds of contributions to Drupal a priority so their employees end up on those lists, sometimes people get employed by companies because they have a strong track record of contributions etc. etc., but the issue exists, is easy to figure out based on published information, and can be discussed without accusing anyone of corruption or wrongdoing.

It is very much public domain who owns what and who works for who on the DA. If someone on the DA owned a stake in a Drupal shop or similar that wasn't public knowledge and didn't disclose it, that's the sort of thing where the existence of the conflict of interest would come in. It's not impossible that this could happen one day, but that's not even in question here.

It is also public domain that the Field Museum is one of Palantir's clients, it was mentioned publically at least as early as 10th January 2011 - http://www.palantir.net/blog/new-year-new-drupal-new-faces - some Drupal shops have 'secret' clients (NDA or just project not announced), like Acquia and twitter recently, in that case it could easily fall foul of rules around conflict of interest. But again, that is clearly not the case here.

Then you have decisions being made which wouldn't be had the conflict of interest. In the case of the main Chicago vote, since it was unanimous, you'd have to argue that everyone involved in that decision was complicit in the corruption you're accusing three people of - doing friends favours or whatever, but you have made it clear that this is not the accusation you're levelling.

agree mostly

Alex UA's picture

...except for a few points. Conflicts-of-Interest are a form of Corruption, so if you believe that it's obvious that there are COIs, then you are (imo) admitting to that there are forms of corruption. And yes, while COIs always exist, I don't believe that this COI was handled properly. I would say that DCSF and DCDC don't apply because they didn't have a voting board member, though the case could be made for Acquia in Boston (I don't know about that Con or vote, but I don't believe anyone from Acquia was paid a dime for their time- I could be wrong). Also, I don't believe it's fair to blame the entire board for the mishandling of the COI, though I can see the logic.

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

trying again..

catch's picture

If you were voting for a DrupalCon location and simply happened to live in one of the cities being proposed, then that is a conflict of interest - you might not need to pay for travel, hotel etc. compared to if it was held a couple of thousand miles away. That might be the only benefit for you to it being held in your city (especially with Drupal, lots of people work remotely), but it would still be a benefit.

However, the simple fact that there was a nomination for a city that happened to be where you live does not mean there is a 'form of corruption' - you can't help where you live much. However, there might well be a legitimate complaint if you ended up with the swing vote, if you were planning to move to that city but hadn't told anyone etc. Again, this is about how the conflict of interest is handled, not whether it exists in the first place.

So unless you think DrupalCon should never, ever be held in the city where one of the decision makers might be living at the time of the conference, then it is a bit silly to say that any conflict of interest in and of itself is a 'form of corruption', because it is clearly not.

And whether there is payment or not does not affect this - if lots of Acquia employees live in Boston, then it reduces travel costs to send those employees to DrupalCon compared to if it's in Texas (and etc.) which is a material benefit of the conference location that would fall under the laws you're clinging to.

I don't believe this was actually the case for DrupalCon Boston since Acquia was extremely small then compared to now without anywhere near as many employees, and several of the employees they had at that time were remote. Even if it was the case, it's not evidence of corruption or law-breaking, just that there would be a conflict of interest.

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Alex -

No, a conflict of interest is NOT a form of corruption. A conflict of interest is an acknowledgement that a decision-maker is not impartial. It does not mean that the individual acted in a self-serving manner but rather that the potential exists.

This is another example of you making a valid point (the suggestion could be a rule be added that board members must declare any conflict of interest and recuse themselves in decisions where they are not able to act impartially. )

Where you are wrong, Alex, is to conclude that corruption happened. The existence of a conflict of interest in no way proves corruption.

Slow down your thinking -- treat your sentences like code that has to run on a server. All the dots have to connect before you can claim corruption. I still believe you have failed to make that case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_of_interest

Not all COIs are corruption,

Alex UA's picture

Not all COIs are corruption, but some certainly are, and IMO the distinction lies with the type of COI (in this case Self Dealing) as well as the process that related to the COI. Anyway, from your link:

Recusal
Those with a conflict of interest are expected to recuse themselves from (i.e., abstain from) decisions where such a conflict exists. The imperative for recusal varies depending upon the circumstance and profession, either as common sense ethics, codified ethics, or by statute. For example, if the governing board of a government agency is considering hiring a consulting firm for some task, and one firm being considered has, as a partner, a close relative of one of the board's members, then that board member should not vote on which firm is to be selected. In fact, to minimize any conflict, the board member should not participate in any way in the decision, including discussions.

For a great primer on nonprofits and conflicts of interest, take a look at this boardsource Q&A.

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

Still disagree :)

AmyStephen's picture

NEVER is a COI == corruption. Never, ever, ever, ever, Alex. It is acting on a COI that could be corrupt -- and that's the element you have failed to demonstrate -- anyone acting in a corrupt manner.

The link is a good one and it echos points in I made in my previous post. The link also adds good ideas about specific dollar amounts for bids, as well. Definitely recommend the association look at this.

In fact, I'd recommend the Drupal Association and Joomla OSM find time to swap stories. Both boards are struggling with the same need for increasing transparency and defining specifics in their rules/ OSM has made many improvements in the past year to set expectation, share agendas and board minutes, which has helped prevent this type of community outcry. It wasn't a pleasant era when we went through this period of calling OSM to account. It's much, much better now, although there is still room for growth.

Again, my point to you is you DO have good ideas for improving the accountability for the association. However, pointing out that these safeguards were not in place for this event does not naturally follow that corruption took place, as you claim.

The best thing you are doing right now for the association is motivating them to get their act together so that next time someone makes these claims, they have all the t's crossed and i's dotted and can defend themselves.

Fine

Alex UA's picture

I'm fine with accepting your definition of COI as not corruption itself, but as the source of corruption. With that said, violating a COI or board ethics while acting on behalf of a charity is certainly corruption. As mentioned in that boardsource post, in order to remove suspicion that a COI has led to corruption, anyone with a direct or indirect financial interest in the outcome should abstain from debates and voting. That did not happen, and thus this appears corrupt.

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

Kieran was a voting board

merlinofchaos's picture

Kieran was a voting board member and heavily involved in the San Francisco effort.

True

Alex UA's picture

He too should have abstained, but on the other hand, his vote didn't lead to Acquia getting a contract.

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

COIs are unavoidable in any organization or individual

rfay's picture

Conflicts of interest are something we all deal with in our everyday life. They are a form of corruption only when excluded by policy or law. In many cases, many key conflicts must be excluded, but they're not fundamentally illegal, immoral, or corrupt.

Easy examples of conflicts of interest we all deal with regularly:

  • If I take bid for this contract will I have enough time for my family?
  • If I help organize this conference, which will be good for the community, will it help my standing in the community and perhaps increase my billable rate?
  • If I help organize this conference, will my shop go bankrupt because of the enormous effort involved?
  • If I pursue possible malfeasance in my organization (which might make the organization more transparent in the future) might this cause great rancor, diminish the organization, or make me look like a rogue or negative influence in the community?

Examples of conflicts of interest that western cultures have mostly agreed are corrupt:

  • Requesting, accepting, or offering a bribe. (This is not universally agreed to be corrupt, although western countries have codified it.)
  • Using public power for private benefit (having the government agency or contractor redecorate my house)

Essentially, we all deal with conflicts of interest all the time. The key issues IMO are:

  • Have the policy expectations of the decider been clarified? (Have I been told that it's not OK to take a bribe?)
  • Is the conflict avoidable, or must it be just be acknowledged and accepted? (There are many of these, as shown above)

In our little community there are a few things we can do to manage conflicts of interest:

  • Explicitly acknowledge conflicts of interest.
  • Agree on a policy on what conflicts must be excluded.
  • Find sustainable ways to disclose relevant information so that inappropriate violations of policy may be dealt with.

Is there a way that we can find common ground to deal with conflicts of interest in the future, rather than a rather infinite bashing of the past? I'd sure love to move from "hurt the DA and Palantir as much as possible" and change to "How can our policies and procedures prevent damaging conflicts of interest in the future".

kreynen: I'll do what I can

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kreynen: I'll do what I can to answer this. Some of this stuff I can't get into in proper detail because I wasn't actually involved in putting on Drupalcon.

1) Once DCI was taken over so it could run DrupalCon guided by the Drupal Association, Dries, Jacob and Angie officially became the sole board of DrupalCon, Inc. The fact that these 3 people are the same is what allows DCI and Drupal vzw to act in concert. Because Jacob is the ED of Drupal vzw and Dries is president, it is pretty easy to transfer marching orders, as it were, from one to another. But for legal reasons (don't ask me to explain them, I Am Not A Lawyer) the organizations are separate. When Jacob stepped down as treasurer of Drupal vzw, I believe he also stepped off the board at DCI and has an unpaid position within DCI allowing him to be the Executive Director. Let me stress "I believe" -- I can't confirm the accuracy of this statement.

2) There wasn't a #2. :)

3) No, that was a reference to the actual job of the General Assembly. We decided early on, as a group, that the primary responsibility of the General Assembly was to ensure that we felt the board we elected was acting in the best interests of the community. My position on the North American Regional Organizing Committee was something different. That was a committee formed by Events director Cary Gordon to try and select DC 2012. I was only involved in selecting DC 2009 and 2010 directly in the sense that I was involved primarily in mailing list discussions on the topic before the board vote actually happened. I do certainly remember a number of parties expressing frustrating, from both the SF and Chicago camps, at how badly the DA was dragging its feet in making decisions.

And no, we didn't do formal reviews, if that's what you're asking.

4) Unfortunately the level of detail (the number of hours needed) is something I can't answer. I know that the experience of prior Drupalcons tells us that actually running the conference is a very, very big job, and that you can ask DevSeed or any of the San Francisco team how much time they have to spend just coordinating things.

5) I think this got answered elsewhere. I know GVS was paid, and I know GVS participated, and I know Palantir also participated. I also know that the website was a big, big point of contention at one point as well, because of things like drupal.org integration (bakery) and integration with the ticket purchasing system and the like. I do not remember the details on that part.

6) I don't know what the companies running DrupalCon have received for doing so. I do know that by the time we were changing the model for DCSF and Chicago, we realized that what DevSeed paid, as a company, to run DrupalCon simply wasn't sustainable. Bonnie Bogle basically worked on DrupalCon DC, to my understanding, full time for about 4 months. Assuming 160 hours per month, that alone is over 600 hours of project management, and that's just Bonnie's time. I wasn't involved in DCDC, though, and I am just repeating numbers out of memory. I would love for someone closer to DCDC to give me proper numbers for what they invested. Bonnie's time would be under the "Project Management" heading, I believe.

The point is: we, as a group, knew that it was going to become increasingly difficult to ask for companies to give that much twice a year. So even if "Standards" were set earlier, we were in the process of trying to change how things worked. Chicago was the first convention run on the entirely new model.

In terms of justifying the hours that Palantir spent, I'm confident most of it ended up in the "Project Management" section. Remember that DrupalCon is a multi-thousand person event and time is spent coordinating the massive list of what goes together. In past Drupalcons, I've often wondered what's so hard about it, but event management has a way of exploding in terms of time taken. Also, something Jacob left out of his post: Palantir commissioned a mobile app and spent a pretty big chunk of time writing it and keeping it up to date, and that's part of Palantir's billed expenses. Maybe that goes under the 'website' category? It might, since the mobile app interfaced with the website and therefore can be considered part of it. If so, it's safe to assume a pretty big chunk of Palantir's hours went into that.

Palantir also handled customer service issues, and coordinated several related events including a speaker's reception and conference after party, etc. Personally I think $45K for what Palantir did was pretty reasonable. I'd be curious to know what companies like Chapter Three and Commerce Guys received for their involvement in DCSF, and what DevSeed received for its involvement in DCDC. I don't really know (because all the budgets I looked at have always been high level; what the money is being spent on, but not necessarily to whom).

In answer to who approved this contract with Palantir, that can only be Jacob Redding and/or Neil Kent. When Neil was hired, he bacame Drupal vzw's events manager for real, and he took on vendor relations. The board does not vote on individual spends, as a rule. They vote to approve lump sums of money for specific projects. For Drupalcon Chicago, a budget was submitted, argued over endlessly (and believe me, it was endless. I wanted to shoot myself in the head over that argument) and approved. But it was a budget, and it was high level, and I am sure it did not include each and every vendor. Ultimately it broke down the expected spending by category, compared it to the expected revenue based upon a series of possible attendance scenarios. It's worth mentioning that Chicago was budgeted to be able to succeed, financially, assuming the same attendance as DCDC, which was because we wanted to make sure we were prepared for now growth. Then DCSF grew massively and we were pretty confident Chicago would be bigger than DCDC. It was. :)

Alex: The numbers that Jacob posted were, if I've got this right, prepared by the accountant contracted to Drupal vzw. To my understanding, they have been passed through untouched. The accountant categorized things in the ways accountants do. I don't have any insight into how the accountant actually allotted Palantir's in-kind payment. Nor am I likely to, I suppose. Even when I was in the DA, I was the last person to dig into how an accountant operates. The numbers balance at the end.

