Posted by litwol on September 25, 2008 at 5:45pm
HostMySite has finally sent me the contract with server specs attached, they are in this post attached bellow. Sever specs look very generous and i advise everyone to look at the document page 2 just to see what it is.
If you guys deem this contract reasonable, i will sign it and will use the hardware for various projects that will benefit not only NYC DUG but the community as a whole. I ask you guys to give me a chance to do something positive for the community. please review this document.
Update:
Thank you everyone for contributing your time to review this document. Following are the changes that are made to the v2 of the document:
- Change company name from NYC Drupal User Group to Oleg Terenchuk
- Correct my mailing address
- Change server OS to Debian Stable
- Verified that backups are stored off this machine in a secure backups pool
- Additional HTTP monitoring tool
- Additional MySQL monitoring tool
| Attachment | Size |
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| Drupal.pdf | 60.37 KB |
| Drupal v2.pdf | 60.33 KB |

Comments
To avoid a holly war. few
To avoid a holly war. few things that i am aware of and will be removed from the contract:
1) company name lists NYC DUG. will be removed.
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Aditional action points
I will accumulate reviewer's comments here:
1) Request 'Debian stable' for server OS
2) REMOVE company name 'nyc dug'
3) make sure that the backups are offsite or on different rack
4) request aditional monitoring tools: http for domain names and mysql monitoring for database
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Suggest Ubuntu instead of Debian
Hi Oleg,
Thanks for your work on this project. I would like to suggest using Ubuntu instead of Debian for the server OS. As you likely know, Ubuntu is built on Debian, and has the same great basic features as Debian, such as the APT package management system. However, my understanding is that the Ubuntu distribution is the most rapidly growing - and best funded - of the various Debian-based distributions. It also has a very strong community, probably at least as strong as straight Debian. These features will prove to be important in the future.
My two cents.
Mike Caudy
it is definitely a point to
it is definitely a point to consider. However my choice for Debian is based on converstaion with 3 people from drupal community (incuding one from NYC DUG). These three people are experienced sys admins and they all spoken in one voice in favor of Debian. the reason i am inclined to go this way is because these people are connected to the drupal community and i hope at some point they will be able to help us.
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debian vs ubuntu
For servers, I always go for the long-term stability of debian over ubuntu. Ubuntu is great as a desktop OS, but my experience is that debian is the best choice for servers.
Same
I don't think that Ubuntu has a 'server edition' and in general the *buntu's are geared towards being a laptop or desktop solution. I don't need gnome or kde on my server's in general.
Advomatic
CNDP, LLC
Ubuntu Server Edition
Actually, Ubuntu does have a server edition without a GUI:
http://www.ubuntu.com/products/WhatIsUbuntu/serveredition
The current release is an LTS release, meaning it will be supported for 5 years.
Huh,
Well OK I stand corrected. Still prefer Debian just on the KISS principle, but thanks for the info.
Advomatic
CNDP, LLC
why debian is better for servers
While Ubuntu is based on Debian, the two distros have fundamentally different philosophies.
Debian (the stable release), focuses on stability, interoperability and security before anything else. Packages with shared libraries will all work on the same distributed version of that library. If you install the right packages PHP will just work with Apache. This is less the case with Ubuntu, which focuses on new software and user experience before stability and interoperability. Once a stable version of Debian is released, all packages in the distribution are frozen, no new versions of packages are added. If you are running Debian etch, at this point, your packages are roughly 1.5 - 2 year old versions of the various packages. The only exception is for security patches made against the current version of the software. So unlike Drupal there are never new features in security releases.
Debian has a very long release curve. It can take up to 2-3 years for a new version of Debian to be released, and once a new version is released, security support is maintained until the next release (similar to way Drupal 5.x is supported until 7 comes out). This usually leads to something like 4 years of support for a single release. Ubuntu has retrofitted its model with LTS to replicate what Debian already does, but that only guarantees security support and (as far as I understand it) does not reflect the several months of code freeze stability testing that Debian enjoys.
Ubuntu, even the server versions, still installs a ton of packages that the maintainers think you need. With the Debian installer it is really easy to achieve a totally stripped down install, kernel, core-utils, and little else. At which point you pull in only what is needed for the server. As far as I know, you simply cannot install Ubuntu without, for instance, "less" (which I always install anyway). Having less software installed means that there are fewer pieces to fail, and fewer potential security holes.
Also, because we all care about Free Software, Debian has one of the highest standards of what is and isn't Free of any of the major Linux distributions. With its free and non-free classifications, you can install things like flash player, but if you are concerned with using only truly Free software, you can choose to keep you system "pure". Ubuntu does this to some degree as well, however there is the added component of "Ubuntu support", which is funded by Canonical. This is a key distinction. Debian is community centric because its not underwritten by a single corporation. Ubuntu has a great community, and has done tons of work as far as promoting free software adoption (Red Hat never shipped on Dells), but it's ultimately a private venture.
Given the fundamental differences in what you need a desktop and a server to do, Debian is just a better choice. You do not need your server to be running the latest and greatest of every piece of software, including ones that you don't really need the new features for. Most people don't care which point version of the Linux kernel, Apache 2, MySQL 5 or PHP 5 that you are running - just that they are all there and working together reliably. Debian does all of this as part of the way the distro operates, and has done so for longer than most of the F/OSS projects out there have existed. Its entire structure is built to achieve security, stability and interoperability, and that's simply not the way Canonical has structured Ubuntu. I'm not railing on Ubuntu, but Debian has really been a leader in setting gold standards with package management that achieves stability and security.
great explanation
Thanks for the detailed and clear summary! For those of us who are not server admins, it's useful to know something about how to look at these things.
Jean Gazis
www.jeangazis.com
www.webhostny.com
Jean Gazis
www.jeangazis.com
www.webhostny.com
Any reason why you want
Any reason why you want Debian over Red Hat? I'm personally ambivalent, just curious. Other than that, it sounds really good to me.
Mike
why debian
far more stable
far easier to maintain over time, superior package management
debian is community-centric, just like Drupal
Just curious: Why is this
Just curious: Why is this post sticky on the front page of d.g.o?
PINGV | Strategy • Design • Drupal Development
fixed
fixed
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Thank you everyone that
Thank you everyone that contributed. I've got the server information now. it is up and running.
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