Posted by fathershawn on July 12, 2018 at 2:36pm
Joe and I presented the proposal of a 7 person drafting group to create DrupalNYC Inc. to last night's meetup. DrupalNYC Inc. would be an New York nonprofit corporation to support the activity of the New York Drupal community. Once formed, the nonprofit would apply for tax exemption and open a bank account.
The full proposal is attached. We are asking the community for feedback between now and August 1. Please either give the proposal a +1 or offer suggestions for improvement. Questions are also very welcome!
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Questions and comments
Thank you to the drafting group for taking the lead on this initiative and for all of their work to date!
While I only moved to the area a few months ago, I'm excited for this evolution of the local community and eager to get involved. I have lots of thoughts and questions. Hopefully some of them will be constructive. I'm numbering them for ease of reference.
I think forming a nonprofit makes a lot of sense.
At Wednesday's Meetup, there was discussion of having a deadline ~30 days in the future to decide something. Was it simply to decide whether to proceed with the creation of a nonprofit or was it to decide whether to adopt the entire proposal? I'm in favor of having such a deadline for deciding whether to proceed with the planning. Based on the current level of detail in the proposal, I would encourage more planning before any legal actions are taken (e.g. incorporation) because, as with software development, it's much easier to change the plan before rather than after action is taken.
Is there any particular rush (e.g. financial or logistical reason) to incorporate ASAP versus investing some time in setting up the organization for long-term success?
The name "DrupalNYC Inc." makes sense to me, but I wonder whether it is useful, necessary, or wise to include the Drupal trademark in the corporation's name. I realize that the organization would be eligible for an automatic license to use the trademark, but the trademark policy has a somewhat scary stipulation:
I suggest that we consider not including the Drupal trademark in the corporation's name to eliminate the possibility of having to change the corporation's name in the future (a task which I suspect would be challenging). Rather, "Drupal NYC" could be registered as a DBA (assumed name), which would be much less difficult and costly to change if necessary. Perhaps "DNYC Inc." or "DropNYC Inc." could be used instead. The organization could still be promoted as "DrupalNYC".
Is the registrant of drupal.nyc (which appears to be "Fastport Passport"?) willing to transfer the domain to DNYC? The Drupal trademark policy requires that the license grant procedure be used for any TLD (i.e. drupal.nyc). Presumably a new license grant will be necessary for DNYC's continued use of the TLD.
The description of DNYC's purview proposes that DNYC organize the monthly meetups (and possibly other events) "contingent on our ability to maintain the revenue-neutral approach". To me, this implies that DNYC would plan to not organize the meetups under some circumstances. I would think that the meetups would be a core requirement for DNYC to foster/maintain the Drupal community in NYC. I also wonder whether fostering community should be an explicit purpose of DNYC.
Is the membership proposed membership in the corporate legal sense? For comparison, per its bylaws, the Drupal Association (legally speaking) has no members.
What led to the proposal of a five person board plus up to two additional appointees? What other models were considered? Are "member"-based democratic elections the best model for this type of organization? For comparison, the Drupal Association's board consists of 11-15 Directors, of which only two are elected by "members" (the rest are elected by the Directors).
What address would DNYC use (e.g. in filings, for receiving mail, etc.)? What costs will there be to maintain/change this address?
Has anyone taken a stab at defining expected ongoing (annual) costs for DNYC? For example: accounting, legal, compliance, state and federal filings, registered agent, mailing address, insurance, bank fees, payment processing fees, domain name registration, web hosting, Meetup.com fees, mailing list management, etc.
Should DNYC seek corporate sponsorships to help cover such costs?
These strike me as useful things to figure out prior to jumping into incorporation.
Yours,
JD
JD Leonard
reply to JD's well thought out feedback
Thanks JD! Replies:
We agree. We've been contemplating this for years so we don't go into this lightly. Some of us have been volunteering in the Drupal NYC community for well over a decade. The underlying challenge we have to resolve is continuity since the current approach has been individual volunteers (yours truly in the case of the unconference) 'running the show' and that is not sustainable
re: timeline, again, this has been long in the making, quite a few meetings have gone into this. We simply want community ratification. We'll not barrel into the paperwork, etc. This will be a well-considered process, especially the crafting (and community review) of the bylaws we will work on.