Minor correction RE mobile app

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I'm in the process of composing a larger response that should clear up a lot of the confusion surrounding our work on DrupalCon Chicago that will go up later today, but I wanted to correct just one point.

Development of a mobile app for DrupalCon was not part of Palantir's responsibilities under the agreement we had with DrupalCon, Inc., so time spent on that was not included in the 2,300 hours reported to DCI. Mobile development used a combination of an additional 379 donated Palantir hours and considerable personal time volunteered by the team that worked on it.

Thanks, George. I edited my

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Thanks, George. I edited my reply to strike that out (though I left the words so people can see the history).

@merlinofchaos, Thanks!

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@merlinofchaos, Thanks! That adds clarity to several things for me.

DrupalCon Paris and CPH

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Just for informational purposes as I think it is important to share:
DrupalCon Paris: the organising company received a platinum sponsorship
[Corecction]DrupalCon CPH: there was no work-for-sponsorship exchange, but geek royale managed/did work on the website and was paid €14,650.

Response re Jacob's roles

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Jacob is listed as Treasurer. Was he the Treasurer and Executive Director?

Yes, Jacob was at the same time Executive Director of DCI, board member and Treasurer of the DA, and board member and Treasurer of DCI. He was replaced in May of this year by Tiffany Farriss as Treasurer of the DA and Treasurer of DCI. Jacob remains a board member and permanent member of the DA.

Wow

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Was this announced someplace? I really should have gone public with this earlier, because this move seems incredibly brazen. Not only had I complained for months about possible COIs and self dealing on the board, but the entire excuse I was given by the DA and their counsel as to why there was no "self dealing" was that Tiffany was not on the board of the (c)3. The lawyer also explained that the harsh self-dealing rules against foundations didn't apply to a 509(a)2 nonprofit, but when I asked her if it was still okay to self deal for a (c)3 her only response to me was, again, Tiffany is not a board member of the (c)3.

My brain hurts. :(

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

Reposting comments

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At the request of @merlinofchaos, I am posting my comments here that originally appeared under Issues: Warn Alex UA about Community Conduct violation so that merlin can delete them from the original location:

First, I thought Merlin's comments in response to Alex's accusations were very helpful for the most part. They gave me some useful background in understanding this controversy and suggest to me that (1) there are indeed problems with DA's governance, but (2) those problems stem primarily from lack of time, resources and experience on the part of DA's board, and not from corruption. "Lack of time, resources and experience" are typical of the pains that an organization experiences when it grows, and Drupal has been growing.

Second, the implied call by Alex for people to report the Drupal Association to the IRS is a serious attack that seems unwarranted and provocative. If Alex feels there is a legal violation, he should simply report it himself rather than trying to incite other people to file the complaint for him. Either DA has broken the law or it hasn't, and if it has broken the law, Alex shouldn't be waiting until August to report it. The facts, however, suggest no legal violation. The IRS does not allow "inurement/private benefit," but this only applies if the DA board members enter "into an arrangement with the nonprofit and receives benefits greater than she or he provides in return." The $45,000 benefit which Palantir received in this case had no cash value whatsoever and consisted entirely of presumed advertising value. For this to constitute "benefits greater than Palantir received in return," the IRS would have to conclude (a) that the value of a diamond sponsorship was truly $45,000, and (b) that Palantir delivered services of significantly less value than that amount. Similarly, the IRS would have to conclude that the Chicago Field Museum of Natural History got paid more money than it should have been paid for the event which it hosted in connection with DrupalCon. (The Field Museum's website lists a price of $65 per person for events hosted there, so the fact that DrupalCon paid $45/person actually means that they got a discount.) In any case, the burden of proving inurement would be on the IRS or on the person who makes the accusation. The Drupal Association is not legally obligated to initiate an audit or any other investigation, and I think the IRS would be unlikely to initiate an investigation unless Alex comes up with stronger evidence of wrongdoing than he has thus far provided. I have some knowledge of the way the IRS treats allegations of conflict of interest in a nonprofit organization, and I do not believe that the information Alex has presented would lead to sanctions.

However, I think people should be careful about about using Drupal's Code of Conduct as a basis for punishing Alex. The Code contains some recommendations to "be considerate," "be respectful" and "consult others," but those are vague phrases. Moreover, the Code contains no enforcement mechanism, and I don't think it is a good precedent to conjure up an enforcement mechanism now just to deal with the fact that Alex has angered people. If Alex indeed believes that members of the DA board have conflicts of interest, there is nothing inconsiderate or disrespectful about him saying so. If he is saying those things when he knows otherwise, of course he is being disrespectful. The point is that the question of whether he has violated the Code of Conduct depends entirely on whether or not we happen to think he is sincere, and none of us is the Great Pumpkin with an inherent ability to judge whether someone is sincere. We can merely form an opinion about whether he is right on the facts. (My opinion, at present, is that he is wrong.) It would be censorious and could establish a bad precedent for future openness within the Drupal community if we were to start banning people whenever they happen to forcefully express beliefs which we do not share. If failure to "be respectful" is considered grounds for banning someone, should we also ban the user who responded by calling Alex a "douchebag," or ban Merlin for calling Alex a "terrorist"? People say heated things in the heat of passionate debate. I've done it myself, and I'm sure I could compile a long list of disrespectful remarks that have been posted on drupal.org by some of the most respected members of this community.

The main aspect of Alex's attack which may merit sanction is his attempt to drag in the IRS, which is a clear threat to hurt the Drupal Association financially. However, the Drupal Code of Conduct does not contain any language which says that people are forbidden from attempting to hurt the Drupal Association financially. If the Drupal community wishes to take self-governance seriously, it may have to accept that members of the Drupal community are allowed to take legal actions which the Drupal Association finds inconvenient, just as for example the U.S. constitution allows citizens to file lawsuits against the federal government (including meritless lawsuits) without accusing them of treason. I can imagine adding language to the Code of Conduct which would define a grievance process, and the rules for filing grievances might be defined in such a way that Alex's actions constitute a violation. At present, however, no such language or process exists, and it would be a poor precedent to simply "read between the lines" in order to artfully construe his actions as a violation. If people want to sanction Alex, there are informal ways to do that (through declining to offer him leadership positions or to do business with him), but I don't think the Code of Conduct in its current form can serve as a basis for sanctions.

Finally, I would just note that Alex has been a longtime member of the Drupal community, and although I think he has gone off the rails in this case, a number of his past contributions have been positive. I would hope that some way can be found to dial down the acrimony and resolve this amicably. Maybe I'm naive, and I'm sure I don't know all the history here, but that's what I wish would happen.

Follow-up:

@Alex UA: I don't see how your tactics can honestly be described as "an option of last resort." There are quite a few things that you could have done prior to attempting to bring the IRS into this which you have not done. I have nothing against your right to publicly ask questions, but there is a big gap between asking questions and calling in the IRS. You have not presented any evidence of actual lawbreaking, only questions and speculation. Between "questions and speculation" and "calling in the IRS" there are any number of options to which you could have resorted before going nuclear.

As for whether DA should have put a contract out to bid for the work that Palantir did, the Drupal Association is not required by law to put all contracts out to bid. You are certainly entitled to think that they should have done so, and if you feel that they are not managing your donations responsibly, you are not obligated to continue donating. You can even ask them to refund past donations, although they are under no obligation to do so. (I happen to sit on the board of directors of a nonprofit organization, and occasionally we have received requests of this nature. We have always complied with those requests, not because we are legally obligated but because we think it's the right thing to do.) You are also certainly entitled to argue passionately and publicly that DA should put all its contracts out to public bid. However, publicly alleging that they have violated the law and trying to drag in the IRS crosses a line that I do not think you should have crossed.

Sheldon Rampton
Senior web developer, New York State Senate
http://www.nysenate.gov
http://drupal.org/user/13085

Stop Snitching

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Sheldon, I have already admitted that my behavior was counter to the DCoC, and have accepted the warning, apologized, and promised not to go about raising hell my concerns in the same way in the future.

However, while I believe that reporting DCI to the IRS is not necessary at the moment, I find it troubling that you state that reporting to the authorities should be a DCoC conduct violation. 'Stop-snitching' doesn't seem like it should be a part of the DCoC. Regardless, I agreed that it was not necessary at this point, and thus I removed that page from the site.

Also, as I have pointed out numerous times, the prohibitions against Private Benefit are much broader and wide reaching than "excess value", and I do believe what I've described is the usage of a charity for Private Benefit, but IANAL nor am I the IRS, so I cannot say with any sort of certainty. I have talked to a lawyer about this (who felt that the transactions could fall outside of tax law) and can forward the documentation he sent me, but I don't have the IP rights to post it here.

Oh, and while putting a contract out for bid isn't necessary under the law, the DCI COI policy (published only after this all started) says:

To ensure the Corporation operates in a manner consistent with charitable purposes and does not
engage in activities that could jeopardize its tax-exempt status, periodic reviews shall be
conducted. The periodic reviews shall, at a minimum, include the following subjects:
1. Whether compensation arrangements and benefits are reasonable, based on competent survey information, and the result of arm’s length bargaining.
2. Whether partnerships, joint ventures, and arrangements with management corporations conform to the Corporation’s written policies, are properly recorded, reflect reasonable investment or payments for goods and services, further charitable purposes and do not result in inurement, impermissible private benefit or in an excess benefit transaction.

Now, the DA is currently claiming that the DA board has nothing to do with the DA's largest activity (throwing DrupalCon), and now doesn't list that it has any staff at all, even though I received a fundraising e-mail for the DA from DCI in the last couple of weeks, and I'm guessing that DCI pays for all of the DA's US expenses. Also, DCI has Drupal Association business cards, and doesn't have its own website, I wonder how one could plausibly argue that they are separate organizations.

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

Learn to read

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Alex wrote:

However, while I believe that reporting DCI to the IRS is not necessary at the moment, I find it troubling that you state that reporting to the authorities should be a DCoC conduct violation. 'Stop-snitching' doesn't seem like it should be a part of the DCoC.

And I in turn find it very troubling that Alex does not know how to read plain English. In fact, I did not write that reporting to the authorities should be a DCoC conduction violation. I wrote the exact opposite: "I don't think the Code of Conduct in its current form can serve as a basis for sanctions." I don't know how I could have expressed myself more simply and clearly.

Also, as I have pointed out numerous times, the prohibitions against Private Benefit are much broader and wide reaching than "excess value", and I do believe what I've described is the usage of a charity for Private Benefit, but IANAL nor am I the IRS, so I cannot say with any sort of certainty. I have talked to a lawyer about this (who felt that the transactions could fall outside of tax law) and can forward the documentation he sent me, but I don't have the IP rights to post it here.

Yes, Alex, you have pointed this out numerous times, and you have been wrong each time. For example, you wrote previously:

First, you are addressing the part of my accusation dealing with potential Inurement / Private Benefit, which I assume will come out in the wash of an independent audit, and which I do not claim to know the definitive answer to. But keep in mind, the prescriptions against Private Benefits go far beyond excess compensation, and would apply to any situation where a person used their influence (so, for example, if you were to say things like "I'm holding DrupalCon in Chicago to improve the business climate in which my business operates" that would, I believe, be an admittance to a Private Benefit- but again, I'm not sure).

I'm highlighting this comment because it demonstrates the wrongheadedness of Alex's approach to raising his concerns. After declaring that "prescriptions against Private Benefits go far beyond excess compensation" and speculating about how this might be the case, Alex concludes by writing, "I'm not sure." Where I come from, you'd better be pretty damn sure before you accuse another person publicly of breaking the law. I'm sure Alex would be very upset if I publicly accused him of being a criminal without actually knowing whether this was actually the case.

In fact, Alex is wrong about what the law and courts mean by the term "private benefits." For a detailed explanation and examples from case law, the IRS has published a document which you can find here. You can also find a useful and shorter explanation of the term here.

First, the terms "inurement" and "private benefits" are intended to distinguish between benefits that are provided to an organization's "insiders," such as board members, versus benefits that are provided to other private individuals ("outsiders"). Benefits that are provided to insiders are termed "inurement," while benefits to outsiders are termed "private benefits." When talking about benefits that may have been received by members of the DA board, therefore, "inurement" is the term that applies, not "private benefits."

