Hello NYCDrupallers!
I had missed a previous meetup or two to the last one so it was good to see you all there. I think things went well, and it has been a joy watching us grow. I remember the meetup, probably a year and a half ago, where it was just me an Jacob sitting in an empty room :) This time I showed up a little late and had to sit outside.
I think we are hitting a critical mass of sorts where we need to start defining a 'meetup' vs. a 'hack-a-thon' vs. a 'lesson' so that we can best serve the needs of everyone around.
I've generally thought of the meetups as a little less structured. We get together and talk about what we've been working on that is Drupal related and answer each others questions. I think this coming meetup litwol offered to show of a site, and I can also showcase a few things and answer any questions, I would like to move to make this a little less formal though. What I mean by that is there is no real agenda. If people want to stop and talk about one single feature for the rest of the meeting time, thats fine - as long as it stays interesting we don't need to worry about getting through everything. Basically the rule of thumb I think is applicable is people shouldn't need to prepare anything to talk at a meetup. Just show up and show us what you do all day.
Hack-a-thon's are different, and I think we should have more. I unfortunately missed the last one. I'm wondering if we can't agree on a common signature for the issue queue that we can all use to represent the group better during hack-a-thons. Something like:
Patch developed at a DrupalNYC Hack-a-thon!
I don't know - I think it would be neat.
Also, I think the group has made it more than evident that there is a desire for more lessons. Maybe, I'm a little dense, or out of the loop, but I didn't get this till this last meetup. First of all, if you aren't already a member, go join http://groups.drupal.org/drupal-dojo the Drupal Dojo! All kinds of online lessons already exist, and I see no reason why we can't merge some efforts here and perhaps teach a NYC-based dojo-lesson that we screencast to other people. This is a bit of an undertaking, but one we are probably up to. Anyone interested in that should definitely step up.
Finally, I'd like to start fishing some dates for the next DrupalCampNYC - I'm leaning towards Feb/March, as that seems like a realistic planning period. I know we have a little money socked away from the last Camp but we'll need to start garnering donations. Anyone interested in volunteering to help should speak up. We have a secure location for it at Polytechnic.
That's about all. Please comment away to let me know if I'm off the mark with any of these analysises, preferred dates on DrupalCampNYC, or anything else really.
Comments
you nailed it
mister tresler i echo your sentiments completely
thanks for being psychic
DrupalCampNYC
Up. I'm interested in helping out and getting involved.
Julio
DrupalCampNYC
I'd love to help out at DrupalCamp too - let me know what I can do. Feb/March sounds good.
Thomas
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First new volunteer to get to it...
Post a poll with all the relevant -non-holiday weekends and rank our choices... Go!
Thanks!
Tresler Designs
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Vote for your preferred weekend
Poll online now at http://groups.drupal.org/node/7547
Get voting!
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DrupalCampNYC
I'd like to help out - schedule permitting.
DrupalCamp NYC Sponsor
With the opening of our Manhattan office we are now ready to take a more active role in the New York City Group. As such, we would welcome the opportunity to sponsor the DrupalCampNYC event. We can contribute Time, Energy, Speakers and $$$.
Regarding the timing of the event, February would be great for us. Please contact me so that I can coordinate the details with Gary and his team in our New York office.
Jeff Badger
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Achieve Internet
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Jeff Badger
Count me in
I'd love to help out wherever I can. February sounds good.
barcamp
does anyone have want to open up the drupalcamp4 barcamp site? I now last year this was the site that was used and it seemed to work perfectly. If there are no takers I'll start the site and someone can help maintain.
Here's the format previously used: http://barcamp.org/BarCampNYC
done
done :
http://barcamp.org/DrupalCampNYC4
I am in the area working at MetroTech for the city so if there are things that need to be done during the day down there I am available.
Robbie(TheGeek)
Looks like you beat me too it.
I was just reserving the URL when your comment popped up.
Re: DrupalDojo
I agree that there are good lessons on the DrupalDojo, but they are scattered around and hard to find/access. Also, there seems to be a little confusion when people refer to The Dojo. Are they referring to the drupal-dojo groups site, the drupaldojo.com site, or the seemingly inactive drupaldojo.org site. When I've tried to download screencasts from http://drupaldojo.com/ it takes FOREVER to download and the screencasts sometimes lack audio. Unfortunately, there is not a pod/vodcast. There really should be.