Great feedback - We're going to ask Dries if he'll allow it since he is the trademark holder. If not, we'll come up with a new name - we don't want to get stuck on this tactical step but you bring up an important consideration that we will put on our critical path
We will ask. We control the drupalcamp.nyc domain so that rolls up to this. Currently I hold that domain but I'll pass that to the 501(c)3 when the time comes. Hopefully the domain owner of drupal.nyc will do same
I'll answer the revenue-neutral approach, since I'm responsible for that stipulation. Many years ago - and even today in other camps around the world - volunteers would commit to events without having the funding. This created a major risk of 'bankruptcy' or, worse still as in recent history, the Drupal Association was left holding the bag. Our approach has been simple: We collect funds for the subsequent years' event(s). This way, by working off an annual budget, we already have budget for the current year's event(s) and we roughly add 10% to our account each year to allow for inflation, etc. This has worked great. This has applied only to the DrupalcampNYC event. Future events, if any, that fell under the rubric of this 501(c)3 would need to fall in the same paradigm lest the entity be bankrupted, which is a non-starter for me.
With respect to the monthly meetup, our costs are currently nominal and limited to the annual cost of meetup.com, which has been on my credit card for a few years. I haven't yet been reimbursed, but I will be and am not worried about it. Its a few hundred bucks a year. For now, NBCU has been giving us the space and food/drinks for free. We don't know if that will continue on, so you're right in thinking we'll need to think forward on how to preserve that meetup with appropriate funding. Not answered yet, but on our minds for certain.
Father Shawn can explain the importance of this in the context of a 501(c)3 entity better than me.
Father Shawn will have a good explanation here, but for our sake, we wanted to keep it small since our purview is tight. In past, its been just a few of us organizing the annual drupalcampnyc and there just a few of us organizing the monthly meetup. 3 seemed to few, 5 seemed just right. Open for discussion, but we'd like to keep things as simple as possible (we've got jobs, lives, etc)
Great question, unknown presently, should be put on our critical path
re: budget, we have maintained a budget for over a decade now as pertains to the Drupalcampnyc event. This is something I've managed back and forth with Elise over the Drupal Association and open for inspection. As for the 501(c)3, the proposal we wrote is available for inspection, it includes the startup costs (one-time costs), although you are right that we need to enhance our annual GL to include maintenance costs for the 501(c)3. I'll make sure thats on the critical path of our work.
Finally, WELCOME to the community - if you would like to join in this effort, we could use the help! Our operating principal is to keep things simple and get things done with minimal work as possible. I personally have a massive amount of things going on in my life but i'm passionate about this initiative. However, after a decade+ admittedly I'm burning out and need re-enforcements to take over the camp, and I can tell you that the monthly meetup always needs hands on deck to avoid burnout.
Thank you for your feedback
Joe Bachana
First Employee at DPCI
1560 Broadway
NY, NY 10036
212.575.5609
www.dpci.com
Thanks!
This all makes sense to me. I would love to join the effort. Please let me know how best to do that.
JD Leonard
joining the effort
Thanks for the feedback JD! For starters to help with DrupalNYC organizing, join our slack at http://drupalnyc.slack.com - I've sent you an invite - the channel you'll want to join is currently #drupalcampnyc-discuss although as we get closer to formalizing the 501(c)3 we'll either rename that or create a new one. Looking forward to meeting!
Joe Bachana
First Employee at DPCI
1560 Broadway
NY, NY 10036
212.575.5609
www.dpci.com
Great work!
Great work!
question
Will this also help with securing a location for the camp?
Yes, because contracts and insurance
We need to be able to contract and secure single event insurance without any of us being liable as individuals.