Second, the IRS recognizes that private parties (both insiders and outsiders) may legitimately benefit from the activities of charitable organizations. As the IRS overview states, "In the charitable area, some private benefit may be unavoidable. The trick is to know when enough is enough." The IRS rule simply requires exempt organizations to use a standard of reasonableness to evaluate transactions to ensure they are not unduly benefiting private parties. With regard to inurement, it states, "There is no prohibition against an exempt charity dealing with its founders, members, or officers in seeing to the conduct of its economic affairs. However, any transaction between an organization and a private individual in which the individual appears to receive a disproportionate share of the benefits of the exchange relative to the charity served presents an inurement issue." The key word here is "disproportionate." The IRS has another document spelling out how it determines whether compensation by nonprofits to private parties is "disproportionate" or "reasonable compensation." I'm not going to quote chapter and verse on this, but I think the IRS would consider the compensation which Palantir received as reasonable based on (1) the number of hours that Palantir spent providing services, as well as (2) a comparison between the amount which Palantir received and the amount which was paid for comparable services at the previous DrupalCon in San Francisco.

Alex is simply wrong when he states that the rules regarding private benefit are more stringent than the rules regarding inurement. It's exactly the opposite: the rules regarding private benefite are less stringent. "In contrast to the absolute prohibition against inurement, the IRS has traditionally treated the flow of some private benefits to private parties who are 'outsiders' as not jeopardizing the organization's tax exempt status so long as the private benefit is purely 'incidental' to the organization’s tax-exempt purposes."

The specific benefit to which Alex refers above -- "holding DrupalCon in Chicago to improve the business climate in which my business operates" -- is a classic example of the sort of private benefit which the IRS considers "incidental" and therefore acceptable. For example, the IRS cites the case of a charitable organization that "was formed to preserve a lake as a public recreational facility" where "there necessarily was also significant benefit to the private individuals who owned lake front property." This private benefit was deemed incidental because "The benefits to be derived from the organization's activities flow principally to the general public," and "Any private benefits derived by the lake front property owners do not lessen the public benefits flowing from the organization's operations. In fact, it would be impossible for the organization to accomplish its purposes without providing benefits to the lake front property owners." Likewise, it is impossible to hold DrupalCon at all without improving the business climate in the location where it is held, so this benefit is incidental and acceptable.

Finally, Alex is quoting the DA's conflict of interest policy with respect to the decisions that were made about who would host DrupalCon 2011, but as Alex has acknowledged, the DA did not adopt that conflict of interest policy until after the DrupalCon 2011 decision had already been made. Since that policy did not exist at the time when that decision was made, the DA cannot be fairly accused of violating its COI policy. Of course, it would be preferable if the policy had existed sooner, but organizations do not spring into existence with all of their policies fully formed. I've worked on nonprofit boards, and quite often policies do not get written until someone in the organization notices that they are needed. That's normal and not corrupt. In any case, the policy which is now in place does not require competitive bidding either, so neither the law nor current DA policy requires it.

Sheldon Rampton
Senior web developer, New York State Senate
http://www.nysenate.gov
http://drupal.org/user/13085

Ok

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Sheldon, I took down that page, and yet your anger remains. There are two reasons why I just don't see what your argument is. #1, it is currently being claimed that DCI is not run by the DA, so Palantir would be 'disinterested' in that case, and the question would be valid on those grounds (I don't believe they are separate orgs, so this is only important in case they are in fact seperate). #2 is that I do not just think that the $45k contract needs to be addressed when thinking about the possibility of inurement/private benefit- I believe that all of the contracts should be examined by an independent person to ensure that the contract with the Field Museum (and potentially other contracts for services around the event) were completely on the "up and up". #3- I don't agree with your reading of the situation wrt what things cost (for example, you quoted $65/head at the museum, which is for a max of 25 people), but ultimately, since the DA and DCI are completely opaque, what else am I supposed to go on but appearances? It is my opinion that a contract signed with a client of the board appears to be questionable, and the COI was certainly in place at the time it was signed. The COI states how this should have been dealt with... was it?

Since what you appear to want is for me to agree that I will not report the DA to the IRS, then I will give you that assurance if it will help move this forward. For the record you said "The main aspect of Alex's attack which may merit sanction is his attempt to drag in the IRS, which is a clear threat to hurt the Drupal Association financially." To be clear: I believe my numerous donations to the Drupal Assocation (or, I suppose DCI if they really aren't the DA) prove that I am not trying to hurt the DA. In the midst of all this I still purchased a sponsorship for DCC and renewed my DA memberships. I only wanted to appeal to the IRS because I felt helpless, and felt that the DA was just going to "go about its business" without addressing what I felt, and still feel, are serious charges. I obviously wasn't helpless, I obviously shouldn't have said some of the things I said, and I have removed the post you objected to.

Anyway, I already apologized once for my flames, and I'll do it as many times as I have to. I was wrong to start things in this way, I know that, I am sincerely sorry, and I won't let it happen again.

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

Alex wrote: For the record

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Alex wrote:

For the record you said "The main aspect of Alex's attack which may merit sanction is his attempt to drag in the IRS, which is a clear threat to hurt the Drupal Association financially."

Yes, and then I went on to state that I did not think the Drupal Code of Conduct could serve as a basis for any such sanctions, adding that if people wanted to punish you they should do informally (for example, by declining to do business with you). I think what I wrote was very clear, and I find it irritating that you continue to wilfully misrepresent what I wrote. I find it personally insulting that you described my position as a demand that you "stop snitching," when in fact this is very far from what I wrote. (I even stated that if the law has been broken, you should report it now rather than wait until August.) I think moreover the fact that you misinterpreted what I wrote and then insulted me on the basis of that misinterpretation is an example of the flawed way that you are communicating with people. You are now trying to dial down the anger that you have brought down upon yourself, but even in the act of doing so, you still seem to be filtering all of your communications through some kind of assumption that everyone else here is corrupt and you are a noble whistleblower.

Furthermore, you continue to allege that laws may have been broken which pertain to the Drupal Association's status as a tax-exempt nonprofit organization. I believe that you're wrong about that. The main thrust of my previous comment was aimed at showing how I think you're wrong based on my understanding of the laws and how the IRS interprets them. Regardless of whether or not you are currently still threatening to "snitch" to the IRS (your phrase), I think it is appropriate for me to respond to the question of whether you have your facts correct.

Sheldon Rampton
Senior web developer, New York State Senate
http://www.nysenate.gov
http://drupal.org/user/13085

So we disagree...

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noted. I'm sorry if you felt I purposefully misrepresented what you said- it was my interpretation and I stated why. With regards to the law, neither of us is a lawyer. If no laws were broken, that's great, but does it negate the rest of my concerns? I never stated that there was inurement as a fact, but I believe that because of the appearance of a conflict, and the lack of transparency on the issue, that the question is valid.

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

I don't know if you

Sheldon Rampton's picture

I don't know if you "purposely" misrepresented what I wrote, but you clearly misrepresented it, and that in turn forces me to question how accurately you have interpreted other, more central facts relevant to this controversy. My frank impression is that you have a personality which places the worst possible construction on things that other people say and do. If that's how you perceive the world, then your behavior is actually very comprehensible. If you believe that other people are hostile and unethical, then you would naturally react with the anger and accusations that you have displayed. I don't doubt that your beliefs are sincere. I just think you're wrong. And although I find your statements and actions irritating, I'm not all that angry with you.

As for whether you stated that inurement was a fact, your threat to drag in the IRS went beyond reasonable behavior based on the evidence that you presented. Even though you have now retracted that threat, the mere fact that you threatened once to pull that trigger is bound to leave people still wary of you. A number of people here, such as merlinofchaos, have expressed concern that by taking things to that level, you may actually be undermining rather than encouraging transparency and public discussion of changes which they agree are important to the Drupal Association.

I am reminded somewhat of events that transpired surrounding the death of my father from cancer more than a decade ago. During the course of his treatment, one of his surgeons made a comment which (although entirely accurate) was interpreted by my father's wife as evidence of insensitivity and indifference. She began threatening loudly to sue the hospital. The hospital reacted by going into "avoid a lawsuit" mode, which meant that although the doctors and nurses continued to be polite and factually accurate in their communications, they were much less candid, and it became very difficult for me to get straight answers from them about whether my father would ever leave the hospital or how much longer he was likely to live. That's what happens when you threaten to sic legal action. It shuts down communication rather than opening it up. If you really want to encourage transparency, I think you would accomplish more by figuring out how to get people to trust you than by making them fear you.

Sheldon Rampton
Senior web developer, New York State Senate
http://www.nysenate.gov
http://drupal.org/user/13085

Thanks for sharing that story

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Thanks for sharing that story Sheldon, I definitely will take it to heart. I did not intend to shut down the conversation, but I obviously did, and it won't happen again. At this point I guess I'll just have to live with people being weary of me.

And yes, my thinking is that people in general are not deserving of trust without something to ensure that there is a consequence for their actions if they break that trust, which is to say I believe in "trust, but verify". This is, IMO, at the heart of open source, and was one of the primary factors mentioned in the DoD's Open Source memo. It is also why I've been so enraged by the secrecy of the DA/DCI, there is simply no way to verify that they are holding their members accountable for their actions, and there are clear appearances of COIs and other questionable behaviors. This is exactly what I expect to see in a closed organization, and is what I have found in every closed org that I've come in contact with, from local-national political parties, to our governments, to the companies that we work for and own. I believe in the powers of openness and democracy, and our own democracy was created with the idea that humans cannot be trusted with power.

Thomas Jefferson:

. . . experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms [of government], those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny . . .

&

. . . it would be a dangerous delusion were a confidence in the men of our choice to silence our fears for the safety of our rights: that confidence is everywhere the parent of despotism: free government is founded in jealousy and not in confidence; it is jealousy and not confidence which prescribes limited Constitutions to bind down those whom we are obliged to trust with power: that our Constitution has accordingly fixed the limits to which and no further our confidence may go; . . . In questions of power then let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution."

Anyway, this is veering far off of the subject, but thank you for taking the time to engage with me on this, and with helping to understand why my actions were so unnecessarily hostile and non-productive.

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

DCI's COI

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Sheldon, as I mentioned below, please note that the DA/DCI COI policy clearly states that 'periodic reviews' should be completed and that they should look at the same exact things I've asked be looked at (eg. that no laws have been broken, that no member of the board has done anything to jeopardize DCI's (c)3 statust, etc).

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

^Wow.

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^Wow.


"We are all worms. But I believe that I am a glow-worm." - Winston Churchill
work: http://www.chapterthree.com
blog: http://www.nicklewis.org

I think this is a healthful

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I think this is a healthful conversation for the community to have, even if it could have been started on more civil terms. I'm glad to see us starting to converge towards more civil discourse on the issue of transparency within the DA. It's unfortunate that in light of some of the accusations that have been made, due legal reasons we're unlikely to get responses from members of the DA Board/GA anytime soon.

I still have a few questions on the situation I'd like to ask though. What exactly is the distinction between Drupal vzw and Drupalcon Inc.?

In Gerhards comment (http://groups.drupal.org/node/162604#comment-544894) above he states "If this was an attempt to get me to claim that yes, Drupal vzw controls DrupalCon, Inc, it has failed. DrupalCon, Inc. acts independendly, has its own board, and I as a board member of Drupal vzw don't have more control over it than for example you". In the post Jacob Redding made on the DA blog (http://association.drupal.org/node/1169) a couple days ago he states "A new legal entity was formed to host DrupalCon: DrupalCon Inc. (DCI). In August of 2010 this entity was formally recognized as a U.S 501c3 non-profit. This non-profit is not controlled nor managed by Drupal VZW (i.e. the Drupal Association), which is a Belgium non-profit".

I do not understand business law, nor do I pretend to, but on the surface these statements appear to be something which paperwork might support, but the casual observer would likely not agree with. My understanding of the DA's relationship with Drupalcon is this:

I'm not in the DA, so I could be wrong on some of these points, feel free to correct me if I am wrong. If I am, particularly on who controls the funds from Drupalcons, I'd love an explanation as to what oversight / community controls are in place to govern the decisions of Drupalcon inc, as well as the use of Drupalcon funds, since (I presume) it is the organization that actually gets revenue from the North American Drupalcons.

My goal here isn't to start fires, but I honestly do not understand the distinction that is being made between the two organizations.