I think we could do a lot for Drupal learning by posting some new educational content of our own. Sam, I specifically want to see a screencast on how to setup a totally portable kick ass multi-site install like the one you use!
I would also like to see the NYC ninjas posting links to the best Drupal resources on the web. I know that you have troves of bookmarks hiding in your personal browser. Share them! Since the best Drupal resources are rather scattered about, it would be a huge help to have an expert drop a must have list of links into a wiki post that everyone can add to. Once we've developed a good list of links we can contribute it to the handbook.
I like the idea of the NYC Group working as a team to create code, educational materials, etc. that can be contributed back to the larger project.
Well....
So, this is a common theme that I have seen arise in the community so many times it makes my eyes bleed. If something is broken, help fix it, don't try to make your own, if at all possible.
The dojo puts a lot of work and thought into their architecture and materials. The community knows and identifies that as the place to go for learning - there and the handbook. Not the NYC group.
Again, in a similar vein as the common signature on patches idea, I'm all for as a group creating some materials that go to the drupaldojo but pretty adamantly against creating a DrupalNYC splinter educational group.
Also, I do think, as I said in the OP that we need to split out meetings/lessons/socials etc as I think the groups interests lie in different areas. Ninjas don't need training and learners don't always want to be lost in the code that the ninjas like to spout. Its all cool - but we need to start bending to demographics as we grow.
Tresler Designs
CNDP, LLC
I think we're saying the same thing, almost...
I'm just saying that we need to split up the group into teams and fix stuff. My particular interests are theming, usability, documentation, and education. Yours are clearly on the development side. I think we represent the two most distinct threads that I see running through the group. There are very few true newbies in the group, since even the people that are new to Drupal are quite technically sophisticated.
Therefore, for the discussion part of the meetup, I would rather break the group into people like me who are interested in the presentation level and people like you who are interested in the code level. The theming/education group will naturally take on many of the newbies, but there will also be newbie coders who belong in the developer group. There should also be a time to deal with general stuff like organizing the DrupalCamp, etc..
Further, if somebody wants to put time into creating a presentation on a particular topic then we should all give them our attention for at least 20 minutes. Non-coders can learn a lot from a focused presentation even if it is over their head. The presentations should be at a higher-level, since the very basic stuff is already available on the web. My group will help in honing quick start guides and handbook articles, so newbies can get up and running fast.
We are?
Not really. I'm talking about categorizing events and having more events. You're talking about splitting into teams. How is this the same?
As for helping to hone quickstart guides, and handbook articles, great! But why would we create a subgroup when those groups and mailing lists exist in the form of the documentation team.
I'm pointing out that there is a very salient difference in members of the NYC group getting together whenever they feel like to participate in another drupal group - and creating groups of our own.
One consolidates, the other splinters. One is good for the overall community and one splits it up more and creates more and more duplicates of the same exact thing.
This thread is getting crowded, so feel free to copy/paste this to the other thread I made. http://groups.drupal.org/node/7588
Tresler Designs
CNDP, LLC
http://www.drupalcampnyc.com/
http://www.drupalcampnyc.com/ ...or we could actually use a drupal site for Drupal Camp. It's still a bit buggy, but I'm working out the kinks, and getting it set up the way I want it to be. Let me tell you though, that install profile is such a pain.
Mike
I agree that we should be using Drupal if possible
I'm for doing DrupalCamp on a Drupal site, but we'll need volunteers to put it together. Also, this would give us something to work on as a team, a focal point. I've been thinking that the ultimate project for the group would be to have our own Drupal site, which we all work on until it is the coolest Drupal site ever;) Building out the DrupalCamp site would be a good start. The advantage of the BarCamp PBWiki is that it is easy to use and requires 0 effort to setup.
Works for me
I'm more than happy to have some extra hands working on this site. Anyone who's interested in helping out, drop me a PM, sign up on the site, and I'll make you an admin so we can work on this together.
Perhaps we can even do some work on the site during the next meetup (if we're not done already before hand).
Mike
url?
what's the url?
THough, I'm all for using the barcamp site if it's less work for everyone.
Graphic ID for DrupalCampNYC 2008
Here is a possible design for the Graphic ID (shown as my avatar}.
I think it would work as a graphic for the site as well. If anyone else agrees, let me know and I will get a jpg over to you.
The design could be easily modified to work as a horizontal too.
Charles
Nice!