Drupaling in NYC since 2009!
indemnification
In addition to Shawn's comment, the NFP will allow the entity itself to 'sign' agreements for rental space vs any individual, which is risky. Additionally, no individual should collect and maintain funds in their bank account since it is seen by IRS as income. That has been the great thing about us maintaining our funds with the DA all these years. Donations go directly into that account (no pass-through collection by any of us) and reimbursements - approved by me as the financial controller up until this point - are issued by the DA as well.
What we don't want to lose in this process is oversight - we will assuredly have a trusted treasurer ensuring that our budget is adhered to and that reimbursements are valid expenses against approved activities.
Joe Bachana
First Employee at DPCI
1560 Broadway
NY, NY 10036
212.575.5609
www.dpci.com
camp venue
Hi George,
Yes once we implement the not-for-profit (NFP) we'll be able to enjoy the discounted and tax-free rental of space. We need to tackle this first.
Joe Bachana
First Employee at DPCI
1560 Broadway
NY, NY 10036
212.575.5609
www.dpci.com
Thank you for thoughtful feedback and questions
Very thoughtful and considered. I'll do my best to respond to your questions as the lead author on the proposal document and trust the rest of the team to fill in anything I miss.
The proposal is a high level overview and not meant to encompass all the implementation details. The proposed decision time line, which was refined into until the next meetup in discussion at the meetup is for "Go/No go." Our thinking is that it will take considerable volunteer hours for each step of the process and we want general agreement before we ask the drafting group to invest the time. We will take as much time to get it right as we need. The urgency that drives us forward is mostly to be able to return to working on a camp. We need a legal entity to contract with venues.
Thank you for calling attention to the trademark license. I'll be interested to hear what others have to say. As with software, I would only add complexity if it adds significant benefit. NY nonprofit corporations are required to do business under their own name, or file to use an "assumed name". The forms and cost for actually changing the name are similar in scope and cost. Since it seems unlikely that Dries will actually pull the right to use the trademark in the promotion of Drupal, I'd take the simpler route and deal with it if the improbable becomes actual.
I'm not aware of the details to the arrangement credited on the drupal.nyc site that allows the use of the domain but I'll try to find out who arranged it. Thanks for putting that on the list of tasks! If the domain holder won't transfer it we can always find an alternate.
I think the meetups are currently an excellent expression of "sharing knowledge about Drupal" which we propose as one of the core purposes. The purposes need to be general enough to allow evolution but specific enough to provide direction. I don't think we would enshrine any specific activity in the Articles of Incorporation filed with the state. We will be free to adopt and amend bylaws within the scope of whatever bylaws we develop. If any activity somehow became prohibitively expensive vs resources available, we need to be able to stop conducting that activity.
Short answer, yes. The DA board, in the majority, is a self-perpetuating board. We feel that it is in keeping with the community spirit of DrupalNYC for the community to select its leadership. The consequence is that we need a clear demarcation of who is eligible to vote, which leads to a membership corporation, which may be further qualified in bylaws. It may be prudent to grant voting rights to persons who have been members for a certain minimum period.
We thought a lot about alternatives, actually :)
Nonprofit corporations are required to provide an address available during working hours. I would be surprised if there is an expense as I expect that one of the employers of members of the board would agree to the use of their address.
Not in detail. That's part of the work referenced in my answer #2 above. We would definitely see contributions or cover the costs from membership fees if they are minimal. Our current operations, including DrupalCampNYC are less than $10,000 per year.
Drupaling in NYC since 2009!
Thanks!
This all makes sense to me.
JD Leonard
501(c)(3) Status and Funding
Let me know if I can connect your group with a non-profit that may be able to assist with forming the non-profit. In the meantime, I can also assist in trying to find an existing 501(c)(3) to act as a fiscal conduit.
In order to be tax exempt the non-profit must choose an IRS authorized 501(c)(3) exempt purpose such as charitable, educational, or scientific. Educational non-profits for which this certainly most qualifies requires sign-off from the New York State Education Department which can take weeks to months. The organization's charitable purpose should be voted on by the body at some point. Also New York State non-profits must register and engage in compliance with the New York State Attorney General's Charities Bureau.