The reason for this

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The reason for this distinction is the law governing the 501 status in the US. It (very rougly) apparently states that such an entity can't be controlled by some other entity. That is why Drupal vzw cannot control DrupalCon Inc.

The community controls that are in place are just that the board members of DrupalCon, Inc. are well respected community members.

Currently, all the DrupalCon, Inc. board members are also board members of Drupal vzw but that is not a requirement. Each organization (s)elects its board members according to its own statutes.

The funds that DrupalCon, Inc. gets from hosting successful DrupalCons is used by DrupalCon, Inc. in accordance with whatever is stated on the application for the 501 status. I don't have the application handy. Among other things it pays the salary for people who work on creating DrupalCons.

Hope that helps.

Right now, DCI and Drupal vzw

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Right now, DCI and Drupal vzw are able to act in concert because the board of DCI all happens to be either staff or board of Drupal vzw.

There is nothing in DCI's statutes that require this. In fact, DCI was originally controlled by Development Seed and they gave up control after Drupalcon DC.

If something happens and the people currently on the DCI board are removed from Drupal vzw, if there are sour grapes they could take DCI and walk away with it, and the two entities would become wholly separate. That is to say, there is no paper, whatosever, requiring DCI and vzw to work together. They do so because DCI's controllers currently do what vzw wants, and vzw appointed DCI to run DrupalCons.

I'm not in the DA, so I could be wrong on some of these points, feel free to correct me if I am wrong. If I am, particularly on who controls the funds from Drupalcons, I'd love an explanation as to what oversight / community controls are in place to govern the decisions of Drupalcon inc, as well as the use of Drupalcon funds, since (I presume) it is the organization that actually gets revenue from the North American Drupalcons.

I don't know for sure, but as far as I know, there are either none or few, beyond relying upon the good will of the people on DCI's board. And from what I understand, for legal reasons we may not be able to improve this.

Regulations

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First off, please take my comments with the following lens - I have not worked directly in the non-profit world since 2007.

The IRS is concerned with Federal Level infractions not state (or district). I believe the thresh-hold for a Federally mandated audit YEARLY is utilizing $300K of Federal money. You would normally receive these monies through a grant - often for re-granting purposes (the NEA gives the Regional Arts Agencies money to promote dance, musicians etc to tour as an example - these are regranted to the smaller arts agencies by the Regional) or for operating expenses. Less than 300K, you need to be ready to open the books for the GAO- but you aren't mandated to do an audit. Furthermore, I believe that these thresholds apply only to a single Federal Agency - so if you were to get $100K from the NEA and 200K from the NEH, you would not reach the threshold.

If I understand the DCI correctly, it is incorporated as a DC entity and isn't subject to California rules. It makes statements less credible when one quotes laws from the wrong legal governing body. I'm not aware of any rules in DC that indicate a thresh hold for an audit, but I'll do some digging around and see what I find out.

Bottom line, to me, is this - it seems like there might be some messy processes that could stand to be cleaned up. Personally, I seriously doubt that any wrong-doing has occurred. I completely agree with the assertion that we are seeing growing pains rather than malicious corruption.

I think I agree with Sheldon - there won't be any traction by pursuing the IRS. The California government certainly won't get involved. I don't believe that DC has the $2 million thresh hold stated.

Finally, I completely agree with Nick...

Wow. I'm gobsmacked

California Nonprofit Integrity Act

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Matt-

1) I was incorrect that DCI had $2m in revenue, it had $1.5m, so they are not legally required. Sorry for my confusion.
2) Second, DCI must register with the Attorney General of the State of California, under California's Nonprofit Integrity Act of 2004. This act applies not only to charities that are incorporated in California, but any charity that fundraises, does business, or holds its annual meetings in the state of California. From the CA AG's site:

The law applies to all foreign charitable corporations (corporations formed under the laws of other states) doing business or holding property in California for charitable purposes. Doing business in California includes soliciting donations in California by mail, by advertisements in publications, or by any other means from outside of California that satisfy the constitutional "minimum contacts" test. Other examples of doing business in California include engaging in any of the following activities in California: holding meetings of the board of directors or corporate members here, maintaining an office here, having officers or employees who perform work here, and/or conducting charitable programs here.

3) Contacting the IRS would not trigger any action from the California Attorney General, and I never said it would/should.

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

This one is interesting from

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This one is interesting from a legal perspective.

The paperwork that made Drupalcon, Inc a 501(c)3 was completed after DCSF. It's retroactive, but I'm not sure what this means for DCI and California.

I will say those laws in California are primarily to protect people from being conned into giving money to shady charities, and with DCI there's a pretty solid trail to exactly what's going on. So likely California would go "Yeah ok" and not do or say much.

Not just DCSF

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The DA has continued to use fundraisers in SF (I personally received appeals for DC Copenhagen from someone in SF), has continued to use the address for contracts, and still has employees in the state, so I can't see how they wouldn't fall under the law. Other than the audit rule, which would not kick in until they reached $2m in revenue, the part of the law that seems like it might be trouble is the part about representing who the recipients are of a charity, since we are now being told that our donations/sponsorships/tickets were not going to fund the DA, but a 'related but separate' entity. No matter what, I think you're correct that the CA AG would not get involved, but that does not mean that we should not be following the law of the land where we do our business.

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

Oh right! Neil Drumm is DA

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Oh right! Neil Drumm is DA staff and lives in California. I hadn't thought about that but that's pretty clear, that has to be done.

He is a contractor and not an

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He is a contractor and not an employee. I'm not sure if that makes a difference.

Similar to how CA vehicle

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Edited to remove redundant comment. See Alex's comment ^^

Quick point of note

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The proper person to put pressure on in terms of Drupal Association transparency is Jacob Redding. And I'm not saying to give him any blame, but as the Executive Director of the DA, he is ultimately the man responsible for seeing that transparency happens.

We have an admitted failure here. If transparency fails in the future, he is the person to lean on.

My original complaint

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I figured I should post my original big complaint to the DA. I was obviously wrong in some places, and corrected them consequently, so I'll strike those items out but leave them in so it doesn't look like I'm editing it now. Note, the numbers I had wrt revenues and costs at DCC were just guesses at the time, the real numbers are now known and tell largely the same story. One note: self dealing is not against the law in most states, under certain circumstances. I started sending this to the Drupal Association in February of this year (after initially raising the concerns in November of 2010), and while I didn't publicly post it, I did mention that I had created this doc, and I sent it to anyone who asked me for it. Much of this has been posted on the site I launched.

DrupalCon wil be held in Chicago in a bit over a week, and there will be much celebration of Drupal 7 and of all the amazing work and growth that Drupal has experienced. But, while there are plenty of reasons to be excited about what's going on within the Drupal community, there are also a few glaring issues that cause me great concern. First of all, the pricing on admissions, as well as sponsorshops, sky rocketed at this conference. Attendees to the conference will have to shell out almost 100% more than last year's ticket prices to attend this DrupalCon, while sponsors (including Zivtech) will have to fork over 150% of last year's sponsor prices (there's also a brand new "diamond" sponsor level). To be fair, some of this had to do with the cost of providing food to the attendees, but SF proved that we didn't need to buy lunch to have a successful Con, but given the time of year and location of the Con, having attendees take care of their own lunches simply isn't feasible. But therein lies the rub: we're not only paying 50% more, but we're doing so to hold the Con in Chicago... in March. To put things in dollar terms, we're talking over $400k in extra revenue from ticket sales, and close to $400k in Sponsor Costs. Does the Drupal Association stand to come away with $1.05m (since revenue will be higher by $800k, and last year's Con brought in $250k)? I have been told by a member of the Board that the reason for the steep jump in price is because it's more expensive to hold a conference in Chicago than almost any other city in the nation, so at most the Drupal Association stands to come away with $500k, meaning something like $500k will be "wasted", captured by the facilities and service providers in Chicago.

Given this incredibly steep shift in the economics of the conference (as well as the date/location), it shouldn't surprise anyone that the growth in attendance at the conference has stopped, and currently we'll be lucky to have the same amount of attendees as last year's Con (at 150%, or more, of the cost). As many people know, Boston had 800 attendees, DC 1400, & San Fran 3000. Given the continued (high profile) climb of Drupal, we should have expected at least 4000 people. The Chicago Sponsor's prospectus still claims that the Con expects 4000 people, but the organizers certainly knew weeks ago that there was no more than 3200 expected (since this is the # of conference bags being put together), and as far as I know there will likely be more like 3000-3200 people, and possibly fewer (currently the DrupalCon attendees page shows just over 2300 attendees). Keep in mind, up to 500 of these people represent sponsor tickets, meaning the Con will most like sell 2500-2700 tickets (if things pick up, currently only 2350 people, or so, are listed as attendees on the DrupalCon Chicago site) I also feel it's important to note that this huge jump in costs has a moral element to it, given that we're in the midst of the Great Recession where tons of people are out of work in other areas, and where tons of people are needed to staff Drupal jobs around the world.

So, the question is: how did we get here? How did we come to collectively spend $800k more than last year while "capping" the growth of the US Cons?

Here are the facts around the selection of the current DrupalCon as I understand them.
1) At the time of the vote for Chicago, the decisions about DrupalCon were made by nine people-- the Drupal Association Board, with input from the General Assembly (though the GA doesn't have any direct voting rights). For the upcoming DrupalCon the Board also received input from a "select" group of non-DA members of the community.
2) The decisions about DrupalCon, including the proceedings, meeting minutes, proposals (those not released by the potential hosts), and vote counts, are private and are not publicly available to anyone outside of the Drupal Association as well as a few "chosen" outsiders.
3) The previous hosts of the Conference are consulted little, if ever, about the Con, and have close to zero say in any future Cons.
4) After DrupalCon DC there were two strong applicants to host the next conference, one coming from San Francisco and another from Chicago (maybe others as well).
5) The San Francisco crowd made a very aggressive, and ultimately successful, push by launching a website and executing a strong social media / PR campaign. This upset the Chicago folks greatly and caused a lot of internal conflict within the DA.
6) The SF proposal came with prices attached and reservations made, while the Chicago proposal did not. I don't know when the costs of the current cost became known or what occurred after the large jump in costs became apparent, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't discovered until after the previous Con had ended and the current one announced, meaning it would have been very embarrassing and/or difficult to change at that point.
7) Out of the 9 members of the Association, 2 are from California (1 from SF), and 2 (from the same company) are from Chicago.
8) When the DA met to decide where to hold the 2010 Con, it was obvious that SF had the more well developed proposal and momentum, but in order to mollify the Chicago crowd the vote on where to hold the Con in 2010 was not a "normal" vote. Instead, the board decided to accept the SF application *and* accept the Chicago presentation for 2011.
9) This year is the first where most of the costs surrounding the conference will be born by the DA, instead of by the host company.
10) The current host firm, the one with two members on the Drupal Association Board who voted to change the rules to force a vote for Chicago, not only didn't have to build the website, organize sponsors, or deal with logistics (mostly costs incurred by Chapter Three, Development Seed, and Acquia in the previous three Cons), but they also received at least $45k in no-bid design and project management work for the conference. While previous host companies had also been reimbursed for some of their work, the previous high payment was less than half of the current payment, at a time when the work was greatly reduced and the ticket prices doubled.
11) This $45k payment came in the form of a sponsorship--one of three top sponsor spots at the Con (Diamond sponsors), which were proposed by the conference hosts, and were created just for this conference.

We are all investors in the Drupal Association, and most of that investment comes via the sale of tickets and sponsorships of U.S. DrupalCons. But, while we're all asked to give money and time, we do not have any real say in DrupalCon, and the result is that we have stopped growing (for at least a year) and wil collectively be a lot poorer (and colder) as a result of holding the Con in Chicago instead of in a more cost effective (and possibly warmer) city.

There were several bigi problems is the current DrupalCon selection processes, that ultimately led to this situation. Here are a few that stick out:
Overly Secretive - The DrupalCon selection process is kept completely out of the eyes of the Drupal community, outside of select insiders (the Drupal Association General Assembly and a few community members selected by the Board).
Self Serving and Self Dealing Behaviors - I don't think that anyone involved in the process meant for this to be a unethical process, but the appearance of ethical problems are impossible to ignore. The fact is, it took just a couple of people to completely change the rules at the point a vote was taking place and were able to force a vote on a second Conference. There is simply no way that I believe this could have or would have happened if two of the members of the committee were not from Chicago. But, the bigger problem I believe is the Self Dealing that occurred, with the same members voting for, profiting from, and controlling the programing for, the conference. There also appears to have been some efforts to stifle other businesses (not represented on the Board) that had popular session proposals, which creates the appearance of putting one business' interests over another.