Great design!
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I love it! I think that
I love it! I think that would look hot as a tee shirt too.
Great!
Happy to be of some help.
I will do a couple of configurations (vertical, horizontal, etc) and post them someplace where they can be downloaded easily or email them to whomever you like.
Also willing to help coordinate T-shirt printing, (if needed) although I don't have connections with any silkscreen shops.
Charles
Works for me
I really like that! Anyone from New York would instantly recognize!
cool!
well done.
Simple and clearly nyc (but, could you put the N and C in the colors that are associated with those subway lines? n=orange C=blue)
colors
/* but, could you put the N and C in the colors that are associated with those subway lines? n=orange C=blue */
I could make the N orange but making the C blue would make the Drupal icon stand out less.
May I take artistic license with regard to this?
Charles
you're the artist, not me.
I'm just making friendly suggestions. to me, just a C in a colored circle, does not say "nyc", but a C in the correct blue does.
maybe you could commit a sacrilegious act and make the drupalicon some other color and not the standard blue?
you can also feel free to ignore my suggestions without fear of insulting me. I'm only offering suggestions because I like your idea.
long term concerns
In the interest of keeping the stress to a minimum for folks in the long term, I think it is a bad idea for drupalcamp to not use pre-existing infrastructure for the site.
there have been no complaints about using barcamp in the past, although I think it would be interesting to try to use this site (groups.drupal.org),
I am totally against using a new site and url that are not controlled and owned by a larger community.
The potential issues, conflict and debate that will come from using a domain one person owns and controls are reason enough to avoid it (I hope no one takes offense, this is not a statement about any individual but a statement about a method of organizing and keeping things focused on the drupal community and the drupalcamp event)
I agree
For several reasons. First off, many of us do drupal all day, for money. We like hanging out with people we can talk about this stuff with, but more work, quite frankly, would make me flee in terror. And building sites, no matter how cool, is pretty much work.
That and I stress again... groups.drupal.org is our home. We shouldn't be building a new home, as it de facto separates us from the drupal community, when we should be looking to form more ties to the community.
Also, as said no matter how laid back we are there will always arise a scenario when one person wants X on the site and someone else wants Y and invariably the site-owner trumps.
Tresler Designs
CNDP, LLC
thank you
the potential power conflicts are a huge issue as you point out.
Also the longevity of the data. I have confidence that groups.drupal or barcamp will continue to exist for quite some time. I can't say the same thing about a site owned and controlled by one person.
I'd rather see the domain registration fees for that site donated to the drupal association instead of going to maintain a site that really is not needed by the community. The time necessary to handle building the site and maintaining it would also be better spent on more practical organizing issues.
barcamp or this site
I think we should either continue to use the barcamp site or experiment with a way of using the groups.drupal site
I'm very much against a separate site as I have a lot of concerns abouT the potential problems that could arise from such a situation.
why not try to use a group?
http://groups.drupal.org/nyc-drupalcamp-4 (currently awaiting moderator approval)
we can have a taxonomy that defines workshop proposals, information, etc
we could upload notes for each workshop after
it all stays here in the community
anyone think this is a good way to go?
We have a group...?
Its right here, you're posting on it... I'm confused why we need another.
Tresler Designs
CNDP, LLC
uh... it was early
and I had not had my coffee yet.
of course we should use this group.
we can add some a vocabulary and some terms so we can sort the drupalcamp content separately from the rest.
i'll delete the other group.
why not try to use a group?
internet connection wonky... double posted comment as a result someone with the power, please delete this one. thanks
Easy + 0 Stress = Good :)
I do think that it would be a lot of work to put together a Drupal site just for DrupalCamp. Probably more than we realize. As I've learned, most Drupal Ninjas are totally tapped out and do not have the bandwidth to build additional sites, especially on a deadline.
Further, we need to start utilizing the NYC site more. I know that it is somewhat limited in terms of functionality at the moment, but the answer to this is to participate in the development of Drupal Groups. I hear that the Groups team is planning on implementing Panels at some point. Maybe we can help that along. Ahem... Sony Guys... Ahem...
We have a wiki and we can create a taxonomy to organize stuff. We certainly have most of the functionality of the BarCamp PBwiki, so why not do it here? I don't think we should create a separate groups site just for DrupalCamp. The NYC site is under utilized as it is and people's attention is already frayed in 1000 directions. Let's really use this site for something!