I believe the budget for formation costs and on going maintenance costs is a little low and should be adjusted upwards.
I would recommend creating a non-profit with "no members." This way the non-profit will not need to deal with tracking down and dragging "members" in for annual meetings in order to do the boring work of the corporation. I know non-profits that have to throw a dinner annually to attract enough people each year to vote. You can still have "members" who pay dues and can become directors for a democratic process. But it makes getting things done a lot easier.
I for one would be willing to provide funding of $5,000 a year from discretionary grant funding from my City Council office to support local organizations this. Only caution is that grant funding requires professionally audited financials and involves a fairly bureaucratic reimbursement process. We worked with Progressive Technology Project and Donald Lobo along with the CiviCRM core team using discretionary funds from my office to cover core improvements for some time until folks found the process to be too burdensome.
All in all I am in favor and happy to be supportive.
Gratitude and updates on educational nonprofits
Ben, we are so grateful for your support!! I know the rest of the drafting group will also appreciate and consider your feedback and your offer of funding. Connection with a nonprofit to help us form would be awesome.
As far as approval from the Dept. of Education, the good news for this effort is that requirement was changed with the Non-Profit Revitalization Act. The most succinct summary I’ve found is on the site for the department’s general counsel:
The guidance there, as I read it, is that our only requirement is to notify them of our formation.
Drupaling in NYC since 2009!
re: funding
Thank you for your offer of assistance and funding Ben.
Let me know if it will be helpful to you for me to send our current annual budget (distilled into an XLS) for inspection. We've had a stable budget for many years now - our funds have been maintained in the Drupal Association bank account, the DA takes 10% of our annual budget each year for fiscal sponsorship but can no longer offer this service.
Let us know next steps - who to meet with on the matter of discretionary grant funding and the reimbursement/audit processes (hopefully documented). I'm sure we'll be able to comply with those requirements.
Joe Bachana
First Employee at DPCI
1560 Broadway
NY, NY 10036
212.575.5609
www.dpci.com
Ben's comment on the trouble
Ben's comment on the trouble with a "membership corporation" speaks to part of my reason for asking about it.
The DA had a voter turnout of just 1.3% for the 2017 election! Granted, the eligible voters didn't have to pay dues. I suppose the most obvious solution to me is for the bylaws (rather than the incorporation documents) to handle the concept of "members".
JD Leonard
Membership
Spot on! We will have to decide if it is legally a "membership" corporation before we incorporate not the details. As Ben notes, like the DA, we could be legally governed by the board alone and still have paid memberships.
I'm honestly surprised by the feedback about member based governance but it will be much simpler.
Drupaling in NYC since 2009!
Membership benefits
The proposal suggests that the cost of membership should be the cost of the annual DrupalCampNYC event, with members being afforded free tickets.
In my experience, free events lead to many no-shows. I would fully expect a member to buy a DrupalCampNYC ticket for $0 just in case they can make it, which I assume would have a negative impact on event planning/budgeting.
A slight tweak to address this could be to (for example) advertise a $15 discount on a $20 DrupalCampNYC ticket as a benefit of $20 membership (i.e. charge members $5 for DrupalCampNYC). The $5 difference could go towards organizational overhead or an initial budget for other events.
I'm sure there are also other possible solutions!
JD Leonard
re: Membership benefits
Really insightful feedback JD! I think at this point we don't have to lock down what membership fees will go to. Our guiding principal has been to keep the membership cost down and of great value. We initially thought that the cost would defray the registration fee for the camp, but you do bring up a good point.
The other principal I'd like to see us adhere to is keeping overhead costs significantly low, if any. This has been my main concern when filing for NFP status as a legal entity, that the organizational costs (in funds and in volunteer time) would grow. I'll be a strong advocate for keeping things simple.
None of this should hold us back from filing for 501(c)3 but I think we need to ponder this some more as we write our bylaws. Thanks again for great input!
Joe Bachana
First Employee at DPCI
1560 Broadway
NY, NY 10036
212.575.5609
www.dpci.com