Awarding No-Bid Work to Board/Association Members- There's also the very unseemly fact that not only were the two members from the Chicago able to change the rules to bring the Con to the Windy City, but both of these people also own or work for the same firm, and this firm was awarded $45k in no-bid work for design and project management (the past two firms were paid for some parts of their work, but nowhere near what the current host was paid, even though the current hosts are responsible for considerably less work). Not only were no other "Drupal" firms offered the opportunity to bid on the work, but not other Chicago firms were able to bid either. The fact that the payment came in the form of a sponsorship is incidental- a barter is still a payment (see:http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=187904,00.html). The intentions may have been pure with regard to this payment, but the appearance is far from it. Given the sharp increase in costs this year, as well as the large jump in payments (more than 200% of last year's payments) to the host company, it looks really, really bad.

No Accountability - The biggest problem as I see it is that there is no accountability at all in the Drupal Association in general, and the Board in particular. This seems most likely due to the fact that the DA only answers to itself- there is no way for non-General Assembly members to remove someone from the Board and, more importantly, not way for the broader community to remove (or place) people on either. Given the opaque dealings of the DA, there is no way to "keep tabs" on the inner dealings, which makes the only forms of accountability available to the community (humiliation and/or "stakeholder" revolt) much harder to achieve.

So what can or should be done about this?

Open Everything - There is no reason that an Open Community should have so many of it's key decisions made in private- Closed has no place in our Open Community. If you don't want to stand by and defend your opinion/position, don't share it, and if you can't stand by a vote, don't make it. Hiding these functions from the community leads to all sorts of problems, the biggest of which is loss of faith in the DA and potential fracturing of sections of the community.

Adopt a 'Code of Ethics' - Many of the behaviors that led us to Chicago seem unethical, within the context of Non-profit Board. The Board should adopt a Code of Ethics that specifies how Members are expected to behave in debates and votes that have a direct impact (esp. a financial one) on their selves or their firms. The "Conflict of Interest" statement submitted to the IRS isn't posted the the Drupal Association DrupalCon page, and conflicts of interest are a very real threat to our community, and have already cost us dearly.

No No-Bid Contracts, No Self Dealing - This is really an extension of a "Code of Ethics" and is the most glaringly obvious current example of seemingly unethical behavior within the Board. There are few, if any, non-profits that allow for No-Bid contracts over a certain dollar amount, nor do many allow for Self Dealing (when a Board Member directs paying work to their business), and awarding such a contract to a voting member of a Non-Profit board could, in many US states at least, lead to legal actions against the firm, and possibly a loss of non-profit status. But, regardless of the ethical and (potentially) legal issues, another big problem is that the Drupal community is made up, largely, of competing consultants and firms. By awarding work to insiders it reinforces a view that the DA is looking out for the interests of the most connected insiders, rather than the broader business and developer communities.

Create Mechanisms for Accountability - A "Code of Ethics" is largely symbolic, unless there are accompanying mechanisms to remove Board or Association members that violate these ethics. But, in general this is part of a much bigger issue, which is that the DA admits members for life, and these members are admitted via a vote by the current DA General Assembly. The DA is supposed to speak for, and protect the interests of, the Drupal Community, yet the Community has no real say in who gets on the DA, what they do (or don't do). The result is that DA members have nothing to fear from the broader community (save for public embarrassment and ridicule). Openness is the one avenue for accountability, since it's obviously embarrassing (and rightfully so) to get caught with "your hand in the cookie jar," but it is (in my opinion) insufficient to ensure the impartiality of the Drupal Association.

Create "At Large" Board Members - This is one step I'd like to see happen to ensure accountability. The Board should figure out a method to allow for the placement of several "At Large" Board Members. These members would not be selected by the DA Board, but would rather be admitted based off of community voting. These members could ensure that more of the community had a potential avenue to receive a vote on the Board, without having to win approval of the board itself.

I sent this to George DeMet, after he screamed at me, repeatedly called me a "liar", and got "all up in my grill" in the hallways of DrupalCon Chicago- going so far as to push his phone to my face to record me saying exactly what I wrote above. When I asked for clarification on how I was a "liar" I was only told that my misunderstanding stemmed from the fact that no Palantir staff were on the board of DCI.

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

Long one! Also much more

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Long one! Also much more addressable. I really appreciate that; it's much easier to take something like this seriously.

1) is correct.

2) is a point of content within the DA itself. We've had internal arguments over publishing meeting minutes. This needs to be fixed. Hopefully it can be in the re-org.

4-7) I skimmed a little but these seem accurate.

8) I disagree with the 'mollify', or at least the usage of it here. I realize that term has been thrown around and I think part of the problem is that Jacob himself used it. And far be it from me to disagree with Jacob, but to be honest Jacob and I have rarely actually agreed on anything.

If there was any mollifying of the Chicago crowd going on, it wasn't to do with SF, it was to do with the fact that the DA was at that moment in time being incompetent. There was a lot of heel dragging going on, and we missed -- and my memory is a little fuzzy here -- at least one deadline we promised to meet in deciding for DC 2010 and I think actually it was more than one. But I can't be certain. Someone closer to that situation could probably comment on the deadlines we missed.

As I stated earlier, Chicago was chosen for 2011 out of expediency. The DA had nothinged itself into a conundrum. Also, please note: The main reason we hired Jacob as executive director was because we were trying to get the DA to stop doing nothing. I don't remember precisely when Jacob was hired; I now initially he was a managing director or something for a short term contract, and then the board selected him as the permanent Executive Director sometime later. I'm pretty sure that the hiring happened sometime between DCDC and DCSF. I know he was in the position by DCSF.

We are all investors in the Drupal Association, and most of that investment comes via the sale of tickets and sponsorships of U.S. DrupalCons. But, while we're all asked to give money and time, we do not have any real say in DrupalCon, and the result is that we have stopped growing (for at least a year) and wil collectively be a lot poorer (and colder) as a result of holding the Con in Chicago instead of in a more cost effective (and possibly warmer) city.

I don't think Chicago caused us to stop growing. I think the exponential growth we had been seeing prior to SF was unsustainable, and I think SF itself was an aberration in attendance because of the massive concentration of tech people in silicon valley. I do think Drupal's growth is slowing and Drupalcon is a sign that we are nearing a peak.

No No-Bid Contracts, No Self Dealing

I don't, personally, have a real problem with no-bid contracts when the contract is going to the company hosting a Drupalcon, so long as the contract is reasonable.

But, in general this is part of a much bigger issue, which is that the DA admits members for life,

The current re-org is addressing that. You should be sure to reread the proposed new organization. I think you'll find it interesting.

Create "At Large" Board Members - This is one step I'd like to see happen to ensure accountability. The Board should figure out a method to allow for the placement of several "At Large" Board Members. These members would not be selected by the DA Board, but would rather be admitted based off of community voting. These members could ensure that more of the community had a potential avenue to receive a vote on the Board, without having to win approval of the board itself.

This is in the new re-org. I'm not actually sure that it's going to be easy to implement, technically speaking. The DA is probably going to have to spend a fair bit of money making this happen, but we'll see.

One overall problem is that it's really difficult to define the community, especially when it comes time to vote.

  • Is someone who pays money to join the DA a voting member of the community?
  • Is someone who creates an account on drupal.org a voting member of the community?
  • Is someone who heard the word Drupal on the internets and took an interest but has no actual use of the software a voting member of the community?

Think about that for awhile. Right now, the community is mostly defined by being the one who has enough time to get involved in very long threads of text on the internet, and sadly we're the ones who make a lot of decisions. Alternatively, the community is defined by the crazy people who actually are willing to invest years of their life maintaining free software in a difficult environment. But that is not actually representative of the community, it's just representative of the people with the time/motivation to spend it that way.

I do still have serious concerns about the reorg, but I want to give it a chance. When it is complete, the face of the Drupal Association is likely to change quite a bit. I think the best way to achieve your goals, Alex, is to analyze the reorganization proposal, see where it matches what you think needs to happen, and see where it fails as well.

I should have just released

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I should have just released this, instead of keeping it semi-private for so long. There's no excuse for my tirade, but I think I would have saved myself a lot of time, anger and resentment, and saved others like yourself a lot of stress, if I had just lived by the code I believe in (trust in open over everything).

Anyway, there's a lot to digest here, but I wanted to quickly address a couple of your points.

I don't think Chicago caused us to stop growing. I think the exponential growth we had been seeing prior to SF was unsustainable, and I think SF itself was an aberration in attendance because of the massive concentration of tech people in silicon valley. I do think Drupal's growth is slowing and Drupalcon is a sign that we are nearing a peak.

That could be- there should be some limit on the growth of the con, and the tie between Drupal's growth and the attendance at the Con was bound to separate at some point. But, I think we'll get a better sense of whether it was the pricing/location vs an actual slowdown, next year in Denver, as I'm guessing the pricing will be different (I think it goes without saying that winter in Denver--near skiing--is generally more attractive than Chicago in March). Either way, there's no way we can know what caused the dip in attendance, but basic supply-and-demand curves would seem to apply.

I don't, personally, have a real problem with no-bid contracts when the contract is going to the company hosting a Drupalcon, so long as the contract is reasonable.

In theory, I think I'd be fine with it too. In practice, I think it's extremely problematic, and in this case it appears improper. I know that the vote was separated by several years, but because of that vote I believe the work around DC Chicago should have been bid out, rather than risk the appearance of self dealing and/or corruption.

One overall problem is that it's really difficult to define the community, especially when it comes time to vote.

Most definitely agree with this one, and it's not just wrt DrupalCons. For example, drupal.org policies are made at times that don't jive with the community's wishes, and thus debates arise to create consensus on the issue. However, it's currently impossible to determine who actually gets to vote, let alone what kind of votes and procedures would be necessary to conclude some policy had reached a consensus. I don't claim to know how to handle the question of membership, but I do feel it's something that has to be figured out.

I do still have serious concerns about the reorg, but I want to give it a chance. When it is complete, the face of the Drupal Association is likely to change quite a bit. I think the best way to achieve your goals, Alex, is to analyze the reorganization proposal, see where it matches what you think needs to happen, and see where it fails as well.

I just want to say thanks, Earl, for engaging with me and helping me find the best way to push this forward. I definitely will do as you suggested.

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

A couple other things worth noting

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While I am currently a member of the GA, what I write here reflects my own, personal opinions, and NOT the opinions of the DA.

First, no one within the DA would argue that we have gotten transparency right, and there has been a concerted push to increase transparency going back years. However, the DA has been understaffed/overworked for YEARS. Earl does a good job tracking out much of this in his comments above. For better or for worse, in the interest of trying to get things done, the communication about what was actually getting done, and why, was no where near what it should have been.

However, this poor communication is not a sign of malfeasance; it's just a sign of poor communication. It's definitely a failure, though, and one that DCI and its staff should be taking seriously, and taking the steps to correct.

Also, over at the Audit the board site, you list out the members of the conflict of interest committee, and you have the committee membership wrong. I'm a part of that committee, and Larry is not. I would have commented there, but you have comments turned off.

The irony here is that most (possibly all?) the people within the DA want more transparency, and from my limited perspective the DCI staff have been moving to increase transparency for a while; aka, this is the direction they are moving in, and would have eventually arrived at. To my taste, the movement in that direction could have been faster, but slow progress toward a goal is a far cry from illegal actions.

Moreover, singling out three individuals and accusing them of breaking the law and abusing the trust of the community is a serious thing. Given that you have apologized for that on several occasions in this thread, I'm not going to belabor the point, but these accusations cast a legal shadow over this conversation that raise the stakes considerably.

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I corrected the site. I was told about the composition of the board from Jacob- I'll forward you the e-mail so you know I wasn't trying to make things look worse than they appear to be.

I am not accusing the Chicago folks of breaking the law, I am accusing them of a Conflict-of-Interest, and asking that an independent body ensure that no laws were broken. I don't know if the DCI COI applies to the Chicago vote (I believe it's retroactive to 2008), but if it is, then this is straight from the wording of that document:

Article VII
Periodic Reviews
To ensure the Corporation operates in a manner consistent with charitable purposes and does not
engage in activities that could jeopardize its tax-exempt status, periodic reviews shall be
conducted. The periodic reviews shall, at a minimum, include the following subjects:
1. Whether compensation arrangements and benefits are reasonable, based on competent survey information, and the result of arm’s length bargaining.
2. Whether partnerships, joint ventures, and arrangements with management corporations conform to the Corporation’s written policies, are properly recorded, reflect reasonable investment or payments for goods and services, further charitable purposes and do not result in inurement, impermissible private benefit or in an excess benefit transaction.