I still think it would be cool to have an experimental Drupal installation that we all work on together, but we should organize DrupalCamp from this site. As always, I'm open to suggestions.
Agreed
I agree with this. It's much easier for me to keep track of what's going on with everything staying in the same place.
I don't think we need all that much info anyway:
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I think you're missing the point
I think that you're really missing the point here. The fact of the matter is that this is just part of the process of creating a Drupal Camp, which, I will add, is VERY different from monthly meetups. There's a lot more planning and time that goes into it. There are volunteers who are willing to help to build this site, and the site will get built. That's because people are making the time for this project. It's an entirely different beast from not having time to hold someone's hand through a process that could be solved by reading the manual. There's a fine but definitive line drawn between consulting, and doing something philanthropic.
Should we have a page on barcamp? At first I said no, but I was recently convinced otherwise. (Thank you Suzi.)
Should we have a stand alone page where we actually can have finite control over it? Emphatically yes. There's only so much we can do through the groups page, and it's not enough to run a Drupal Camp.
Should we use our groups page? Yes, but not for this. This is our own little chat space. The groups should be where we call for volunteers to work Drupal Camp. This shouldn't be the page that people are referred to. Here, in the groups page, is where the behind the scenes stuff happens. The front that we want put up should be nice and polished. When you buy a car the first thing you look at is the exterior, not under the hood.
Mike
Seperate Site
I'm going to agree that a separate environment for registration and event information is needed.
Groups.Drupal.org is for people who are currently active with our NYC group. Drupal Camp extends beyond our own group. I know last year I was in Philadelphia and I came to the Drupal Camp NYC because it was close to me. I would not have wanted to be forced to join the NYC group if I knew I wasn't going to be living in this area.
Also, a separate site will allow guest to stay in a contained environment that deals specifically with the event. There are too many options when landing on a Groups.Drupal page.
Bar camp or drupalcampnyc.com has my vote.
I think we should use the
I think we should use the barcamp site to direct people to the stand alone site. It will act as advertisement for people who aren't necessarily hardcore into drupal.
Mike
stand alone site
IF there is to be a "stand alone" information site that is not this drupal group, I very strongly believe that it should be a drupal group specifically for the drupal camp and not a site that is not under community control
The potential problems far outweigh any benefit.
Building our own site could be a good idea
I still have reservations, but building our own site could be a good idea, if there is a committed team that can execute the project by February. It is a lot of work, but a well designed website would allow us to better share the DrupalCamp with the rest of the Drupal community. If we design the site such that others hosting DrupalCamps can use it as a platform for their events then we will be doing the community a real service. We may be able to workout the hosting with the Drupal Association. Sorry, that I was negative on the idea earlier today. I'd be happy to help on the website if this is the way we decide to go.
-update- Looks like there is already an install profile for conference organizing: http://drupal.org/project/cod
At least for now, I'm fine
At least for now, I'm fine with even sticking with the Garland theme (maybe playing with the color scheme a bit). We can do some heavier theming later, but for now its not critical. Drupal Camp Toronto used a stock theme, and that event was a smash hit.
I looked at that install profile and spent the past two weeks trying to get it running. It's really buggy. I finally got it up yesterday, and I was not exactly pleased with the results. So I tore it down and started with a scratch install. Making a basic conference site is easy, and most of the functionality will be up and running by the end of the weekend. There are a couple of bells and whistles that I'm trying to put in that are giving me a bit of a hard time, but I don't foresee them being too much of an issue for too long. I probably just need a good night's rest and I'll look at it fresh and nail it all out.
Mike
not a good idea, but let's vote
I think that many important concerns have been raised by those against the idea of a new site and few if any of those have been directly addressed by the proponents of a new site.
but, let's see what people want.
http://groups.drupal.org/node/7584
vote now!
Uhm, no
Mike,
No offense man, that's probably the worst idea I've heard. I completely agree with you that a custom site would be a good outlet. But to expect people to go from here to barcamp and then a final domain is too much to ask for.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor
Dave, there are more people
Dave, there are more people at Drupal Camp than through the NYC Group. You, yourself, came to the last one without being in the NYC Group. The idea is that having a barcamp page funnels people who are into barcamps, our groups page funnels people who are in the NYC group. I also intend to get an article on the front page of d.o In that fashion, we market the event to the broadest audience possible, while maintaining a centralized location that isn't going to make handling registration an absolute nightmare for me.
solving problems that don't exist
Unless you can point to problems in past events regarding registration, you are simply creating a strawman argument.
I must also object to your use of the term "marketing" in this context, it shows a very coroprate mindset that is not all that compatible with the concepts of "community.
You said : "I think we
You said : "I think we should use the barcamp site to direct people to the stand alone site"
Which is much different then saying : "The idea is that having a barcamp page funnels people who are into barcamps, our groups page funnels people who are in the NYC group"
Your first one implied create a DrupalNYC camp page on barcamp, not utilize it but put a link on it which directs them to a privately owned domain. I still stand by the suggestion that we not use our Drupal group as a way for people to sign up for the event. The only way I found out about the event was because my friend pointed it out me and I went directly to barcamp which did not require registration within that group to attend the event. The whole process was very convenient.
the point
I think you are missing the point that the process and infrastructure related to organizing Drupal Camp would be better kept within the community.
I appreciate your motivation in deciding for us that we should have a url of our own, but I think it's not a good idea.
It's not that I don't trust you specifically, but that I have seen far too many problems arise from situations like you are asking for.
Organizing a community event should be done carefully, there is a huge difference between organizing with people and organizing for them. I prefer the more community centric model, as I feel it is more consistent with drupal and the drupal community as a whole.
Our options
I'm so happy to see all this discussion on the NYC Site! These are all valid concerns. Here are the options with my take on each.
Option 1 - The BarCamp site gives us a Wiki page that anyone can edit. We post the relevant information. Done. It is quick, dirty, ugly (really ugly!), and somewhat functional, but the information is up.
Option 2 - The Drupal NYC website gives us most of the features of the BarCamp site plus a lot of other features that the BarCamp site does not have. Further, it keeps all of the information on one site. Sure it's not perfect, but it's better than a Barcamp wiki and the issues we run into will push the groups site to become better. Working with the Drupal Groups team to better accommodate DrupalCamps will benefit everyone.
Option 3 - We build our own site for the event with all kinds of cool features that support DrupalCamp. Doing this could give us the best most customized website for hosting DrupalCamps, but it will require a lot of work to do right. Most of us don't like extra work:) I'd like to know who is committed to doing this, how much time they think it will take, and and how much time they can commit. Also, we would need to know who owns the URL and hosting space. For example, what happens when the owner moves to China, hitches a Virgin Galactic flight to Mars, etc.?
For me it is simple. I think the Drupal NYC site is at least as functional as the Barcamp site, so option 1 should be out. I don't like extra work, so I'm hesitant about option3. I'm for using the NYC site.
...also, we would need to
A good one would follow up and stay involved, even if minimally ;)
he he.. Oh man.. heated discussion in here. I've got a lot of catching up todo. DCNYC4 is going to be crazy.
-Jacob Redding
-Jacob Redding
you don't seem interested in discussion
I find this discussion very disturbing.
It seems that you have no desire to address your critics, you seem determined to build a site in the name of this community even if this community does not want such a site.
This alone makes me think Eric is right, that the power dynamic involved if you control the site for Drupal Camp NYC will be very divisive and not healthy for the community as a whole.
Please take a step back, leave your ego at the door and particpate in the community, not in the name of the community.
Our Options
Can the necessary pages for those registering from out of town be made available to non-NYC group members (anonymous users)?
I might be able to get free hosting, but there's still the problem of User1 being some individual who may drop out of site with the password, etc. The more everything can be kept in one place, the better, in my opinion.
Jean
Jean Gazis
www.jeangazis.com
www.webhostny.com
Our Options 44 posting later
First, I vote for the way it was done previously - http://barcamp.org/BarCampNYC-
Secondly, Who's counting the votes? In posting #8 we offered time, energy, speaker...$$. But I think that offer has been lost - so who should we reach out to?
Jeff Badger
Director of Sales & Marketing
Achieve Internet
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Jeff Badger
We appreciate your offer!
Hi Jeff,
Sorry, if it seemed that you post got lost in the general discussion. I'll contact you to work this out and get your opinion about organizing the camp. Thanks again for offering to help and a warm welcome to Achieve NYC! As you can see we don't pull and punches around here:) Why do you think we should use the Barcamp pbwiki? I find it to be hideously ugly and annoying to use, but I know that lots of people swear by it.