I did not know about this COI, since it was not public at the time, and I have no standing to force a Periodic Review, but what I am asking for is stated in the DCI COI, so I don't get how my accusations of COI, and the request to investigate exactly what the COI policy says should be evaluated, is improper.

With that said, I absolutely was improper in the way I got attention to this issue, and the original wording of the complaint. Thanks for not belaboring it, but still, I'm not proud of letting my anger/frustration get the best of me, and I'm sorry that it's forced this conversation so far off track.

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

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As noted above, allegations have recently been made suggesting that members of the Drupal Association board improperly used their positions to enrich themselves, their employers and their clients. These allegations center around Palantir’s involvement with DrupalCon Chicago.

Jacob Redding has already covered most of these questions in his post, but given the nature of these allegations, I wanted to also take this opportunity to publicly set the record straight.

Palantir believes strongly in the principles of openness and freedom, which is why we want to make sure everyone is aware of these facts, even though doing so may bring additional attention to the accusations that are being made. While we are disappointed with the manner in which these questions have been raised, we have no secrets to hide, and we are more than happy to provide any information regarding Palantir’s involvement in DrupalCon Chicago.

To be clear: there was no conflict of interest or self-dealing involved with the selection of DrupalCon Chicago or with Palantir’s sponsorship of the event. Palantir did not receive a single dime in cash from either Drupal VZW or DrupalCon, Inc., for its time on DrupalCon Chicago.

Furthermore, as Palantir had two employees who were voting members of the Drupal VZW board, we took extra steps to avoid even the appearance of impropriety:

  • No one at Palantir had any signing authority for any contracts relating to DrupalCon Chicago.
  • All financial decisions relating to DrupalCon Chicago were reviewed and approved by at two (sometimes three) non-Palantir people with contract signing authority for DrupalCon.
  • In the final months leading up to the event, DrupalCon staff members were primarily responsible for vendor selection decisions.
  • Any relationships that Palantir had with vendors under consideration (such as the venue for the opening night after-party) were fully disclosed to those evaluating them on behalf of DrupalCon.

The facts show that no decisions or contracts with respect to DrupalCon Chicago were executed with impropriety.

All of the information provided in this post has been previously provided to the board of DrupalCon, Inc., as well as the entire general assembly of Drupal VZW, independent non-profit organization consultants, legal counsel and other parties upon request.

It is important to correct some inaccurate claims about DrupalCon Inc (DCI) itself before going into more specifics about DrupalCon Chicago:

DCI Conflict of Interest Policy

DCI does have a conflict of interest policy, which was adopted on October 16, 2009, and is publicly posted at http://association.drupal.org/about/drupalcon. This is a standard policy recommended for use by the IRS for 501c3 organizations in the United States; a revised policy is currently being reviewed by the board which is based on the model provided by the National Council of Nonprofits. As both policies state, “A financial interest is not necessarily a conflict of interest.”

Definition of Private Inurement

Boardsource defines private inurement as something that happens when an individual who has significant influence over the organization enters into an arrangement with the nonprofit and receives benefits greater than she or he provides in return. The most common example is excessive compensation. [http://www.boardsource.org/Knowledge.asp?ID=3.165] As you will see from the information provided below, Palantir was not excessively compensated for its work on DrupalCon Chicago, and did not receive benefits greater than those we provided to the conference.

Conflict of Interest Committee

While the DA did not have a conflict of interest committee at the time of the board vote that approved DrupalCon Chicago, it does now. The DA Conflict of Interest committee consists of: Laura Scott, Bill Fitzgerald, Nedjo Rogers, David Strauss, Kristof Van Tomme, and me (George DeMet). I am the only member of that committee associated with Palantir.

Should any questions involving me, Palantir, or anyone at Palantir come before that committee, I plan on providing all requested information and answering all questions, but removing myself from any subsequent deliberations, in accordance with standard practice.

Allegations of a conflict of interest does not disqualify someone from continued service either to the organization or any committee on which s/he serves, unless the conflict of interest is proven to exist and have been used in the execution of impropriety and the evaluating committee deems removal or resignation an appropriate remedy.

DCI Accounting

All accounting for DrupalCon Chicago, as with DrupalCon SF, was done by the DCI staff accountant/bookkeeper, who has done the accounting and bookkeeping for DrupalCon, Inc. since November 15, 2009. He is the original source of the financial information in this post as well as Jacob’s a.d.o post.

No DCI or VZW Board or General Assembly member has in any way discussed or otherwise influenced how the accountant categorized expenses for DrupalCon Chicago. The books for DrupalCon Chicago were closed prior to Tiffany Farriss’s election to the DCI board or election as VZW Treasurer. She has not made or modified any journal entries for DCI or VZW, nor requested that anyone else do so.

There is no basis in fact for the spurious assertion that the books were “cleaned-up” or are in any other way untrustworthy.

Motion to approve DrupalCon Chicago, SF

On 8/25/09, the board of Drupal VZW met and held one vote on the following motion proposed by Cary Gordon: (source Drupal VZW Board meeting minutes)

  • DrupalCon NA 2010 to be held at Moscone Center in San Francisco from April 17-22, 2010 with the core event (sessions and keynotes) to be held April 19-21, 2010
  • DrupalCon NA 2011 to be held in Chicago at a venue to be determined
  • Retain GroundSwell Marketing for event production support and management for both events.
  • Authorize Treasurer Jacob Redding to immediately to create a U.S. passthrough entity (LLC or TBD) to receive and disburse funds for these events.
  • Authorize Events manager Cary Gordon to execute contracts with the venue and GroundSwell on behalf of the Drupal Association.
  • The event manager will report monthly to the GA on the status of DrupalCons (added during the course of the board meeting)

It was a 8-0 vote (Dries Buytaert, Angela Byron, Tiffany Farriss, Larry Garfield, Cary Gordon, Gerhard Killesreiter, Kieran Lal, and Jacob Redding all voting in favor). Neither Larry Garfield or Tiffany Farriss recused themselves as being from Chicago and on the organizing team, nor did Kieran Lal recuse himself for living in San Francisco and being part of the organizing team making the proposal for DCSF.

I was not a member of the General Assembly (GA) at this time, nor was I in attendance in IRC at the above meeting. I was voted into the GA on March 2, 2010.

At the time of the vote, there was no expectation of, nor had there been any discussions of, the eventual Palantir trade-in kind or compensation of any kind for Palantir as part of the organizing team for DrupalCon Chicago. Likewise, there was no discussion or expectation of compensation of any nature for the any individuals or companies involved with the organizing team of DrupalCon San Francisco (DCSF).

The Palantir Organizer’s Agreement

Palantir had a written agreement with DrupalCon, Inc., to provide conference organizing services for DrupalCon Chicago in exchange for a Diamond-level sponsorship for DrupalCon Chicago. Palantir’s responsibilities under the agreement were to provide organizational support and Web services for DrupalCon, including supplying an event chairperson; coordinating local activities for attendees; organizing and producing supplemental activities; working to impart a local/regional flavor to DrupalCon; and supplying the branding, design and theming services for the DrupalCon Chicago website. Palantir also had to provide reasonable time for customer service issues before, during, and shortly after the conference for events that Palantir was directly responsible for (e.g. website, design, registration, etc.). The agreement was reviewed both by Palantir’s legal counsel and by DrupalCon’s legal counsel.

As part of its agreement, Palantir submitted time sheets to DrupalCon, Inc., for company time spent on DrupalCon Chicago. The total amount of time reported was over 2,300 hours, which does not include after-hours volunteer and personal time, time spent during the week of the event itself, or mobile app development, which was not part of the scope of work of our contract. Mobile development used a combination of additional 379 donated Palantir hours and considerable personal time volunteered by the team that worked on it.

While the book value of the sponsorship was $45,000, its actual cost to DrupalCon was less than half that amount. As sponsorships are intended to subsidize the cost of the event itself, the cost to service any sponsorship is necessarily less than its cash value. Because Palantir chose not to use all of the benefits that came with that sponsorship, its cost was reduced even further.

The terms of the contract allowed DCI to cancel the arrangement at any time. If Palantir had completed a minimum of 500 hours at the time of termination, then the Diamond Sponsorship would still be provided. The contract did not attempt to estimate or quantify the time that would be required in any way. The mutual expectation was always that Palantir would do whatever needed to be done to fulfill the responsibilities noted above. The 500 hour termination minimum was suggested by DCI as it was equivalent to the rate that had been paid for such services in the past.

The “effective rate” for Palantir’s work on DrupalCon was not only a fraction of our standard hourly rates, but it was also well below the rate charged by others for similar services at past DrupalCons and well below Palantir‘s overhead costs. Our work on DrupalCon Chicago had a significant negative impact on Palantir’s cash flow during February, March and April of 2011. Palantir did not work on DrupalCon Chicago to make money; Palantir worked on DrupalCon Chicago as our way of giving back to and investing in our Drupal community.

The discussions about an Organizer’s Agreement for Palantir began in March 2010, in response to companies from the organizing team for DCSF being paid in cash for some services which Palantir would be providing for DrupalCon Chicago. Due to Palantir's heavy involvement in the Association, in particular on the VZW board, Palantir was uncomfortable with any kind of cash transaction and suggested a trade-in-kind for a sponsorship instead. The Organizers Agreement, which finalized and authorized that deal, was executed October 13, 2010 between Palantir.net, Inc. and DrupalCon, Inc. and was effective January 1, 2010 for a term of 435 days (through DrupalCon Chicago itself).

As a trade in-kind, the transaction was appropriately recorded both as income ($45,000 for the sponsorship) and as expenses (split evenly among the three categories of work contracted: $15,000 for project management, Web development and graphic design). The determination of the split was exclusively decided by the DCI Accountant and was not based on the percentage of time spent by Palantir. All entries related to this transaction for DCI are recorded in 2011 and will be properly reported as part of the 2011 Annual Report.

DrupalCon Chicago Website Work

Growing Venture Solutions (GVS) was hired by DCI to build an extensible conference platform that DrupalCon could reuse from conference to conference. The project was not part of the DrupalCon Chicago budget as it was initiated specifically to create reusable software conference over conference and represents a capital investment for the organization. The work that GVS did that was specifically related to DrupalCon Chicago was included in the expenses as reported.

As DrupalCon Chicago would be the first DrupalCon to leverage that work, both Palantir and GVS were responsible for doing work on the DrupalCon Chicago website. Palantir provided design, theming, content, and IA. GVS was responsible for building the backend COD platform that powers the site's functionality, as well as the integration work with the conference management software RegOnline and the site’s drupal.org authentication integration (bakery).

The designer credited during the closing plenary was Palantir employee Michael Mesker (http://palantir.net/about/team/mesker), not an independent contractor. Michael was responsible for the website design, the conference program and the overall brand identity system for the conference as part of the work Palantir agreed to do for DrupalCon. Groundswell was contracted to do design production work for signage, and a non-Palantir volunteer was responsible for the badge design.

On a related note, the project manager also cited in that closing session, April Peck, is also a Palantir employee (http://palantir.net/about/team/peck).

DrupalCon Chicago After Party at The Field Museum Party

The Field Museum was not the only venue considered to host the after party, but was the least expensive both in terms of facility rental and overall cost for the beverage service for a facility that could accommodate DrupalCon Chicago’s attendance. The rates DCI received were all the museum's standard rates for non-profits.

The Field Museum was suggested due to its capacity and the direct beverage service offered which created a cost advantage over other venues. It also held the advantage that in addition to the party space itself, our guests would have access to the museum's permanent exhibits.

  • The contract was negotiated by the event and logistics coordinator from Groundswell Marketing.
  • The contract was reviewed by Jacob Redding (DCI Executive Director), the event coordinator from Groundswell Marketing, and Cary Gordon (DCI Events Manager since 10/28/09 and then the DCI Events Manager).
  • The contract was signed by Cary Gordon in his capacity as DCI Event Director.
  • The nature of Palantir's relationship with The Field Museum was disclosed to and known by those evaluating this event on behalf of DCI (Groundswell, Jacob, Cary, and later the DCI staff including the Events Manager and Sponsor Wrangler). Palantir was working as a subcontractor on a project for the Field Museum. Palantir had worked directly for the museum prior to that date and has worked directly for the museum subsequently.