Well
The offer hasn't been lost, tomoorw I will try to break these isues out into individual posts.
At the moment, My argument for using the pbwiki is that barcamps are known. This is the known place to sign up and participate in them. Yes, its ugly, it is also how barcamps currently work.
The proposal doesn't seem to be "Build barcamp a better wiki, but rather, 'take drupalcamp away from that existing community'.
So, we've had a few drupalcamps already... the method works. No need to reinvent the wheel or over-inflate the needs here:
1) find a date - poll is already in progress.
2) Make the post here and on the barcamp wiki
3) gather sponsers (most of the same old ones will sponser again - some people, as above, are chomping at the bit to give us money.
4) contact Polytechnic with 2-3 best dates.
5) Have DrupalCamp
Why are we bothering with a new site? DrupalCamp works fine with the existing tools.
Tresler Designs
CNDP, LLC
"No need to reinvent the
"No need to reinvent the wheel or over-inflate the needs here".
the idea of the new site was coined to raise the bar on quality of content and presentation compared to previous drupal camps and all other drupal camps around US and the world. yes we can conform to boring standards, but quite frankly i dont want to. i have offered my serivces to develop the site and right now i am looking for a designer to create cutting edge theme which i will then code. my only requirement is that this new theme must be something that has no resemblence to any traditional drupal theme and most of all not have any resemblence to garland theme (no offence to the creator, at first it was great but then it started hurting seeing it /everywhere/).
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not all that compelling
I really don't see how "raising the bar" is achieved by leaving the community.
I don't see the value in a site that is not within the community.
I don't believe that a separate site will continue to exist for long and that hardly raises the bar, but creates a memory hole.
vote now. let's end this debate, unless you really want to address the concerns raised by those against a new non-community-based site
vote at this url:
http://groups.drupal.org/node/7584
That is the greatest
That is the greatest misconception of this whole argument. you think that by creating a dedicated site for a large event is leaving the site, i think it is not so. creating a separate site that is dedicated to the drupal camp 2008 will allow us to have central location for all resources that we will collect during the event. it is clear as day that we cannot present that information here on the group page. mind you, once the site is up it will be linked to from the and back to the NYC group page, and perhaps more important is it will allow us to cross link information with the dojo group/website and even handbooks.
without separate website we have no place where we can organize all the presentations, and video recordings from the sessions that will be conducted during the drupal camp.
so now i ask you to revisit this idea with a new overview which is not about leaving the group, but rather adding more resources to our group.
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I disagree (of course)
I think that if we use this group, or the barcamp wiki there certainly are ways to organize and preserve the content related to the presentations.
In fact the long term accessibility of that data is one of my primary reasons for being against a new site.
I know that groups.drupal will exist for a long time into the future, I can't say I have any confidence about the long term existence of a site created just for this event.
I'm not sure I can see any way to look at the creation of a new site that is not part of existing community infrastructure as anything but leaving and fracturing the community.
I can't see it as anything but a drain on the resources of this community -- both labor and financial.
i agree with you on all
i agree with you on all points raised. those issues have been raised in the discussions about this site and we are trying to address them. however the only reason the idea of the site was proposed was to have a place where /post camp/ material (videso, slides, pdfs, commentary(that will be only open 1-2 weeks after the event and locked thereafter?), etc...) can be organized in easy to access manner.
however if you think that all of this information can be hosted elsewhere then i think it will be a waste of time trying to argue for the new site.
i am awaiting eagerly for your ideas on how all of the camp material can be hosted and organized on a non-dedicated camp site.
thanks.
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We need sponsors for...
We need sponsors for bagels and coffee in the morning, pizza at lunch, and tee-shirts, which it seems have already been designed. We need volunteers to build the website if we decide to go down that road. I'm neutral on the issue. It's a lot of work. Fundamentally, I just want a plan to record and post the presentations to the web in an organized fashion, so we can share the knowledge with the general community. This will require getting 5 or 6 video cameras and someone to turn the camera on at the beginning of the presentation and off at the end. I agree with Sam. No need to go overboard here.
New separate threads
About a separate site: Discussion: http://groups.drupal.org/node/7586 Poll: http://groups.drupal.org/node/7584
Sponsors - Thank You!, please wikify yourselves!: http://groups.drupal.org/node/7587
Event Taxonomy discussion: http://groups.drupal.org/node/7588
Everyone else: http://isitchristmas.com
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