The original contract with The Field Museum was for an estimated $48,446.44 for facility rental, beverage and setup. The final costs paid to the Field Museum were higher ($64,736.25) due to extending the party from 3 hours to 3.5 hours and more guests than guaranteed (estimates were based on 1600, final attendance was 2100, which mostly impacted beverages but also the setup costs). Of the Field Museum’s $64,736.25 payment, $52,495.50 (81%) of that payment was the cost of beer and wine provided to party attendees.

It is also of note that the majority of the costs for the event were from the food and service vendor with the balance of expenses from the A/V supplier, band, and transportation company.

Tickets made up just 52% of the overall revenue ($1,876,297) for DrupalCon Chicago. It is inaccurate and misleading to make claims that correlate the cost of the party (or Palantir’s sponsorship) to ticket sales alone. Expenses need to be considered in the context of the entire revenue (not just ticket sales). Financially, the After Party at The Field Museum would not have been possible or even offered without the sponsors, especially those who explicitly subsidized the costs of the party (Commerce Guys, Microsoft, NYSE and New Relic -- see http://chicago2011.drupal.org/field-museum-party).

Palantir Sessions at DrupalCon Chicago

In terms of session selection, I personally went to great lengths to ensure that Palantir did not have disproportionate representation in the conference program. A criticism heard from past DrupalCons is that the organizers tended to favor their own firms in session selection, and we wanted to avoid any appearance of that this time around.

While several of the track chairs were Palantir employees and ex-employees, each track also had several additional committee members who were not affiliated with Palantir. The number of non-Palantir community members who participated in the session selection process exceeded the number who had Palantir affiliations.

The final session selection list was reviewed by me and the programming chairs specifically to ensure that we had a diversity of speakers representing the entirety of the Drupal community and business ecosystem.

Palantir has traditionally participated in many sessions at past DrupalCons:

Palantir presented fewer sessions at Chicago than at DCSF, DCDC, or DC Szeged. Several of these sessions at DrupalCon Chicago were panel presentations with people from other firms. Several sessions proposed by Palantir team members were not selected for the conference. Other firms participated in more sessions than Palantir did.

While making an apples-to-apples comparison of the percentage of total sessions that Palantir participated in from conference-to-conference is difficult, as past DrupalCons have had different ways of classifying sessions, a rough estimate is that Palantir participated in about 7.8% of all sessions at Chicago, on par with DrupalCons DC (7.6%) and Paris (7.2%) and less than either San Francisco (8.3%) or Szeged (14%).

In conclusion

While it is perfectly acceptable to raise questions and seek greater transparency for DrupalCon, Inc. and Drupal VZW, it is another matter entirely to use rumor and innuendo based on incomplete and inaccurate information to besmirch the reputation of individuals and companies involved.

We believe that the quality of DrupalCon and the strength of the Drupal Association are both key to the success of the Drupal project, which is why Palantir choose to be so involved, and why we are so grateful to the efforts of all of the volunteers, vendors, and staff who pour their souls into making every DrupalCon a wonderful and unique event. Palantir remains very proud of DrupalCon Chicago and our participation in it.

Right, Now It's Time to STFU and Do What Alex Suggests

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Have read through everything on this page and believe it is now time follow Alex's advice. It is exceptionally good advice and he should be thanked for taking the time to share it.

I run Trellon and am one of the largest investors in the Drupal community in terms of dollars spent on sponsorships and time invested on open source development. Those of you who know me know that my involvement has come at great personal expense and is inordinately high compared to other companies whose revenues are much larger than Trellon's. This can be measured both in terms of percentage of revenue and actual dollar amounts, everyone has different threshholds for the level of investment they are prepared to make in the communities they care about and mine happens to be high.

Whenever I sponsor Drupalcon or another Drupal-related event (and I support a large number of them in the United States, Europe and Australia), it is with this idea in the back of my mind that that money is going to help some needy, brilliant soul who is going to do something innovative with the platform that will ultimately benefit large groups of people. It's still hard for me to get my mind around the idea that Drupalcon is being run as a multimillion dollar business with profit motives instead of an altruistic collective supported by the people who profit the most from the time and efforts of the community. I only want to see developers get together and am willing to spend money to see that happen, because I remember what it was like before they would spend time talking face to face.

When I think about questions of what is fair and unfair, growing the Drupal community is what sits at the back of my mind, and I get extremely frustrated when I encounter people who approach their involvement any other way. In my mind, purely self-interested motives have no place in a community that is centered around the efforts of developers who are chiefly uncompensated for their work, and anyone bringing an agenda that goes beyond that is getting way ahead of themselves. If everyone came at this solely with the idea of profit in mind, the Drupal project would fail quickly on an economic basis.

But Drupalcon is a large business that generates a large amount of profit each time it is put on. I don't read annual reports of the association, since they depress me, but someone claimed Chicago cleared a profit of over $500k. Even if it's $5, that would be exceptional compared to the realities faced by the vast majority of open source projects. Anything beyond beer money is a huge triumph.

A number of people who were involved in selecting where Drupalcon San Francisco and Chicago were hosted have approached me independently to talk about the decision making process and the way companies involved in hosting both events were renumerated. They have expressed concerns over the way decisions have been made, the way certain people have been compensated for their involvement, their relation to the board, their overall motivations for being involved in the first place, and a lot more. This has been distressing for a number of reasons, the top of which is how closely the actions of certain Association members conform to the legal definitions of inurement and self-dealing. If you are on the board of a non-profit organization and choose to spend money with a separate organization where you have a financial stake, that is not allowed except under versy specific circumstances. If this kind of self-dealing has been going on, the community deserves to know about it and receive a clear explanation for why it is occurring from the board member(s) involved.

The other reason it is distressing is the number of people who have spoken to me trying to position themselves as having done no wrong. I know the language of the motion that was held that selected San Francisco and Chicago as venues for Drupalcon and it was a pretty absurd way to decide how the community's resources would be used. I also know the justifications some people have offered for why that decision was made, and would love it if someone could explain a) why official business of the Drupal association was being conducted this way and b) the justification for compacting decisions of import in this manner. I believe events at the board level prior to the selection of vendors for Drupalcon Chicago play strongly into the motivations of people involved in subsequent decisions.

There's no way I know all the facts about this situation but I am tired of being in the middle and believe it is time for an airing. An independent audit of the process for selecting venues and compensation for venors would be in the community's interest. Failing that, I would love it if Association members would simply release the minutes of their meetings and copies of their correspondence related to selecting San Francisco and Chicago as venues for Drupalcon. Everything else in the Drupal community is very transparent and I do not understand why so much correspondence has to be kept secret in the first place. I am in possession of private correspondence between members that does shed some light on the motivations of specific actors in the decision making process, which really changed the way I think about this issue and the people involved. Others should have that opportunity, and it should happen in a way where the association can explain itself instead of letting it leak out selectively over time.

But it would be really fucked up if no one did anything about this. I hear all this talk about bartering and fair treatment and getting paid $20 an hour and how that is such a bad deal, and that seems to be a huge whitewash over the basic idea that the people running a non-profit are paying themselves for services rendered. Kill the messenger all you want, but this is the kind of stuff you are not supposed to do. There's a real possibility the actions of a few board members could lead to long term problems for the community, or at least legal fees and penalties that would invalidate the investment Trellon and many others have put into the community.

Timing and Growth

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When I first starting reading the thread, one of the "issues" I thought I read was the fact that San Francisco and Chicago were picked more/less simultaneously unlike previous DrupalCons.

Having done meeting planning for association meetings I know that as a meeting grows the lead time on the decision when and where to have annual meetings lengthens. As a meeting pushes through 500, then 1,000, then more room nights and ever increasing space requirements, the list of possible venues gets smaller.

Frankly I am somewhat surprised that the locations of the next several DrupalCons isn't already on the table and/or decided. This is getting to be a big event and many of the "traditional" ways things have been done obviously have to be adapted to accomodate that growth.

It's actually pretty amazing the past two DrupalCon's I've attended have had so few issues given how much each has grown over the previous one.

As the meeting continues to grow, how decisions get made are likely to need to continue to evolve to keep up with that growth.

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[Edit: This has been crossposted on the Association site per Jacob's request, and Jacob plans to respond there.]

The good thing about open conversation and open conflict is that we can learn from it.

In this case, there is very little that we can do about past issues. Having read carefully through most of this page, I don't see any traction for an accusation of illegal or unethical behavior.

However, there's plenty of opportunity to learn as an organization and improve our approach to the future. I see that the DA has already spent considerable energy on this, but there's more to do.

Could we start with these requests of Alex and of the DA?

Alex, thank you for the fact that you've already toned down your rhetoric. In addition,

  • Please commit to working with our community to build sound policy and procedures that avoid unethical conflicts of interest.
  • Please withdraw your accusations and your website so that we can all focus our efforts on future appropriate policies. The likelihood that anything good can come out of the vendetta approach is very small.

DA and DCI, please:

  • Completely clarify an industry-standard policy on conflicts of interest regarding DA money.
  • Commit to a standard annual audit. An organization of this size must have one.
  • Implement and publicize a reporting and conflict resolution process for issues of this type. One of the key issues in this whole dispute seems to be that Alex did not in general get appropriate, professional responses to his reasonable concerns.

How about it? Can we acknowledge a learning opportunity and change our focus to the future?

Randy- first, thank you for

Alex UA's picture

Randy- first, thank you for your post, but there is no need to thank me for toning down my rhetoric, the tone of which was (I believe) a violation of the DCoC.

Please commit to working with our community to build sound policy and procedures that avoid unethical conflicts of interest.

I agree to this.

Please withdraw your accusations and your website so that we can all focus our efforts on future appropriate policies. The likelihood that anything good can come out of the vendetta approach is very small.

I agree that nothing good can come out of a vendetta approach, but I don't believe that the audit site is a vendetta, and nor do I believe that my accusations are a vendetta. In order to show a good faith attempt at moving this forward I will put the site into maintenance mode for now (and hopefully will soon delete forever), but unless the standard policy is applied to past behaviors it is hard for me to see how the "new" DA/DCI will actually act responsibly. I mean, maybe the controversy itself is enough to ensure these conflicts don't happen again, but I don't think that it is.

I disagree with this:

In this case, there is very little that we can do about past issues. Having read carefully through most of this page, I don't see any traction for an accusation of illegal or unethical behavior.

Accountability is about past actions, and I still do believe that this was wrong on many levels. If a review/audit of the materials shows that the rules of the current COI were followed, and that there was no self dealing/inurement/private benefit, then I will surely drop my charges, but I still believe that we must account for what happened in a fair, open, and accountable way.

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

I will say, I don't

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I will say, I don't understand why any company puts on a Drupalcon. The cost of doing so is dramatically higher than the apparent reward, but maybe I don't understand business well enough. I know that there is value in branding and running a Drupalcon demonstrates a certain dominance in a particular space at a particular time, but that dominance is fleeting.

I've only known one group of people who've put on a Drupalcon who ever actually want to do it again.

Well, ok. I don't know if Palantir wants to do it again. I haven't asked since Chicago actually happened. But given everything that goes into a Drupalcon, and what comes out of it, I don't really know why anyone would want to do it. I'm curious to see how the Denver crew comes through the experience.

I agree

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After working at a company that put on a DrupalCon and being part of the local committee (co-chair of programming with heyrocker) I think this is a very valid point. Putting on a DrupalCon has a negative financial, stress, and general well being effect. Denver will be interesting because one company isn't shouldering the brunt of the burden (and putting on a DrupalCon is a bunden!).

We need to be careful not to raise the barrier to entry into putting this on too much.

Thank you for a very positive step

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Thank you very much, Alex, for a very positive step forward (putting the audit site in maintenance mode).

I agree that we can go forward with success only if we understand the past well. However, we probably need to understand the past so we can learn from it rather than to flog those involved. Already the posts in this thread have illuminated the decision-making process far beyond what was exposed before, so that's a win.

I would support a formal report on past Drupalcon decisionmaking if we can figure out how to do it in a sustainable way. I suspect, though, that a few more posts in this thread from insiders will mean that we have enough information already.

All for it

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However, we probably need to understand the past so we can learn from it rather than to flog those involved.

I'm not in this to flog anyone- if we can have an open and honest accounting of what took place, then that might be enough to ensure future accountability. The COI that is up on the site doesn't specify what actions would be taken if someone was seen to be acting in violation of the COI policy, so there's no reason to believe that the only punishment would be 'flogging'.

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

Reframing one aspect of the discussion

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Of all the issues brought up in these discussions, I think the relationship between the DCI and Drupal VZW was the least clear and really needed some light shed on it. I agree with many commenters (and Alex himself at this point) that the way it was brought up was regrettable... but it also seems that despite the desire of many people within the DA, the DA and/or DCI will only continue becoming more transparent if the community continues to demand it.

Jacob's Increasing our transparency: DrupalCon actually made the relationship between DCI and Drupal VZW less clear to me.

This non-profit [DCI] is not controlled nor managed by Drupal VZW

While that may be technically true, if the goal of the post was really to increase transparency wouldn't it make more sense to own up to the reality of the situation and include some of the information @merlinofchaos has shared? Something like...

While DCI's board is made up of current Drupal VZW board members and I serve as the Executive Director of both organizations, we've gone to great lengths to insure that DCI remains independent of Drupal VZW. Then go on to explain the steps taken to keep DCI independent of Drupal VZW... if that's possible. If it isn't, that may be the real issue and one that would come up if both DCI and Drupal VZW were audited.

Drupal VZW has absolutely no control over DCI, but the Board of Directors of DCI always independently considers the advice and counsel of Drupal VZW

Intentional or not, that statement is misleading. How can you use a term like "absolutely" when the same people are running both groups? @merlinofchaos's description of the relationship between the two organizations is much easier to understand...

Because Jacob is the ED of Drupal vzw and Dries is president, it is pretty easy to transfer marching orders, as it were, from one to another. But for legal reasons (don't ask me to explain them, I Am Not A Lawyer) the organizations are separate.

But isn't sending "marching orders" from the DA to the DCI exactly what isn't supposed to happen?

Add @Gerhard Killesreiter's confusing comment to the mix...

If this was an attempt to get me to claim that yes, Drupal vzw controls DrupalCon, Inc, it has failed.

... and the relationship between DCI and Drupal VZW starts failing the smell test.

Ironically, this isn't even one of Alex's complaints and has nothing to do with Palantir, but it's hard to defend against those complaints and make everyone feel that the transactions Alex is questioning were all above board when the responses dance around the DCI/Drupal VZW issue.

IANAL, but if the main reason for DCI existing is to avoid paying taxes on funds that the Drupal VZW really still controls, that seems like a much bigger problem than a implementing a conflict resolution process... and one with the potential to taint everything DCI funds with DrupalCon revenue.

Opening another can of worms...

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This thread was specifically about the complaints I have wrt COI, but I am just as (if not more) confused and troubled by this information as well.

First of all, given that DCI almost certainly falls within the jurisdiction of the CA nonprofit integrity act, the fact that they have been having their staff e-mail the public as "The Drupal Association" and were listed as such on the site until recently, would seem to violate these provisions of the law (PDF):

Charitable Organizations And Commercial Fundraisers For Charitable Purposes Have Specific Obligations When Fundraising
[Government Code sections 12599.6(a)(b)(c)(d)(e)]
* Charitable organizations and commercials fundraisers cannot misrepresent the purpose of a charitable organization, or the nature or purpose of the beneficiary of a solicitation.

* Charitable organizations cannot raise funds for any charitable organization required to be registered with the Attorney Generals Registry of Charitable Trusts unless the charitable organization is so registered or, if not, agrees to register prior to the start of a solicitation.

This seems to indicate that this law has been broken, whether the DA admits that it was raising money for DCI while saying "The Drupal Association", or it admits that DCI is in fact controlled by VZW. [As an aside: complying with this law was one of the major things I was pressuring the DA to do, and despite the fact that I alerted Jacob to the fact that they were probably not in compliance prior to DrupalCon Chicago (and Dries during the con), a check the CA AG site still doesn't list either DCI or VZW.]

Also, if the problem with connecting the orgs is that one cannot control the other, than shouldn't there be some sort of controls in place to ensure that the law is being followed? (Are there? What are they?) It's hard for me to believe that DCI held its own meetings and votes (before recent events), so, as Kevin asked, just how is it independent? Also, did the DA, and esp. the general assembly, realize that the board was giving up control over DrupalCon?

I don't know what the specific rules are for keeping funds separate between a (c)3 and a foreign nonprofit are, but I know that an organization that I was involved with that had both a (c)4 (non-deductible) and a (c3) (tax deductible) organization under its controls went to great lengths to ensure that the accounting of all resources was cleanly separated and well documented (especially things like office supplies and staff time). Now, that might be because (c)4s tend to be political, and there are strict prohibitions against charities engaging in political activities, I don't really know, but it certainly seems problematic.

It also seems crazy to me that 3 members of our community (or is it 2, now that Jacob stepped down?) have control of hundreds-of-thousands of dollars of the communities money, with no oversite from anyone. I think you're right, Kevin, maybe the real topic should be reforming DrupalCon, Inc...

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

Filing with the State of California

Alex UA's picture

I just wanted to update this to reflect that the Drupal Association is now listed on the California Nonprofit Registry Search, but still hasn't registered with the state.

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

OMG we slashdotted the server

jcnventura's picture

Both of the URLs above are returning: Server Error in '/MyLicenseVerification' Application. Object reference not set to an instance of an object. "

It seems we DDoS'ed the California Registry of Charitable Trusts Registration website...

João

LOL

Alex UA's picture

Someone should call them and see if they're interested in learning about how a certain Open Source CMS could help improve their website and their IT dept's lives.

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

No direct links

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It looks like you just can't link directly to the reports (security!). To get to it visit http://ag.ca.gov/charities/faq.php then click on "Registry Search" then type "Drupal" in the name field.

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

Thank you

jredding's picture

Thank you for your persistence on this topic. We have filed with the State of California to reflect the fact that we ran DrupalCon San Francisco in 2010. I do not know the current status but, as you have pointed out, it is not reflected on their website. I will check to see what the latest news on that front is.

-Jacob

-Jacob Redding

Don't forget

Alex UA's picture

You've also been using California as your main business address for contracts and payments. Also, in the past 2+ years I know I received more than one call from a California-based DrupalCon, Inc. employee or representative asking me for sponsor $. I don't know if that's considered "fundraising" in a technical sense, but better safe than sorry, no? Also, you should prob. mention that the board met in SF (is the retreat your annual board meeting?) in 2010 as well.

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

Types of 501(c)3 organizations

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IANAL, but I think I found why DCI is having issues actually passing through it's money to a foreign nonprofit- I think it's the incorrect type of (c)3 for such activities.

DCI is a covered under the 509(a)2 exemption to Foundation status (which is good, because if it wasn't, the self dealing would be really illegal). This woudl make sense if it was mainly US based, since it covers:

7.26.4.1 (04-01-1999)
Overview

The IRC 509(a)(2) exclusion is generally available for organizations that receive few gifts or grants, but which normally receive their support from fees for services such as admissions or sales of material supporting their exempt function.

Example:

a museum, zoo, or part which charges an admission fee, or an organization which charges a fee for its educational services or materials.

However, it looks like the DA really should have created DCI under the 509(a)3 Supporting Organizations section of the 501(c)3 laws:

Section 509(a)(3) Supporting Organizations

Supporting organizations are charities that carry out their exempt purposes by supporting other exempt organizations, usually other public charities. The classification is important because it is one means by which a charity can avoid classification as a private foundation, a status that is subject to a much more restrictive regulatory regime. The key feature of a supporting organization is a strong relationship with an organization it supports. The strong relationship enables the supported organization to oversee the operations of the supporting organization. Therefore, the supporting organization is classified as a public charity, even though it may be funded by a small number of persons in a manner similar to a private foundation.

Examples: University endowment funds and organizations that provide essential services for hospital systems.

Like all charitable organizations, a supporting organization must be organized and operated exclusively for purposes described in section 501(c)(3). A supporting organization must also be organized and operated exclusively to support specified supported organizations. Moreover, a supporting organization must have one of three relationships with the supported organizations, all of which are intended to ensure that the supporting organization is responsive to the needs or demands of the supported organization and intimately involved in its operations and that the public charity is motivated to be attentive to the operations of the supporting organization. Type I supporting organizations are operated, supervised, or controlled by the supported organization. Type II supporting organizations are supervised or controlled in connection with the supported organization. Type III supporting organizations are operated in connection with the supported organization. Because Type III relationships are less formal than a Type I or Type II relationship, Type III organizations must meet a responsiveness test and an integral part test. These tests are designed to ensure that the supporting organization is responsive to needs of a public charity and that the public charity oversees the operations of the supporting organization. Finally, the supporting organization must not be controlled directly or indirectly by disqualified persons.

If you click through that link you'll find the problem that probably led to using the 509(a)2 exemption and not 509(a)3, since it seems like (again IANAL) none of the board members of the DA or anyone in their families could be on the board of DCI.

Here's an interesting article looking at the IRS rulings around tax exemptions and US/foreign charities. Overall it doesn't seem like the same level of controls must be in place as would be needed to separate a (c)3 from a (c)4, and it looks like it would be fine for DCI to pay for materials and staff of VZW.

Whether or not it is legal to represent that you are raising money for one charity, when it is really for another, is another story, and seems a lot more problematic (for example, as I pointed out above, it seems obviously illegal in the State of CA).

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

Alex - IMO, you are getting

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Alex -

IMO, you are getting lost in the detail and starting to look like a conspiracy theorist hunting for the second gunman. Or woman, who really knows who was on the grassy knoll? (That was gentle mocking, not disrespect.)

I guarantee you - if you do not trust the association (and you don't, Alex, that's clear) - you will find more and more peculiar things as you look thru IRS statutes no one understands (I have an accounting degree) and IRS court rulings.

Ever ride in a cab with a driver you do not know or fly on an airplane without interviewing the pilot? In the end, there is always an element of trust we place in people in the custodianship of all of our human structures.

This community has allowed you to speak. Even you have agreed your approach was not ideal but others seem to agree that it's time to make improvements in openness with the association. The association has kicked that off with a meeting. Help guide this in a positive direction now with an eye towards the future, not the past, and rebuild trust in this community that you love. And that love is well-placed, look at how everyone supports one another. Remarkable.

Conspiracy Theorist?

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Amy-

Could you elaborate about just what I am asking or speculating on that makes me a "conspiracy theorist"? I am both a member and a business member of the Drupal Association, and I have written a couple of checks to DCI, a 501(c)3 tax exempt organization. In addition I have dedicated the last 4 years or so to contributing to and growing my little part of the drupal community. I feel it's perfectly within my rights to ask these questions, and the biggest issue here is that the DA/DCI have only now started to announce the ways in which they operate. As they release more documents, and fall more in line with the "open" standards (as well as legal standards) that we (or at least I) expect from our Open Source organizations, I'm sure much less of this will seem like a conspiracy to you or anyone else. For now though, the air needs to be truly cleared, and the operations of these two public resources need to become... public.

If you have a specific complaint about the tone in which I am asking/raising these questions, then by all means, let me know. But I feel I am respectfully asking for information that I am entitled to, and squelching this sort of debate with insults (yes, saying I sound like a conspiracy theorist is an insult to me) is not going to help anyone.

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

Crossposted on Association site

rfay's picture

This has been crossposted on the Association site per Jacob's request, and Jacob plans to respond there.

Town Hall Meeting

jredding's picture

Alex: I would like to request that you post this information at the top of this thread by editing your post.


This thread has brought out a lot of great discussion and debate. I want to thank everyone for handling this matter with tact and for the respect that you have shown each other. Thank you.

There are a number of questions here for the Drupal Association and also for myself. To address these questions and to open a direct channel to the Association I am hosting the Association's 3rd Town Hall Meeting. This Friday July 22nd, 2011 at 11am PDT.
You can read more here: http://association.drupal.org/node/1174.

I am making myself available to discuss any and all of these topics with the community and I will do my best to bring in all relevant parties.

I want to make it very clear that although the Drupal Association, like many new non-profits, has many steps to take to become a fully transparent organization there is nothing the organization is shying away from. Nothing.

In order to host a more efficient and organized meeting I am requesting that questions be submitted beforehand. Of course I will also take questions the day of.

Please submit your questions here:
http://association.drupal.org/node/1194

These Town Hall Meetings are designed to provide an open and clear channel for all members of our community to ask direct questions and to learn more about the organization that is here to provide support for the Drupal Project.

-Jacob Redding

-Jacob Redding

Done.

Alex UA's picture

Posted at the top.

Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg
ZivTech: Illuminating Technology

I think this is a great step,

beeradb's picture

I think this is a great step, thanks for doing this. Will the meeting be recorded at all? I'd take part if I could, but currently I'm in Asia, which makes that particular time slot difficult.

You can see previous townhall

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You can see previous townhall meeting announcements on the townhall term: http://association.drupal.org/taxonomy/term/299

There's at least an irc transcript at http://association.drupal.org/meetings/inaugural-town-hall

I assume someone at this one will also post an irc transcript if not video/audio.

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